PoFire vs CoVictory

[Nya]

Prophecy of Fire (Hierophant):
Uses 5 spirit ore. Lasts 5 minutes.
Cooldown 50 seconds. Costs 72 MP
Increases HP, Pdef, Pattack, Attack Speed, Accuracy
Decreases movement speed

Chant of Victory (Doomcryer):
Uses 40 spirit ore. Lasts 5 minutes.
Cooldown 20 minutes (decreases significantly with WIT and buffs.. less than 5 min cooldown possible)
Increases Pattack, Mattack, Pdef, Mdef, Accuracy, Attack speed, Casting speed, Crit rate, Crit power, HP (approx. effect of BTB5)
Decreases movement speed
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Just wanna ask if its only me who dont see any reason why take prophet (78) instead of WC (78) in group / siege / festival /pvp /...

CoV includes everything what PoF has and many more (mdef, matk, casting speed, crit rate, crit power..), CoF can be buffed instantly, i will buff group serveral minutes becuase of cooldown, CoV can be (with casting speed bonuses) recasted before it fades, 40 spirit ore is not issue as well on higher lvl...

Will we see only "GLF WC", "Sry we need WC" etc.

So after 56-78 lvls of nothing for prophet (xcepet btb/bts woot), i will get nice buff which is totaly worthless in comparison with WC's CoV, especialy if Prophecies dont stack (and they dont)

Prophets are known as whiners, so I wanna ask, is it only my wrong view , or you see something wrong too?

[_Charmille_]

Nah, prophets are useless pretty much :) potions make up for the lack of haste on other healer/buffer types and that CoV just looks too sweet ;) you guys need some loving from NCSoft, same goes for a few other classes too... guess they dont like prophets ^^

[Torg]

Essentially prophets get to go through what Warcryers went through when the prophet buffs were all higher intensity.

I'm not saying that I don't feel for you but they really need to separate out the buffers and offer more unique buffs. Maybe give a few more interesting buffs to the EE as well.

[Nya]

Dunno what to think about our Korean L2 Devs, i would say it but i would be banned then...

Chant of Victory - WC
Originally Posted by Tokara
+8% p atk
+16% p def
+9 crit rate
+4 acc
+20% atk speed
+16% m atk
+16% m def
+20% cast speed
-24 run speed
+25% hp (it heals as it casts)
+10% crit dmg


Prophecy of Fire - prophet
I thought proph is designed as pure but best buffer
+8% p atk
+16% p def
+4 acc
+20% atk speed
+25% hp (it DOES NOT heal as it casts)
-x run speed

+CoV can be buffed to full group, i cant buff whole group, cuz first PoF will fade before I will be able to buff last PoF

[Varaya]

Yes, the prophecy buffs are sucky compared to CoV. And I do not really understand the "Essentially prophets get to go through what Warcryers went through when the prophet buffs were all higher intensity" part - do you suggest warcryers should have the same lvl buffs as a prophet of the same lvl AND be able to buff a whole party for less mp than the prophet? IMO it is bad enough that at lvl 74+ warcryers have the same lvl of buffs as prophets/SE/EE, they should have lower level versions. Prophet/SE/EE=single target buffs, but higher power, while warcryer/OL=party/alliance buffs, but lower power. That is IMO what it should be like, single target, high mp cost (for multiple targets), high power buffs vs. "quick and dirty" mass buffs. As it is right now, WC>all. The only disadvantage a WC has is in rebuffing when somebody dies/gets cancelled. Prophets really got shafted, they have NO interesting skills apart from BTB/BTS upgrades from 56 onwards, and when they get their ultimate buff in 78, it is far less powerful than what a MASS BUFFER gets.

Oh, and I haven't complained in a while about my lvl 78 buff, prophecy of wind. Basically the same thing here, crit power, crit rate, attack speed and all that, but CoV beats it by far. And who had the weird idea of giving the nuker buff (prophecy of water) not to the nuker buffer (SE) but instead to the EE? Sure, it makes EE more interesting, but do they think that nuker groups now skip the SE (and thereby empower) and instead take an EE? But maybe their plan is to have all nuker groups get an out of party SE for emp 3 and an EE for the rest. Lol, maybe they should put a warning sign to the prophet and SE classes, "not for actual live players, only useful as buff bot" :)

[WaRpZnEwt]

does PoF and CoV stack? if they do i can see why PoF has less effects

[Nya]

No, it doesnt stack
and even if it would i dont see why best and pure buffer classs should get worse buff than WC who is not pure buffer

[WaRpZnEwt]

I don't think its quite that bad other than lacking dw/focus on PoF prophets have block shield which is really nice so far it stacks with hex and really helps with the damage in pve, and pvp. My first subclass was a warcryer which i ultimately deleted at 61 due to lack of lvl3 offensive buffs until such late lvls. The only thing i see is CoV being a better pvp buff overall than PoF. As for xp parties i find prophets vastly superior.

Prophets get 77 levels of being better than warcriers (other than buffing a party slower). Orc shaman are a good combo of mage and support class and dd, they aren't really spectacular at doing any of those job specifically.

[DiNightcrawler]

For starters never compare a prophet to a wc. Warcryers heal,buff,fight and some tank. Last time i recall prophets buff and sit down because they lower men for wit and they have almost no mana to work with. There might be some that do otherwise so good luck on finding an albino flee on a white cat.

[TheIronGolem]

lol seems like so much prophet hate going on. I will agree that most prophets sitting down for 3 chronicles really killed thier playability. Its sad to watch a lvl 75 prophet not be able to buff a full party since they -men or other things. The other lvl 76 prophet I know can do all buffs for a full party without sitting and can regen mana enough while dding. (Yes its dding if she pulls hate from the daggers/archers). However I would agree that prophets need more class specific buffs or at least higher lvls than some green guy in a dress :). Plus I will never party a wc over a prophet for the simple fact that they are not very grp friendly. Either your mages get hosed or your dd's do. Over buff ftw!!!!

[Ventx]

At least you always need a Prophet for Bless Soul at raid bosses o.o Thats the only thing I can figure them for. Every use for a prophet is out of party buffer. I know it sucks, but hopefully prophet will get something in the future..

[SPS]

Prophets make the better active PvP buffers. WC can buff, then he has to wait like 5-10mins before using MP again. At least a prophet can constantly buff during sieges and such.

[Taraza]

Prophets are fine on MP with Song of Meditation :p

[Tokara]

it balances out I think.

PoF is only -12 run speed. In pve run speed is minimal but in pvp run speed is essential

PoF only has a 50 sec downtime while CoV has a 20 min downtime meaning u can buff PoF 5 times in the 5 min timer and I have to wait 15 MINS to buff it again. Of course this is without wit and cast speed bonuses. With +7 wit, and acu weap, Dance of concentration and song of renewal, I can buff it every 5 mins. Else than that there is always a time when the team doesn't have it. A prophet with the same equip/buffs could prolly buff 2 parties

[Stanimir]

1st; it's lame prophecy buffs dont stack.
2nd; only unique buff prophet has is bts (btb is given to SoES and bishop)
CoV reuse time under 5 min is possible so; it's like endless CoV for the party. Indeed need BD and SwS but most parties have them already.

[i wish to see a prophet pulling aggro from a dagger. (w/ equal buffs and the mob is not dagger res; and not -8str pls)]

[Nya]

[ QUOTE ]
it balances out I think.

PoF is only -12 run speed. In pve run speed is minimal but in pvp run speed is essential

PoF only has a 50 sec downtime while CoV has a 20 min downtime meaning u can buff PoF 5 times in the 5 min timer and I have to wait 15 MINS to buff it again. Of course this is without wit and cast speed bonuses. With +7 wit, and acu weap, Dance of concentration and song of renewal, I can buff it every 5 mins. Else than that there is always a time when the team doesn't have it. A prophet with the same equip/buffs could prolly buff 2 parties

[/ QUOTE ]

Buffing PoF to full group is 650mp every 5minutes
Its 2600 mp per buffround, do you think i can buff 2 full groups? I will ahve problems even with one group to regen enough mp. + i will be buffing every 20-40 seconds, so not much time for resting or something, + you can add some mp to heal added hp, cuz PoF doesnt heal it but CoV does. And PoF adds only 20% hp not 25%. And CoV has +casting speed included, so much easier to get casting speed required to buff it each 5minutes. and in PvP acumen/empower/mdef is the key

[Lord Chaos]

Btw, does it stack with other similar prophet buffs? (like BtB, etc.)

[Nya]

yes both CoV and PoF stacks with all other buffs except prophecies+CoV

[Lord Chaos]

It does seem like the Warcryer yet again got a one-up on the prophet.

Prophets (Hierophants) are ending up being good for nothing but out of party buffbots. :(

[_Charmille_]

It's all good ;) They're just following the lore: Orcs > Humans hoho.

GREEN POWER!

[Taraza]

[ QUOTE ]
It's all good ;) They're just following the lore: Orcs > Humans hoho.

GREEN POWER!

[/ QUOTE ]

ORC!!!!!!


Anyway people do realize that SE/EE can recharge ANYBODY and NOT JUST NUKERS?!! lol. I'm so sick of people concerning this topic seriously. I say one of the largest downfalls to mages is downtime and MP reliance, peopel say "well we got rechargers". Then we got fools saying they can't have more than 5 song/dance up and people saying a Prophet has to sit. NO!!! you CAN have more than 5 song/dance up, you CAN have a Prophet contribute damage, you CAN buff MANY groups as one Prophet as long as you can get recharged. I'm so sick of this SE/EE recharge ONLY for nukers. Its one thing that gives nukers an edge and people REFUSE to let other classes take advantage of it. Jesus Christ!!!

[Lord Chaos]

Yes, but rechargerate is alot less on those characters, they don't get the skill that increases recharge rates.

While its possible to keep these people up by recharging, you're then taking out an SE/EE in the party, that could have been used for healing or otherwise.

[TheIronGolem]

[ QUOTE ]

[i wish to see a prophet pulling aggro from a dagger. (w/ equal buffs and the mob is not dagger res; and not -8str pls)]

[/ QUOTE ]

hmm you on kain? Plus let me add the prophet wields Tal*DLE +3 atm and I belive the dagger she was with had an oe kris.

[SPS]

Comparing S grade to B grade is stupid imo.

[TheIronGolem]

not comparing the weapons we were comparign the fact that the prophet who chooses to wieeld a wpn and the dagger who has chosen to wield a wpn that are close in lvls, the Prophet can at times pull hate form a dagger. This being based on random observation of a catacomb grp.

Oh and sps your one sentance comment is does nothing to add to this off topic convo or the topic of the OP. Therefore you are the less intelligent one.

[SPS]

I dont think so. If you want to compare classes then make it under equal terms or go home. A lvl 76 dagger with a S grade dagger will never lose hate to a lvl 76 prophet with a S grade weapon. A dagger rarely loses agro anyway seeing as 1/3 hits are crits which do insane damage.

[Veansa]

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Oh and sps your one sentance comment is does nothing to add to this off topic convo or the topic of the OP. Therefore you are the less intelligent one.

[/ QUOTE ]

And how did THAT add to the topic, oh intelligent one?

[Stanimir]

>>hmm you on kain? Plus let me add the prophet wields Tal*DLE +3 atm and I belive >>the dagger she was with had an oe kris.
Well I am not;
do you know approximate lvl of dagger, do you know if the dagger was in DD setup (i.e -CON, or at least not +con), considering the prophet is 76 if the dagger is lower misses might make it for that.
Was the prophet at the back of the mob (crit chance increases) and got 3 lucky critical hits in a row?
Honestly I'd never believe a 76 dagger w/ OE'd kris/focus (pls +8 at least - 192pattck to call it OE'd) and 300 crit rate would lose aggro to a prophet (unless uses switch :P).
Using OE'd kris is justified since w/ attack speed close to 900 (w/ fury dance, haste2,zerk) daggers tend to spend the most on soulshots.

[Taraza]

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Yes, but rechargerate is alot less on those characters, they don't get the skill that increases recharge rates.

While its possible to keep these people up by recharging, you're then taking out an SE/EE in the party, that could have been used for healing or otherwise.

[/ QUOTE ]

The bonus is not that dramatic. And in most parties I play in the healer has full MP much too often, but I party with mostly heavy melee so....

[ChlorineL2]

[ QUOTE ]
lol seems like so much prophet hate going on. I will agree that most prophets sitting down for 3 chronicles really killed thier playability. Its sad to watch a lvl 75 prophet not be able to buff a full party since they -men or other things. The other lvl 76 prophet I know can do all buffs for a full party without sitting and can regen mana enough while dding. (Yes its dding if she pulls hate from the daggers/archers). However I would agree that prophets need more class specific buffs or at least higher lvls than some green guy in a dress :). Plus I will never party a wc over a prophet for the simple fact that they are not very grp friendly. Either your mages get hosed or your dd's do. Over buff ftw!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]proph will never pull hate unless it's using a bow (or melee) and hits the mob before the party reaches it and happens to crit, in which case the proph is not dd'ing correctly (though it's still fun to do occasionally :) ) I tell you this from personal experience.

sry let's do the math

proph = 22 base str (+7 possible str (tallum/maj) +4 possible dex is usually highest dd output) + weak generalized masteries
fighters = 36-41 base str (race) and same possible increase and MUCH more powerful masteries

a prophet with same equip will never pull hate off a dd unless they hit first, it might happen in a duo/trio, because of critical luck, but in a large party there will always be a dd who crits more, and harder - the proph can use bow, but I mentioned that above - also magic mobs tend to ignore physical damage and randomly hit people - regardless of damage output, distance is more of a factor.

[Kronine]

You don't need to PoF an entire group, unless your healer or sleeper or yourself feel the need to melee mobs -- useless.

Regardless there's no doubt CoV is better, but I don't think there will be that many 78 buffers so it barely matters. People will take what they can get~~