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TimeCop

02-10-2006, 02:07 PM

Since NC soft is trying to make thing's easier, why not just make a voting system in the game, so that we can hit alt + B in the game, and vote for what we like, on different question's, like the major things in the game that are going to be changed, Examples below...

Should we Stop the pet mananger npc in C4 from selling strider food?
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

Should we reset the ecnomic system?
(yes) (No) (No Answer)

Should Silence be removed from this game?
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

Should Dice be removed?
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

Is Necromancer, and Dark Elf class overpowere? Does silence need to be removed?
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

This way GM's could calculate all the votes from all 9 servers, or more when they get them, and see which one wins, and it would make it a lot easier than to debate on forums...

Elrohir

02-10-2006, 02:30 PM

Lineage II isn't a democracy.

"When you listen to fools, the mob rules"

_Charmille_

02-10-2006, 02:32 PM

So, a guy who just got to the game could vote on it, perhaps be manipulated to vote in it in a way that suits someone *cough* *cough* else and thus the result would be biased. Or, someone who has played a few weeks/months and thinks he knows it all could annoy others to vote in his favor by shouting or making repetative posts again and again >.> No thanks.

Debate > outright voting since usually when people debate, they bring their own experience and credibility into the equation. If it would just be plain "yes, no, I dont know" -answers it wouldnt really tell the developers or GMs anything.

PS. Leave Silence alone, it's not the thing that makes necros overpowered >.> And dont even dream about reseting the economic system, it's fine as it is, learn to work it to your advantage.

TimeCop

02-10-2006, 02:40 PM

#1 this post is an example...

#2 No there should only be one vote allowed per account, not per character, Like an ID # logged by each account, so that cannot happen...

#3 Newbies have the right to vote too...

#4 This is not to be racist, so I am going to use an example, so people dont think of it...

What if you were an alien, and you knew all about earth, you were welcomed down here on earth, and one day there was a vote, and because you are a little green alien, you were told, you are not allowed to vote, because you are not of this planet, when the fact is it's what you think, but still you want to vote, and because you are a newcomer, you cant? How would you feel?

_Charmille_

02-10-2006, 03:02 PM

I'd treat newbies like governments treat minors: They dont allow them to vote. Why is this? Because they clearly think that before reaching a certain age, a person is too easily manipulated and has not yet accuired enough information on the subject, or his view of the world is still naive and immature. Same goes for newbies, if they dont know even what they're voting about, why should they be allowed to vote? And yes, this is not a democracy, this is a game run by NCSoft as they see fit.

TimeCop

02-10-2006, 04:03 PM

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HMM? so your saying wait untill they are level 18? WOW no problem with that lol...

Newbies pay for this game as much as we all do, so why does it matter? I havent learend the skill silence yet, never used it in this game, but I know what it does...

If a newbie pays the same ammount of real life cash, as you do, dont you think if there is a voting system, they should get the same rights???

I am not being racist, but ill give you 2 examples...

This is like being racist, ever done History, on how Whites used to treat the Blacks, for no reason at all, I dont think that was right, Whites ride on the front of the bus, Blacks ride in back, now how would you like to be one of those in the back, just because your a different color? I wouldn't, and I know that it was not right...

How would you like to be stuck in the war, with the White's, and the Native Americans? The Native American's got Slaughtered by the White people incase you didn't do your history, and why? Over Gold, they wanted all that gold, and because the native's weren't using it, but it was theirs whites took it away, took away their land for no reason, Burned their cattle, killed many... Was this the right thing to do? NO !

We are all human's, the only thing different is our language, maybe our skin color, but that doesnt matter, we are all still humans...

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Now whats this thing about (Newbies) not being able to vote? Newbies are still (Humans) Too, they are the same as you were when you (First started LineAge2), so how would you like to be one of those newbies not being able to vote, just because you are a newbie???

Ever heard of a thing called Equal Right's? I know this is just a game, but you were a newbie too...

Equal Rights = This means that no matter if the player is a newbie or not, they will be allowed to vote, and it will only be able to vote voted 1 time per account, this means that they cannot use other characters... They are paying for the game the same as you and me, so whats the diff?

Equal Rights, Just like real life in the U.S means that we are free, and we all have right's, as long as we do not break the LAW, this means that no matter our Race we are we all get the same rights...

I know this game isnt real life, but its real people you all are talking to, and no matter if we are newbies or not, we should all have the same rights, NC soft publishes the votes, on the major changes, in one forum, and we all get to vote one time on them, we can only do it one time, because each account registers on the server, that we have already voted or not, so there is no cheating with other characters...

If you do not realize that it is real people you are talking to, or cant be fair,or nice, or help newbies, and you think us newbies should not have rights, and all the power should be in the Whites, Whites = High level players, then please go play a single player game.... :)

It is Unfair to be rasist, just like it is unfair to not let newbies vote, I know its not real life, but its real people you talk to, and play with on these mmo's

Eriot

02-10-2006, 05:01 PM

im sorry but i dont believe that someone at lvl 30 (for exampel) should be alowed to vote on a matter that consurnes people for like lvl 50+ cus they dont have any idea on how the game is at that level.

_Charmille_

02-10-2006, 05:47 PM

And I'd yet again like to point out how goverments work TimeCop. They dont allow minors to vote, even in the U.S. so why should NCSoft let them vote _if_ they ever implemented a voting system? Newbie = minor = no voting rights, got it? If you just started in dwarf village and guy Z comes to you, tells you to vote like this and this in the voting system and gives you 50k for it, wouldnt this greatly affect your system? Bribe the newbies, or threaten them to vote as you like. Or use their ignorance and the fact they're _NEWBIES_. Thats right, they dont know anything about this game, and you want to let them decide what changes in this game?

Newbie = RL minor for voting in democratic systems so they have no right to vote. No racism here, just a simple fact.

TimeCop

02-10-2006, 06:48 PM

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And I'd yet again like to point out how goverments work TimeCop. They dont allow minors to vote, even in the U.S. so why should NCSoft let them vote _if_ they ever implemented a voting system? Newbie = minor = no voting rights, got it? If you just started in dwarf village and guy Z comes to you, tells you to vote like this and this in the voting system and gives you 50k for it, wouldnt this greatly affect your system? Bribe the newbies, or threaten them to vote as you like. Or use their ignorance and the fact they're _NEWBIES_. Thats right, they dont know anything about this game, and you want to let them decide what changes in this game?

Newbie = RL minor for voting in democratic systems so they have no right to vote. No racism here, just a simple fact.

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Yes this is true people could bribe newbies, and they could also threaten them, but you got to remember, just because im level 1, and your level 40 + doesnt mean that you have the right to make the entire game, we all pay the same ammount for this game every month, so we all should have the right no matter what level we are...

Read the examples above where it says no answer, that is for newbies who do not know exactly what it means, so basically its a 50/50 answer, so if the newbie doesnt know, they are equal so anyone who answers no answer, their vote doesnt count on that one, and the ones they vote for on the same page, if they put yes or no, those are the ones that count, if you know what I mean... It doesnt matter what level we are, we all pay for this game, so even if people are a higher level, and do know more than us newbies, we still pay just like you do, so we still have the right, if there is a voting system put into this game... Example below...

Should New weapons, Armor, and Skills/Spell be added to this game?
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

(Yes) means that It should be added...
(No) Means that It should not be changed...
(No Answer) Means that you have not answered, you are biased on it, so basically its a 50/50, and since you didn't choose, you pass on it basically... Understand, we all pay for the same game, so why should 100% of the power be put in the High Levels?

HIeverybody

02-10-2006, 06:51 PM

come on where is the angry kitten?

I defended the dwarves even though I don't like dwarves myself... kitten come save my silence?

timecop... do you play on bartz? if u do i will silence u for 5k

HIeverybody

02-10-2006, 06:59 PM

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Yes this is true people could bribe newbies, and they could also threaten them, but you got to remember, just because im level 1, and your level 40 + doesnt mean that you have the right to make the entire game, we all pay the same ammount for this game every month, so we all should have the right no matter what level we are...

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If you are a low lvl you have absolutely no idea how endgame works. So noobs are too ignorant to make an informed decision.

furthermore... the "I pay as much as you for this game" argument is flawed...

example:
Player A played 11 months. Equals $150
Player B played 2 months. Equals $15

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Read the examples above where it says no answer, that is for newbies who do not know exactly what it means, so basically its a 50/50 answer, so if the newbie doesnt know, they are equal so anyone who answers no answer, their vote doesnt count on that one, and the ones they vote for on the same page, if they put yes or no, those are the ones that count, if you know what I mean... It doesnt matter what level we are, we all pay for this game, so even if people are a higher level, and do know more than us newbies, we still pay just like you do, so we still have the right, if there is a voting system put into this game... Example below...

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you think you have rights? you don't... we are all victom to the various whims of ncsoft... we have no rights whatsoever... try again.

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Should New weapons, Armor, and Skills/Spell be added to this game?
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

(Yes) means that It should be added...
(No) Means that It should not be changed...
(No Answer) Means that you have not answered, you are biased on it, so basically its a 50/50, and since you didn't choose, you pass on it basically... Understand, we all pay for the same game, so why should 100% of the power be put in the High Levels?

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again this isn't even true... the power isn't in the high lvls... voting is meaningless... everything is done in korea... you have no idea what is going on... the sky is falling and it landed on my head.... rabbits eat lettuce... woodchucks dont chuck woot.... why do they call them woodchucks... because they are noob... but they pay with chucked wood... i slit a sheet a sheet i slit upon a slitted sheet i sit.

And that's my counter argument...

TimeCop

02-10-2006, 07:43 PM

Yes Korea NC owns this game, but if there is a such thing as a voting system we all have rights... It is not just about who pays more money, who has played longer, if you do not like it, then there will probabily be no voting system at all, because I do not think NC will even put one, as long as your all flaming that only high levels will be able to vote in the game, because NC does own this game, but if they put one, Im sure they wont just say okay all high levels vote, all newbies level 20 and below dont vote...

And this post has nothing to do with any other posts just this one, so no flamming...

I do not care who has played longer, we all should have the same rights if there is a voting system in the game no matter what, but each account is limited to 1 vote per account, so newbies cant use more than one character...

Equal Rights, otherwise we should all go back to the old days...

If you wish to help support the voting system post here, otherwise if you do not want it, or dont want to help, just please do not post here, if all you are going to do is argue, so that if there is a voting system only high levels will get to vote, and flame this post, please do not post here...

Physics4ever

02-10-2006, 08:17 PM

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Yes Korea NC owns this game, but if there is a such thing as a voting system we all have rights... It is not just about who pays more money, who has played longer, if you do not like it, then there will probabily be no voting system at all, because I do not think NC will even put one, as long as your all flaming that only high levels will be able to vote in the game, because NC does own this game, but if they put one, Im sure they wont just say okay all high levels vote, all newbies level 20 and below dont vote...

And this post has nothing to do with any other posts just this one, so no flamming...

I do not care who has played longer, we all should have the same rights if there is a voting system in the game no matter what, but each account is limited to 1 vote per account, so newbies cant use more than one character...

Equal Rights, otherwise we should all go back to the old days...

If you wish to help support the voting system post here, otherwise if you do not want it, or dont want to help, just please do not post here, if all you are going to do is argue, so that if there is a voting system only high levels will get to vote, and flame this post, please do not post here...

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But there isn't a voting system. All you're doing is wasting all of our time. And no this isn't seperate from your other posts. Your influence here is the sum of all your contributions. So far your contribution has been inane balance ideas and in a few posts you suggested to basically eliminate all of my work from the last 2 years.

You want a voting system, well i think your threads have shown overwhelmingly that if given the chance we would vote down every idea you had and personally i would take away your posting rights. This is not a democracy is is the property of a company. We pay to use their property as long as they deem worty. Like it or not that's how it is. Stop cluttering the boards with yoru nonsense, poorly thought-out posts.

Jilly

02-10-2006, 08:23 PM

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If you wish to help support the voting system post here, otherwise if you do not want it, or dont want to help, just please do not post here, if you are named TimeCop and all your going to do is argue, demand that the voting system be messed up and want to flame others in this post, please do not post here...

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Edited it for ya timecop ;)

Elrohir

02-10-2006, 08:24 PM

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If you wish to help support the voting system post here, otherwise if you do not want it, or dont want to help, just please do not post here, if you are named TimeCop and all your going to do is argue, demand that the voting system be messed up and want to flame others in this post, please do not post here...

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Edited it for ya timecop ;)

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lol :)

TimeCop

02-10-2006, 08:39 PM

Hmm... Lets see, A new voting system would not screw up the game... Every time someone posts something it is turned into a flame, because you high level's do not want newbies to get a chance to vote, how is this right???

First of all NC soft makes the Poll on everything that is major that is going to be changed, example...

Should the pet manager Npc Stop selling Strider Food...
(yes) (No) (No Answer)

Should Silence be taken out of the game...
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

NC soft is the one who makes the Poll, and we all including newbies vote for it, how does this seem bad? Are you high levels afraid you might loose a vote, is that why???

Now Think again, a voting system would not be bad, and NC soft Should think about putting one in this game, when you hit the ALT+B key in the game, it has a tab there that says poll, and you can only vote 1 time per account, How is that bad? Doesnt sound bad at all...

Note to all, If you do not wish to argue, do not continue the arguement, every time you argue about newbies not having voting right's if NC was to decide to put one in the game, I will post another...

Once again, we Should all have Equal Rights, if you do not wish to continue, do not post, unless you have something good to say about it, other than flamming this topic, just like you have done all the rest...

Iriden

02-10-2006, 09:10 PM

i would like to point out that analyzing games such as L2 doesn't require a master degree or a max lvl character (of course, if you're talking about extreme high lvl contents, you'll need a high enough lvl char. but features such as pvp starts at lvl 1 so different lvl range may have different prespective of seeing things). although, i'll agree that ppl who whines about game features without bringing sufficient proofs should not start a post at all.

TimeCop

02-10-2006, 09:20 PM

Note, This post is not about whineing, or complaing, it is simply to get a voting system in the game, in which all people can vote on it, because these other high levels who have posted here are trying to say that newbies should not have a right to vote, just because they are lowbies, well this is not right, We all pay for this game, and we all have Equal Rights, it doesn't matter if you have played a year, and I have only played 2 months...

When I first started this post I started it as a sugguestion not a flame, but you all semmed to have turned it into an arguement/flame, becuase you keep saying that newbies should not have the right to vote, Im not saying I know 100% of the game, and that any newbie will either, but thats why there would be an option that says No Answer, which means that when they answer No Answer to that one question it will be biased...

Why Shouldn't newbies be able to vote? Is it because we are low is that the only reason? What were you when this game first came out?

Again this is like being racist, Calling Blacks names, for no reason, Telling them to ride on the back of the bus, just because they speak another language, Whites Killing Native Americans for gold greed... We are all humans no matter if we are Black,White,Korean,Russian,ect. We should not be calling people names, ect, just becuase they look a diffrent way, or speak a different language... Thats the same way it is to newbies, saying they arent allowed to vote...
This was not posted showing racism, these are all facts.

I never claimed to be a master of this game, neither does any newbie, but the thing is that over 50% newbies know what silence, and other skills do, and they know whereever if NC ever decides to put a vote to change it, to lower a spells damage or something, newbies know whever it should be done, becuase they have played that class to 20, or 25, and they know that the skill should not be changed, that it is not over powered, because they have pvped many people the same level...

I am still in the 30's, I know what all spells do, because I have looked them up, I have already went to the monster race track, I have already pvped over 40 people my same level, and higher for fun, how could I not know if a skill was over powered?

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would like to point out that analyzing games such as L2 doesn't require a master degree or a max lvl character (of course, if you're talking about extreme high lvl contents, you'll need a high enough lvl char. but features such as pvp starts at lvl 1 so different lvl range may have different prespective of seeing things). although, i'll agree that ppl who whines about game features without bringing sufficient proofs should not start a post at all.

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#1 Newbies still know if some spells/skills are over powered or not, because they have seen people pvp with them all the time if they go to the monster track...

#2 I did not claim to become a master of this game over night, but everyone should have Equal voting rights...

#3 This is not a post about Whineing/Complaing, this is a post to see if NC should put a voting system that everyone can vote one time for before each chronical...

Iriden

02-10-2006, 09:38 PM

what's with your agressive tone? if you look at my sig i'm as newb as you are. i wasn't even replying to your post too lol

TimeCop

02-10-2006, 10:09 PM

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what's with your agressive tone? if you look at my sig i'm as newb as you are. i wasn't even replying to your post too lol

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I just cant get these people to understand, that people should all have the same voting right's no matter what level we all are, Oh BTW, Iriden check your PM's, I sent you a msg...

#1 I do not like to start arguements, but it seems that every post I post here, a Flamming war starts...

#2 If there is a voting system everyone should have Equal Rights no matter what level, People should be allowed to post their opinions, what they think without having their posts flammed all the time by Higher Levels, and all screwed up, because that gets everyone no where...

#3 I have never seemed to have problem in this game really as far as meeting friends, ect, they all seem to be nice, its just that some High Leves think they are the boss, untill one day they get Owned by someone 2 levels lower, or someone their same level...

bekkar

02-10-2006, 10:26 PM

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You want a voting system, well i think your threads have shown overwhelmingly that if given the chance we would vote down every idea you had and personally i would take away your posting rights.
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Stop cluttering the boards with yoru nonsense, poorly thought-out posts.

[/ QUOTE ] Quoted for "thank God someone else said it so I don't have to" :cool:

He does give me funny material though.

bekkar

02-10-2006, 10:28 PM

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newbies know whever it should be done, becuase they have played that class to 20, or 25, and they know that the skill should not be changed, that it is not over powered, because they have pvped many people the same level...

[/ QUOTE ] How many times do we have to tell you that the game changes as you get levels? Something that works at level 16 doesn't necessarily work at 66...and you wouldn't know the difference unless you played to 66.
Of course, you don't even know that...not because you're a newbie, oh no, many newbies know that the game changes...you don't know it because you ignore anything you don't want to hear.

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Again this is like being racist,

[/ QUOTE ] And you would know. We haven't forgotten your "Germans are ebayers and cheaters" comments. :)

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I do not like to start arguements, but it seems that every post I post here, a Flamming war starts...

[/ QUOTE ] Then stop posting stupid ideas then getting angry when nobody agrees with you :)

Edit: taking up less board space.

Physics4ever

02-10-2006, 10:29 PM

I think the part where he calls you racist because he has no concept of balance are the best.

bekkar

02-10-2006, 10:35 PM

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I think the part where he calls you racist because he has no concept of balance are the best.

[/ QUOTE ] I'm waiting for the ****** reference next. There's a universal online rule about when people compare anything to ******.

Physics4ever

02-10-2006, 10:42 PM

Clicky clicky (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=185)

admiral_ju00

02-11-2006, 01:38 AM

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Lineage II isn't a democracy.

"When you listen to fools, the mob rules"

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I Nominate, THEE SirElrohir for President.

Now I just gotta figure out a way to give you L2 board administration priv's and you're all set!!!

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By _Charmille_
I'd treat newbies like governments treat minors: They dont allow them to vote. Why is this? Because they clearly think that before reaching a certain age, a person is too easily manipulated and has not yet accuired enough information on the subject, or his view of the world is still naive and immature. Same goes for newbies, if they dont know even what they're voting about, why should they be allowed to vote? And yes, this is not a democracy, this is a game run by NCSoft as they see fit.

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Right On!

admiral_ju00

02-11-2006, 01:50 AM

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#2 No there should only be one vote allowed per account, not per character, Like an ID # logged by each account, so that cannot happen...

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Even though I'm anti-religion, but Thank god for that one, at least you concede to only 1 vote per account.

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#3 Newbies have the right to vote too...

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Hell no they don't.
They can:
Question
~ Absolutely

Suggest
~Absolutely

Vote
~Hell no, not unless they are asked about opinions, but a vote to Change things outright, well you're no longer a newbie, are ye?

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#4 This is not to be racist, so I am going to use an example, so people dont think of it...

What if you were an alien, and you knew all about earth, you were welcomed down here on earth, and one day there was a vote, and because you are a little green alien, you were told, you are not allowed to vote, because you are not of this planet, when the fact is it's what you think, but still you want to vote, and because you are a newcomer, you cant? How would you feel?

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Uhm, Not that I think you ever read anything that is replyed to you, but I'll answer this anyway.

Why such a far fetched example? Alien? Vote on Earth Matters?

1st of all, you said it just there, IF the Alien KNEW ALL about Earth.......

You go around saying you're a newbie who has all these radical ideas, well by meaning NEWBIE is someone who knows very little about the subject matter. So that still puts you out.

Another thing, going back to the whole Alien and the World thing, if you live in United States of America, answer me this, the people who are recently Emigrated to the US of A, are they allowed to VOTE on the matters of US Government?

Survey Says: Hell no!

Only way they can vote is when certain requirements have been met by them. I hope you know what those are.

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#1 I do not like to start arguements, but it seems that every post I post here, a Flamming war starts...

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Heh, have you ever stopped for 1 minute to think why that may be?

_Charmille_

02-11-2006, 03:09 AM

1 vote per account you say? Hmm, that'd be very interesting when all the bots voted for something. Your suggestion would hand the whole game to the botters and farmers. They'd just put their programs to vote the way they like and boom, next we know there is no more L2.

So, you've looked the skills up, on a _WEBSITE_. Or seen them used in arena. That still doesnt mean you know waht they do. You havent seen how they effect player stats, what dmg they do or what effects they have on game play. You dont know their cooldown timers, how well they work with certain setups and so on. You basically know what their icon looks on the skill bar and what the short description on the skill says, nothing more. You're in your 30's, well, once you hit say 52, you wont even use those old skills of yours. How could you judge the gameplay when you havent even seen most of the content yet?

admiral_ju00

02-11-2006, 03:32 AM

He doesn't even read the responces he recieves, how would he answer it.

I'm still waiting on his reply on this:
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by TimeCop

Did I say Give Line Age 2 A Bad Raiting? No I didnt say bad, But if I got G4, or something to come sign up, and paid for their subscript + a CD for them to get on, they would probabily do it, and they would see how hard it is as a newbie, then they would rate it bad, Im not asking them to rate it bad, but they would... Im saying something needs to be done, or this game is seriously going to loose customer's, and we dont want that, Im trying to make a point...

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by: admiralju00

Here, let me help you.

This is a 2+ year old Review of Lineage 2 by GameSpy.
GameSpy L2 Review (date of review: May 29,2004) (http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/lineage-ii-the-chaotic-chronicle/519680p1.html)

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which is in this thread: Sugguestions Read Now! (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=511376&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=5&vc=1)

which I asked him to comment on it even in his PM to me. :eek:

TimeCop

02-11-2006, 03:49 AM

When I first posted this, I didn't mean for it to turn into a flame, thats why I posted the 2nd one, but the thing seems to be this... I did not say players put their votes on there...

NC soft puts the votes on it before each upgrade, NC Soft puts them, Like NC soft says this on the Poll option, we do not choose what we want to vote for, We just choose what we want changed, before its changed in C4, that way people who did not want the Dice taken out of the game will actually get a chance to vote to keep them in, and the people who wanted their summons not to change, can vote for them to stay, or change...

Decrease the damage of all mages?
(Yes) (No) (No Answer)

NC Soft makes the Pool, We vote on it, We cannot make our own pools tho, that would be insane...

RunningFox

02-11-2006, 04:13 AM

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Ever heard of a thing called Equal Right's? I know this is just a game, but you were a newbie too...

Equal Rights = This means that no matter if the player is a newbie or not, they will be allowed to vote, and it will only be able to vote voted 1 time per account, this means that they cannot use other characters... They are paying for the game the same as you and me, so whats the diff?

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I know you're understanding of US Law is pretty limited, but your use of an emotional plea to "equal rights" is neither founded in Constitutional Law (the system of laws under which the United States operates), nor is it true in it's application in any democractic society.

Let's take for example the very thing you are trying to suggest. A voting system. Some have suggested that even if implemented there should be a level limit on the system. Does that violate "Equal Protection", which is the legal term under the 14th Amendment to which I think you are trying to refer? No. Why, because this country has long recognized that there are those of less experience, who for the very reasons other seasoned players have mentioned are not capable of making a free standing decision. You cannot vote in a legal election in the United States under the age of 18. It's that simple. It used to be 21, it used to be only Whites, it used to be only Male. This country has learned over the past 200 years, that those types of distinctions based on colour and gender were violative of Equal Protection. But, my friend, I'm afraid that age does not. Age and in the present case level would treat ALL parties equally. You would have a "right" to vote as soon as you reached a level of experience where it was determined you could make an educated choice.

Also on your Alien example. We have all sorts of aliens in the United States, alien (foreign) students on visas, alien employees, tourists, etc... They might know more about U.S. politics than you or I do, but still they CANNOT vote. Does that violate Equal Protection? No. Because countries have determined that they do not want aliens from other countries affecting their political system. I cannot vote in the election of the Chancellor of Germany, nor can my friend SchmuseKatze vote for the President of the United States. It's a simple matter of citizenship.

Again, premises and conclusions that don't meet with logic. Should there be a voting system? Well L2, unlike some other real world scenarios is not a democracy, it is a commercial enterprise, where the right to vote that you get, is whether or not you chose to pay for the game. If a lot of people suddenly close their accounts, then NCSoft is going to wonder what they're doing wrong. That is the right to vote that you have in this game, if you're unhappy with the game, then please exercise it. The suggestion forum is placed for us to voice constructive suggestions. This is something that you, TimeCop, do on a regular basis. You have that right, so long as NCSoft allows it to you, please continue to suggest, although a majority of the L2 forum population tire of extreme suggestions that fail to use logical premises to come to logical conclusions.

Just my humble opinion. But learn Constitutional Law, at least the basics before you start making "equal rights" claims.

RunningFox

02-11-2006, 04:22 AM

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Hmm... Lets see, A new voting system would not screw up the game... Every time someone posts something it is turned into a flame, because you high level's do not want newbies to get a chance to vote, how is this right???

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Can we say OVERCLAIM? Every time that you post, your threads turn into flames, because people generally find that the logic you present to make your claim doesn't work. Either your premises are flawed, or they don't merit the conclusion you draw. In the present case, your premise that "equal rights" means everyone gets to vote is flawed.

You made the argument that we all pay the same, and when someone came back and logically showed you that someone how has played longer has paid more, then you turn back on your own argument and say that it doesn't matter. Which is it?

Your conclusion is that a voting system should be adopted and that all should get to vote. Now I'm not sure where the premise for this argument lies, but your conclusion that "all" should get to vote doesn't sum up with current political, commercial, or any other form of ideology. "All" don't get to vote in real life. "All" definitely don't get to vote in a commercial system such as L2, where the ruling entity choses by development what we all will see. NCSoft has in fact placed polls in threads before, and asked "everyone" including new players for their opinions. You have had the opportunity to express your opinion. Luckily, for you, they have not limited that expression to certain levels. But if something were to happen that would affect the whole game, and especially content to different levels, then I would hope that the questioner would get the information "from the horses mouth." Which means from those affected by the change, and not some random sampling of everyone. Political pollsters call a category of people for their opinions, they don't call "everyone."