Arrowhead Run Event update [Archive]

OrneryNC

10-12-2005, 03:17 PM

In light of some player feedback and concerns we have to decided to modify the rules of the event. Prizes have been scaled back, but instead of a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winner for each server, there will be a first place winner for each race on each server. Striders were initially allowed in the event to compensate for racial speed differences, but are now no longer usable due to the change in the winning structure.

The prize package has also been modified to the following:

1 Scroll: Enchant Weapon (Grade A)
5 Scroll: Enchant Armor (Grade A)
Consolation Prize

The overall winner on each server will also receive a pair of squeaking shoes!

Full event details are listed here http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2005/09/arrowhead_run.html

The Arrowhead run event was created to encourage creative game play as well as introduce a different type of in game event.

We look forward to your participation in this event (in one form or another), and hope to see some competitive race times.

On your mark, get set….

Ornery

Winona_

10-12-2005, 03:50 PM

Just noticed this on the event page. This dwarf thanks you. Event much better now. Mages still gimp, but an improvement for sure.

JoeInsane

10-12-2005, 04:19 PM

Honestly It should be each class, really every healer/mage has no chance. It's going to be all daggers/archers winning.

Splatter

10-12-2005, 04:35 PM

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Honestly It should be each class, really every healer/mage has no chance. It's going to be all daggers/archers winning.

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Just goes to show you, they make a change for the better of the event for everyone as a whole. And still people are not happy.

JoeInsane

10-12-2005, 04:42 PM

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Honestly It should be each class, really every healer/mage has no chance. It's going to be all daggers/archers winning.

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Just goes to show you, they make a change for the better of the event for everyone as a whole. And still people are not happy.

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Please explain to me how a mage/healer is going to win over a dagger/archer class? The event pretty much only caters to them. If they want to make the event equal to all it should be for each class.

SWS,BD,Prophet,EE,SR,etc.

kayosoni_

10-12-2005, 04:46 PM

Stupid event.

Make it per class.

Not to mention that not everyone has access to DC robe for the +7 run speed, or their own SWS's or buffers for WW.

Incredibly stupid event.

Should be per class with NO BUFFS allowed and non speed/dex modifying armors.

Oh I forgot to mention dex tattoos.

Splatter

10-12-2005, 04:52 PM

Well to make it more balanced lets try this.....

For everyone in the eastern time zone they will get a 4 hour handicap because all events start PST.

Then for the ones that only play on the weekends we will slow down the running speed for the other races/classes so the weekend players have a chance.

My point is they make a change from the input from the players and make the event alittle more balanced. And guess what people are still unhappy.

We have an up and coming event, cann't you just be happy for what we are getting and leave it at that?

kayosoni_

10-12-2005, 04:58 PM

Well tbh it doesn't really matter to me. I will just be ice bolting everyone I see.

Valeo

10-12-2005, 05:01 PM

I still think the event is unbalanced (fighter/mage disparity) but this is definitely an improvement over what the event was originally going to be.

Choch

10-12-2005, 05:07 PM

NC listening to feedback so Ornery gets a +1.

However, as a result of his failure to post his vision like Rust did (which Ornery said he would do during a HoC) he gets a -2.

^_^

Tokara

10-12-2005, 05:30 PM

I wanna see a WC or an OL beat a tyrant..... yeah right. If they made it each class then the rewards would be stupidly low. I think the game shoudl keep track of your run speed through the entire run, average it and award modifiers basied on how low ur run speed was

Ellisande

10-12-2005, 05:31 PM

Well a huge kudos on taking a relook at the event over player concern.

However, many of us weren't complalining because of a race problem, but were complaining because of a class difference in run speeds. Yes some races have different classes but will have all have a similar run speed for the race, but for everything but a dwarf, this is not so.

Yes dwarves are all slow as molasses, but an elf can be anything from slow as molasses to fast as a cheetah, depending on whether they are a wizard base, oracle base, knight base or scout base.

Those of us who saw this as the main problem are appeased only by the fact that you changed the event based on player concerns, but are slightly upset that you didn't really change the event outcome for any race but a dwarf.

I'm not overly worried by someone getting a speed bonus due to armor or dexterity tattoos, but I am worried about how a spellsinger is expected to beat a plainswalker with windwalk 3.

JoeInsane

10-12-2005, 05:46 PM

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Well a huge kudos on taking a relook at the event over player concern.

However, many of us weren't complalining because of a race problem, but were complaining because of a class difference in run speeds. Yes some races have different classes but will have all have a similar run speed for the race, but for everything but a dwarf, this is not so.

Yes dwarves are all slow as molasses, but an elf can be anything from slow as molasses to fast as a cheetah, depending on whether they are a wizard base, oracle base, knight base or scout base.

Those of us who saw this as the main problem are appeased only by the fact that you changed the event based on player concerns, but are slightly upset that you didn't really change the event outcome for any race but a dwarf.

I'm not overly worried by someone getting a speed bonus due to armor or dexterity tattoos, but I am worried about how a spellsinger is expected to beat a plainswalker with windwalk 3.

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I play a Spell singer, is there anyway I can run as fast as a plainswalker with the same buffs? no. does that make me excluded from the race? Pretty much. even with +5 dex on my character and dark crystal robes, I can't even come close to a plains walkers speed. It's a stupid event because it doesn't include everyone, it should be per class,
Elven fight, elven mage,human fighter,human mage, dark elven fighter,dark elven mage, orc fighter,orc mage, dwarf fighter, sr, pw, sps,sws,temple knight,ee,es,bishop,prophet,necro,sorc,he,th,warlo ck,pr,aw,se,ps,orc shaman, orc monk,tyrant,destoryer,over lord, warcryer, elven knight,dark elven knight, elven scout, dark eleven assisan, sk,bd,scavenger,artisan,bounty hunter, warsmith, human wizard, human cleric, human rogue,human warrior, human knight, dark avenger, paldin, warlord, glad.

This would allow All levels, and everyone to compete and have fun. the way it is now is, pretty much daggers and archers get to dominate.

begining to wonder if ncsoft even plays the **** game, that they come up with the most stupidest ways of putting together an event.

Adeux

10-12-2005, 05:59 PM

Nice work! I'm really digginging the changes.

WillieC

10-12-2005, 07:07 PM

Cool event. Pw's finally get to shine and do something they're good at, now the nukers get to know what it's like to suck!

Thirsty

10-12-2005, 07:40 PM

Well its not a straight line race so speed is not the deciding factor. But of course it helps to be fast nonetheless.

4r4k4w4

10-12-2005, 07:59 PM

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Well its not a straight line race so speed is not the deciding factor. But of course it helps to be fast nonetheless.

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No, but there is only one optimal race course. And guess who will have the advantage anyway?

RogueAssassin

10-12-2005, 08:45 PM

How come they got rid of the 2nd and 3rd place prizes?!?

There IS a chance that someone below level 61 might find a way to win this. I mean, granted, it's extremely slim, but still there. Not everyone competing in this is going to be in A grade.

NC Soft:
+1 for having an event so soon after the last one
+1 for fixing the event so that Striders couldn't be used
+1 for realizing that Elves would own all other races and dividing it up into race catagories
-1 for not dividing it into classes as well
-2 for removing 2nd and 3rd place prizes.

So it ends up even.

Darkmotion

10-12-2005, 08:52 PM

Greetings,

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So it ends up even.

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NO NO wait !

They get +1 for giving new shoes to the winners...

I was kinda disappointed in Rust when I first saw this event and no squeeky shoes as a prize...

I mean SHOES ! Rust, dude, how could this slip by you !!!!111!!!!!1111!!!one!!!!11!!!!!!!BBQ!!1!!!!

Have Fun ! ™

BoardPK
Official Board Devil

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RogueAssassin

10-12-2005, 08:53 PM

LOL. Shoes do make a good prize in a FOOTRACE.

miccoz

10-12-2005, 10:02 PM

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Seriously. Didn't you guys think of the points raised amongst the playerbase when you thought of this event?

To me among others it was so obvious that the fastest classes would be the dominating force.
With or without Striders.

But changing the rules was the best thing that happened to this event!
This Dwarf will participate!

RustNC

10-12-2005, 11:07 PM

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Greetings,

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So it ends up even.

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NO NO wait !

They get +1 for giving new shoes to the winners...

I was kinda disappointed in Rust when I first saw this event and no squeeky shoes as a prize...

I mean SHOES ! Rust, dude, how could this slip by you !!!!111!!!!!1111!!!one!!!!11!!!!!!!BBQ!!1!!!!

Have Fun ! ™

BoardPK
Official Board Devil

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Only human, baby. But give Ornery the love.

kayosoni_

10-12-2005, 11:09 PM

Why don't you just have a pvp event? with prizes. would be way cooler.

RogueAssassin

10-12-2005, 11:12 PM

LOL, like a PvP event would be fair.

eBayers with ridiculous OEs FTW!!!!!!!!

kayosoni_

10-12-2005, 11:20 PM

Like an event where people can take advantage of having a grade armors for + dex/+ run speed, dex tattoos, second account swordsingers and buffers placed in various towns, ww2 pots, etc is fair.

It will always come down to who has the most cash.

The point is that this event is poorly thought out, and requires a lot more thought to make it "ok".

Just making it per class, including all no-class changes and first-class-changes is a good idea.

Splatter

10-12-2005, 11:42 PM

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Seriously. Didn't you guys think of the points raised amongst the playerbase when you thought of this event?

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LMAO.... What points rasied? You make it sound that they made the first post as an idea post of the event. Then used the cosmic forces of the universe to whip it together in seconds as people talked about it.

They had the whole event planned for months....Posted about it.... We debated in a thread they made talking about it...They seen some of the points rasied and made a few changes.

Kriegherr

10-13-2005, 12:02 AM

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LMAO.... What points rasied?

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That the track is fairly linear and that the mage classes don't stand a chance against their dagger/archer counter parts. Strider or no strider.

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They had the whole event planned for months....

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I don't know if you are being a fan boy or trying to punch nc below the belt with that comment.
With months of planning they couldn't see the major flaw EVERYONE was quick to point out within 5 minutes of the event being posted?

If I had "months" to plan this, rewards would be presented based on the amount of time it took to finish the race, with handicaps given to the slower classes.
And I dont mean just 1st 2nd and third.

What I mean is this: if you finish the race in say, an hour (plus/minus time for class handicap), you get x prize. Finish it in three hours, you get such and such. Yes that would require a teansie weansie bit more thought to come up with, but at least everyone would have an equal chance to get the same amount of stuff.

Fireworks in deed... 10 seconds of OOO! AAHHH! for 3 hours of running.

Splatter

10-13-2005, 12:08 AM

My issue is with the comment the poster made in the order of things.

From his stand point.... Nc should have known better about the points rasied about an event that wasn't even posted or released to the public yet?

BKMiller

10-13-2005, 12:14 AM

Ornery:

I noticed the update on the event page. Nice. I think the new structure is much better.

To the Critics:
1. Any event is better than no event
2. Rogue classes can't win if they don't finish (PvP game, no?)

Splatter

10-13-2005, 12:14 AM

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I don't know if you are being a fan boy or trying to punch nc below the belt with that comment.

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What i am is sick and tired of all the complaning that is done when we get an event. That everyone should be saying "Hey great an event!"

Hey i'm all for pointing out ideas to better the event, but this constant negative hammer bashing is getting old and tired.

The idea of an event is to give a player something else to help releave the daily grind eveyone goes through.

Cann't we just be fricken happy for once about an event?

Midair

10-13-2005, 12:31 AM

this game is demanding, so we have a right to be aswell

did you notice that our ranting actually made the NC-people revise the event and led to a huge improvement?

miccoz

10-13-2005, 12:44 AM

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LMAO.... What points rasied? You make it sound that they made the first post as an idea post of the event. Then used the cosmic forces of the universe to whip it together in seconds as people talked about it.

They had the whole event planned for months....Posted about it.... We debated in a thread they made talking about it...They seen some of the points rasied and made a few changes.

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Alright, let me explain...
What I was after with that comment was that I would had imagined they had thought about the same things that we (the players) thought first when they came public with this event.

So they should have realized when designing this event that it would not be fair with the first set of rules they posted.

asenna

10-13-2005, 01:05 AM

Hey, great, an event! (C)
Did you ever thought the prize is A grade? Did you ever thought it's actualy a team-based game? And now you ask to level everything. Oh, yeah, why not, but then, let's remove WW, +dex, song of wind, wolf totel and agile movement from the game at all?
If you want A enchant, work in team, and work hard :)
LOL. This ain't be level nor should be level. If you don't want your OL now, re-roll to SwS.

Oh, and at last. (http://www.mmorpgcollection.com/L2/comics/stabby/L2-comic22.jpg)

DivineWolf

10-13-2005, 02:01 AM

I still don't understand why NCsoft just didnt do this:

1: When talking to the first NPC in Aden, you get a special "buff" that can only be removed when you speak with the last event manager (Gludin one). During that time, the timer will start.

2: The buff is a runspeed modifier. EVERYBODY gets the SAME runspeed. It doesn't matter what buffs you use, the runspeed will be constant. WW, Tyrant totems, self buffs, song of wind.. doesn't matter, your stuck with the same runspeed (I'd say a runspeed of 150 would be nice, so everyone can see how it is to play a human mystic >,< + nobody can "cheat" by starting the event and get faster runspeed compared to their usual runspeed during the whole event)

3: After this event, the best of each race gets a 1st, 2nd and 3rd place, and the rest gets a consolation prize. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd prize is ofc modified to hinder market flood and such :)

This way, nobody can complain about runspeed, everybody gets the same. Also, since everyone got the same runspeed, the best time will be from those who know their ways the best, which is figured out after the event is done (prizes end up in their inventory). Also, for fun, you can talk to the NPCs and he will list the current 5 fastest runners.

Its a win/win situation: No complaining, all timezones can join in if you strech the time so far that everybody can join in, if you win, yay prize, if you loose, yay consolation prize ;)

asenna

10-13-2005, 02:39 AM

Extremly easily exploitable. Imagine me, human mystic without windwalk and a party go get this buff and then go hunt, not take part of the event.

Varaya

10-13-2005, 03:01 AM

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Oh my, the horror. Somebody actually gets a free ww while the event lasts (two or three days). Also easily solved, whenever you do something "illegal" as defined in the event description (using gk, using soe/return, dying+restart in town, ...), the buff goes. Since the event starts in aden, people would either have to travel there (far more expensive/time consuming than simply buying a haste pot in the shop) or already BE there (and really, who is regularly in aden and does not have access to either a ww buff or haste pots?).

JoeInsane

10-13-2005, 03:58 AM

I think this needs to be posted here as well. If not the administrators of this forum can feel free to delete it.

NO MAGE HAS A CHANCE AT THIS EVENT, do you not understand that? Not everyone has another character in their back pocket to pull out just for an event. You are excluding every [censored] mage out there that doesn't have an alt to revert to just for the event.

I am a Spell Singer
My base run speed is 126
with dark crystal robe I have 133 run speed
Now if I add ww I have 153 run speed
+5 dex is 6 or 7 run speed If i remember correctly
159 - 160 run speed.

Now lets get a pw's run speed with my same setup.
Plains walkers base run speed is 143
Not to mention a Plains walker has self wind walk so a constant
163 run speed (btw this is not including the run speed passives they get) [Note already faster than my mage]
Add +5 dex
approx 169-170 run speed.
if we add dark crystal robe 177 thats 17 run more run speed than me. I perfer to add doom leather armor because most will be in that so i am going to go back down to 170 run speed and add in that the doom leather gives you +3 dex so if I recall that about 4 run speed correct me if i am wrong, so 174 run speed

Overall Run speed for Plains walker in doom leather with +5 dex
174 run speed with self wind walk 2, 177 if they are in dark crystal robes, thats 14 - 17 more run speed than my spell singer. Which is an extreme amount of difference in run speed.

Overall Run speed of Spell singer with +5 dex
160 run speed in dark crystal robes.

See my point even if I wanted to win this event I can't there is no way for me to beat a plains walker.

I am not going to do the mage for all the other races because the point comes down to the same thing. There is no way in hell for a mage to win this event even if they tried.

Cuj0z

10-13-2005, 03:58 AM

I would say:

At least make the difference between Fighters and Mystic :/

JoeInsane

10-13-2005, 04:03 AM

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At least make the difference between Fighters and Mystic :/

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Err Came out wrong re-typing
: It is already between races so if it can be divided into Fighters and mystics and then split into races it's the same thing as going per class the only difference with that is thou now if they go with that then still pre-40's are pretty much excluded from the event because of high lvl set bonus.

If they do 1 player per class (from fighter/mystic - 1st class change - 2nd class change)

They would be including everyone and then everyone gets a chance to win something.

asenna

10-13-2005, 04:15 AM

By the way, did I miss something and we are running straight line?
It's not only about your running speed, it's also about your skill to chose your way. :) I'd even say - it's MOSTLY about your skill to chose your way. My orc mystic easily overruns human fighters when it's not about straight line, hey, I must be cheating, do I?

JoeInsane

10-13-2005, 04:17 AM

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By the way, did I miss something and we are running straight line?
It's not only about your running speed, it's also about your skill to chose your way. :) I'd even say - it's MOSTLY about your skill to chose your way. My orc mystic easily overruns human fighters when it's not about straight line, hey, I must be cheating, do I?

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there is only one Fastest way, if everyone knows about it (which I am sure everyone will) then you have no chance as a mage.

asenna

10-13-2005, 04:23 AM

Well... Let's see automobile races. There is, for sure, the only one fastest way, and some cars are definitely faster than other, then why different pilots win? There should have been only one winner in all the races :)

Ventx

10-13-2005, 04:24 AM

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Extremly easily exploitable. Imagine me, human mystic without windwalk and a party go get this buff and then go hunt, not take part of the event.

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the set runspeed can be slower than normal [censored].

asenna

10-13-2005, 04:32 AM

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Extremly easily exploitable. Imagine me, human mystic without windwalk and a party go get this buff and then go hunt, not take part of the event.

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the set runspeed can be slower than normal [censored].

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This might be exploited in PK. It came to my mind that difference in runspeed rather affects PvP then PvM. Monsters are mostly faster than players, only SR probably is an excemption.

DivineWolf

10-13-2005, 07:22 AM

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Extremly easily exploitable. Imagine me, human mystic without windwalk and a party go get this buff and then go hunt, not take part of the event.

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the set runspeed can be slower than normal [censored].

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This might be exploited in PK. It came to my mind that difference in runspeed rather affects PvP then PvM. Monsters are mostly faster than players, only SR probably is an excemption.

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Or tyrant/TH/PW while their dash/totem whatever lasts..
But I still don't see the problem if the runspeed is lower than even the slowest character in the game, and like I said: If WW, song of wind etc. does not work.. Who want to degrade themself to a runspeed of a human mystic or lower unless it is to win this event the real way: Not by runspeed, but by knowleadge of the terrain.

Besides, like they said, if you do illegalties (SOE, return to village, striders etc. then the buff is canceled and you must go back to aden to redo the race, but you can't win because the timer is still running until you meet the gludin NPC)

How will this affect PvP? If you want to have advantage of speed in PvP, don't enter the contest or PvP before/after the contest then :)

asenna

10-13-2005, 07:33 AM

Having that low speed is like a label 'Hey, guys, I'm in the content, I'm running low, I can't BSOE, I can't recall, come and kill me!'

Kriegherr

10-13-2005, 10:13 AM

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Yes, you missed something. Unless you want to get creative and lose on purpose, we are running in pretty straight lines here. The only time you might have to deviate from this path is to fight monsters... which all the mystic and dwarf classes will have to do. Archers, daggers, and totem users will be able to run past the monsters.

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cristalina

10-13-2005, 10:20 AM

To compensate for the slower mages, an event mob could spawn after each key is handed over.
Mages can recover time cos they kill the fastest....

cyzco21

10-13-2005, 10:25 AM

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Honestly It should be each class, really every healer/mage has no chance. It's going to be all daggers/archers winning.

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Just goes to show you, they make a change for the better of the event for everyone as a whole. And still people are not happy.

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Please explain to me how a mage/healer is going to win over a dagger/archer class? The event pretty much only caters to them. If they want to make the event equal to all it should be for each class.

SWS,BD,Prophet,EE,SR,etc.

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Maybe there should be a board event for who can cry the most. Anyone want to start placing bets as to who would win?

DivineWolf

10-13-2005, 10:49 AM

asenna: You can BSOE.. you can recall.. You can do something, but it will just mean you will loose time because you got to start over + have your current used time. This is a pretty stupid event imo, because either only the highest runspeed classes benefit from it (since the track is pretty straight as you MUST visit those towns in the correct order), or your senario (which is only a price you got to pay to participate)..

IMO, I think a fixed runspeed that can't be affected is best combined with the calculation of shortest time compared to others (regardless if you started it and ended first) is best.. If someone start 6pm and end it 7pm, and someone else start it 8pm and end it 8:50pm, the last one wins due to less time.. That way, if your afraid of warring clans, run the race on a different time when ur warring clan is not online.

Any way, whatever you do will end up in +'s and -'s in someones eyes. The class run is also an idea, but that might leave a big influx on the market with 31 prices to hand out to each class unless you tone down the price even more.. My balances all classes runspeed, but you listed the minus'.. You can't please all obvious, specially with such a runspeed specific event.

cristalina: How do you justify human mystic prophet/bishops who can't kill any fast and have the slowest runspeed ingame then? :confused:

uNDeRPaNTS_GNoMe

10-13-2005, 10:53 AM

I'll bet the slowest class will whine the most. I'll bet 10a.

Oh wait, my toons are among the slowest..... I just wanted the fireworks anyway. Run like the wind slow-pokes!!!
:p

Stilts

10-13-2005, 10:58 AM

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Well a huge kudos on taking a relook at the event over player concern.

However, many of us weren't complalining because of a race problem, but were complaining because of a class difference in run speeds. Yes some races have different classes but will have all have a similar run speed for the race, but for everything but a dwarf, this is not so.

Yes dwarves are all slow as molasses, but an elf can be anything from slow as molasses to fast as a cheetah, depending on whether they are a wizard base, oracle base, knight base or scout base.

Those of us who saw this as the main problem are appeased only by the fact that you changed the event based on player concerns, but are slightly upset that you didn't really change the event outcome for any race but a dwarf.

I'm not overly worried by someone getting a speed bonus due to armor or dexterity tattoos, but I am worried about how a spellsinger is expected to beat a plainswalker with windwalk 3.

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I play a Spell singer, is there anyway I can run as fast as a plainswalker with the same buffs? no. does that make me excluded from the race? Pretty much. even with +5 dex on my character and dark crystal robes, I can't even come close to a plains walkers speed. It's a stupid event because it doesn't include everyone, it should be per class,
Elven fight, elven mage,human fighter,human mage, dark elven fighter,dark elven mage, orc fighter,orc mage, dwarf fighter, sr, pw, sps,sws,temple knight,ee,es,bishop,prophet,necro,sorc,he,th,warlo ck,pr,aw,se,ps,orc shaman, orc monk,tyrant,destoryer,over lord, warcryer, elven knight,dark elven knight, elven scout, dark eleven assisan, sk,bd,scavenger,artisan,bounty hunter, warsmith, human wizard, human cleric, human rogue,human warrior, human knight, dark avenger, paldin, warlord, glad.

This would allow All levels, and everyone to compete and have fun. the way it is now is, pretty much daggers and archers get to dominate.

begining to wonder if ncsoft even plays the **** game, that they come up with the most stupidest ways of putting together an event.

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You get something just for participating. Thats enough for me. As for the rule changes they make. Gratz. Maybe next event they can take all what we have suggested into account. I for one will run just for fun.

ThomasCovanent

10-13-2005, 11:25 AM

Ok, so some people aren't figuring it out. The amendment did level the playing field - It's simple people...if you don't have a super fast class, run with your dwarf. Most people have them.

My dwarf with ww2 and elven mithril set (bannana suit) - a whopping 165.

Most dwarves don't add +DEX tats, i mean, why would you...so this evens it up even further between high & low lvl peeps. Ok, so if someone had 3 mil to waste on +DEX dyes, they could steriod up their character for this event - not worth it, IMO.

Torqq

10-13-2005, 12:52 PM

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I have to agree with this. Last thing any SpS/Sorc should be doing is complaining about fairness in this game.

Can't wait for the cries in C4 when cancel isn't an instant win spell.

Weyrand

10-13-2005, 01:52 PM

Lol yeah, why do all events have to be super-uber-mega-fair? That'll be so boring in the end it will not be worth it. Most events lean towards one or another kind of class, nothing wrong with that.

This is L2 we're playing afterall. The game were we will have a limited amount of nobles and even overpowered heroes. It's fascinating there isn't more complaining about the unfairness of that - not that I would, I love the concept as a whole. L2 is not fair, and will never be. Go out there and fight to the best of your own power! ^^

Oh, and plainswalkers/silver ranges and all those other sneaky classes get runspeed passive boosts - so we're not talking 170 or whatever the previous poster came up with, but more like 190+ depending on tats and armor sets (mithril robes D grade give +7 runspeed, doom robes B grade give +7 runspeed - you don't NEED the a grade robe for that, really).

Jodo

10-13-2005, 05:05 PM

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Not being a dagger, archer, dwarf or tyrant I know I have no hope of winning this. Absolutely zero. That's what makes it stupid. For me, I might do it just for the consolation prize but, frankly, for a run this long I'd want to know what it is before I bothered wasting an hour and a half on the run.

Do we know what the consolation prize is?

Ventx

10-13-2005, 05:20 PM

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Not being a dagger, archer, dwarf or tyrant I know I have no hope of winning this. Absolutely zero. That's what makes it stupid. For me, I might do it just for the consolation prize but, frankly, for a run this long I'd want to know what it is before I bothered wasting an hour and a half on the run.

Do we know what the consolation prize is?

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geez make a lvl 1 dwarf and run. not hard to do.

LemonOP

10-13-2005, 07:21 PM

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I don't know if you are being a fan boy or trying to punch nc below the belt with that comment.

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What i am is sick and tired of all the complaning that is done when we get an event. That everyone should be saying "Hey great an event!"

Hey i'm all for pointing out ideas to better the event, but this constant negative hammer bashing is getting old and tired.

The idea of an event is to give a player something else to help releave the daily grind eveyone goes through.

Cann't we just be fricken happy for once about an event?

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I completely agree.

I have to say, when I first read about the event I was really excited to see something come up so soon after the medal event, and ready to make the run. :D When I saw that striders were allowed, my heart sank...but I was still happy to make the run. Fireworks! :D Now that I see striders disallowed, I am relieved; although I really don't think that's gonna give me a much better chance at that first place prize. :p

All the negative feedback on this event makes me think back to even this last event...and all the complaints that the medals event was tailored more to nukers and how "unfair" it was that they would benefit most from it. Now those with mystics are making the complaints...and not *entirely* unjustly. I think something that everyone needs to remember is the diversity that exists in Lineage. Not only between races/classes, but stats tweaked by armor, tats, buffs, etc. I can't imagine that *any* event made would make *everyone* happy. The fact is no one is being forced to participate. And if you can't find the fun in the *spirit* of the event...and your *only* reason for running is because you want to know you have a guaranteed shot at those enchants...that makes me sad. You are supposed to be having *fun* playing Lineage, yeah? ;) I hate to say it, but complaining that a mystic hasn't a shot is a bit like complaining that you can't participate in Olympic swimming events because you aren't a strong swimmer...

All in all I'm excited to make the run, I think it will be fun...especially seeing the ways people get slowed on their trips (ice bolt :eek:).

*whew* :o ..so that's my two cents...however long-winded it may have been. :eek: My apologies. :o

By the way... Hello, everyone! :D

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10-13-2005, 09:17 PM

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And if you can't find the fun in the *spirit* of the event...and your *only* reason for running is because you want to know you have a guaranteed shot at those enchants...that makes me sad. You are supposed to be having *fun* playing Lineage, yeah? I hate to say it, but complaining that a mystic hasn't a shot is a bit like complaining that you can't participate in Olympic swimming events because you aren't a strong swimmer...

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A person who does not have strong swimming skills will not be able to make any countries Olympic Swimming team and so will not be able to particiapte in an Olympic swimming event because they aren't a strong swimmer. Or did you not know you have to try out to be on the Olympic team?

No country wants to send a slow swimmer to compete against a bunch of fast swimmers because tyhey knwo that swimmer would have no chance of winning, and so any effort they spent to train this person would be better spent on someone who was a faster swimmer before receiving training. If you aren't already a fast swimmer, don't bother trying out for an Olympic Swimmign team, you won't make it and will just be wasting your time and the judges time.

And, I see nothing wrong in wanting to be given enchant scrolls. That sounds like something that would make me happy to log in and see, a fresh new enchant weapon A scroll sitting pretty in my warehouse. Can anyone here attest that they would not enjoy this?

The spirit of the event should be a race that is not rigged from the getgo, but one where oyu actually have a chance at winning. And if this race needs to be made a race based on class in order to be fair, then that is what it should be.

All sports are divided this way so that everyone who competes has a chance of winning. And when the prize is big, you likely need to try out in order to be able to participate in the event, the organizers do not want to waste valuable space by hosting people who do not have a chance of winning, they don't want a rigged competition. Boxing is broken into three divisions based on the fighters weight, car racing is broken down based on type of vehicle so that no two different types of cars are ever competing against each other. In all actual competitions, the intent is to have a competition, which means breaking things down so that no one who can't compete with someone else will ever be competing against them.

Yet we are being forced to swallow logic that is opposite to this, forced ot accpet a rigged competition. No wonder we are complaining.

And this is one of those competitions where someones competiting directly effects someone else. The medal event was not a competition, but an event where someone elses participation did not effect whether you were going to earn a medal from killing a mob. If you killed a mob, you would be able to earn a mob, and could earn as many medals as mobs you killed. Rewards were based on number of medals you earned yourself, not on the number of medals Sally earned.

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10-13-2005, 11:28 PM

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A person who does not have strong swimming skills will not be able to make any countries Olympic Swimming team and so will not be able to particiapte in an Olympic swimming event because they aren't a strong swimmer. Or did you not know you have to try out to be on the Olympic team?
No country wants to send a slow swimmer to compete against a bunch of fast swimmers because tyhey knwo that swimmer would have no chance of winning, and so any effort they spent to train this person would be better spent on someone who was a faster swimmer before receiving training. If you aren't already a fast swimmer, don't bother trying out for an Olympic Swimmign team, you won't make it and will just be wasting your time and the judges time.

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What does this have to do with what TurkeySammich posted? Very bad comparsion :p
Here, you CAN participate, wether you stand a chance to win or not. You waste no ones time only maybe your own, and you even WILL get a price anyway.

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I see nothing wrong in wanting to be given enchant scrolls. That sounds like something that would make me happy to log in and see, a fresh new enchant weapon A scroll sitting pretty in my warehouse. Can anyone here attest that they would not enjoy this?

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LA is not D2. Nothing comes easy or free. If you want free gifts, play something else.

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The spirit of the event should be a race that is not rigged from the getgo, but one where oyu actually have a chance at winning. And if this race needs to be made a race based on class in order to be fair, then that is what it should be.
All sports are divided this way so that everyone who competes has a chance of winning. And when the prize is big, you likely need to try out in order to be able to participate in the event, the organizers do not want to waste valuable space by hosting people who do not have a chance of winning, they don't want a rigged competition. Boxing is broken into three divisions based on the fighters weight, car racing is broken down based on type of vehicle so that no two different types of cars are ever competing against each other. In all actual competitions, the intent is to have a competition, which means breaking things down so that no one who can't compete with someone else will ever be competing against them.

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Partially true. Still, there is nearly never a competition with totally equal settings for everyone. One boxer, even if in the same division, has 10 - 20 pounds more, or longer reach of this arms. One racing team has more money to put into their car and therefore better gear than others. Just the same like in this event.
We also have divisions now, not classes but races. You could divide into classes, still it would not be fair for all. The lvl 75 char has maybe more runspeed passives than lower chars. The rich char has better gear than others.

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I hate that constant complaining and whining. :mad:

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And this is one of those competitions where someones competiting directly effects someone else.

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LOL. Sure it is! Again, if you dont want competition, dont play LA2.
Even if you are the fastest class in your race, highest lvl and perfectly outfitted, still this other guy can be faster and you'd loose.
Would you complain because he found the better route or was more clever? Or had more friends to help him?
What do you want? An event with no competition where everybody wins? Or even better an event where only YOU can win? :p

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The medal event was not a competition, but an event where someone elses participation did not effect whether you were going to earn a medal from killing a mob. If you killed a mob, you would be able to earn a mob, and could earn as many medals as mobs you killed. Rewards were based on number of medals you earned yourself, not on the number of medals Sally earned.

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And STILL people complained :D
"OMG that nuker can kill the mobs faster than me and will get more outta the event than I do"
Go home to your mommy to cry you will get more understanding than here on the board :mad:

I am looking forward to this event. And, as I am Human Mystic, be it only for the PvP aspect it holds :cool:

LemonOP

10-14-2005, 01:19 AM

I didn't mean to strike a nerve, and I hope I didn't. :o

I probably shouldn't have left that analogy so open, and explained a little better. All I meant by that was that everyone has their strengths/weaknesses. In *any* event organized, there will be someone with an advantage over you. Although, I agree it will likely not be to such an *extreme* advantage as this event allows.

But some changes were made, and it's not a "perfect" event...or even balanced. But it is sure a whole lot better than it was before. And in the end, it is still just an event. Maybe I should be more demanding of how they are put together...but I just see it as something fun to do, something to add some spice to the daily norm in L2. Prizes certainly sweeten the whole thing, and encourage participation. :p

It's the *complaining* I don't agree with. Of course, it is up to the players to give feedback (be it negative or positive) on events. But I find it disappointing that so many would deem this event a total waste simply because they will not be placed first. I just feel that any bit of fun you *could* have participating in the event shouldn't be lost simply because you won't be rewarded "grandly". And this may not be how you see it in particular, but from what I've read many do.

Melech

10-14-2005, 03:47 AM

The event sounds fun, and I will prolly have one of my dwarfs do it - just to see what the fireworks are like :p

Slight worry, however, is for other characters, not participating, but running from place to place as per usual (to save money, u know, avoiding porting :o) - are they likely to get pk'd by someone assuming they are in the race?

Maybe it is a weekend to stock up on shots and go hide in a necro :cool: Good time for artisans to sit themselves in the lobby ;)

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10-14-2005, 04:07 AM

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It is not that people deem it a waste because they won't be first, people deem it a waste because such an event heavily rewards those classes with high runspeed. The medal event I find a success because even thought I did not kill faster than archers/nukers, I still got a reward from it and everybody had a chance of getting a reward by grinding or by buying medals.

This event, however, simply rewards those with fastest runspeed by default. Like someone said (nice view btw), you could always use your dwarf and get a pretty fair race, but it just seems like a waste of a main character. I'd love to win, I would still like the consolation price so I will deem it fun even if I loose best time.. Its just, the whole thing could have been set up in a more fair way because they can.. There are plenty of suggestions out there.. Averege time based on runspeed, a constant speed or per class..

Ofc this is just my view, NCsoft can give a rat *** about it and probably will, its just, everything NCsoft does eventually sums up to a view among the players.. By having unfair events (like the beginning of this event, before the change) or that changes that should have been made is not made or people feel they just dont care, it eventually sums up to a bad review and people will generally avoid the game like the plauge, and oldtime players will never see fresh blood, and become bored and leave.. Even a small event like this can tip over players if its badly played out