Chronicle 4 = the worst chronicle so far [Archive]

BlazerX

02-09-2006, 11:14 PM

Due to multiple bugs that should have been found out during testing, the worse GM service to date as well as really bad support.

It seems NCSOFT thinks throwing new chronicles at you and taking away customer service somehow makes more sense to make the customer happy? The customer service is at an all time low.

I have died soo many times in the first few days of this chronicle in my old hunting grouds that its not even funny. sometimes as much as 6 times in a row due to multiple bugs I have reported and yet the only answer I get back is, sorry we could not reproduce that bug so you are screwed. 6 deaths at high levels = almost 10 hours of grinding! What is going on?

bugs that go from severe lag, that somehow NCSOFT ALWAYS seem to blame on the client.

bugs like after being rezzed or logging into the game, the buffs that are on your bar are not in effect, althought clearly the graphical buffs are showing on your character! What is up with this?

I found out a really really painful bug. if yo have the gamepad option checked and didn't know it, your whole **** game ends up spinning and spinning and spinning. You cant even navigate. I've died several times to this and yet NCSOFT will not acknowledge this is a bug.

mobs spawning right on top of you right in the middle of you casting sleep on a mob?! What the hell is up with this? Yeah mobs spawn but right in the middle of me casting on a mob and right next to the mob I'm casting on and they are all aggro? This is the worse game design I have seen to date.

There are soo many bugs, I literally sick and tired of playing. Its getting depressing when your trying to solo in an area before where you were doing more than fine and suddently everything changes and your dying more than your gaining xp.

I am finding that the game is lacking in game design basics in a serious way. Also all these changes every chronicle is getting tiring in the sense of radical monster AI changes to certain mobs you are used to. So much so that 1 mistake will literally get you killed.

Also wanted to add, the new graphical cursor thing bugs the HELL out of me, yet there is no way for me to turn it off into flat mode? I've tried every **** clickable menu option in options and haven't found anything to turn the thing off. Am I just missing it or is there no way to turn that cursed 3D graphical pointer off? Its so *&&^^% distracting. It ****** me off that I have to use it over what worked before, a flat 2D graphical pointer that I had no problems with whatsoever.

Also what is up with the human mage(type) girl character's stance with no weapon equipped? Is there something wrong with her back? Maybe shes just shoving her teats up on someone's face or something? Seriously, this game has one of the best graphics ever, but the designers who put that into the game were trippin on some acid when they designed it.

Bluthusten

02-09-2006, 11:21 PM

Monster spawning on top of you while u are fighting others and they aggro?
I got that since I started playing in C1...

Client Lags?
Got those since I started playing...
I first noticed it when I started playing with 2 Accs on 2 PCs, one with no lag, the other with slight lags.

Ghost Buffs?
Annoying, but if they are "fo' real" just buff yourself with anything and voila they are back in effect.

For the "Gamepad Bug", yeh, that's a real bug.

admiral_ju00

02-09-2006, 11:27 PM

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bugs like after being rezzed or logging into the game, the buffs that are on your bar are not in effect, althought clearly the graphical buffs are showing on your character! What is up with this?

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Uhm, I don't know about you, but I had that problem through most of C3. Only a few weeks or so before C4 patch, did the Buffs I had before I logged out still were in affect after I logged back in.

And as a Ranger, I always check my buffs.

BlazerX

02-09-2006, 11:30 PM

yeah I reported that bug in c3, but like always NCSOFT support said they couldn't reproduce it so they wrote it off, even though its a more than acknowledge BUG by many who play the game.

Bluthusten

02-09-2006, 11:33 PM

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yeah I reported that bug in c3, but like always NCSOFT support said they couldn't reproduce it so they wrote it off, even though its a more than acknowledge BUG by many who play the game.

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But it still only happens one time out of thousands and can't be reproduced, so how can they fix something they can't locate?

It's just like beeing on a sinking ship, shouting at the people "FIX THE HOLE WE ARE SINKING" and when the answer is "We can't find the hole." still to demand "[censored] JUST FIX IT!"...
And then afterwards just notice that the ship is sinking because well, it's raining too heavy...

BlazerX

02-09-2006, 11:57 PM

sure they could fix it. thats why its a program. Theres a solution as long as it can be built. good programmers figure out the solutions and get paid big $$$. Why do you think the Tech Industry is so big?

Anyway, if they can't find an easy solution, they should just get rid of the buffs when you log out. It makes more sense.

TailChaser

02-10-2006, 12:08 AM

Hehe try xping where I am. Mobs that summon other mobs and those mobs cast HATE!!!! Worst the blasted things teleport around. I got ping-ponged with hate between two mobs and it was pretty messy since I had other mobs to deal with at the time. Yeah I lived but there needs to be a dice roll to resist hate versus mobs. They're landing it on me EVERYTIME. Yeah, nerf the hate that mobs have.

Bluthusten

02-10-2006, 01:16 AM

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Why do you think the Tech Industry is so big?

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A big pile of sh... attracts a lot of flies...
There are very few applications out there that are made of
real good code, most purely suck.

Anyway, if you can't find a reason, you can't fix it.
If the code is correct, the problem may be the client computer
the connection or what-so-many other things...

"Getting rid of buffs when logging out" sounds kinda ok to me,
but when u are in a group, crash and then log back in the hell
of fast as you could and stand there unbuffed in a big pile of
[censored] and noone can buff you up, it really would be... mean.
The other thing is, this system would be open for "Bot-Exploits"
they'd just login/logout/login/logout their SwS/BD and get a
lot of dances "for free" though, when it removes Buffs, it also
removes De-Buffs so when u are paralyzed, u just log out, log
in, the enemies paralyze, still got CD, but u are there, without
paralyze...

Torqq

02-10-2006, 01:30 AM

I have different reasons for C4 being the worst chronicle ever:

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- Ranged vs melee DD class problem is even worse in C$ instead of better

- Hot Spring buff lasts one hour and gives overpowered nukers a HUGE bonus. Everyone knows that ever nuker will visit Hot Springs before a siege to get this stupid overpowered buff.

- Hacing to force attack to attack a war tag is really REALLY annoying

- Grinding at levels 75+ is ridiculously slow. In a full party, which usually take at least 1 hour to setup, XP in the best areas is about 1% an hour. Yea, I want to go to sieges and die 10 times and lose 10 hours of grinding. Sorry, this is a joke. Losing XP at levels 75+ is so painful I don't even want to play anymore.

- Nothing added to prevent botting and cheating. You know exactly what I mean. I see bots everywhere, and I also see enemies botting afk 24/7.

- Focus on Drakonc bow. Just what the other set of overpowered classes needed.

- Cancel land chance isn't nerfed AT ALL! It still lands 100% of the time, even when a level 48 nukers casts it on a L76 players. The only change is that it leaves a whopping 4-6 buffs left. Nice balance there NC. And thanks for adding a cancel skill to 4-5 other classes.

- Recordings suck. Where is the player's hotbar, their target, their party names, their chat box, and where are character names????

- Pet+summon SS. Nice one. Now pets and summons are better than the pathetic melee DD characters. This really isn't a probably with pet SS, but rather a big problem with really bad melee DD classes.

- Level 76+ skills are all the same across similar classes. All archers get the same skills, all dagger get the same skills, and nukers get the same spells with a different element (wow!), all tanks get simialr skills, glad / tyrant get the same skills, dwavres get the same skills. The only TRUELY unique skills are on Warlord and destroyer.

- Prophets still suck. A WC is better and so is an OL. Prophets are a joke.

- BSOEs are still in the game. They are too easy to get and too quick to use. There's barely any PVP in this game. Either remove the BSOE or lower the XP loss in PVP. No one fights anymore. Fighting is fun, but no one does it unless they know they can win.

- After you take a step and look at C4, there really isn't much more to do other than an endless grind. give us some fun PVP type things to do. The Olympiad doesn't qualify, since only 2% of the players can participate.

- No customizable GUI. Let me bind my own **** keys as I like.

- The Necropolis and catacombs are still bad. They are a haven for bots and a royal pain to hunt in for real parties. They also all looks exactly the same.

- Why the heck is there a E,S,W letter on the compass still?
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I'm ready for C5, but only if it's much different than C4.

SoulMagic

02-10-2006, 01:41 AM

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bugs like after being rezzed or logging into the game, the buffs that are on your bar are not in effect, althought clearly the graphical buffs are showing on your character! What is up with this?

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This can be fixed by disarming a piece of jewelry or something and putting it back. The buffs are somehow reacivated by doing that.

BlazerX

02-10-2006, 01:51 AM

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Why do you think the Tech Industry is so big?

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A big pile of sh... attracts a lot of flies...
There are very few applications out there that are made of
real good code, most purely suck.

Anyway, if you can't find a reason, you can't fix it.
If the code is correct, the problem may be the client computer
the connection or what-so-many other things...

"Getting rid of buffs when logging out" sounds kinda ok to me,
but when u are in a group, crash and then log back in the hell
of fast as you could and stand there unbuffed in a big pile of
[censored] and noone can buff you up, it really would be... mean.
The other thing is, this system would be open for "Bot-Exploits"
they'd just login/logout/login/logout their SwS/BD and get a
lot of dances "for free" though, when it removes Buffs, it also
removes De-Buffs so when u are paralyzed, u just log out, log
in, the enemies paralyze, still got CD, but u are there, without
paralyze...

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haha if your in the tech industry you better thank the lucky starst that there is soo much bad code out there, cause without it you wouldn't be employed lol.

ironic.

Schmusekatze

02-10-2006, 02:52 AM

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sure they could fix it. thats why its a program. Theres a solution as long as it can be built. good programmers figure out the solutions and get paid big $$$. Why do you think the Tech Industry is so big?

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Development in computer science comes with 3 test sequences all in quality assurance:
1. desktop test (the programmer(s) read the printout of their own code and look for obvious flaws)
2. black box test (you take modules of the program and feed it data, then look for the resulting data. If the output is what you expected for that input, the module works as intended)
3. white box test (done, when the black box test failed - you still feed the module with input, but you look at the interior of the module at each line of code, what it does to the inout to produce the flawed output)

For a release version, we can be pretty sure, that all black box tests were passed for all changes made with C4. The programmers were giving their GO and the qualitiy assurance were also giving their GO. This of course does not mean, that the software is bug-free, it just means, that under regular circumstances the modules are working as intended.

Now in the consumer test (that is what we are doing, while using the software), we find bugs. And if we find a bug with buffs, we can describe it as best as we can, so that the programmers look at the modules for these parts again.
They will again run black box tests with the input you provided and will see, if the output is correct or flawed.

In your case the input you provided was used and did not produce any flawed results. The tests were repeated a couple of times and the input was even changed a bit to see, if other variables influence the matter.

Then after testing various inputs and not getting any flawed output, the quality assurance calls a problem as "not reproducable".

That does not mean, that a bug is not there, it does only mean, that the bug is so rare, that it could not be found, as the circumstances, under which the bug comes into effect, could not be simulated.

If it happens again and it happens to more people, more data will be poured into the testing logic and at some point, the black box test will fail. Then the programmers will go to the white box test again and will debug exactly that part of their code, that they need to find the bug in.

Programming a MMORPG is not something like a "Hello World !" project. There are thousands lines of code and many different modules and many different programmers.
And programming is all about exceptions. Every fool can program a module, which does something with correct input. The most time is spent on what the module does with incorrect input. And somewhere in some deeply clustered exception handling there is the bug you mention and that is not just "found and fixed". You cannot seep through the whole code, cause of some bug.

Computer Science Kitten

Valdis

02-10-2006, 03:56 AM

My own complaints:

1) our alliance leader had one of his toons stuck at the race track for almost 24 hours unable to leave.
2) I have yet to leave a shop up overnight and not have it crash before anything sells.
3) During our level 4 clan quest last night my computer actually black screened for the first time ever and wouldn't respond. I haven't seen the old DOS cursor in ages.
4) The adventurer guide is wrong most of the time about raid boss locations.
5) The dot for where party members are is off by enough to make it mostly useless.
6) EE's got nerfed (very slightly). We're already regarded as one of the worst classes, like we needed something else to make us less useful.
7) Quests have sent certain mat prices through the roof. Need thread? Good luck. I hope this is temporary.
8) Spoilers crash party members.

The beginning bugs (and the last one) up there are pretty serious ones that can stop you from playing at all. Its really inexcusable. NCSoft, you have a test server to weed out these bugs. You should have used it.

Law

02-10-2006, 04:22 AM

Every Game has a bug or 2. I think before you guys start worring about bugs should worry about bots first. What's the point to play a game and level up when botters just bot their level up without getting banned? Lost the whole point of gaming.

I am willing to wait even if the game has few bugs it's acceptable but botters just not acceptable.

Ashka

02-10-2006, 04:35 AM

oh wow.

Well, the only bug you (the OP) said is the camera spinning; The others are bad luck and a Korean way of being hardcore. The game is that way and wont change..

Now, again, whats weong with the cursor?
its nice and dont fade way, this way you really know where you clicked; Give a time to it and youll get used to it. I dont know why ppl complain so much about it -.-

Ferine

02-10-2006, 05:48 AM

C4 contains some good patches, but also some totally stupid things that make the game majorly imbalanced and ruin it totally.

1) Zerk is almost equal to curse gloom:

I tested this out in the arena, I zerked myself and my m.def went down around 150 points (from 912), then I died it off and got a necro to curse gloom me..... M.def went down 180 points. I mean what was wrong with the skill??? It's now 40 points less than curse gloom totaly ruining it being one of the only decent buffs for melee to combat nukers.

2) Force attack in clan war

I mean come on, as if with the flagging and pink discreet tag it wasn't hard enough, force attacking is really hard to use and makes the pvp controls immensely clumsy.. GJ for wrecking a good system.

3) Fishing is easier to bot than do legit.

It annoys me so much that I have to go and hunt for a few hours to get some fish shots so I can blow them fishing, when people running bot programs can simply stand there getting 100% catches without fish SS. Why make it so hard for us to do without SS?

4) Everything in the game is for nukers.

All the new mobs I have seen are PHYSICAL RESIST. Very few are mage resist. Hotsprings buffs are mage buffs, only 1 is for melee, which has decrease evasion with it... I mean Why do mages not get a downside???????????

5) No more drops??

Hunting in new and old areas alike I have noticed that the droprate is either really low or just plain changed. Hardly any key mats drop or spoil and if they do it is a stem or thread and only happens 1/40th of the amount of the time it used to. Are you just handing this game to farmers.. it's appauling. :mad:

Schmusekatze

02-10-2006, 06:00 AM

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3) Fishing is easier to bot than do legit.

It annoys me so much that I have to go and hunt for a few hours to get some fish shots so I can blow them fishing, when people running bot programs can simply stand there getting 100% catches without fish SS. Why make it so hard for us to do without SS?

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I got a success quota of rougly 95% on fishing without having to bot. And I use the FS to fish faster and bigger fishes, than would be possible without them.
Also I have yet to see one fishing bot.

Fisherman's Kitten

Helldereth

02-10-2006, 06:00 AM

Wow!!
by looking at this thread, i can only think of one thing: Ive been lucky i guess..

Everything runs smotthly now with C4, graphics are hot, content of the chronicle is more then i can handle right now... (i havent tried everything out yet)

I really think that this Chronicle is a very good one... honest.... i cant find anything major or troublesome enuff to complain about it... yet... anyways...

Im enjoying myself very much with this new chronicle.....
Just wish i was a lil higher then 60 right now, so i can look at the new map area.... but other then that ive been having a blast.....

Luve: new pets, new armor textures for my prophet in heavy armor, luve the new land mass, luve graphics, new interfaces changes, probably guna luve finshing to :P, luve C4 i guess.....

Sry for being a lil positive here, but theres alot of good stuff in this C4 expansion...... and im looking forward to seing all of it....

Cheers!!

Elrohir

02-10-2006, 06:12 AM

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sure they could fix it. thats why its a program. Theres a solution as long as it can be built. good programmers figure out the solutions and get paid big $$$. Why do you think the Tech Industry is so big?

Anyway, if they can't find an easy solution, they should just get rid of the buffs when you log out. It makes more sense.

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unequip anything and then re-equip it. It works and I don't have to hear you [censored] about it.

RumPunch

02-10-2006, 06:22 AM

Thanks for the tip on activating buffs with jewelry. I always just rebuffed on login, which was no big deal.

Speaking of no big deal, OP, don't blame the game design if you die six times in a row. That has happened to most of us, then we figure out how do improve our hunting tactics and we don't die to the same causes any longer.

I think C4 is great. I have NO complaints with it. While some things changed to my advantage and other things changed to my detriment, changes are good because they keep the game interesting and non-static. I don't think that something becoming a bit more of a challenge is a reason to complain about it. GG NCS. OP, chill out and have some cheese.

Wetzel

02-10-2006, 06:40 AM

I don't really have any problems with ingame content - my dis-satisfaction falls under the customer support/information distribution system.

I find the information that is distributed, even the information that is provided in a timely manor, is incorrect or not complete.

I used to think that no one knows the game better then NCSoft - now I'm more of the oppion that no one knows the game better than the player base. Maybe there should be a forum where NCSoft can as us about the game - not that I know it all, but the player base has a better track record of being correct concerning ingame functions.

Orka

02-10-2006, 06:51 AM

player "wisdom" is spread in a odd way :P i know lvl 75 people who dont know a whole lot ( yes they are legit, just grinders) but i have always lagged a bit behind the top lvls and i know alot about the game.

anyway i love C4 aswell, new pets give it a new look, fishing is fun and funny :p fishing bots ?? lol if i ever see one im gonna laugh, and i think it might be even a little hard to program one as there are a several variables which make it hard to bot.

DravynX

02-10-2006, 06:58 AM

Its good in the fact that there's tons of new zones, some new graphics, game just seems visually better. Fishing is cool, the new pets are cool, neat stuff.

Its bad in that there are no new skills pre 76. Its bad in that those 76+ plus skills are so generic its pathetic, and there's very little variation between class types. Nukers being boosted AGAIN despite all the current problems, with crap like the amazingly overpowered hot springs buff, and zerk glooming effect on mdef, melees are really getting the shaft.
Little to no new content for players under 60 is kind of a bust imo.

Any expansion should give every class something, some new little skill just to bring something new to the table. Giving skills at only 76+, and extremely generic ones at that is pretty lame.

I do like the fishing tho :)

Wyzeguy

02-10-2006, 07:10 AM

Is odd. For me and my setup, this C is the smoothest of them all. Obviously your mileage may vary.

Sovrath

02-10-2006, 07:18 AM

Well... I did die twice last night due to lag spikes (though I was using body 2 mind quite a bit to squeeze every last mit of mana out of my body so I was low in health).

What I learned?

1, The game runs fine but every now and then I get these huge lag spikes. I got them when C3 came and they eventually "went away" so I am assuming that the same will happen here.

2, Blessed SOE Clan does not act like a regular SOE Clanhall scroll in that it doesn't take you to town (hence the first death "why am I not porting!!!!!")

3, Mobs in that dark haunted forest will change, will appear at random and very quickly so If I'm in trouble I am going to be in real trouble

4, I have no idea what these Hot Sprigns buffs are. I did get 2 diseases that I was able to get rid of by sitting in the springs (nice touch NC) but am unsure about buffs.

5, Soloing in God's forge is possible but not advisable. I took down 3 mobs and used all my mp. All. Slow worked well and when my clannie rooted 2 of the mobs that helped even more. Trying to take down a Lavasaurus or whatever it is called takes a long long time.

Anywhoo... I view C4 as the first real expansion as I've always viewed C3 as the game that should have been released. There are some really nice additions and the land mass is just huge. It's also nice that some of the new land mass can be used by lower lvl players (for a while I thought that there weren't any high lvl areas as all the mobs were conning light blue and Green - see Forge of Gods above)

I think I'll enjoy C4 quite a bit. I do hope these lag spikes go away though.

l_q

02-10-2006, 07:20 AM

C4 is the BEST expansion yet :)

I reactivatesd my account just to test it out and so far I'm happy with it.

Yes, the problem with nukers and to some degree archers are still here. For example, in the hot springs...either malaria or cholera, I forget which, it increases casting speed and decreases mp use per spell...what the hell is that, honestly? Too much power for a godly class.

And the other one was increase accuracy but decrease evasion, it bumped my accuracy by 10 and dropped evasion by 4. How come we get shafted here (melee/archer) but nukers get no bad effects?

Besides that and the other obvious class flaws (necromancer being to godly), C4 is great. New areas look terrific, I especially came back for the quests and to try out fishing.

If you read ahead about the quest, the materials shouldn't be a problem. Before C4, I had a couple of thousands of thread and bought a few more thousands for 50a each, I see people charging alot more for it now.

Look what I did :)

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/3508/shot0002520lq.jpg

Wyzeguy

02-10-2006, 07:23 AM

Wasn't the Blessed SOE Clan working that way previously?

I kinda remember reading that they'd give you an error message if you don't have a clan hall, like that's what the devs wanted or something.

Jute

02-10-2006, 07:27 AM

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Yes, the problem with nukers and to some degree archers are still here. For example, in the hot springs...either malaria or cholera, I forget which, it increases casting speed and decreases mp use per spell...what the hell is that, honestly? Too much power for a godly class.

And the other one was increase accuracy but decrease evasion, it bumped my accuracy by 10 and dropped evasion by 4. How come we get shafted here (melee/archer) but nukers get no bad effects?

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The disease is only good for the first 3 levels. After that the effects actually are no longer beneficial. The tool tip still says they are, but take a look at your stats.

Sovrath

02-10-2006, 07:43 AM

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Wasn't the Blessed SOE Clan working that way previously?

I kinda remember reading that they'd give you an error message if you don't have a clan hall, like that's what the devs wanted or something.

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Oh.. it's very possible.. I just mentioned it because when I was being attacked by ghost mobs that were spawning right and left (and me having no mana trying to b2m to get a sleep off.. .and still they kept spawning) I kept hittng the key and nothing was happening. Then I saw the error message. So not a C4 thing... But because of the lag spikes I descended into greater danger and then learned a valuable lesson. :(

That BSOE is being sold now, cheaply in Giran.

Ashka

02-10-2006, 08:40 AM

yeah, I like c4 too!
The first week in every new chronicle is like a welcome ritual =p

anyway
Anyone else has something against the new cursor? If so, why? (Plz dont go "omg the &*%$%¨ blue ball is hell annoying make it go away, just explain and give a real reason you dont like, other then not being used to it)

MalineII

02-10-2006, 08:41 AM

Jute beat me to it - if you take Malaria with you to a siege, you will find yourself sorely surprised halfway through with being severely debuffed, and unable to get rid of it any other way than dying.

Sovrath

02-10-2006, 08:42 AM

The one thing that took a while to get used to (regarding the cursor) was that once you reach the cursor, it vanishes but there are some "sparks" as it dissolves. I kept thinking I was being attacked and kepty wrenching my view around to see who it was.

Angdil

02-10-2006, 08:52 AM

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I have no idea what these Hot Sprigns buffs are. I did get 2 diseases that I was able to get rid of by sitting in the springs (nice touch NC) but am unsure about buffs.

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My understanding is that the Hot Springs 'buffs' are the diseases you get, which act like temporary tattoos. They increase some stats and lower others. The 'trick' is to catch the right disease...

Sovrath

02-10-2006, 08:56 AM

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I have no idea what these Hot Sprigns buffs are. I did get 2 diseases that I was able to get rid of by sitting in the springs (nice touch NC) but am unsure about buffs.

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My understanding is that the Hot Springs 'buffs' are the diseases you get, which act like temporary tattoos. They increase some stats and lower others. The 'trick' is to catch the right disease...

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Well now I'm all confused...

They indicated that there would be less accuracy though I didn't see if other stats increased. However.. that horrible "purple smoke" and my toon grunting everytime it appeared is ... well.. just awful.

Vivisector242

02-10-2006, 09:07 AM

Yeah I am really liking C4 as well, and still haven't even gotten around to the fishing yet. From all my clannies, I hear its a blast.

The blue movement cursor really annoyed me at first, but now I have gotten used to it, and its not bad anymore. Actually when running long distances I actually like it better now.

As for the mobs, well yeah I have died a few times, but then again, like the start of of every chronicle things are different, and you think **** NC you totally destroyed us being able to play this game, but then after a few weeks, you learn what the mobs can do, adjust your playstyles, and start to think, hmm they bater not change these mobs in C5, cause I can grind like crazy now. Lol, I can rememeber going out for the first time in C3, solo, and finding out the hard way some of the mobs near Heine now had stun. God that took me by suprise, and I thought, hmm guess I can't solo here anymore, but after a short time, you adjust to the fact these mobs can now stun you, and hey they weren't so bad after that. In C4, my problem seems to be mobs regen and have immediate aggro. Sure I wish that they had a timer where they couldn't attack for maybe 3-5 secs after they regenned, but nope they are on you now. Have died due to this, but am sure in a few weeks, I will be used to this to, and it will become a part of my new playstyle. I almost feel like I did when I frst started playing L2 again. While kiling a mob near DE village, you had to constantly scan around you to see if any reds were coming. I have to do this now to see possible aggro regens.

As for being more and more useless in PVP, sure we are nerfed a bit more then I think we should be, and yeah a few classes are to overpowered, but I am not going to quit my AW because of it. I intend to be the only dagger left, and then when they bring back the daggers of C2, watch out :P

I was was to nerf the daggers of C3, I would first make the specials damage equivelent to the weapon they are carrying. No more godly damage from a bone dagger. Next either make us miss more, like we do, or give us less CP, name that nerf here, but only 1 or maybe 2, but not every nerf you can possibly think of.

The mobs in L2 seem to be made for Dwarves and sword carriers. I have seen a ton of mobs that are dagger resistant, quite a few archer resistant mobs, a few magic resistant mobs/and a few magic weak mobs, few blunt resistant mobs, but quite a few blunt weak mobs. If there is a dagger weak mob out there, let me know where it is, cause I still haven't found one.

Torqq

02-10-2006, 09:48 AM

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3) Fishing is easier to bot than do legit.

It annoys me so much that I have to go and hunt for a few hours to get some fish shots so I can blow them fishing, when people running bot programs can simply stand there getting 100% catches without fish SS. Why make it so hard for us to do without SS?

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I got a success quota of rougly 95% on fishing without having to bot. And I use the FS to fish faster and bigger fishes, than would be possible without them.
Also I have yet to see one fishing bot.

Fisherman's Kitten

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100% (bots) > 95% (you). And they are out there. Keep looking.

bekkar

02-10-2006, 10:21 AM

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Well now I'm all confused...

They indicated that there would be less accuracy though I didn't see if other stats increased. However.. that horrible "purple smoke" and my toon grunting everytime it appeared is ... well.. just awful.

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Ulfnar

02-10-2006, 01:29 PM

As evidenced by my character posture post, I don't think a whole lot of this chronicle either so far. Except the HDR rendering options, they are very nice.
Fix the "Brokeback" postures for all the races that recieved them this chronicle!

CimexusSH

02-10-2006, 02:36 PM

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C4 contains some good patches, but also some totally stupid things that make the game majorly imbalanced and ruin it totally.

1) Zerk is almost equal to curse gloom:

I tested this out in the arena, I zerked myself and my m.def went down around 150 points (from 912), then I died it off and got a necro to curse gloom me..... M.def went down 180 points. I mean what was wrong with the skill??? It's now 40 points less than curse gloom totaly ruining it being one of the only decent buffs for melee to combat nukers.

2) Force attack in clan war

I mean come on, as if with the flagging and pink discreet tag it wasn't hard enough, force attacking is really hard to use and makes the pvp controls immensely clumsy.. GJ for wrecking a good system.

3) Fishing is easier to bot than do legit.

It annoys me so much that I have to go and hunt for a few hours to get some fish shots so I can blow them fishing, when people running bot programs can simply stand there getting 100% catches without fish SS. Why make it so hard for us to do without SS?

4) Everything in the game is for nukers.

All the new mobs I have seen are PHYSICAL RESIST. Very few are mage resist. Hotsprings buffs are mage buffs, only 1 is for melee, which has decrease evasion with it... I mean Why do mages not get a downside???????????

5) No more drops??

Hunting in new and old areas alike I have noticed that the droprate is either really low or just plain changed. Hardly any key mats drop or spoil and if they do it is a stem or thread and only happens 1/40th of the amount of the time it used to. Are you just handing this game to farmers.. it's appauling. :mad:

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1. Yeah zerk is almost equal to curse gloom now. But think of it the other way - it makes prophets (and to a lesser extent bishops) **** useful in raids. Zerk the raid boss and it goes down noticeably quicker :)

2. Yes that's a bit ******ed. Agreed.

3. Practise fishing more. I get close to 100% success rate fishing without shots. You need to use a good rod and level your skills up. Watch the fishes HP rather than the lure. When the HP increases, reel. When the HP remains constant, pump the rod. You will be successful much easier doing it this way. It's good to use a few fishing shots but you only need to use them on fish that require a lot of reeling.

4. Untrue. There are new melee areas and new mage areas. Forest of Dead is clearly a mage area - the mobs are vulnerable to fire in the day and mostly wind at night, and many are undead (for spellsingers light magic spells). BUT take a look at Swamp of Screams - ALL mobs are resist matk and vulnerable to blunts and other melee weaps. THere are new areas for all classes.

Oh and btw - the Hot Springs area contains a lot of M.Atk resist mobs and Sleep resist mobs. It's not a very healthy area for a mage to be in, believe me.

5. Drop tables for mobs that existed in C3 are identical to the C3 drop tables. Don't believe me? Go compare the L2WH database for C3 and for C4.

As for drops I already got a carnage bow stave and a bloody orchid head just soloing in Forest of Undead the very first day. ANd got an S grade recipie from a quest :) Plenty of money making opportunities out there in C4. Oh and proof of fishing sells pretty well too.

BlazerX

02-10-2006, 02:58 PM

My point with that cursed 3D cursor is that it wasnt broken before when it was in 2D. Why in the world would they force you to use the 3D one? They should have just gave it as an option to turn on/off.

They can do that kind of extra development work but won't fix the BUGS, yes BUGS that I stated in the first post? This is ridiculous.

Also, I'm also a programmer. I realize you cant catch all bugs, but seriously, to develop extra stuff like this 3D cursor for the "cool" effect and ignore the obvious and glaring bugs thats still there is reckless and unproductive and in my opinion unwanted.

As to mobs spawning on top of you while you are casting/fighting another mob or group of mobs, thats just uncalled for and as I've stated before, a bad game design. It may be how the game is or was always before, but it doesnt have to be. Its a game FLAW and it should be fixed.

Elrohir

02-10-2006, 03:01 PM

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Also, I'm also a programmer. I realize you cant catch all bugs, but seriously, to develop extra stuff like this 3D cursor for the "cool" effect and ignore the obvious and glaring bugs thats still there is reckless and unproductive and in my opinion unwanted.

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I really wonder. I've been developing software professionally for almost 20 years. You do realize that there are different teams of developers on a project this big? Try to imagine that the team that is working on visual enhancements is *not* working on fixing game mechanics. I know it's tough but try.

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As to mobs spawning on top of you while you are casting/fighting another mob or group of mobs, thats just uncalled for and as I've stated before, a bad game design. It may be how the game is or was always before, but it doesnt have to be. Its a game FLAW and it should be fixed.

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Why is it a flaw? Mobs spawn. That's what they do. Why should it matter if it's near you or not? Mobs are dangerous. Maybe there should be a warning sign outside of town that says "Beware of dangerous mobs"?

BlazerX

02-10-2006, 03:13 PM

er you ever heard of QA? For someone thats supposedly been working in the development sector for 20 years that seemed to slip your thoughts quite a bit? I have been developing for a long time in a very fast past environment. There is no excuse for major bugs such as the ones I have encountered. If the QA cycle is thorough, they should have caught it. Also the BUGS I meantion are existing bugs that were recognized and brought to NCSOFT's attention Pre c4. They should have fixed it before theire next release (this one). Maybe before you comment you could familiarize yourself with the concept of QA (Quality Assurance - if you didnt know)?

Mobs Spawn but they shouldnt spawn right on top of you? If you obviously cannot glean the fault of this, I seriously call your self-proclaimed confession of being a programmer in doubt. Design wise, it makes no sense for mobs to just spawn on top of players in the first place. When was the last time a truck just "materialized" right in front of you baring down at 100mph? Get the picture? Mobs are aggro because you go near them AND THEN they aggro you. They shouldn't spawn right in the middle of your battle with another mob and all the new spawned mobs jump on you.

Elrohir

02-10-2006, 03:18 PM

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er you ever heard of QA? For someone thats supposedly been working in the development sector for 20 years that seemed to slip your thoughts quite a bit? I have been developing for a long time in a very fast past environment. There is no excuse for major bugs such as the ones I have encountered. If the QA cycle is thorough, they should have caught it. Also the BUGS I meantion are existing bugs that were recognized and brought to NCSOFT's attention Pre c4. They should have fixed it before theire next release (this one). Maybe before you comment you could familiarize yourself with the concept of QA (Quality Assurance - if you didnt know)?

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Learn to read. When did I say there should be bugs or that bugs are okay? I said that different teams work on different things.

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Mobs Spawn but they shouldnt spawn right on top of you? If you obviously cannot glean the fault of this, I seriously call your self-proclaimed confession of being a programmer in doubt. Design wise, it makes no sense for mobs to just spawn on top of players in the first place. When was the last time a truck just "materialized" right in front of you baring down at 100mph? Get the picture? Mobs are aggro because you go near them AND THEN they aggro you. They shouldn't spawn right in the middle of your battle with another mob and all the new spawned mobs jump on you.

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Mobs spawn where they like. I see no problem with this. When did you ever see a truck spawn anywhere? You're either delusional or on drugs.

_Charmille_

02-10-2006, 05:56 PM

The mobs generally spawn in a certain area, you just happened to stand in the same spot it was spawning in. Do you actually think the code that spawns mobs checks if there is a player standing at the same spot?

Mob spawns near me, I have less distance to run, I'm happy :)

C4 has been fun so far, only major down side is the Sweep bug with BHs T_T Hope they fix it soon.

Dark_Sniper

02-10-2006, 06:00 PM

If you want bugs...PLAY WOW! After any patch there's 5-10 hotfixes over the first 2 weeks.

Lag? You havn't SEEN lag yet. Try any WoW server and most nights you will hit lag spikes of 20-30 seconds and after an hour lag out. Then add on queues. Yea GG.

GM's answering can take time so relax.

-Nudalus

Taraza

02-10-2006, 11:00 PM

I love C4 so far though I haven't got to play around in new hunting areas much yet, been spending time testing PvP things out and fishing :). Cancel was nerfed BAD, I don't know what the fool that said it wasn't is smoking. I had SpS fail it completely on me and some only take 1 or 2 buffs away. Though I had some SpS/Sorc almost shut my buffs out a few times though :p. It IS nerfed, but its not nerfed to useless like many overpowered things have in the past. Aura Flare is nerfed pretty bad in my opinion. I think people should consider running if they still fear Aura Flare because for 3 seconds their range nukes will do little and sleep might not land. Also Prophets ARE NOT useless. If you think they are then there's is a perfect explanation to why mages pwn you.

Most of the OP's complaints are directly involved to the game becoming more difficult, which making the game more difficult is what has been needed for a LONG time. Mobs are so stupid and dull already, smart mobs=more fun. Challenge yourself u no-talent ********. The game isn't about nuke, sleep, run, nuke, nuke, pick up. Fight it out u ******* :p. And stop overrating nukers, they aren't THAT good.

Torqq

02-11-2006, 01:21 AM

Add this to why C4 sucks:

Tons and tons of rendering lag. I didn't get an lag moving my mouse about in c3. In c4 I can even turn my view without hitching or lagging out for seconds. My PC is state of the art too.

This is with minimum graphic options, with longest view range and that texture checkbox on.

With the texture checkbox off the game pays smooth and looks like it was made in 1982.

Ashka

02-11-2006, 04:47 AM

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Add this to why C4 sucks:

Tons and tons of rendering lag. I didn't get an lag moving my mouse about in c3. In c4 I can even turn my view without hitching or lagging out for seconds. My PC is state of the art too.

This is with minimum graphic options, with longest view range and that texture checkbox on.

With the texture checkbox off the game pays smooth and looks like it was made in 1982.

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O.o
Oh my
May I know what video card you have? The texture filtering makes absolutely no difference to my performance at all.

Nes

02-11-2006, 04:58 AM

if you have a onboard graphic card, like me atm, i get some frames more without the texture filter....
anyone of u have lags at the loginscreen ? :confused:

Lord Chaos

02-11-2006, 05:07 AM

Yeah, I get that too, and I only have 2xGeforce7800GT SLI.

But it more seems like an issue Lineage 2 has with modern machines, rather than an outright performance issue.

Ashka

02-11-2006, 09:03 AM

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Yeah, I get that too, and I only have 2xGeforce7800GT SLI.

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"Only"? =p meannie

anyway
I play with a GF6800 GT, and my previous FX5900.. the texture filtering never made any difference...

TemplarZ

02-11-2006, 12:50 PM

All the new areas suck for melee (big surprise..). They all spawn helpers, have ultimate evasion, and stun.

Lord Chaos

02-11-2006, 12:59 PM

My computer can do tripple digit FPS in ultra high resolution in both Quake 4 and Doom 3.

Yet, somehow L2 runs like :censored: :/

Taraza

02-12-2006, 12:41 AM

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All the new areas suck for melee (big surprise..). They all spawn helpers, have ultimate evasion, and stun.

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I actually feel the opposite, many of the new areas are great for melee because many mobs are archer and magic resist and are undead. Throw holy weapon on some orcs and gladiators and you mow through mobs. BTW I LOVE the updated enemy AI :), was starting to get sick of the game because it was so easy that I focused more on PvP towards the end of C3. I just think the weak and frail (archers/nukers :p) hate the new mobs because they pwn them in 3 hits.

Kruken

02-12-2006, 07:25 PM

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mobs spawning right on top of you right in the middle of you casting sleep on a mob?! What the hell is up with this? Yeah mobs spawn but right in the middle of me casting on a mob and right next to the mob I'm casting on and they are all aggro? This is the worse game design I have seen to date.

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Some of the new mob AI does that. Can't remember the name of the new area. I know one of those mobs as soon as you attack it, it spawns a twin and if you dont kill it fast enough it will port right on top of you.

IndianaBones

02-13-2006, 09:41 AM

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I have different reasons for C4 being the worst chronicle ever:

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- Ranged vs melee DD class problem is even worse in C$ instead of better

- Hot Spring buff lasts one hour and gives overpowered nukers a HUGE bonus. Everyone knows that ever nuker will visit Hot Springs before a siege to get this stupid overpowered buff.

- Hacing to force attack to attack a war tag is really REALLY annoying

- Grinding at levels 75+ is ridiculously slow. In a full party, which usually take at least 1 hour to setup, XP in the best areas is about 1% an hour. Yea, I want to go to sieges and die 10 times and lose 10 hours of grinding. Sorry, this is a joke. Losing XP at levels 75+ is so painful I don't even want to play anymore.

- Nothing added to prevent botting and cheating. You know exactly what I mean. I see bots everywhere, and I also see enemies botting afk 24/7.

- Focus on Drakonc bow. Just what the other set of overpowered classes needed.

- Cancel land chance isn't nerfed AT ALL! It still lands 100% of the time, even when a level 48 nukers casts it on a L76 players. The only change is that it leaves a whopping 4-6 buffs left. Nice balance there NC. And thanks for adding a cancel skill to 4-5 other classes.

- Recordings suck. Where is the player's hotbar, their target, their party names, their chat box, and where are character names????

- Pet+summon SS. Nice one. Now pets and summons are better than the pathetic melee DD characters. This really isn't a probably with pet SS, but rather a big problem with really bad melee DD classes.

- Level 76+ skills are all the same across similar classes. All archers get the same skills, all dagger get the same skills, and nukers get the same spells with a different element (wow!), all tanks get simialr skills, glad / tyrant get the same skills, dwavres get the same skills. The only TRUELY unique skills are on Warlord and destroyer.

- Prophets still suck. A WC is better and so is an OL. Prophets are a joke.

- BSOEs are still in the game. They are too easy to get and too quick to use. There's barely any PVP in this game. Either remove the BSOE or lower the XP loss in PVP. No one fights anymore. Fighting is fun, but no one does it unless they know they can win.

- After you take a step and look at C4, there really isn't much more to do other than an endless grind. give us some fun PVP type things to do. The Olympiad doesn't qualify, since only 2% of the players can participate.

- No customizable GUI. Let me bind my own **** keys as I like.

- The Necropolis and catacombs are still bad. They are a haven for bots and a royal pain to hunt in for real parties. They also all looks exactly the same.

- Why the heck is there a E,S,W letter on the compass still?
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That pretty much sums it up, I agree with most of those points for sure.

How many legit 75's do you know, I dont know any. (cough)

But seriously, the game should have been made with still heavy grind, but not a godly grind, it is truely insane. Even making the exp x2 on all the servers ( or a new server with 2x the exp) would make for a better game.

Jode

02-13-2006, 10:09 AM

I like to go fishing now .... with a case of beer just like on King of the Hill ; with all my buddies saying ... "yup" "yup" and lets not forget "yup". =p :cool:

Drunken Lvl 61 TK lionna

Kaiousama

02-13-2006, 10:52 AM

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That pretty much sums it up, I agree with most of those points for sure.

How many legit 75's do you know, I dont know any. (cough)

But seriously, the game should have been made with still heavy grind, but not a godly grind, it is truely insane. Even making the exp x2 on all the servers ( or a new server with 2x the exp) would make for a better game.

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Don't know any legit 75s? I'm friends with a number of legits, even a WS who will be 76 this week, nearly 75 on his subclass too. People who complain about the grind being SO bad should probably look at themselves first. It's amazing how bad some people are at PvE in their mid-60s.

I hunt in a duo, WS and WC. At 61, 10%/hr for each of us is simple, and that's in an area we hunt for cash, not for xp. My tyrant gets about that in necros, and she is level 66.

My WS friend? 2%/hr at 75. A fifth my rate, but that is some amazing xp considering the multiple XP walls you hit between 66 and 75. If he were to play 5 hours a day, it wouldn't even take 2 weeks to hit 76 from 0%.

Sure, that might seem like a while, but at least it takes determination. Unlike a certian Blizzard game in which 2 months can get you to the maximum level, at which point all you do is grind for items.

Elrohir

02-13-2006, 11:02 AM

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That pretty much sums it up, I agree with most of those points for sure.

How many legit 75's do you know, I dont know any. (cough)

But seriously, the game should have been made with still heavy grind, but not a godly grind, it is truely insane. Even making the exp x2 on all the servers ( or a new server with 2x the exp) would make for a better game.

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Don't know any legit 75s? I'm friends with a number of legits, even a WS who will be 76 this week, nearly 75 on his subclass too. People who complain about the grind being SO bad should probably look at themselves first. It's amazing how bad some people are at PvE in their mid-60s.

I hunt in a duo, WS and WC. At 61, 10%/hr for each of us is simple, and that's in an area we hunt for cash, not for xp. My tyrant gets about that in necros, and she is level 66.

My WS friend? 2%/hr at 75. A fifth my rate, but that is some amazing xp considering the multiple XP walls you hit between 66 and 75. If he were to play 5 hours a day, it wouldn't even take 2 weeks to hit 76 from 0%.

Sure, that might seem like a while, but at least it takes determination. Unlike a certian Blizzard game in which 2 months can get you to the maximum level, at which point all you do is grind for items.

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I believe he was admitting that he's a cheater (look at his signature).

RogueAssassin

02-13-2006, 11:11 AM

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My WS friend? 2%/hr at 75. A fifth my rate, but that is some amazing xp considering the multiple XP walls you hit between 66 and 75. If he were to play 5 hours a day, it wouldn't even take 2 weeks to hit 76 from 0%.

Sure, that might seem like a while, but at least it takes determination. Unlike a certian Blizzard game in which 2 months can get you to the maximum level, at which point all you do is grind for items.

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Hmm. So, uh, what about those of us who can't play more than 2-3 hours a day, maybe some 2-4 days a week? It's going to take us ages to level up there.

I think the point is this: most 75+ characters are either non-legit or are people who have absolutely no responsibilities and can afford to play every day for hours upon hours upon hours.