Spoiling Crahes half of party

[Apoco]

When our Dwarf spoils, usually half of the party crahses, this happenes often.

It kicks random poeple out, sometimes its the same people. But its a critical error, making spoiling almost impossible to spoil because every couple minutes, half of our party crahes...

We tried this in different locations and same problem

This is on the Gustin Server.

[areYouBlind]

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Because very little of this thread is constructive and I've had to remove several posts encouraging players to modify their client, I am closing this thread now. If you feel you have additional details to report on this bug, please contact the Support Team. We will make an announcement as soon as we have more information. Thank you!

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It i snot a very good response ?
Stop fire, we know we are so bad stop hitting guys :/
Very good, reaction from "support", really nice to see our monney is well used by you

"Thanks to play lineage ]["

[TheIronGolem]

I also am unalb eto be in party with our guild spoiler in MArtyrs for long or we will crash out. Further I am not able to play my spoiler in any grp atm since we cna;t do our job spoiling plz address this issue

[SoulMagic]

This seems to occur when something sweeps multiples like 2 stems. Its very similar to the crashing bug from manor seeding in C3 so I am wondering why it's taking so long to fix :confused:

[Mistryl]

The crashing issue currently caused by Sweep/Spoil in a party has been reported to the development team to be fixed as soon as possible. I still don’t have any updated information on a fix at this time, but it remains a high priority.

[Wetzel]

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The crashing issue currently caused by Sweep/Spoil in a party has been reported to the development team to be fixed as soon as possible. I still don’t have any updated information on a fix at this time, but it remains a high priority.

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Thanks for the update. Some fixes just take time - too bad the game is not crashing each time the spoil/sweep is being done; sounds aweful I know but I'd think it would be a faster find/fix. Atleast we know NCSoft knows that there are issues with spoiling/sweeping.

[CraftMatic]

this crash only happens with mobs that spoil multiples of a single item/material. (i.e spoiling 3 metallic fiber from a hallate inspector)

what happens is that your system message tells everyone in the party(who doesnt crash) that the person recieved 2 metallic fiber but the person who actually recieved the spoil will get a message saying they got 3. We have tested this many times and it seems to be what is causing the problem. because mobs that only spoil 1 mat/item at a time never crash the party. also multiple spoils will not crash party either (i.e. "xxx" mob spoils 1stone of purity, 1 animal bone, and 1 coal all in one sweep)

for now there are 2 options..either find out which mobs spoil multiple single items and avoid them....orrrrr run the risk of being banned and use walker...cuz for some reason the botters are not affected by this bug :)

[PleChan]

Yeah NCSoft have FULL detail whats causing this bug, they are just sick slow to fix it, to fix a typo but yeah not much we can do about it just wait till they decide that it's worth to fo fix it so we can start play again.

And yeah the bug ONLY hapens when you spoil stackable items of more hten one at a time.
Also only hapens for the ones who did not get that spoil curently ,becsoe this is hte system msg who's messed up.

So yeah you can still spoil playing solo, OR playing in areas where mobs only spoil one item at a time and never two.

So hopfully they decide soon to fix this as it's going on my nervs how hard there is for a company to fix a typo, then imagine what wuld hapen when they need to fix a REAL bug. Thoght thers still tons of real bugs not fixed so yeah..

[CantoScav]

I've been doing quite well in spoiling around it lately. I found some spots where Im VERY happy spoiling(When the mob turns blue, I make a mil, blueness happens 5-8 times an hour).

Fix it or not. Right now I dont care. Its keeping other BHs from going out and spoiling which means I keep my secrets for now.

[Spulka]

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I've been doing quite well in spoiling around it lately. I found some spots where Im VERY happy spoiling(When the mob turns blue, I make a mil, blueness happens 5-8 times an hour). Fix it or not. Right now I dont care. Its keeping other BHs from going out and spoiling which means I keep my secrets for now.


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Made a mil of 6x spoiling - WOW thats an impressive achievement! :D :D :D

I guess thats because of the spot :D

[Tryten]

Is there any way support could fix this a little faster? I'm making too much **** money going out soloing.

[areYouBlind]

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The crashing issue currently caused by Sweep/Spoil in a party has been reported to the development team to be fixed as soon as possible. I still don’t have any updated information on a fix at this time, but it remains a high priority.

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It takes years for low priority problems, it's is possible to have a deadline for the fix ? Because as soon as possible seems to be not really precise...

[Hammered]

It needs to be in tomorrow's maintenance. The offending piece of "code" has been identified by a user. A fix shouldn't really be too hard now should it?

I will be amazed if such a simple fix cannot be implemented by tomorrow. However, all I really expect to see is another attempt to re-enable dice, because that's what's really important. The ability that allows a certain class to get a group (which is it's only real effective way of levelling at higher levels) can wait another week.

;)

[PleChan]

Yeah it's taken way to long right now :/ And still no indication that this will be fixed tommorow.

It's for sure not even prioritiesed, becose yeah NCsoft have all the detail they need and yet not fixing it. Can we have an explonation of that?

[MrBungle]

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It's for sure not even prioritiesed, becose yeah NCsoft have all the detail they need and yet not fixing it. Can we have an explonation of that?

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They would give an explaination on it, but its really hard to stay popular after telling a bunch of paying customers to go screw themselves. NCSoft has taken a dump on everyone who plays our class. I never thought I'd say crappy programmers would be a reason for quitting this game. I quit many games like Shadowbane(horrible stability), Horizons(a complete joke), and WoW(server was always down on the days I wanted to play) not because I wasn't interested in them, but because their programming was horrible, and the game itself overall sucked.

Anytime I quit L2 in the past, it was always about being sick of the grind, or just being burnt out in general. NEVER was it about crappy programmers. Well, if it isn't fixed by the end of the week, and I'm forced to endure a third week of being a useless class, unable to find groups, unable to spoil when in groups and unable to have MY fun in this game, then I will be cancelling my account, this time not because I'm not interested or burnt out, but because NCSoft's programmers completely suck, for lack of a better word.

You know what the coding problems are, so FIX IT.

[PleChan]

MrBungle your not the only one feeling the very same right now, I for one is one of them, plus I know many more who feel the same.

[Spulka]

Its really strange that this is not fixed yet and there is no any deadline published. In Korea C4 was out for a long time and there is no problems with sweep...
I do not know what to think... :confused:
About my feelings... does anybody care?!

[Tryten]

Hopefully it will be fixed tomorrow...It's too risky to go to some of the newer areas and spoil because if I sweep my whole party could crash and I would left there alone to die.

[McLuhan]

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Its really strange that this is not fixed yet and there is no any deadline published. In Korea C4 was out for a long time and there is no problems with sweep...
I do not know what to think... :confused:
About my feelings... does anybody care?!

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I believe that this problem has gotten such a slow fix time precisely because it is not a problem in Korea. The problem exists with a typo in one of the translated "game message" data files in the C4 North America client.

Clearly, NCsoft/LineageII North America is not very well equipped to address NA-specific bugs in the client / translation process. If they were, this incredibly trivial bug would have been fixed weeks ago.

Really, this kind of issue should be given a much higher priority. It has a major impact on gameplay and is not what one would expect from a "first class" mmorpg.

Mystryl / Lin2 NA: please try and learn from this experience!? And if not, please at least try and get this bug fixed soon :/

[Nanashi_Naomhan]

is it possible to turn spoiling to non-share?
you know go back to c2 days and divide the loot after the party?

[PleChan]

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is it possible to turn spoiling to non-share?
you know go back to c2 days and divide the loot after the party?

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To non share you won't crash, but everyone else in your party still have that system msg who's bugged, and yep WILL crash.

[Bloomers]

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To non share you won't crash, but everyone else in your party still have that system msg who's bugged, and yep WILL crash.

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Rats. I really hope they fix this today. Those of us BH who aren't botted/walkered are really hurting (cept for those out soloing). Perhaps its because there are so few of us it has been swept under the rug.

[DaStalKer]

Starting to wonder if its EVER going to be fixed.. :(
In the "in development" section, nothing is said about this bug...

[Neuk]

lol dudes you gonna fix this or just implement it in c5 or encourage bountyhunters to run [censored]?????

[Skyler]

I would suggest instead of threatening to run a highly illegal piece of software you wait patiently for the fix.

Also instead of thinking of using such a thing perhaps try and find some alternative ways to deal with this bug without using such a thing.

There are plenty of mobs around that do not spoil multiples of a single item, selectively spoil only those for now. There is plenty of adena to be made and materials to be harvested off those types in the mean time.

[PleChan]

Skyler: It's not very nice of you to tell us how to play our chars. And 'only for now' yeah **** right, we are tired of waiting, most of us probobly quit soon as we after all can't play the class as we are MENT to play it, becose of an TYPO they are not able to fix.

I'm tired of this freeking waiting now, it's gone two weeks and yet not a fix if this typo.

There may be adena to make there, but thats maby not how I want to play my char, I know I can solo to get my spoil but I do not enjoy that. I've ben playing with my friends latly but I feel like big pece of useless crap for them right now when I can't spoil any but one monster in the areas we play, becose the rest risk us to crash.

Plus just knowing that, the fact that just one mistake of yours can make the entire group crash/die or whatever and thats done by a skill of yours called sweeper... fun huh? I can tell you it sucks playing like this.

And no I don't encurage anyone to do anything to break the eula, but we are tired of waiting here. And sure NCSoft encurage us, as all teh freekign bot parties out there run just freeking fine playing, and almost looks like NCSoft want all us dwarves to see this.

[Uehara]

There is already a patch for this problem provided by a third party.

It is utterly ridiculous that NCSoft NA doesn't have the means or manpower to correct these kinds of bugs/issues themselves before 3rd party person (random lineage2 gamer) does.

[Hammered]

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I would suggest instead of threatening to run a highly illegal piece of software you wait patiently for the fix.

Also instead of thinking of using such a thing perhaps try and find some alternative ways to deal with this bug without using such a thing.

There are plenty of mobs around that do not spoil multiples of a single item, selectively spoil only those for now. There is plenty of adena to be made and materials to be harvested off those types in the mean time.

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The only effective way for a higher level BH to get XP is in a group. The only way for a BH (non-clanned) to get in a group is by sharing spoils. A group tends to want to go to wherever the best XP is and takes spoil sharing as an added bonus.

So you suggest that the BH gets into a group (coz he needs to get XP) and then tells the group that they can't go where they wanted to go because some mobs spoil multiple items and he might make them all (or some of them) crash, possibly resulting in the remaining members dying because they can't handle the mobs with half a party.

How fast do you think they will select the BountyHunter and kick him from party? Let me tell you, it will be bloody quickly.

I can tell that you really thought that one through......for all of about a second.

On the issue of spoils, how do you know with any certainty what mob spoils what? The BH hasn't had much chance to spoil the mobs that he could be spoiling as part of a party due to this bug. Therefore he may get a rare multiple spoil and crash all his party. Until NCSoft put drop tables on their website I can think of only one place to find out spoil information, and that website is frowned upon by NCSoft.

Lastly, can I ask whether you play a high level BountyHunter? Because if you don't then you simply have no idea of the side-effects of this bug in terms of being able to gain XP. It isn't simply about spoiling items and making money.

[CantoScav]

Fortunately for me, my clanmates understand and we dont go to places that my spoiling will crash the party. I spoil around the mobs that would cause the issue(I've got a full page now of mobs I cant spoil, yes I keep a list). But they really want to go into Catacombs, but our favorite fast XP and good spoil spot has half the mobs unable to be spoiled due to this bug. I've told them to go ahead and go in without me, but they dont like leaving me behind(or any other clannie for that matter).

Just having the BH run an illegal program does not protect the rest of the party from crashing unless they all are running that program.

[Valdis]

We actually switched out one of our 2-boxed buffers for a 2-boxed lowlevel artisan who we dragged along just to sweep. It worked perfectly, not one crash while spoiling multiples (they later tried it with a dwarf in party and crashed). So, an out of party sweeper works, but its kind of annoying.

[Hammered]

And out of party sweepers tend to level very slowly. ;)

[Ramadear]

Its been a few weeks now and still no sign from ncsoft other than "we are working on it". I'm going to have to say it, this is just disgraceful and sad. To leave a whole class hindered like this and at tops leave the PAYING customers unable to play the class is just a smack in the face saying "we don't care". I would think that this would be on the ncsoft to do list for this maintence week, seems like not. What is more saddening is the fact that a no monthly fee game like Guild Wars fixes bugs etc within one day. I'm paying for this game per month so why can't I get the same treatment?

[MarcusAlberton]

Apart from the obvious affect on BH's the issue really is that trivial bugs (this is an easily identified one character change) of high priority do not get fixed quickly enough in Lineage2.

NCSoft currently have a bad reputation for turning around bug fixes like this too slowly in this game.

I sincerely hope that NCSoft use this as an opportunity to quickly fix a bug that is annoying everyone (we all like our spoils) and start to improve the reputation that they currently have in this area.

The ball is in your court NCSoft, please make the most of this opportunity to impress your customers.

[PleChan]

Sadly marcus it's gone to long now, they can't impress us, they wuld have impressed us if htey fixed it the fast few days, but now it's gone two weeks, and they clearly showed us that this is a low priority thing, as truly the bug is 100% identified.

I'm deeply hurt and ben thretened very badly by NCsoft due this, but yeah thers completly nothing we can do about it then wait.

[LordDraken]

Well I'm afraid if the truth hurts, then I might have to quit playing L2, this spoil issue really needs to be addressed. Spoiling is how I make my living on my BH. Don't worry about the bots, they have no soul. :D

[Angdil]

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The BH hasn't had much chance to spoil the mobs that he could be spoiling as part of a party due to this bug. Therefore he may get a rare multiple spoil and crash all his party.

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This happened to me. Our party resticted sweeps to mobs that did not spoil base mats, but a Bloody Lady swept TWO Black Ore recipes! I'd never had multiples of that before. It crashed every party member but me.

This bugs makes sweeping in any high-level area fraught with peril, since you may get some weird multiple sweep that you have not seen before.

I'm hoping today's maintenence will fix that coding error.

[PleChan]

It was not fixed, stop dream. Plus it's not a coding error, it's a typo, but well made code this typo wuld never crash the client in the first place thoght it do.

Maby in 2-3 more months it's fixed, about the usual time ti takes for em.

[LordAno]

Please fix already.

This is the reason people go Bounty Hunters!!!. Its like a Nuker would crash the party if they use nukes!

[Tryten]

Anyone tested it after today's maintenance?

[Zephro_Carnelian]

not i but nc this is getting absurd fix the dammed bug or give us a update kdep us informed of whats going on

[Shortcake]

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Anyone tested it after today's maintenance?

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I'm pretty sure it wasn't fixed. If it was this post hidden in the complaint graveyard would have been unstickied and there would be a flashing neon post in general discussion saying "we fixed it, look how great we are"

[Mistryl]

A fix for this issue will be placed on the Public Test Server when the server returns to service (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=529842) today. Please let me know if you stop by the PTS and find that the same issue is occurring there. Thank you for your continued patience as we resolve this problem.

[Splatter]

Does that mean the fix has been placed on the normal servers? This is unclear to me....

[FILI_Lionna]

No it means the fix has been placed on the test server for testing and will be placed on the normal servers later.

[Splatter]

I know that... I just want to hear it from her. :o

[CantoScav]

I'd love to go to the test server and check, but I cant download it because your FTP server is overloaded. Wake me up when the fix hits live server and I can actually use it.

[McLuhan]

The funny thing is... dice were fixed in today's maintenance patch yet the whole "bounty hunter crashes entire party" bug remains unfixed. Yes, let's test on the PTS server first. But the fix, and the testing of the fix, should have been released at least a week ago.

[DarkMason1]

ok let me hop on test real fast and lvl a BH to 40+ today and see if it works,since you whiped my 77 BH i was testing c4 with.

[MarcusAlberton]

My subclassed Pally/HE will be a subclassed Pally/BH instead in a few hours and Ill test this on PTS.

I'm happy to see theres been a positive response to this, thanks Mistryl.

[MarcusAlberton]

Edit: PTS got wiped?

Any chance you guys can restore our characters from backup so we can test the fix for the spoil bug?

Seriously I cant afford the time to get a BH to 40 to test this (assuming it was a problem only after they reached 40).

[Mistryl]

To clarify, this has already been tested internally, so I am not requesting that someone has to test on the PTS to verify it. I only mentioned that if you happen to be starting a new character on the Test Server and find otherwise, we'd appreciate it if you let us know. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused!

[Hammered]

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To clarify, this has already been tested internally, so I am not requesting that someone has to test on the PTS to verify it. I only mentioned that if you happen to be starting a new character on the Test Server and find otherwise, we'd appreciate it if you let us know. I apologize for any confusion this may have caused!

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Cool. Now the 50,000 dollar question.

When is the fix going on the live servers? Please make an exceptional release for this one. :)

[Tio]

lol wanted to ask the same question (u were faster) ^^

If its internally tested already, why is it on the PTS and not on live server? It cant get worse, only better :)

[CantoScav]

Ok..back up. You tested this internally, you know it works, and you sent it to the PTS instead of the live servers WHY? IM giving up. This is pointless.

[Tio]

U guys better put that file on the live servers or the ppl go "rang rang" or "pkpk" on u guys...

[LordDraken]

For all the mass hysteria we should get mass sweep to go with our mass spoil. :D

[MarcusAlberton]

Guys have you ever worked for a large company?
Believe me, it is more like steering a houseboat than a racecar, even though some things are really easy to fix and promote, there are procedures and those procedures must be followed whether its a single simple change or a chronicle.

They have fixed the bug, tested it and put it on PTS. Sounds like the unit, functional, regression and now user testing of the bug is close to being over. They will get it signed off and get it promoted in the next few days.

Its moving in the right direction, be happy that things are happening, I'm sure we will have the fix on the live servers soon. Personally I'm just happy that NCSoft have listened to the people and are responding to it.

[CantoScav]

Marcus, when your character is unable to use hate because it crashes the party, let me know. Until then, dont come here and tell us to calm down. You can go and fully enjoy the new content. I can only enjoy parts of it because the rest of it crashes me and my party. This bug did NOT exist on the PTS originally, it appeared in the switch back to live servers. Have I made the most of it? Yes I have. But, this does hurt my enjoyment of the game, and my progress. I would have finished my Elysian craft by now, all I need is mithril ore to finish making DMP's, which at my level is a fairly common spoil that comes in multiples, hence making it impossible to farm. Sure, I could break out the low level scav again and go farm it one ore at a time, but that has two drawbacks. Firstly, Im not leveling my main at that time, secondly it is FAR less efficient.

Yes, it can be worked around, but the point is we shouldnt HAVE to work around this. It was a minor bug, diagnosed almost immediately(we were able to spot the cause after the second crash) we knew it wasnt the act of sweeper causing the problem, the skill was not to blame. There is/was an error that caused the game to report the wrong number of items resulting from the sweep.

It is an important enough problem that a fix should have been fast, and bypassed the PTS, but it hasnt and that bothers some people a lot.

[Hammered]

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Guys have you ever worked for a large company?
Believe me, it is more like steering a houseboat than a racecar, even though some things are really easy to fix and promote, there are procedures and those procedures must be followed whether its a single simple change or a chronicle.

They have fixed the bug, tested it and put it on PTS. Sounds like the unit, functional, regression and now user testing of the bug is close to being over. They will get it signed off and get it promoted in the next few days.

Its moving in the right direction, be happy that things are happening, I'm sure we will have the fix on the live servers soon. Personally I'm just happy that NCSoft have listened to the people and are responding to it.

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If they have such wonderfully thorough procedures then how come this error managed to get to the servers in the first place?

And every company that deals in software releases has an accelerated software release path for cases of fixing serious faults (fix when broke). To you, whose main character does not seem to be a spoiler, this may not seem like a serious fault. Believe me, it is.

As stated by Mystril, the process does not include user testing by us, the customers, and therefore it has been through it's complete testing cycle. We are simply asking that it's release not be held back until the next maintenance period. Understand?

[NNZorn]

Nooooooooooooooooo don't fix the bug, it's keeping people from sitting in farmer parties to get power leveled because they crash out, giving the people they grief time to catch up >.<

[Mistryl]

A server maintenance is planned for tomorrow (http://www.lineage2.com/news/development.html) with content that includes a fix for this issue. Thank you!

[Ramadear]

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A server maintenance is planned for tomorrow (http://www.lineage2.com/news/development.html) with content that includes a fix for this issue. Thank you!

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OMG <3 Mistryl.

[MarcusAlberton]

Hammered: if you dont think I worded my post carefully so as to try and speed this process up then you dont understand.

PS: I'm a software configuration manager at a large company.

PSS: I'm trying to level my scavvy as much as my paladin atm.

Thanks Mistryl

[CantoScav]

Thank you for getting it out fast. The pain was getting unbearable.

[ARXIMASTORAS]

PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU KNOW ABOUT MY PROBLEM.I HAVE 6 LVL DWARF AND AT MY VILLAGE IN ANY SHOP I CANNOT OPEN TRADERS DIALOG WINDOWS FOR BUY OR SELL.ALL THE OTHER DIALOG WINDOWS OF THE TRADERS ARE WORKING NORMALLY.PLEASE IF YOU kHOW INFORME.

[Trizie]

Try to "Initialize" the interface, this is done in the options.

Maybe you have somehow misplaced the tradewindow out of the L2 windoww.

[Hammered]

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Hammered: if you dont think I worded my post carefully so as to try and speed this process up then you dont understand.

PS: I'm a software configuration manager at a large company.


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If you think that anything we post here has a real bearing on what NCNA do then YOU don't understand. We simply post here to relieve frustration and raise awareness of our problems.

PS. I am a Systems Manager for a company that employs 250,000 staff and I manage software releases for the HR and Finance Systems. So touche (that doesn't look good without the accent :)). Shall we continue willy-waving?

PPS. Subtlety is wasted on these boards.

MOST IMPORTANTLY: Thanks NCNA (and Mystrilas the public face thereof) for realising the importance of this and scheduling an exceptional maintenance period. I'm sure all non-spoilers will be crying but they don't matter in the grand scheme of things. :p

[MrBungle]

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MOST IMPORTANTLY: Thanks NCNA (and Mystrilas the public face thereof) for realising the importance of this and scheduling an exceptional maintenance period. I'm sure all non-spoilers will be crying but they don't matter in the grand scheme of things. :p

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Well said. Also, Mistryl, none of this venting was directed at YOU even though it looked like it on alot of people's posts(myself included). Its an unfortunate neccessity that a person in your position was forced to be the messenger in the situation.

The bottom line now is that the spoil bug is finally fixed, and tomorrow Chronicle 4 officially begins for all bounty hunters, IMO. :D

[DaStalKer]

I agree, Mistryl is not the one to blame.
Thanks for fixing it, finaly my dorfie can go spoiling again :)

[Nanashi_Naomhan]

i swear i nearly got a party the other day
just i didnt wanna crash my whole party so i left the poor dorf to solo :(

[Xanthus_]

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I agree, Mistryl is not the one to blame.
Thanks for fixing it, finaly my dorfie can go spoiling again :)

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Just as much as Mistryl is not the one to blame, she's not the one to thank, either. In both respects, she is simply the messenger.

You should simply thank Mistryl for a swift communication between us an NC on this issue...which is probably not the case, either...you know Korea got the bugged patch first, complained about it first and probably had the fix before we even had the bug...so really, NCNA and NCNA's staff probably had very little to do with anything in this case.

[Spulka]

Thank you for fixing the bug
:) :) :)

[McLuhan]

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If you think that anything we post here has a real bearing on what NCNA do then YOU don't understand. We simply post here to relieve frustration and raise awareness of our problems.

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Isn't raising awareness of our problems (your words) affecting what NCNA does? Mistryl reads our posts and probably sometimes enters bugs and provides feedback to NCNA.

touché

P.S. Thanks for being patient with us impatient players Mystril. ::GLAD:: to have this issue fixed, even though it took a long time :-)