About leveling

[FelineFury147]

I bought the game last week, made a human fighter. It's 20 nor, i chose rogue. I mainly kill green stuff not using soulshots because i try to save money for my next weapon. Am i doing this right? Or is there a beter way to play this game? Maybe stuff a noob woudn't know about?

[Schmusekatze]

If you continue what you are doing, and mix in a repeatable or ongoing quest and the manor system, then you are doing perfect.

Spamming Soulshots is the root of all evil. (with the evil being to have no money).

Repeatable Kitten

[bekkar]

Checked out the manor system? Other than that, it sounds fine.

[FelineFury147]

Never heared of it, what's the manor system?

[FelineFury147]

So i bought this Blue Coblo seed thing, costs 450 each and none would land. Great way to make money. What am i not getting?

[Angdil]

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Never heared of it, what's the manor system?

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The best guide on the Manor System is here. (http://lineage2.stratics.com/content/features/manorsystem/)

[Ledaa]

Press seeds to see for what lvls those are suposed to be used. Alos, sell materials in Dion or Giran, those towns have best prices ussualy.

[Kruken]

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So i bought this Blue Coblo seed thing, costs 450 each and none would land. Great way to make money. What am i not getting?

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Did you just by the seads? you have to by a harvester too to get the fruit from the mob after it dies.

[SlyCutter]

http://lineage2.stratics.com/content/features/manorsystem/

here you go just read that

[Galil]

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I bought the game last week, made a human fighter. It's 20 nor, i chose rogue. I mainly kill green stuff not using soulshots because i try to save money for my next weapon. Am i doing this right? Or is there a beter way to play this game? Maybe stuff a noob woudn't know about?

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Your avatar is scary! And yeah you are doing it right! Getting adena is more important than getting levels. The richer you are the earlier you can get uber weapons and then when you are high lvl you will lvl alot faster, and that iswhere it counts.

[Tillus]

i would advise to carry a few SS just in case you agro more mobs than u planned for or come accross a random player that doesn't take a liking to you.

[Schmusekatze]

Short summary:
1: Buy seeds within your level range (the seed says, what levels are best)
2: Fight mobs, that are in the seed range.
3: Harvest the mob after killing it, before you are using sweep (in case you have a real fighter) or any other skill that will destroy a corpse.
4: Resell the fruits to the manor manager to get materials for it.
5: Use or resell the materials to other players for profit.

Oh and just cause you did not understand the manor system, that is no reason, to attack my suggestion. The manor system IS a great way to make money, IF you can use it.
Just like a chainsaw is a great way to cut down a tree, if you know, how to turn it on. If you leave it without power, you will never get a tree down.

Kitten fight

[Belophan]

its alot easier to use explosives..

[Nanashi_Naomhan]

xp is for noobs
all the good players know to focus on cash first

[Mulch]

SOULSHOTS!! <drooool> You'll be addicted sooner or later!! lol

[Woodsman]

Try to avoid spamming soulshtos as long as you can stomach. Hunting greens without soulshots (especially when you get the manor thing working and you are doing quests) is the best way to earn money while hunting. Your progress is slower then those using soulshots, but you will be able to get some decent gear.

On most servers, best place to buy your D-grade gear is the Giran NPC shops. Find out the official prices before you buy from a pc shop.

[AlphaCentori]

I wouldn't advise you to get the Manor System as it is atm, if you are unable to be online EVERY DAY at the Manor reset: you'll get jack and you know why?

Because the most interesting seeds goes away extremely fast.. few minutes at most: if you log on at a random hour, you will more then likely end-up with crappy Manor options. As some know, I do not agree with the "Use the manor, it's great" lovers because it is only a great system due to the above limitations.

As people said, gears are extremely important in L2: most are “craft only” and since most items require gigantic amount of raw materials to be crafted, the demand for Raw Materials in L2 is one of the key aspect of its economy. You get Raw materials mainly through the grind: upon death, a monster has a % chance to drop different kind of mats.

Until C3, the higher the mob was, the more materials you got per drop.., which was in accordance to the fact that the higher your equips are, the more mats they required to be crafted. In C3, NC decided to reduce the Raw mat drop at higher level: when a lvl 70 mob could drop 10 suedes at once in C2, they were reduced to 1 in C3.. making them as worthy (in terms of material drops) as a lvl 5 mob.

Now, according to NC, this material drop nerf was balanced with the Manor system. lol

In theory, the MS allows you to farm much more Raw materials than the regular mob hunts. In practice, it’s pretty much the opposite: as I told you, only those who can be there every days at the Manor reset timer, to buy and sell the most wanted crops/seeds within few minutes, can use it as intended. Basically, before C3 every players had a same chance to get Raw Materials with the Manor being a quest as any other, while now in C3: only a minority of the player base have the chance to get Raw Materials, over the majority.

That incompatibility between a nerf that touched the entire community and its "balance" that concerned only a small part of it, crated an extreme tension on the market: those able to use the Manor System were suddently granted with a monopole in practice, over the production and sale of Raw Materials. Hence why if you can use the manor system, you’ll make tons of adena very easily but if you can’t then you will have to spend even more adena to get Raw Mat than before. Sadly, that 2nd population concerns most of non-US players.. hell, I would say 90% of the player-base, who can’t log at 8PM PST every days.

Though I agree with them: "it makes you earn crazy adena"... but only because it's limited and restricted to a minority of the community: open its access to the entire L2 population and it won't be an adena making tool. Sure it could greatly help us all in the long run to get rid of that system but at the expense of the Industrious Manor Users, which I belive will never accept to give up such power, even for the benefit of us all... just like a Necro who would never accept to give-up his amazing abilities.

So, the Manor System is a complete lockdown of a market, indirectly done by its “Industrious” users/workers, who have the monopole over the production and the sale of the most important goods in LS: the Raw Mats… what sad Joke.

[Wyzeguy]

How well the manor system works is very individual from server to server, depending on character type/level, and what the castle lords are doing that week (which seems to depend on how long it's been since the server was flooded with overly-easy consumables from events).

The seeds I've been doing I can turn in 12+ hours after reset and haven't had problems. But they weren't even being sold previously.

[SlyCutter]

C4 most of the 60+ quests u get give mats so you will see mat prices drop significantly in c4 i wouldnt be depending on the manor system to be making money in c4.

Agrade prices also drop since parts and reciepes are now drops from normal mobs.

[Karizmatik]

hmm the Manor system sounds interesting, gotta try it. Because im not good at making cash either lol...

[Zephro_Carnelian]

i see all theses poasts saying manor system and no ss well my sugestion differs use the manor system get some good cash a fue hundred k then do your home work and craft batches of ss ( this might require you to get a dwarf up to 20) just start with d you can craft it fort around 9 to 8 depending on what you pay to get the d crys and you can sell them for 10-11 keep doing that and you should be rolling in cash in no time then you can jump right in to useing ss and get to the real leveling :) also its cheeper couse youl be crafting em. theres a thousand times more money to be made off players then by the manor system start farming them early :P

[FelineFury147]

So far i agree with alphacentori. All i've seen of the manor system is sold out seeds. Working 5 days a week that's all i'll ever see of it. Go bot farmers!!!

[bekkar]

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So far i agree with alphacentori. All i've seen of the manor system is sold out seeds. Working 5 days a week that's all i'll ever see of it. Go bot farmers!!!

[/ QUOTE ] Don't blame the bots. There are literally a hundred other players you are competing with to turn in a single type of seed. Some of them have the manor reset timed to the second, and are actually even harder to beat than a bot spamming the "turn in crops" sequence would be.

The ability to turn in seeds is very server-dependent. On Hindemith, only around 1/3 of the lower-level seeds ever get turned in, and even less than that are bought (due to HP multipliers, etc). Turning in crops is a snap for everything but two popular low-level seeds. Of course, the system is also barely worth the time, which is why it's so uncompetitive.
It changes every couple weeks, though. Right now we're on a "50a per crop" trip that makes it largely unprofitable. It's been at 400 before, at which time the manors cleaned out within 5 seconds of reset.

If the system isn't working for you, wait and see what happens next.

[Xanthus_]

I wish you people would stop blaming sold out seeds on bots. I've hunted/trained bots for a while, and I've never seen one use a seed...

Also, I have no problem buying/selling seeds on the manor. Just be prompt at reset. And I also work 5 days a week at a day job, the resest's at 10pmCST! (or was it nine? haven't manored in a few weeks. :P)

Anyway, manor's easy to use if yo ujust commit to being on time for the manor reset.

[FelineFury147]

It's just sad. Everyone was saying "try this it's great" and i can't even try it.

[Elrohir]

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It's just sad. Everyone was saying "try this it's great" and i can't even try it.

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I agree. Everyone will tell you how wonderful it is, *if* you can get it to work. Also, you have to be on every night at exactly 8 PM (I think) PST to turn in your fruit or you're screwed. Even then, there's no guarentee it will work. Add to that, if castles change hands, the whole thing gets f-ed over.

[bekkar]

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It's just sad. Everyone was saying "try this it's great" and i can't even try it.

[/ QUOTE ] If the option is available, it can be the most profitable for the smallest amount of extra work. It usually isn't available, in my experience, but it doesn't make it a poor suggestion--it's always worth a shot, it's just not a magic bullet.

[Populater]

Just do what I do and don't worry about the manor. I have the same problem with availability and time issues. To make money, I just play around killing different mob areas until I find one where I can grind on green/whites with minimal downtime for a couple levels. Once I find a good area I personally stick to it and don't spam SS unless I get in trouble. Otherwise sometimes I try to space out using SS ( like once per mob or something) so that I have more uptime but can still make some decent cash. The trick is to find the area where you can kill as many mobs in as short of time as possible while trying to keep uptime as high as possible.

[Sovrath]

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It's just sad. Everyone was saying "try this it's great" and i can't even try it.

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I've had issues with the manor as well but not really bot issues. I've never been able to understand it, especially when I'm buying one thing.. it says it should give me "x" mat, but it doesn't.

Then I bought a certain fruit that was "right" for my lvl and the lvl of mob and I just kept going through them without one working.

After a while I just gave up and went back to my dwarf making D shots.

[FelineFury147]

Is it 8pm game time or 8pm eastern time or some other random time?

[Ledaa]

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I wish you people would stop blaming sold out seeds on bots. I've hunted/trained bots for a while, and I've never seen one use a seed...

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then why are there always bunch of bot named chars right next to manor guy standing right before the reset, and me not being able to turn my fruts in for more then a week, then I just gave up and now tghe rewards hed changed for that crop, so now i'm stuch with ~1k red cobols, alongside to my 1k of chily codas, but those I just store for better times, new castle lords got reward to half of what there before :(

[Ledaa]

it's 11pm eastern.

[FelineFury147]

lmao sure, i'll stay up till 11 and go to work tomorow. Nice one ncsoft.

[Woodsman]

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lmao sure, i'll stay up till 11 and go to work tomorow. Nice one ncsoft.

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It can be worse.

For me it is somewhere in the middle of the night. 5 am or something. For Europeans, the manor system is a big impossible. Only a happy few can profit from it. So forget it and concentrate on other means to make money.

[r_wrong]

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then why are there always bunch of bot named chars right next to manor guy standing right before the reset, and me not being able to turn my fruts in for more then a week,...

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not everyone puts effort into imaginitive names for thier storage dwarfs.

[Ledaa]

And also puts an effort to drese those in high end D gear ;)

[bekkar]

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not everyone puts effort into imaginitive names for thier storage dwarfs.

[/ QUOTE ]And also puts an effort to drese those in high end D gear ;)

[/ QUOTE ] Who told you my secret plan to leave a dwarf at level 20 for months on end?

[Kruken]

Its very hard to make a decent amount of adena in this game if your just the average player. Im not saying it cant be done but it is dificult. I make most of my adena off events. I tried the manor system bought seeds farmed the fruit but could never sell it back tell the castle owner changed and ended up loosing adena. I am addicted to Bsps and can 2 shot most mobs white or green. I try to find mobs that drop more adena than I am spending using the Bsps. If I kill a mob with 2 shots thats about 640 adena and at my lvl now I get an average of 1500 adena per mob so it is coming in slowly. I also try to have a decent amount of adena on me at all times incase I run into that great deal in giran (by low sell high)

There are many ways just find out what your play style alows for. When im on playing I grind when I go to bed or work I have an afk shop in town selling. The adena will come just have to have patients.

[Xanthus_]

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And also puts an effort to drese those in high end D gear ;)

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Actually this is for a good reason. I've been threatened with PK several times when buying out or selling out a manor seed/fruit quicker than the guy standing next to me. I've known a few people to simply gear an alt up to level 25 or so with a bot-like name, simply so people don't bother them while they do their seeds.

Simply put, yes you see people with bot names buy seeds....but follow that character one day, see where they go...do they act like a bot? Do they perhaps wait for you to stop following them?

And more importantly, have YOU ever seen a bot use a seed? :cool:

[AlphaCentori]

No I think he was referring to players using 3rd party program to sell/buy the best stuff at the very reset..

Anyway, bot or not, legit or not, the Manor System is a forced trade that has nerfed the entire community, for the only profit of a small part if it.

Hearing those who benefit from it saying "you just need to be there on time" reminds me the 60+ pkers in Elven Village, saying to the nearby pked noobs "you just need to lvl" : the same blindness :)

[_Charmille_]

For all those crying about times: TEON. There's an euro server for a reason. Manor times, siege times etc are all set for europeans. Dont cry about the time if you go to a non Euro server.

Secondly, manor is a great income even if you cant get the very best seeds. The others produce lots of mats too, and thats always better than nothing. If you got so lousy castle holders that they dont set manor up correctly, well... GATHER UP AND KICK THEM OUT OF THE CASTLE. Manor is profitable to both the lord and players using it if set up properly(been there done that. Hate making castle products T_T OH WHY NCSoft cant there be a "make 100x of selected product" in manor?!)

I'll use Red Cobol as example, Dion region. Seed price is 50a, buypack price for crops was 100 or something, dont remember(wasnt my manor). So, you used 20 seeds to get enough crops for 1 enria. 1k for 1 enria that goes for 10-14k on market, wanna say this aint profitable? And yes, Red Cobol was a seed that wasnt so popular. There's always seeds in every manor that aint popular, but that can make alot of profit. Gludio has Chilly coda(popular) for ori ore, but it has desert coda(not so popular) for adamantite nuggets, and those are nice profit too.

Alot depends on the castle lords, so if the manors at your servers suck, start sharpening those swords ;)

Manor is perhaps one of the easiest ways, it just needs some understanding and a good setup from the lords. Blaime them, not the system.

[AlphaCentori]

[...]some understanding and a good setup from the lords [...] and also:

The proper crop/seed for your level, at the proper mobs you're hunting, at the proper "friendly area" (hard to seed in the enemy zone), at the proper time (to buy them in sufficient quantity) and of course: you got to do it EVERY Fraking* days!

Easy as a pie indeed.. way much easier than C2 and 10 enria droping from a 60ish mob.. it worth every bites of it; indeed.




* special thanks to Battlestar Galactica here :p

[MalineII]

You don't have to interact with the manor NPCs every day at all in a well set up manor area. It's not difficult to find a seed for your level range either - you can use lower seeds with slightly higher fail rate to get multiple harvests, or ones that are closer to your level for 'relaxed' hunting (or for use on higher level mobs).

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OH WHY NCSoft cant there be a "make 100x of selected product" in manor?!)

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Fixed in C4. <3