Unlock?

[WaRpZnEwt]

i was looking foward to getting a chance to finally using this skill since when treasure chests were added i was higher lvl than any of boxes. I took a stab at the high lvl boxes at Varka Silenos outpost using 170 keys(that cost me 280k) and got 17 mithril arrows and 10k adena from the chests.

I have a feeling if i invested 5million into keys i might get lucky and get an EW-A which i could have just bought in the first place for that much ;(

Is there any actually profittable benefit to spending hours unlocking boxes with 40% of my weight in keys lol.

[SlyCutter]

ya only use keys on treasure boxes not treasure chests. Treasure chests are mobs

[WaRpZnEwt]

o rly?!

are they usualy mixed in near treasure chests?

do they attack you?

and..... do they look the same?

[SlyCutter]

they look the same but one are called treasure chests (mobs) the ones that have enchants and adena in them are called treasure boxs they are usually mixed in with each other.

[WaRpZnEwt]

(if) they dont attack me this might be useful, otherwise i have to run around silent walking with full buffs just so they dont beat the hell out of me. The chests i had to fight were destroying me :o

[Torg]

Ok maybe you're just not getting it.

If the mob name is 'Treasure Box' it will be never attack you and usually open with the unlock skill (unless the skill fails which happened occasionally on test).

If the mob name is 'Treasure Chest' it will always attack you (if you attempt to unlock otherwise they're non-aggressive) and unlock will always fail. There is no point to even attempting to unlock these.

These were a great way to make money on test but I fear that at 1x drop rates they won't be nearly as profitable.

[Freakazoid]

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(if) they dont attack me this might be useful, otherwise i have to run around silent walking with full buffs just so they dont beat the hell out of me. The chests i had to fight were destroying me :o

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Boxes do not attack or fight back, Chests are not aggro, but do fight back. However if there is no box in the area you might have to kill chests so that new boxes can spawn. It is random if the spawn creates a box or a chest. And yes chests hurt alot, especially if they crit. From my experience with PTS (and dividing the numbers by 10) i can't see how you can make money with hunting boxes. Drops seem to be way to rare and money way to few to get anything out of it. You can always try to use deluxe keys, but at least i can't image a promising 'business plan' based on the unluck skill.

[Xanthus_]

Personally I'm regarding the chest drops as a bug. In C3 I routinely unlocked lvl 52 chests in Devil's Isle. The chests there, when they succeeded, dropped about 25k-35k adena and usually a few expensive mats as well, like top B weapon mats. Or 5-10 silver, or 3 SOP, stuff like that.

So, 16k on keys...60% pop open, the cash breaks about even and you made a nice profit on the mats. I heard of people getting full weapon drops from the chests, but I never did.

Now, on Live C4, level 60+ chests cost 22k to open and drop 2k adena and nothing else???

Personally I think it's bugged and the chests are dropping MOB drops instead of CHEST drops. (And yes, I'm only unlocking BOXES, but I still refer to them all as chests)

Please, for the love of god NCSoft, just remove the unlock skill and give me my money back, fix the chests, or give me something else usefull to do with the skill!!! ****it! :mad:

[Schmusekatze]

While speaking of "fixing the chests" I am pretty sure, that the name difference between real chests and mimics is a bug and will be fixed soon. They are supposed to be unable to tell apart by any means.

Personally I always thought, that the server decides on the unlock, if the chest is a mimic or not. Never knew, that the mimics are indeed already on the field, waiting to be activated.

Chest Kitten

[SsxSin]

i thought that only certain classes could open these chests?
I'm an SR and i have the unlock skill too...but i haven't been able to get any "treasures" yet....
very dissapointing
i'mm using Unlock with 4 key of thief...should i be using the keys that drops and double clicking them? or am i using the skill right?

[_Charmille_]

Well, hate aura seems to trigger the mimics too :) Was kinda funny when some darn chests started running to the tank with the rest of the mobs. Was kinda , the chests are attacking!!" :P But seriously, the drops suck from those boxes you unlock :P Yaayyy, 5k adena from a box at the top of ToI, gg almost worth the effort.

[Xanthus_]

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gg almost worth the effort.

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Not even. :(

[Xanthus_]

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Customer ([removed]) 02/10/2006 07:02 AM
I beleive that the drop for unlocking treasure chests are bugged now in Chronicle 4. When unlock treasure chests is costs me 11 key of theif at about 1,600a a peice (roughly 17,600 adena). In C3 I unlocked chests in Devil's Isle which were about level 52 and they dropped about 25,000 to 35,000 adena a peice, as well as other materials. Now in C4 level 60+ treasure BOXES are only dropping 2,000 adena and not usually anything else. Treasure CHESTS are no longer dropping anything, they simply turn into mobs. I think perhaps the drops for the treasure BOXES were accidentally replaced with normal monster drops. It has to be a bug that unlocking a treasure chest gets you only about 1/10th of what you pay to open them. At current the unlock skill is reduced to complete meaninglessness, which saddens me, as I always enjoyed the skill. Please look into this matter. Thank you.

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Response (GM Meridian) 02/10/2006 07:56 AM
Hello [removed],

Thank you for contacting Lineage 2 Support. Regarding the opening of treasure boxes, please note that the use of the unlock skill in conjunction with 'Key of Thief' is only one way to open these boxes. Hunting in the area that a particular box is found will yield special keys that can be used to unlock the box. As for the differences between treasure boxes and treasure chests, this is considered gameplay information and we cannot discuss the matter as it must be discovered by players without GM intervention. However I can assure you that the system is working as intended. Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Thank you for playing Lineage 2 Support
GM Meridian

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Ok, what I'm getting from reading between the lines here, and I MAY be completely off track...I sometimes am...is that normal keys = boxes. Unlock+Key of theif is supposed to be for Chests??

Has ANYONE managed to get anything out of a CHEST using unlock? And, if so, what? How much adena? Any other drops?

I don't have the disposable cash to buy a buncha keys and test a buncha chests...but if someone does, and could...?

[Freakazoid]

No, he states that you can either use keys of thief + unlock skill or deluxe keys (which sometimes drop from monsters) to open up the boxes. And he's not commenting what exactly is the difference between boxes and chests, but from everything i heard and saw its box = good, chest = bad.

[Torg]

Don't mess with 'treasure chests' unless you are trying to clear a field so more 'treasure boxes' will spawn.

Treasure chests are always mobs. Always. I attempted to unlock about 20 of them on PTS because some people in the alliance wanted me to try it. Treasure chests always attacked me.

Treasure boxes will never attack. If you hit a treasure box it will simply disappear. The unlock skill will either succeed (opening the chest) or fail (you'll hear a chime and the box will just disappear).

Drops -
Level 50-60 Boxes - Oel Mahum (North of Ivory Tower)
Enchant Weapon C/Enchant Armor C

Level 60-70 Boxes - Cemetary/Outside Giant's Cave (Valley of the Saints too I believe)
Enchant Weapon B/Enchant Armor B

Level 70-75 Boxes - Blazing Swamps
Enchant Weapon A/Enchant Armor A

Level 75+ Boxes - Imperial Tomb
Enchant Weapon S/Enchant Armor S

The drops happened pretty frequently on Test.
20-30 unlocks at 75 on 70-75 boxes in BS grade would yield usually 4-5 EA-A scrolls. Now on live this means you'll be opening 200-300 boxes to get the same thing so you'll have to determine for yourself if that's worthwhile.

The archer unlock skills fail by the way. I was with a silver ranger that attempted using their skill and it failed everytime that she tried. I'm not saying you can't try it but it doesn't seem to work.

Lower level boxes have a much higher drop rates but it will still be much lower on live then on the test server. You should only open boxes that con-white or green... the boxes follow the same con/drop rules as mobs. Deluxe Keys work more reliably then unlock and have no chance to fail on the open (they can still open an empty box though, this happened on test occasionally). From what we could tell in the alliance on test, Deluxe keys of any grade will work on any box.

[Valdis]

Alright, I went out with 50 keys of thief on my level 27 scout. And here's my findings in PH (white chests and boxes):

Treasure Chests - 5 attempted, 5 attacked me
Treasure Boxes - 20 attempted, 9 failed (which is about 50% as the skill says it should work). Rewards totalled 7,280 from the other 11 chests. No mats or other drops.
Key Cost - 65,000

I also got 1 deluxe key as a drop, it worked, and gave 557, about what I got from the unlock skill.

Conclusions: Not only is unlock not worth the cost of the keys, it may not even be worth the mp it takes. With that mp, I would have gotten better returns from shooting mobs with my bow. My suggestion, do not use unlock.

NCSoft, with my next subscription renewal, you will find a bill for the 58k adena for this test. I hope payment is prompt :p

[WaRpZnEwt]

went and tried some more only opening chest boxes

lol unlock (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/WarpedNewt/lolunlock.jpg)

[Xanthus_]

I don't get it, you failed a bunch, one succeeded with a craptastic drop and then you got something that you put red over so we couldn't see it....

....ummmm what's that supposed to mean? :confused:

[Freakazoid]

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Level 70-75 Boxes - Blazing Swamps
Enchant Weapon A/Enchant Armor A

Level 75+ Boxes - Imperial Tomb
Enchant Weapon S/Enchant Armor S


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Actually the chest level range is spread out alot wider in BS then you're writing here. I found chests from dark blue to white on my lvl 76 char. Whites did drop EWS/EAS, green EWA/EAA... i didn't try out the dark/light blue ones much.

[Warper]

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I don't get it, you failed a bunch, one succeeded with a craptastic drop and then you got something that you put red over so we couldn't see it....

....ummmm what's that supposed to mean? :confused:

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With 17 keys per attempt you won't make your money back unless you get big drop. What's 17 keys? Just 21,5k adena. You will get 6,5k back if you succeed in opening. Apparently, rewards are too smal for efforts invested in.

I tried unlock in C3 near Dion. It was 2 keys per attempt, like 50% mimics, like 90% success on actual boxes. More than half of boxes got some money (around 3k per attempt and may be some mats). Not to say it was very profitable business, but so-so chances in a little gambling.
But now boxes are like slot machine where you lose more than bet even if you win something. Only jackpot will make it worthful, but noone knows if it will happen.

Apparently deluxe keys might be useful, but still you can sell them to NPC store for some constant yet small summ

[WaRpZnEwt]

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I don't get it, you failed a bunch, one succeeded with a craptastic drop and then you got something that you put red over so we couldn't see it....

....ummmm what's that supposed to mean?


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the red was just some crap laying in the field that wasnt part of the unlocking.

I've been unlocking boxes in BS for the last 2 hours

nearly 100 boxes opened now and ive made about 40k adena but cost me over 2million lol.

another interesting thing is occasionally the box chimes at me after unlocking it.

[Torg]

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Level 70-75 Boxes - Blazing Swamps
Enchant Weapon A/Enchant Armor A

Level 75+ Boxes - Imperial Tomb
Enchant Weapon S/Enchant Armor S


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Actually the chest level range is spread out alot wider in BS then you're writing here. I found chests from dark blue to white on my lvl 76 char. Whites did drop EWS/EAS, green EWA/EAA... i didn't try out the dark/light blue ones much.

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Yeah I was trying to go from memory.

Top of BS was dark blue to a 76.
Ground level was light green to a 76.
To the East up on the hill (not really in the swamp but by the teleportation drop zone) were white boxes to a 76.

[Torg]

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I don't get it, you failed a bunch, one succeeded with a craptastic drop and then you got something that you put red over so we couldn't see it....

....ummmm what's that supposed to mean?


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the red was just some crap laying in the field that wasnt part of the unlocking.

I've been unlocking boxes in BS for the last 2 hours

nearly 100 boxes opened now and ive made about 40k adena but cost me over 2million lol.

another interesting thing is occasionally the box chimes at me after unlocking it.

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When I heard the chime on test it meant that I had failed. I wouldn't see the box opening animation it would simply disappear.

[WaRpZnEwt]

yea i noticed i didnt get a drop along side with the sound

[Spudnik]

a while back in C3 i made an assassin. got him to 30 and levelled unlock skill as much as possible at the time.

i cosistently returned 150% of my investment in keys just hunting from 20-28 in dion fields all the chests i could find. they opened for drops between 3-8k a, and stacks of mats. i even got a DSS recipe from one of them.

then i went to Partisan Hideaway and did the same thing on the chests there. not the same rates by far. i would buy 50 keys at a time, blow em all with no return, 50 keys again, then 100% return, with no conistency.

what i can suggest is to level some tank with a hate aura skill, have a backup with a sleepingcloud so hate aura/sleep cloud/drop them one by one and those who werent affected will be boxes and not chests.

those you can unlock with remote chance to fail.

[Torg]

There's no need for that kind of detective work at the moment.

Currently the naming convention is 'Treasure Box' can be unlocked with the skill or a deluxe key and never attack. 'Treasure Chest' will always attack and cannot be unlocked.

I'm not saying that its not a good idea. I'm just suggesting that at the moment its unnecessary.

[WaRpZnEwt]

mmm i cant seem to find anymore chest boxes in blasing swamps they've disapeared now after ive been unlocking them for several hours

So anyways i used 100 unlocks = 1700 keys of theif and got nothing but 5000-8000a every 3rd box or so.

[Torg]

Yeah, I did all of my testing on the PTS which means that the drop rates there were much higher. They do drop enchant scrolls but I'm willing to bet that they're rare.

I found unlocking light green boxes worked best btw (as far as unlock failures and drop rate).

If you run out of boxes you need to kill some of the chests. It seems that every spawn location has a random chance to spawn a box or a chest. If you can't find any boxes... kill the chests to try to get more boxes.

[Xanthus_]

The easiest fix to this I could see would be to just lower the price of keys of theif to like 160 from 1600.

I was getting 25-35k for 10 before, so getting 1/10th the loot wouldn't be horrible if they cost 1/10th the cost to open.

[WaRpZnEwt]

i really think the turnout is bad so far, ill try my other 1700 keys later if i still dont get anything thats basically

5m for 700k in box money.

Although 1 EW-A would actually get me a proftit but barely any. An EA-A would cut my losses at 3m. ;(

[PrivatePancak3s]

this unlock skill is a joke! horay for me on spending over 500k on keys... using 17 keys per one unlock!.. yeilding a grand total of around 40k in return... Thank god for the sp i spent on this useless skill!

[WaRpZnEwt]

yay 2700 keys later (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/WarpedNewt/Shot00041.jpg)

and yes i got the scroll, the lame part is if you're doing this with people that arent you're friends the drop doesnt goto you. After today i think this could be profitable to have enough keys with you to do chests every so often as long as the people yiou are partied with will let you have the scroll when they drop. Although even an EA-S will probably not be enough to cover the cost of unlocking. But as long as i can sort of maintain breaking even with EA-S and eventually getting a EW-S will be when i get profit.

[Kruken]

I opened or attacked every treasure chest/box I came accross on the PTS which was a lot. Never got anything beter than a weapon scroll from from opening them. Got adena alot and sometimes I would get mats. But killing chests I always got adena most of the time got mats and 1 time I got a pair of doom boots.

[Shazz]

I got an enchant weapon D from a Treasure Box using a grade 2 key I found from a mob near there.

[Wyzeguy]

I see the greater issue being
-- since everyone can open the same treasure boxes with deluxe keys
-- deluxe keys drop for free from mobs

why bother with unlock and paying adena for key of thief?

[Stanimir]

Top BS is white to 77.. Check the hill w/ overlords and shamans.
Hill checkboxes open for EAS. Got 6 on PTS.

[Xanthus_]

Argueably (probably NC's standpoint) one would bother with unlock as a way to get a steady supply of keys. The only problem with this idea is that the "keys" you get using unlock are so expensive as to nullify their usefullness...except maybe in lower levels. Apparently I heard from a friend of mine that on a low-level dagger, the EWD and EAD drop quite a bit out of the boxes.

[Torg]

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yay 2700 keys later (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/WarpedNewt/Shot00041.jpg)

and yes i got the scroll, the lame part is if you're doing this with people that arent you're friends the drop doesnt goto you. After today i think this could be profitable to have enough keys with you to do chests every so often as long as the people yiou are partied with will let you have the scroll when they drop. Although even an EA-S will probably not be enough to cover the cost of unlocking. But as long as i can sort of maintain breaking even with EA-S and eventually getting a EW-S will be when i get profit.

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Yeah... as a word of advice don't take people with you.

I never took people with me when I went to unlock chests on PTS because I'm a greedy jerk..
There were even quite a few fights in Blazing Swamps over the treasure boxes.

[Xanthus_]

This is another thing that sucks with the new box system...

SOLO only if you want even a CHANCE at profit.

Back in C3 I'd grab 300 keys, my buddy would grab 300 keys, and we'd shoot down into Devil's Isle for the lvl 52 chests and I'd pop them all while he watched my back, and we'd both make great money...now...it just sucks.