Fish Monster AI

[TheDemonKnight]

Hi everyone,

Something I have noticed since the launch of C4 is that if you are fishing and "catch" a mob after a few minutes the mob will lose intrest and disapear. This is something that the people who use bad things have figured out.

My suggestion is to not let the mobs lose aggro and disapear. If you are paying attention to your screen it is relatively easy to switch to your weapon and start killing the mob.

The temporary fix I have noticed to deter "bad players" is have a friend with freezing skin or blazing skin buff the "bad player". The mob doesn't seem to lose intrest quite so easily.

So NCsoft, it would be nice if you made it so the mobs did not lose intrest especially since we summon them by catching them.

Either that or actually do something about "professional bad players" aka the things we aren't allowed to mention because the company policy is if we can't talk about it it must not exsist.

[Champa]

So, what do you propose healer classes do, who don't have combat weapons, and won't invest in one for the sole purpose of fishing?

[Amys]

healer/bufer classes in my experience are limited to fishing in towns where theres lots of people (and a GK to tele away from stupid fish monsters if it gets that bad) or taking a 'fishing buddy' with them... i always bring a bodyguard with me when fishing on my EE, cant do anything alone in this game :P

[MalineII]

Sleep/root and log.

If you don't have a weapon good enough to do that with, you don't need to fish, as chances are you're just leeching money/exp in groups anyway and are rich enough to buy your proofs. :p

[TheDemonKnight]

Yeah keep in mind please. I'm not trying to hurt legitimate players by mentioning this. I can't tell you how many people I have bailed out of fishing mobs since C4 launched.

This is one of those things we can combat in the game. But I don't know about other servers but the market for PoF and other items from fishing is quickly becoming saturated due to these "professional bad players".

I don't know, it just feels like they are cheating, and I am getting really tired of people cheating and getting away with it.

[Champa]

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Sleep/root and log.

If you don't have a weapon good enough to do that with, you don't need to fish, as chances are you're just leeching money/exp in groups anyway and are rich enough to buy your proofs. :p

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Then they need to not make the mobs resistant to sleep and root. That's really the main reason I'm concerned about this suggestion.
Also, there are plenty of other things to get from fishing, than fishing proofs.
AND healers can get by with just about any weapon, if they only heal and buff. Maybe you call that leaching, but I'd like to see how the party fares without support classes.

[Gronmin]

Healers, Buffers can fight and kill mobs too is not like your killing a group of mobs is just one, learn and adapt if not i would gladly tell you to roll another class or go and subclass one.

[Champa]

Ya, but they need a non-mage weapon to do that. If fishing is the only situation they would need one, I think it would be pretty silly to go out and buy a weapon for 19 mil or so. Or they could buy the fishing mats for obscene amounts of money. I'm sure the price will drop, but you get my point.

[SilverWolfEcho]

My SE hasn't used a mage weapon since pre-40. No real point in it.

Lvl 70+ SE, with empower 3. Can't root the fishymob.

I can kill it just fine, self buffed.

[Stromnar]

Did you make it take it's clothes off first? :)

[MalineII]

My sleep lands fine on them at level 50 - and yes, I'm a summoner.

The sleep-root resistance isn't that bad, a healer can easily outstay one of those mobs long enough to get it to stay put.

[Champa]

I'm just judging by observing a fellow SE fail root on the mob 6-7 times or so before it landed. I haven't fished on my SE yet, and I think I'm gonna stick to my dwarves.
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I see a reason to use mage weapons: Acumen. It's incredibly useful to me. And I imagine I'm not alone. Not to mention conversion and mana up.
I am, however, getting a Carnage Bow with mana up. When I get that, I might consider fishing on my SE. But not everyone has that priviledge.

[TheDemonKnight]

The point I was trying to make keeps getting skipped over, it's not legitimate players I was trying to hurt. Healer or not, fish near friends or buff yourself before you start fishing.

But mobs that are summoned like this should not have a disapear timer that players can use health pots till the fish loses aggro.

If anything this disapearing act seems to encourage non-legitimate players to use other means to fish then what was intended.

[Champa]

I understand why you made this suggestion. I was just expressing my concerns about how this could hurt legit players without any real damage dealing abilities.
But I'm fine with your suggestion, if they make the mobs not resistant to sleep and hold. I can even live with it if they keep them resistant to magic.

Side note: The mobs aren't resistant to physical attack, are they? I don't get why they made them resistant to various types of magic, and not physical attack. But I suppose mystic classes have too much going for them as it is.

[Bluthusten]

So there is a "fishing party" of "professional bad players" that
use a "professional bad high level player" to just stand there
and nuke all the dark blue mobs that the "professional bad
fishermen" pull out of the water...

Even the "professional bad players" can get some "professional
bad player bodyguards"...

[TheDemonKnight]

I'd rather have someone guarding these guys then watch them never not catch a fish and never have any consequences for using a third party program to fish in the first place.

At least if they have a guard then I have a reason to do a sineater.

[Rothyn]

Can't kill these 'professional bad players' if they are fishing within city limits. Giran or Heine anyone?

Personally I don't see the point of doing that to fishing. You rarely pull up mobs anyway. It happens once or twice, but it's a money sink anyway. The way I see it, one doesn't fish if one doesn't have extra money to throw away on fishing. Have you seen how much those rods cost? Sheesh.

[SithMaster]

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Did you make it take it's clothes off first? :)

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<attacks SWE while she's fishing>

[Champa]

Off topic, but the only place in giran I have seen people fish is not safe zone. I tried to slap someone there to test it, and sure enough, i hit them and turned purple. (Location: the exit to the left of north gate).
Heine is a different story. That's definitely safe zone.

[TheDemonKnight]

On Hinde at least you can usually find quite a few fishing off the walls of Giran and inside Aden town as well. I have seen quite a few outside Giran North Gate.

As for fishing not being rewarding, well I have made quite a bit in the last few weeks in just casual fishing. Add to that the ability to make your own greater heal pots and haste 2 pots well, fishing is worth it.

The blazing and freezing skin idea was more of a no hassle, karma free way to combat "auto" fishers.

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[righteousOne]

Bad Idea leave it alone. Everyone can fish it is imposible for farmers/botters to fish all the fish out of the water so who cares if they do it. If you don't like the market prices fish yourself and if you don't like that you can't get top dollar TS do the mannor system. If fishing gets the bots out of the hunting grounds good! Petitioning here is not going to do anything I have reproted several times the bot activity in AL all a gm would have to do is walkthorugh the lair and write down names they could get a 100 a day no problem! But what does ncsoft do towards botters they put in new things to protect them like the 15 second wait before you can pick up a trained guys drops!

[SilverHawkdc2]

My wife has an EE that is 66...guess what-the mobs you catch are sleep and root resistant - doesn't work. She has a carnage bow yet does less damage to them than she takes sooooooo I'm glad they disappear period

[Kruken]

I saw someone 2 days after C4 went live with 100,000 proofs of catching fish for sale. 200 hairpin pieces, and 25,000 shiny fish gems. Hmm I guess its not that hard to cheat at fishing.

As far as a money sink. I only play 2 hours a day after work during the week. Now in C4 I fish during the week just to make extra cash. It was nice at first I made about 6mil the first week fishing. Now POCF are everywhere and of course the price has dropped some but it is still profitable as long as you dont buy fishing shots and make them yourself.

Fishing is still profitable but it will definatley dwindle and be an obsolete thing to do here soon. With auto 24/7 fisherman there will be too much product in the market.

[TheDemonKnight]

Yes, a clear indication of how 24/7 "auto" players mess up the economy of this game and control it.

Sadly Ncsoft doesn't want it's real players to enjoy the game for what it is. 4 Chronicles and OB and nothing solid to get rid of illegal program use is a travesty. Not that it matters, this thread will eventually be locked and ignored much like the "offical" bot behavior thread is ignored now.

I love Lineage2, the graphics and setup is excellent, unfortunatly if I was to vote for it being the best MMO out there it wouldn't get a vote since all NCsoft seems to care about is the subscriptions "professional farmers" give to them.

[Kruken]

I was reading the PC gamer mag for this month. In the front there was an article where they have made it an official policy not to advertise game currency farming companies in thier magazine.

Atleast its a start.