BD tatoos

[Heartfang]

hey!

I have read some about BD tatoos, and most people got +4str/-4con +4dex/-4con ... ok, thats -8 con.. thats ok as long you dont figth mobs with stun etc, or even better, when you stop soloing and play groups only. but, im lvl49 now, and only got the +4str/-4con and wow, I cant carry very much...at most 5000 CSS without getting overcumbed..I can live with that, but..hey, another -4con? I cant even imagin how feew CSS I can carry then... :S
but, I noticed today first, at B-grade all weapons use 1 BSS each?? that would meen at lvl52 I could get my 2nd tatoo and still maybe carry 3000 BSS (that would still be 3000 swings.. now 5000 CSS is only 1666 swings ) am I right or did I miss something? and what should my 3rd tatoo be?? -wit/+men? for mana regen? or -int+men? (if that one exists)

and another question, If I already have +4str from tatoos, will the +3str from heavy BW still aplly? or is it caped at +5 as it is with tatoos? (tatto +4 and BW +3 would be +7)

[MalineII]

Indeed, and as if that wasn't enough - B shots are lighter than C shots too, so you can carry even more. :D

The +4 DEX is pretty optional, as DEX is distributed across so many stats that you won't notice much of an effect from it unless you combine it to use for very fast attack speed setups.

You can get a total of +9 for a stat using the Demon or Plated Leather sets and tattoos +5. Indeed, the cap applies only to tattoos, it does not include set advantages at all.

As a fighter, you unfortunately can't touch your MEN - for a dark elf who needs both INT and WIT it's probably best just to leave them alone.

[Lothlian]

+5Str -5Con is what I have, its fine for PvE, sucks for PvP though. ;)

[Judas]

imo, +4str +5 dex and -9 con then using Armor SA to increase your STR further to +6 and -11 con.. leaving you with 21con and others being high.

Remember, BDs they are assistant fighters. They are designed to be tanks for an entire group.

HOWEVER, with those tats, combined with even just VR1... you can solo like crazy beyind 61 even. Each hit, and the number of times you'll crit, you'll get more hp back then even 2 mobs hitting you can take (white/yellow mobs). @ -11 con and lvl 61 you'll have roughly 2500hp. You'll be able to carry at least 7500 BSS and 750 BSPS and all nessary potions/items. Remember, your close to B grade... and C SS/bsps are heavier, B grade is alot nicer.

With those tats, you'll be able to run a smidge bit faster then any other BD without tats in blue wolf, even if your using doom or other armor without speed increase. I've found doom to be excellent with those tats. To increase your patk when your not tanking or soloing hard mobs, just unequip one portion of the doom.. But i'd suggest BW.

[Lothlian]

I had +4dex -4con for a while (a matter of hours), I found the damage increase pathetic compared to the HP loss and the 50% increase in how often I was stunned.

[Heartfang]

I would say the HP loss is only bad for PvP, and should have nothing to do with PvE. tho, being stunned all the time cant be fun..I dont know, how are the mobbs at 52+?? most of them have stun? i tried to solo a bit in dragonvalley, and it was 'almost' impossible even with my -4 con. got stunned all the time..1-2 stuns / mob...I f i got 2 mobs on me It was like a 50/50 I would die or not...stunned from start to end :(

so faar Im most intressed oh +5str+4dex/-9con. that sounds realy nice..but i guess you havr to be very carefull playing with those tatoos.

yea, ill stick to BW...no other armors can compare with that set, to me :)

[Lothlian]

Get +4Str -4Con to start with, that is by far the most noticeable. Then later on when you have some HP again, get either +4Dex -4Con or +1Str -1Con, depending on how brave / stupid you are. :D

If you jump right in with -11 con at low level you will be royaly screwed for HP. 1 hit kill if a magic mob crits, or an archer player crits. :p

[Judas]

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Get +4Str -4Con to start with, that is by far the most noticeable. Then later on when you have some HP again, get either +4Dex -4Con or +1Str -1Con, depending on how brave / stupid you are. :D

If you jump right in with -11 con at low level you will be royaly screwed for HP. 1 hit kill if a magic mob crits, or an archer player crits. :p

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Only one mob has magic critted me and killed me first hit, but i wasn't the only one.. fighting reds in FP catacomb (or is the necro?)...

anyways.... IMO, +5 dex is really excellent. And at a low lvl (actually going to do this on the PTS @ lvl 40), you can roast through mobs **** fast. Imo, if your lvl 49, i'd suggest fighting on Alligator island and into the worshippers necro. When you hit 50-51.. move to Enchanted valley and find the Unicorns and Satrys. (NOT THE ELDERS)... kill them till they become blue and then move to the Elder variations... kill them till your 60 or 61.. (that's when they all become blue). If you can manage top C and Top B weapons (dual kats and dual SLS with those tats), you can make it from 40-61 in a matter of a few days :)

[Lothlian]

On the subjest of duals - if you can +4 them, follow the advice of every other dual wielder in the game and get focus duals. ;)

[PavlovsDog]

I used to play a BD and I know that the dances are the best "Hate" in town. Now I play a tank, and when the party's BD Dances in the middle of mass PvE, I spend half my MP Hating the mobs off him. Dirt nap time if he has -Con tats. Even without dances, its hard enough keeping aggro when the BD doesn't have +str tats cuz tanks don't do a whole lot of damage.

Summary: if you solo a lot, +str tats are the way to go. If you party with a tank, give the tank and healer a break with +con. No matter what, don't -Dex.

[Woodsman]

Dances generate less hate nowadays. So the BD is less required to be the tank nowadays. But those were scary times yes.

Personally I never did the str +4 / -4 con tattoos. I get stunned way to often anyway which I find a big nuisance. For the PvP aspect, and the support role the BD plays there. Having a good Con and HP helps a little as it allows you to survive longer providing the dances for your party to help them kill the opposition. You wont take any enemies down of course, but that is true for most melee classes.

So just wondering, any BD gone the +4Con route instead?

[L2Girl]

I went +4 Con and +4 Dex, -8 Str to see what it would be like. The stuns were noticably less often and I was much faster at killing. Some have asked why on earth would I nerf my Str. Well, the way I play (PVE) my dances were more than enough to assist me with a lower dmg output. So my choice was to go for faster kills & survivability over the highest dmg. Worked well for me from 64 to 75. But everyone has different tastes. Go with what you feel is most comfortable for your play style.

[PaladinXMan]

Lol, -8 Str is not faster than +4 Str. 4 dex is like 15 attack speed, 8 Str is like almost 200+ Patk. On crits, you lose 400 patk per crit (2x loss on fire dance).

You are set up for PvP only, admit it. HP wins PvP.

[L2Girl]

Thanks for ridiculing me. I'm so happy my way of playing to 75 has provided you with humor. Has your [censored] grown?

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[Lothlian]

He IS right though.

[L2Girl]

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He IS right though.

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That wasn't the point, Loth.

[HIeverybody]

hp makes no differenace in mass pvp... you are targeted last... and once you are the only one left... game over... best pvp setup is max dmg so you can kill somebody before you are targeted....

[Lothlian]

If you have a clever enemy you will be the first to be dropped, melee / archers without dances are a LOT less effective.

[Judas]

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If you have a clever enemy you will be the first to be dropped, melee / archers without dances are a LOT less effective.

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I find BDs are targeted either 2nd or 3rd.. they usually take out the healers/nukers first.. .BDs or archers 2nd... 3rd... anyones game.

As for the +con... it'll help against stun... But minusing it from the default down to -11 doesn't really impact anything... at default.. every lvl of stun pretty much lands. (lvl 61.. and with default stats... lvl 49 DA can still chain stun me). IMO, i've found screw the con, even when i plussed my con i found myself still getting chained stunned in PVP.... fighting mobs that are pink red even yellow white would still chain stun me with +con. Minusing down 11 con has shown me very little difference... only thing is that now some extremely low lvl char could now possibly stun me. But i've been fighting mobs.... and i get stunned a smidge more often, but there are times when the entire group is stunned, and i'm the only one left swinging.. the lowest con of the group... and not effected lol.. (btw i hate gargoyles)

Since we can only use Heavy armor (welll not really, but why would we go light or robe? lol)... most of our armors are either strength or con oriented. So tatoos +5 dex would be best idea, +4 str (or lower if you don't want con to drop that much)..... hell, if you wanted to .. you could counter the SA effects of specific armor to keep your con/str the same, and say +2 con and -2 str for the majestic set. But +5 dex seriously kicks ***.... Criting more often, harder, atacking faster, running faster, other things Dex gives you. DEX is focus+Haste+ww+dw in a bottle.

[Heartfang]

yea, I have the money but I havent bougth kat*kat and I will not go sls*sls at B, ill go with focus as Im doing now... +4% atkspeed? lol... thats crap..

so faar I have leveled from 40-49 at IT...first in the pit, then later moved out of the pit to kill bugbears...they got no stuns or other abilitys...I like that :) ill try the other places you mentioned tho..
yea, ill get the other 2 tatoos at lvl52 (+4dex/-4con .. +1str/-1con) :)

[Severity_]

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I noticed today first, at B-grade all weapons use 1 BSS each?? that would meen at lvl52 I could get my 2nd tatoo and still maybe carry 3000 BSS (that would still be 3000 swings.. now 5000 CSS is only 1666 swings ) am I right or did I miss something?

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Keep in mind that BSS is also lighter than CSS. My CON is dropped by 5 and I can still carry 7K BSS. That's a lot of fighting. I go through 20 or so swifties in the same amount of time.. so about 6.5 hours.

Personally, I used to have +4 Dex tats, but didn't see any great improvement and ended up removing it. I'm actually now considering going +str/-dex.

Because Dex affects so many stats, its impact on each single stat is marginal. On the other hand, the affects of CON and STR are much more noticeable.

[Dureal]

I pvp'ed a BD of the same level. His build was a +str -con one + using hp bonus duals to get the hp back he lost from -con. I'm playing a full atk spd build, means I got +5 dex through using a +4dex -4con and a +1dex -1str tattoo. I'm also using Tallum Heavy Armor which boosts your strength by 2 again and reduces your con by 2. So I end up with stats of 42 str, 39 dex and con 26. Tallum gives you also +8% more atk spd and that's the secret for this build. I was using Dual SLS. And no.. the +4% atk spd are not "lol". Used with this build they turn you into a killer. Fully buffed I got 717 atk spd.
About the 1on1 vs the strength build BD. I won. The fight was over in about 20 secs. The bad side of this atk spd build is the high burning of SS ;) But imagine your atk spd with dual kesh (there are no A Grade duals with focus anyway). They give additional 8%. Have fun calculating.
Although.. if you are going to get +dex I'd only recommend the atk spd build. Using it with a focus/strength build it will suck later on in A Grade cause you won't have focus duals (certainly you can overenchant tsu*sls but they don't get pvp bonus).
For PvE use atk spd is great too. I only need VR1 to don't have any downtime at all.
The -8 con build mentioned above are interesting but I won't use them because I think it will probably be too much of hp loss. You don't need to care about stun... You will get stunned anyway =)

The strength builds are much cheaper chars cause they don't use as many SS but in my opinion the atk spd build I'm using is the best way for PvP (no BDs don't get killed first btw, always healers and nukers/archers before you ;P). And I don't really care about the little (:eek:) more money I have to spend for it.

Hope I could help out a bit. Don't take my opinion as a perfect method though. I'm still only human and maybe I'm wrong.
I recommend just to try out some stuff. I was at +str too first but then I went the +dex way.

Btw: gogogog BDs!

*edit* btw... Tallum also increases your weight limit =P And BSS/*** are muuuuuch less weight anyway. So no worries =)

[Lothlian]

With the str build you use less SS than any other class, and still out damage daggers and most other DD classes (not archer / glads though :()

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His build was a +str -con one + using hp bonus duals to get the hp back he lost from -con

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So he basically has a neutral build. BD has to specialise. ++str / BW / focus, ++Con / Doom / HP duals, or ++Dex / Zubei / Haste.

[Heartfang]

a fast attackspeed build would be cool, but I dont belive they will outdamage a str build..maybe they do...and even if i go with str tatoos, I still get a +4 dex tatoo...so its just +5str+4dex instead of +5dex+4str.. cant be that much differens? and like many other people already said, dex dont give that much bonus in attackspeed cuz it does effect a lot of other things as well... I mean, my +4str tatoo gave me like 70 p.attack or something like that...thats a LOT!
anyways, at A grade we have to go with attackspeed with our duals anyway, so I guess it will be a combo of p.atk and attackspeed build :/ bhaa, if Im not happy with the build later I can always replace the duals..

[Lothlian]

Dont get A grade duals for PvE, over enchant yourself some SLS*TSU, mine (http://www.l2lod.com/screenshots/swords5.jpg) are currently +8, and have better P.Atk than Kesh*Kesh, with the Focus SA, and nice cheap BSS.

[Heartfang]

aww tsu*sls +8...umm..thats a lot of money :/
I think ill go for +4 now, thats about 37m on bartz server...maybe ill buy some +5 if I got the money, but I odnt know the price for them yet...guess its to much for me.

[Heartfang]

hmm, I was thinking a bit...and, B grade weapons is WAY overpriced atm?? I mean...37m for +4... ouch!
a sls is 11m clean, and I guess its possible to buy it cheaper.
a tsu is 7,5m I think, at least I saw one the other day for 7,5.
so, and 4 enchat weapon are 800k each = 3,2m.. thats 21,7m..is it realy worth it paying 15,3 million more just to not risk blowing them? I mean, IF yuo blow them, you can sell the crystals and use the other 15 mill and try again...
hmm.. umm thin kI missed something...create the duals...how much is that??1-2 million? or more? at mammot??

[4r4k4w4]

When it blows up, it doesn't give the full amount of crystals. You only get half. And at 60% success rate, i say they blow up quite often.

[Severity_]

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is it realy worth it paying 15,3 million more just to not risk blowing them?

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I've broke three TSU*SLS going to +4. You tell me.. is 60 million more than 15.3 million?

Oh, and FYI... you get about 9mil back in B crystals for a busted +3 TSU*SLS. At the time, that was just enough to cover the cost of the wasted enchants.

[Lothlian]

I got 20mil back from my +8s :P 1700ish crystals.

[Elrohir]

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I got 20mil back from my +8s :P 1700ish crystals.

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How much damage do those crystals do when you hit mobs with them? :p

[Lothlian]

No idea, I sold em. :p

[Goddess]

aden blacksmith can create top B dual, for sls*tsu you need about 500 stone of purity.

my clanny BD just hit A grade and want to know the best build(armor and tat) for PvE and the build for PvP and if possible a build that ok for both. I read alot on B grade and tatoo but A grade armor beside atck speed have nothing else good, my friend BD only has +4str -4con so far. any advise??

[Lothlian]

A BD cant have PvE AND PvP setup. Pick one.

[Veansa]

are you saying that you blew those duals up Loth? =p

But they were so pretty =[

[Lothlian]

Ya, made new ones today, only +4 though.

[Heartfang]

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aden blacksmith can create top B dual, for sls*tsu you need about 500 stone of purity.

my clanny BD just hit A grade and want to know the best build(armor and tat) for PvE and the build for PvP and if possible a build that ok for both. I read alot on B grade and tatoo but A grade armor beside atck speed have nothing else good, my friend BD only has +4str -4con so far. any advise??

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scroll up this tread and read :) its all about what tatoos you should get :) no point in typing it all again :S

ok...well, I guess ill buy the duals then...I cant afford to blow them up..I f I do, ill have to use D-grade duals for the rest of my life (or at least 1 month untill I can earn my money back....playing merchant gives money, but not that fast :(

[Severity_]

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ok...well, I guess ill buy the duals then...I cant afford to blow them up..I f I do, ill have to use D-grade duals for the rest of my life (or at least 1 month untill I can earn my money back....playing merchant gives money, but not that fast :(

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Or you can just use NM*NM, since you can make them for around 12mil and dont need to actually craft anything. They also make real nice overenchant fodder.

[Heartfang]

do they have crit SA? well, they have less p.atk at least, and I dont realy want that :/ tsu*sls is ok, I just cant afford to blow them :) got everything else for my char, jewels, BW armor, everything (well my jewels aint +3 yet, but thats 6m I cant afford atm..) anyopne got some overenchanted tsu*sls on bartz server? :)

[ANobody]

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Lol, -8 Str is not faster than +4 Str. 4 dex is like 15 attack speed, 8 Str is like almost 200+ Patk. On crits, you lose 400 patk per crit (2x loss on fire dance).

You are set up for PvP only, admit it. HP wins PvP.


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L2Girl has played with +STR as well as -STR tats. I know, I partied with her all the way to 75 and beyond. She lived longer and was more beneficial to the party with the -STR. She also said she's PvE, as am I.

How is that wrong? As she said, it's down to personal playstyle; if she noticed that she was dying too much or wasn't performing well for the party, don't you think she would have changed them out?

BDs have low enough CON already and losing ~500HP for +4STR/-4CON didn't make sense when looking at the subsequent rise in her stun (and death) rate. A stunned player is a useless player in both PvE and PvP. We died less than 10 times from mid-50s right up to 75 - and many of those deaths were due to the +STR/-CON.

There may be a character build that is technically correct for every class in the game, but it doesn't mean the player wants to play that way. Hence some DAs/Paladins going with +STR instead of +CON. Tattoos were added to allow each player to customize their character as they see fit.

[Lothlian]

I dont die in PvE. Well, except when I suicide my BD. I can be tanking 3 Kariks and I wont die. VR is god, and the P.Atk from +5str/BW is a lot more than 300, which in turn is a lot of HP returned.

[L2Girl]

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There may be a character build that is technically correct for every class in the game, but it doesn't mean the player wants to play that way. Hence some DAs/Paladins going with +STR instead of +CON. Tattoos were added to allow each player to customize their character as they see fit.

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I think this sums up my original point quite well. I'm not one to argue over and over my play style versus another, especially since in this game I've met so many people who've done quite well making their characters their own. If I ever try the all PVP route again (not quite my taste) I know +STR is a no brainer. I don't like the lower con, but that's just me. :) And if the comeback to this is "then you should have made a (fill in tank class here) you're missing the point. I LOVE my BD, have no illusions as to what my role as a BD is, and have still managed to make 75 MY way just fine.

EDIT: BTW, we are rarely in "traditional" parties. ANobody and I tend to party together, and when we can we have an SE and/or prophet with us. So I beceome L2 Tank Girl, hence needing my +Con even more. Maybe that helps folks understand my set up a bit. But doesn't really matter, I'm happy with it! :P

[L2Girl]

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I dont die in PvE. Well, except when I suicide my BD. I can be tanking 3 Kariks and I wont die. VR is god, and the P.Atk from +5str/BW is a lot more than 300, which in turn is a lot of HP returned.

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Loth, I think it would be awesome to play alongside you. Just my opinion (non sarcasm). It's cool to see someone who knows his toon and plays him to the fullest. And you have very good advice for other BDs.

[Aleena]

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is it realy worth it paying 15,3 million more just to not risk blowing them?

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I've broke three TSU*SLS going to +4. You tell me.. is 60 million more than 15.3 million?

Oh, and FYI... you get about 9mil back in B crystals for a busted +3 TSU*SLS. At the time, that was just enough to cover the cost of the wasted enchants.

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If you want pain, I just blew up a pair of SLS*SLS, they were +10. I was trying for 11. YAY 2012 B CRYSTALS! woohoo!! Only weapon I've blown so far [but I've only been playing since oct]

I've been kind of lucky though anyway because I always kind of double guessed wether or not I should've gotten TSU*SLS for my BD instead...so now I have my TSU*SLS back up to +8. Hopefully I'll stop...Although I do miss being able to use my duals as flashlights in the cats.

[SinPalabras]

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is it realy worth it paying 15,3 million more just to not risk blowing them?

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I've broke three TSU*SLS going to +4. You tell me.. is 60 million more than 15.3 million?

Oh, and FYI... you get about 9mil back in B crystals for a busted +3 TSU*SLS. At the time, that was just enough to cover the cost of the wasted enchants.

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If you want pain, I just blew up a pair of SLS*SLS, they were +10. I was trying for 11. YAY 2012 B CRYSTALS! woohoo!! Only weapon I've blown so far [but I've only been playing since oct]

I've been kind of lucky though anyway because I always kind of double guessed wether or not I should've gotten TSU*SLS for my BD instead...so now I have my TSU*SLS back up to +8. Hopefully I'll stop...Although I do miss being able to use my duals as flashlights in the cats.

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Bah, child's play! :D Wait until you blow a pair of +13 Dual SLS or a +15 Homu. That, my friend, is pain! :eek: