Hinde sieges... LOL...Kumbaya...

[Medina1]

I was watching tonight's Oren siege and I thought cool lot's of people. Then nothing really happened. More people came and nothing. It's like a huge cookout. The only time someone died was when some poor noob who's prolly level 12 got on the field and was instantly killed. LAWL. Then when asked why he was killed, they're told they stopped into the battlefield.

Yet when an alliance/clan who is not registered comes in for combat, they are called griefers. So what's with the two facing and why is everyone so "HELLO"? I mean 200 or so high level people waiting for 1 noob to stomp in and then saying "woot pwned". LAWL

WTB kumbaya.ogg

[ducceus]

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I was watching tonight's Oren siege and I thought cool lot's of people. Then nothing really happened. More people came and nothing. It's like a huge cookout. The only time someone died was when some poor noob who's prolly level 12 got on the field and was instantly killed. LAWL. Then when asked why he was killed, they're told they stopped into the battlefield.

Yet when an alliance/clan who is not registered comes in for combat, they are called griefers. So what's with the two facing and why is everyone so "HELLO"? I mean 200 or so high level people waiting for 1 noob to stomp in and then saying "woot pwned". LAWL

WTB kumbaya.ogg

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This thread is funny lol

[SithMaster]

I was on my strider at the start...that is all the entertainment you require.

[TheDemonKnight]

No it does pose a good point as to why everyone seems to rush to defend a clan that holds a castle when it never seems to run a manor system.

We went to see what was up since our ally took Dion last night we had no intentions of trying to take another castle from anyone, but pvp and 1% deaths are a once every two week event on this server. Saw plenty of the servers powerhouses with reds in their midst and alot of running around aimlessly by pretty much everyone.

Funny story though, there was this guy named 2shotter, I know he is in Aegis but not what clan...he kept saying things like...leave or die...die now if you dun leave and some other things. Well the first time they did drop our small little party, the second time we got a small measure of revenge. Gotta love Daranduil's PR2 for those situations that just make you scratch your head and say...uh ok.

Maybe new alliance and we can get a running manor system. To late for me now though, no longer farming coins outside IT :(

[Johannus]

Centurions kept oren??? O.o
Wow, saw like 15 clans signed to attack lol.

[Bru3nor]

Nothing you can do to take it when the Server zerg defends them.

[Blue6]

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Centurions kept oren??? O.o
Wow, saw like 15 clans signed to attack lol.

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Yeah, siege was a bore tho.

Evo up in IT, Storm gathered outside Oren.
And no one tried to attack the castle.
What a let down...


I only got to kill one person. :(

[SithMaster]

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Centurions kept oren??? O.o
Wow, saw like 15 clans signed to attack lol.

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Yeah, siege was a bore tho.

Evo up in IT, Storm gathered outside Oren.
And no one tried to attack the castle.
What a let down...


I only got to kill one person. :(

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We attacked the castle o.O Put up flags, wiped the defenders coming out of the back of the castle. Then the defenders from outside the castle came...Storm and Legend lost all last night to Epoch/Divine/Oblivion. Not sure what else happened...I was only able to be online about 35 mins.

[TheDemonKnight]

Evo won the field the night before at Dion, those of us that came, came cause we had nothing better to do.

Heaven forbid if we tried to take two castles.

[bigpoppapump]

Went there cause I got a pm of sabastian saying we had people on the field. When I got there realised it was 1 group of people watching the seige who got attacked for watching.

Aparently Centurions is joining Ageis, Ageis went there to defend the castle for thier allaince. We were cool with epoch running with them at IT. The got a message saying Epoch were ther for Storm and Legend but we are KOS if we go on the seige grounds...

Makes me laugh, we had no problems with epoch and we were signed up to attack. But we wouldn't be " ALLOWED" to through server Policing.

We never came there anyway to take anyway, 1 castle is nuff for an allaince for now.

I can understand an allaince going to pvp an allaince they dun like but to go and defend a castle that did not run a manor system for the last 2 weeks.

As if the farmers need an excuse to get richer......

[Blue6]

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I can understand an allaince going to pvp an allaince they dun like but to go and defend a castle that did not run a manor system for the last 2 weeks.

As if the farmers need an excuse to get richer......

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There is a valid reason for the manor system not running for the last two weeks. Please ask questions before making comments about someone.
For those of you who don't know, when C4 came out Strahds was out of town. And the monies invested in the manor system were still in the castle vaults. I don't think anyone really figured that NC Soft would screw them out of their money. But alas, they actually did something they said they wouldd and deleted all the money in the castle vaults.
Unfortunate for Centurions, and unfortunate for the botters and farmers who use those seeds. I still had plenty of Oren seeds tho (I like to keep stock of everyone's seeds in case I need to farm around their areas :)) so no bother to me. Other towns take the crops just as well.

[Runicalia]

Well my clan was defending Oren last night,and yes,the full siege was a bore,just a rush at the start,with the result of storm being stampeded....then 1 hour and 40 mins of bore. :-P

I must say that it was my 1st siege,and for me was fun to see adrelanin pump when the enemy chokes with you in a manowar-like way.I want more and better :-D

[SomeFlame]

Keep your manor system down and you should see better.

[Andothe]

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Well my clan was defending Oren last night,and yes,the full siege was a bore,just a rush at the start,with the result of storm being stampeded....then 1 hour and 40 mins of bore. :-P

I must say that it was my 1st siege,and for me was fun to see adrelanin pump when the enemy chokes with you in a manowar-like way.I want more and better :-D

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You know how to get it ...O.O

All I want to say is ty for Oren, it made the cemetery almost free for me to level an alt for a bit. Some nub named targic kept ks'ing me though :(

[Madavikia]

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Isnt our manor system .

[Berries]

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I can understand an allaince going to pvp an allaince they dun like but to go and defend a castle that did not run a manor system for the last 2 weeks.

As if the farmers need an excuse to get richer......

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There is a valid reason for the manor system not running for the last two weeks.

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What about the 1 month+ before those two weeks that it was not running? Despite the war with storm, I personally did not attend the seige this round because of the mis-management of the manor in oren. Doesn't sound like it mattered tho.

[Blue6]

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I can understand an allaince going to pvp an allaince they dun like but to go and defend a castle that did not run a manor system for the last 2 weeks.

As if the farmers need an excuse to get richer......

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There is a valid reason for the manor system not running for the last two weeks.

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What about the 1 month+ before those two weeks that it was not running? Despite the war with storm, I personally did not attend the seige this round because of the mis-management of the manor in oren. Doesn't sound like it mattered tho.

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You can blame that on Daxtro's inability to run a castle :P
Still, I have like 10k Oren seeds if anyone needs them :)

For a price, that is.

[Myobu]

One of the reasons I wanted to start playing L2 again was for the castle battles. Are they going to be this uneventful or is this rare?

[Sixkiller]

Argilus and Achyliss were up half the night getting up to speed on the manor system for Oren. We want it up and running as well! We all have seeds too! LOL
This is the highest priority to get the Oren Manor System running and running well. No worries it's going to happen ASAP.

Yeah this was a potentially epic seige that just didn't happen. Probably the highlight was the treachery of NewOrder hanging back and killing all the Castle NPC's. Pretty slick work IMO. ^^

[FinalJudgment]

Yeah heh that "level 12" was me lol. I was actually there to help the defenders because of a promise I made, and I wasn't exactly in top grade gear because I am currently in the process of rerolling, but yeah lol I mean I do admit I look a little suspicous, should of wore my paper bag :eek:, but all in all it was all good, besides I show up to a lot of sieges just randomly lol, exp dosnt bother me that much if it did then I wouldn't be going out and soloing raid bosses for fun.

[Targic]

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Well my clan was defending Oren last night,and yes,the full siege was a bore,just a rush at the start,with the result of storm being stampeded....then 1 hour and 40 mins of bore. :-P

I must say that it was my 1st siege,and for me was fun to see adrelanin pump when the enemy chokes with you in a manowar-like way.I want more and better :-D

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You know how to get it ...O.O

All I want to say is ty for Oren, it made the cemetery almost free for me to level an alt for a bit. Some nub named targic kept ks'ing me though :(

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T_T

[kandlestik]

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Yeah this was a potentially epic seige that just didn't happen. Probably the highlight was the treachery of NewOrder hanging back and killing all the Castle NPC's. Pretty slick work IMO. ^^

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why did that happen anyway? did they just go crazy all of the sudden for no apparant reason. If someone all of a sudden attacked the castle during this "treachery" that would make sense. Looked like to me how someone acts if they are promised something for helping and are getting screwed, or are just bored. I have no idea what went on. I hear a bunch of people yelling backstabber, then nothing else happened.

[ducceus]

can big boy Epoch teach little man Centurian run the manor system please ? I dont care who own the castle. All i need is the manor system is up and running.

[Ventx]

I'm getting quite tired of every alliance making backdoor deals behind Legend and Storm. Legend and Storm both deserve at least 1 castle each but Divine/Core/Epoch and 4-5 other alliances all gang up and take us out 500-250 in numbers.

If it isn't just backdoor deals our two alliances are left out of, then why the hell do these alliances all help each other thwart us? I may be wrong but I don't think Divine/Core dislike Legend/Storm but maybe Epoch does. Then... whats the reasons for Core/Divine to defend Epoch? Please enlighten me. I haven't had a fun siege on Hindemith since Aden fell.

[ducceus]

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I'm getting quite tired of every alliance making backdoor deals behind Legend and Storm. Legend and Storm both deserve at least 1 castle each but Divine/Core/Epoch and 4-5 other alliances all gang up and take us out 500-250 in numbers.

If it isn't just backdoor deals our two alliances are left out of, then why the hell do these alliances all help each other thwart us? I may be wrong but I don't think Divine/Core dislike Legend/Storm but maybe Epoch does. Then... whats the reasons for Core/Divine to defend Epoch? Please enlighten me. I haven't had a fun siege on Hindemith since Aden fell.

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Dont worry, Nothing last forever.

[FIash]

When's the last time Legend seiged alone Vent?

[Lijiela]

That was a boring siege... The only fun part is i asked the buffer to buff Zerg for Luke and my archer crit him for 1.7k damage (love tanker w/o shield :D ) :p.

[ducceus]

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When's the last time Legend seiged alone Vent?

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New year seige. We defend it again the Epoch's ghost that never showed up.

[surgec]

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When's the last time Legend seiged alone Vent?

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don't expect to 'backdoor' others and zerg the living [censored] out of a castle and then cry when you get 'backdoor'd

[SithMaster]

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I'm getting quite tired of every alliance making backdoor deals behind Legend and Storm. Legend and Storm both deserve at least 1 castle each but Divine/Core/Epoch and 4-5 other alliances all gang up and take us out 500-250 in numbers.

If it isn't just backdoor deals our two alliances are left out of, then why the hell do these alliances all help each other thwart us? I may be wrong but I don't think Divine/Core dislike Legend/Storm but maybe Epoch does. Then... whats the reasons for Core/Divine to defend Epoch? Please enlighten me. I haven't had a fun siege on Hindemith since Aden fell.

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Pff stop whining. I'm lovin our warlist. /clanwarinvite all Epoch clans. Next day...Oblivion ally sends war declarations. Domi's response was to war invite before Oblivion could even finish with all of em :p Hell even our two box clans sent the invites!

So far it's
Luke 5
Epoch 1 (but technically 27 v 1 doesnt count when you have to heal :P)
Oblivion 0

Never tell me the odds Vent ;)

[SithMaster]

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That was a boring siege... The only fun part is i asked the buffer to buff Zerg for Luke and my archer crit him for 1.7k damage (love tanker w/o shield :D ) :p.

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You wish, the only one killin me was Dukester. Better double check your targets :p A 75 PR can't crit for 1k full buffs.

[FIash]

Those numbers....they are amount of hours sitting in town..? Or... someone help me out here :(

[SithMaster]

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Those numbers....they are amount of hours sitting in town..? Or... someone help me out here :(

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Thats funny cause Ive been logged in 2 hrs in the past two days but good try. Titans was the last clan to accept war gg.

[Spitner]

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Thats funny cause Ive been logged in 2 hrs in the past two days but good try. Titans was the last clan to accept war gg.

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Only because our clan leader was last to login...

You ain't foolin' nobody, twinkletoes... the only PvP you take part in is at a hockey rink.

:D

[Sorrus]

Since u want to post the numbers :p

Sorrus: 24
Storm: 2

[Spitner]

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New year seige. We defend it again the Epoch's ghost that never showed up.

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You weren't even alone then. There were more Storm there than Legend. Myn and Monxide were more of a threat than all of the Legend there combined.

[TaUrInGoDfAtHeR]

Hmmm,the crying begins..

Storm(old ZoR) and Legend;When it was you all vs MaFiA it was all good and s***.Now that the tables turned you all cry ZERG(GG)

Oblivion(old MaFiA) you are doing the same thing you all did in the past.Going after the your old enemies but weird part is,you are trusting the same ppl that backstab you b4(Divine)
Then when you all leave Oren you left behind a group griefing outside of gates hitting every1 that goes by.Reminder that this will get you more enemies that you did in the past.

Epoch;WTH is going on up there in your little heads?Before you where all cool but now that you have a taste of power you all go crazy griefing and all the BS.Reminder those who put you there will surely get tire of it all.

Divine and Core;You are doing the same thing over and over and no1 does anything which ATM is ok but some1(alliances) soon will get the guts to take you all down.

PS but since this is a carebear server this I just wrote will fall into def ears.Anyway I had fun pvp/pk who ever I want and if I see any1 purple that I dont like its going down.So plz continue all this mess,remember I can hit from a distance. ;)

[Spitner]

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You deserve a castle when you can take a castle.

By the way, the fact that your alliances are running into so much trouble at sieges has nothing to do with "backdoor" deals.

In my opinion, it has to do with attitude and the perception that many on the server have of Storm and Legend Alliances. Your leadership made it's stance obvious when Ellden said that he would never do a 1 v 1, and that he doesn't play the game that way. He plays to win. He said to "bring all of your friends" to take or defend a castle. That is exactly what has been happening since the fall of Aden.

You asked for it, you got it.

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Ok...that's not all true. It's really all Karigan's fault. :eek:

[DrGiggles]

It's just me but I'm pretty sure in a seige, Core could defend Innadril by themselves. But you know, that's just me. :cool:

[Ventx]

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Legend and Storm both deserve at least 1 castle

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You deserve a castle when you can take a castle.

By the way, the fact that your alliances are running into so much trouble at sieges has nothing to do with "backdoor" deals.

In my opinion, it has to do with attitude and the perception that many on the server have of Storm and Legend Alliances. Your leadership made it's stance obvious when Ellden said that he would never do a 1 v 1, and that he doesn't play the game that way. He plays to win. He said to "bring all of your friends" to take or defend a castle. That is exactly what has been happening since the fall of Aden.

You asked for it, you got it.

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Ok...that's not all true. It's really all Karigan's fault. :eek:

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You know why Ellden would never do a 1v1? Well I speak of experience when I led Enchanted. I always wanted a 1v1 fight for a castle. Did I get one? No. Besides from my PoV the only thing my alliance (Legend) does without Storm is raid. I don't have a problem with zerg. But just tell me the reason for it. Telling me that it's because we used to zerg is BS. We never did [censored] to 90% of our opposition.

Not whining. Looking for a sane answer to a legitimate question. And when I say "Legend and Storm both deserve a castle" I mean Epoch has Aden and Gludio and could probably get owned by Divine which is a much smaller alliance. Everytime I've seen Epoch get a castle they always have Divine and Core cattering to them. I don't hate any alliance, I'm just curious what drove these madmen running the alliances these days to just decide to turn on Legend.

Although I don't hate any alliances like I previously stated I'm actually getting sick and tired of Divine switching back and forth between sides.

[mrme64]

I imagine it goes something like this. Divine helped Epoch take Aden when Legend wouldn't accept a 1vs1 and they lost their castle because they were too busy helping Epoch. Epoch then repays the favour by helping Divine take Godard castle. Epoch is at war with FS so went to Giran to fight FS and after losing their castle, the rest of Storm declares war on Epoch because they are mad for losing their castle. Oren( owned by Centurions who helped Epoch take Aden) is being attacked by who? O right, Storm. So Epoch shows up to fight the people they are war with. I don't think Epoch has anything against Legend, but when Legend goes everywhere Storm goes(or vice versa) then Epoch will likely be there fighting Storm and consequently Legend. Why don't you try challenging Epoch, or Divine, or Core to a 1vs1? I'm sure they would accept and you really got nothing to lose. Like someone on Legend forums said : We haven't won a siege in how long? Why should we go dusk and lose because we have no organization when it's just going to kill our morale even more.

[Spitner]

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Why don't you try challenging Epoch, or Divine, or Core to a 1vs1? I'm sure they would accept and you really got nothing to lose.

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I was about to say the same thing...

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Like someone on Legend forums said : We haven't won a siege in how long? Why should we go dusk and lose because we have no organization when it's just going to kill our morale even more.

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Ouchie...

[ducceus]

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I imagine it goes something like this. Divine helped Epoch take Aden when Legend wouldn't accept a 1vs1 and they lost their castle because they were too busy helping Epoch. Epoch then repays the favour by helping Divine take Godard castle. Epoch is at war with FS so went to Giran to fight FS and after losing their castle, the rest of Storm declares war on Epoch because they are mad for losing their castle. Oren( owned by Centurions who helped Epoch take Aden) is being attacked by who? O right, Storm. So Epoch shows up to fight the people they are war with. I don't think Epoch has anything against Legend, but when Legend goes everywhere Storm goes(or vice versa) then Epoch will likely be there fighting Storm and consequently Legend. Why don't you try challenging Epoch, or Divine, or Core to a 1vs1? I'm sure they would accept and you really got nothing to lose. Like someone on Legend forums said : We haven't won a siege in how long? Why should we go dusk and lose because we have no organization when it's just going to kill our morale even more.

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so... please tell how you get access in our forum O.O ??

[Spitner]

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so... please tell how you get access in our forum O.O ??

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Probably the same way that Legend got spies into Epoch. Don't have your folks brag about being in another alliance's forums, ally chat, and Vent... then, come on here acting like you've been violated. Ha!!!

What goes around comes around...

[mrme64]

I have access to a few forums here and there. Having a clanless main and a few alts around makes it pretty easy to get access to any forum...

[Spitner]

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Having a clanless main and a few alts around makes it pretty easy to get access to any forum...

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Heh... having a clanless main doesn't matter when dealing with alts, unless one of the clans/alliances demands a screenie of your login screen. Even then, if you have 3 - 4 accounts, that doesn't help either.

[Sorrus]

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Having a clanless main and a few alts around makes it pretty easy to get access to any forum...

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Heh... having a clanless main doesn't matter when dealing with alts, unless one of the clans/alliances demands a screenie of your login screen. Even then, if you have 3 - 4 accounts, that doesn't help either.

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ppl do this? O.O

[mrme64]

Bah. Only one account here, but it's true. Doesn't really matter about your main, but I normally don't like getting involved in the political garbage so clanless main suits me. I usually just post when people whine or are missing the obvious/misinformed. Doesn't really matter who, but usually defending Legend or Epoch because they are often unfairly targeted :( .

[SithMaster]

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Since u want to post the numbers :p

Sorrus: 24
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Since the war was declared? ROFL you don't get kills, Erevin steals them all...always was a KSer.

[Sansone]

EPOCH attacked Gludio alone, we won. EPOCH challenged Legend to a 1 vs 1 @ Aden, we fought vs. CORE/Legend/Storm because Ellden and other leadership in Legend said EPOCH couldn't be trusted. We registered to attack New Years Eve to see how Legend/Storm and others would handle it. We then attacked the next cycle and took Ellden's advice, get friends. We got friends, we came, we sieged, we won.

Part of our agreement with our associates was to help Divine get Goddard the very 1st cycle it was available, we did that. We told Centurions we would help defend their castle, we have done that a few times. There were some other deals made, which will be dealt with in the future. Vent, I advise you take your own ally leaders advice, make more friends and bring them to siege us if you wont 1 vs 1 us.

As far as the giran siege goes, we are at war with Faded Steel because they came to our vent server after a problem happened, and said "lets war" so we are at war, and Storm says they wont get involved. We then show up to giran siege ground and kill storm/legend and a few others (why shouldnt we? you have attacked gludio with legend, or did you forget that?) and it just so happens our good friend Oblivion (<3 you Lush and company) were attacking, EPOCH would have been there reguardless. Domisun got ****** off in the heat of the moment (happens to the best of us) and declared war on us (as did all but 1 storm clan, lionharts) we gave them a day to think about it before we declared back on them. We were then approached by Storm asking if we could end the war under the condition that we return all the items EPOCH has aquired over the last few weeks on Storm's reds. We offered to sell it back to Storm at a very discounted price, and they said no. We are very happy with this war, and will continue to war Storm until they withdraw or agree to buy back the gear they lost and withdraw 1st. I told Karigan if Legend wanted to get involved and kill/grief EPOCH during this war, we would be more than happy to war Legend as well. Since I told that to Karigan, Legend has not attacked an EPOCH member. Take it how you want, thats what happened.

Grats to all the new castle owners this cycle, and grats to all the people who defended their castles.

[mrme64]

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EPOCH attacked Gludio alone, we won. EPOCH challenged Legend to a 1 vs 1 @ Aden, we fought vs. CORE/Legend/Storm because Ellden and other leadership in Legend said EPOCH couldn't be trusted. We registered to attack New Years Eve to see how Legend/Storm and others would handle it. We then attacked the next cycle and took Ellden's advice, get friends. We got friends, we came, we sieged, we won.


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I don't think CORE helped defend Aden for Legend, but I could be wrong as I don't attend many sieges. I thought it was QuickSilver though.

[SithMaster]

You missed the part where you asked for Mafia's help when we ally warred you :p

We are well aware that Legend does not seem interested in a mass war so Storm thought, well if these guys wanna siege, we can play that game elsewhere. If you're gonna fall back on numbers, we'll pick our battles where 2 or 3 allies arent against us. Low and behold as soon as we ally war invite, they send for backup. Domi undaunted accepts all the invites. "More the merrier" as the saying goes. In reality its an excuse to 2v1 off field so Domi picks the bigger fish and offers peace terms to Epoch in favor of fighting our betrayers, Oblivion/Ominous. That word isn't derogatory, they just dropped ally then attacked us :p

Glad you bought BW for runspeed yet San :P

[SithMaster]

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EPOCH attacked Gludio alone, we won. EPOCH challenged Legend to a 1 vs 1 @ Aden, we fought vs. CORE/Legend/Storm because Ellden and other leadership in Legend said EPOCH couldn't be trusted. We registered to attack New Years Eve to see how Legend/Storm and others would handle it. We then attacked the next cycle and took Ellden's advice, get friends. We got friends, we came, we sieged, we won.


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I don't think CORE helped defend Aden for Legend, but I could be wrong as I don't attend many sieges. I thought it was QuickSilver though.

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See Shatei's first video :p

[Sansone]

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You missed the part where you asked for Mafia's help when we ally warred you :p

We are well aware that Legend does not seem interested in a mass war so Storm thought, well if these guys wanna siege, we can play that game elsewhere. If you're gonna fall back on numbers, we'll pick our battles where 2 or 3 allies arent against us. Low and behold as soon as we ally war invite, they send for backup. Domi undaunted accepts all the invites. "More the merrier" as the saying goes. In reality its an excuse to 2v1 off field so Domi picks the bigger fish and offers peace terms to Epoch in favor of fighting our betrayers, Oblivion/Ominous. That word isn't derogatory, they just dropped ally then attacked us :p

Glad you bought BW for runspeed yet San :P

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not sure where your goin with this, but we never asked oblivion to get involved with war, they KOS/war for their own reason(s). it just so happens that we have a common target.

[mrme64]

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EPOCH attacked Gludio alone, we won. EPOCH challenged Legend to a 1 vs 1 @ Aden, we fought vs. CORE/Legend/Storm because Ellden and other leadership in Legend said EPOCH couldn't be trusted. We registered to attack New Years Eve to see how Legend/Storm and others would handle it. We then attacked the next cycle and took Ellden's advice, get friends. We got friends, we came, we sieged, we won.


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I don't think CORE helped defend Aden for Legend, but I could be wrong as I don't attend many sieges. I thought it was QuickSilver though.

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See Shatei's first video :p

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Will take your word for it then :p . My mistake.

[Karigan_Imm]

Don't even start crap Sansone. You are full of crap. You said if Legend attacked any flags off siege grounds during the siege you'd declare war. I said you're the ones going red on our members, if you wanted a war to keep doing so. We brought a force and wiped your reds at hardins. We didn't attack any Epoch because Epoch hasn't attacked us. You want to start a war, attack a Legend member and see what happens.

[immortalon3]

so is legend and epoch at war yet :). did a epoch kill a legend yet casue i think that would be a good pvp/ war there.This server had turned into you bring ur friends i bring mine.... no one wanna 1 vs 1 in seiges any more... there to scared.Its kinda sad that this server turned into this....If storm and legend dont get a big allaince to help them out its gonna be 4 vs 2 >< for a while.. core/divine/epoch/oblivine vs storm/legend... lets make the sides even so this server can have a 3 vs 3 with the storngest allainces on this server...... it would rock so much pvp and the seiges would be fair :)I think every one would be happy if this happens so divine or core join up on storm and legends side and make this server fun again and start sending war invites and LET THE PVP VIDEOS START... till then every one lets cry more :)

[immortalon3]

1 more question before i go to bed :).Why hasnt divine and core go at it just for fun or epoch and divine or epoch and core.... no one wanna pvp? ever since mafia is gone man this server has become a bore.....its only pve and dont you people get tired of that....mobs more mobs and more mobs..... why not send a war invite for a week to a another high lvl allaince and have some good old war games....you lose 1 % i hear thats not much.... and after that week end the wr and go back to lvling...... but during that week you get all the ppl you got online and meet up some were to pvp. None of that you chase me i chase you [censored] ><. I think every one wants a new mafia back or something casue there to scared to fight and pvp there own friends of allainces... PVP is part of the game ppl.... i bet the GMs watch are servers and sit there and think to there self and say **** this carebear server... the other night i went to apostate with some friends and we had some pvp... i had a chrono but still 6 vs 6 we won but still they others that died loved it and said gf.... COME ON ppl do something .... PVE is bad for ur health....trust me.....after mafia left i quit casue who all the high lvl allainces gonna pick on?... then every one goes against KOS... i give them respect not casue they bot or 10x box but casue they pvped for the love of the game and didnt care what others think.... ppl need to stop thinking and start acting till then.... CAREBEAR SERVER FTW

[PaladinXMan]

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1 more question before i go to bed :).Why hasnt divine and core go at it just for fun or epoch and divine or epoch and core.... no one wanna pvp? ever since mafia is gone man this server has become a bore.....its only pve and dont you people get tired of that....mobs more mobs and more mobs..... why not send a war invite for a week to a another high lvl allaince and have some good old war games....you lose 1 % i hear thats not much.... and after that week end the wr and go back to lvling...... but during that week you get all the ppl you got online and meet up some were to pvp. None of that you chase me i chase you [censored] ><. I think every one wants a new mafia back or something casue there to scared to fight and pvp there own friends of allainces... PVP is part of the game ppl.... i bet the GMs watch are servers and sit there and think to there self and say **** this carebear server... the other night i went to apostate with some friends and we had some pvp... i had a chrono but still 6 vs 6 we won but still they others that died loved it and said gf.... COME ON ppl do something .... PVE is bad for ur health....trust me.....after mafia left i quit casue who all the high lvl allainces gonna pick on?... then every one goes against KOS... i give them respect not casue they bot or 10x box but casue they pvped for the love of the game and didnt care what others think.... ppl need to stop thinking and start acting till then.... CAREBEAR SERVER FTW

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This coming from a guy who trains noobs and calls 2 70+ spellsingers to pvp for him? Go away kid.

[immortalon3]

LOL see what i am talking about you scared to PVP? LOL does it make you have nightmares? so what if you die atleast you die with respect. One resaon i train casue what happens when you train ppl? They call clannies and what happens after that PVP... not my fault that you cry wolf when some one flags on you.. if ur that carebear man go to a game called diablo2 i am not trying to flame but see how bad this server has gotten ..... ><

[ducceus]

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1 more question before i go to bed :).Why hasnt divine and core go at it just for fun or epoch and divine or epoch and core.... no one wanna pvp? ever since mafia is gone man this server has become a bore.....its only pve and dont you people get tired of that....mobs more mobs and more mobs..... why not send a war invite for a week to a another high lvl allaince and have some good old war games....you lose 1 % i hear thats not much.... and after that week end the wr and go back to lvling...... but during that week you get all the ppl you got online and meet up some were to pvp. None of that you chase me i chase you [censored] ><. I think every one wants a new mafia back or something casue there to scared to fight and pvp there own friends of allainces... PVP is part of the game ppl.... i bet the GMs watch are servers and sit there and think to there self and say **** this carebear server... the other night i went to apostate with some friends and we had some pvp... i had a chrono but still 6 vs 6 we won but still they others that died loved it and said gf.... COME ON ppl do something .... PVE is bad for ur health....trust me.....after mafia left i quit casue who all the high lvl allainces gonna pick on?... then every one goes against KOS... i give them respect not casue they bot or 10x box but casue they pvped for the love of the game and didnt care what others think.... ppl need to stop thinking and start acting till then.... CAREBEAR SERVER FTW

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This coming from a guy who trains noobs and calls 2 70+ spellsingers to pvp for him? Go away kid.

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[PaladinXMan]

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LOL see what i am talking about you scared to PVP? LOL does it make you have nightmares? so what if you die atleast you die with respect. One resaon i train casue what happens when you train ppl? They call clannies and what happens after that PVP... not my fault that you cry wolf when some one flags on you.. if ur that carebear man go to a game called diablo2 i am not trying to flame but see how bad this server has gotten ..... ><

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Grow some balls and train/flag on badass clans like divine/core/epoch. Loser.

[immortalon3]

you know whats the funny part man that i could train you 100x times and that ur to carebear to hit me... thats how bad this server is...

[TuBBsDoTD]

YYYYYAAAAYYYY! Our old friend Drama is back :). We missed you little guy. Hinde just isn't Hinde without you :D.

[PaladinXMan]

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you know whats the funny part man that i could train you 100x times and that ur to carebear to hit me... thats how bad this server is...

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I did hit you last night and your noob *** got 2 7x SpS to try to kill me.

[immortalon3]

lol tubbs :) i used to love the pvp with mafia and divine and when i used to run from you lol :)

[immortalon3]

tubbs :) start the mafia man i am not joking >< and grow big and huge and get the ppl that wanna pvp and take over the server man do it for me lol :)

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Since u want to post the numbers :p

Sorrus: 24
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Since the war was declared? ROFL you don't get kills, Erevin steals them all...always was a KSer.

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lol no, im having a ball just going around solo late at night ..... been up all night for past 2 nights :D :D

btw, dont take it personal .. call me a backstabber , a liar, whatever you like. this is nothing personal, the reasons for this were explained, its up to you guys whether u agree with those reasons or not.

[Athulua]

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you know whats the funny part man that i could train you 100x times and that ur to carebear to hit me... thats how bad this server is...

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hmm..i remember when one of Bun's alliance members said that prophets are useless...then i seem to remember bun pking him....i wouldn't call him carebear..this guy is a killer :P

Bun, you are welcome in Divine any time :)

Athulua
Divine Stratia

[Tylon]

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Legend and Storm both deserve at least 1 castle

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You deserve a castle when you can take a castle.

By the way, the fact that your alliances are running into so much trouble at sieges has nothing to do with "backdoor" deals.

In my opinion, it has to do with attitude and the perception that many on the server have of Storm and Legend Alliances. Your leadership made it's stance obvious when Ellden said that he would never do a 1 v 1, and that he doesn't play the game that way. He plays to win. He said to "bring all of your friends" to take or defend a castle. That is exactly what has been happening since the fall of Aden.

You asked for it, you got it.

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Ok...that's not all true. It's really all Karigan's fault. :eek:

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You know why Ellden would never do a 1v1? Well I speak of experience when I led Enchanted. I always wanted a 1v1 fight for a castle. Did I get one? No. Besides from my PoV the only thing my alliance (Legend) does without Storm is raid. I don't have a problem with zerg. But just tell me the reason for it. Telling me that it's because we used to zerg is BS. We never did [censored] to 90% of our opposition.

Not whining. Looking for a sane answer to a legitimate question. And when I say "Legend and Storm both deserve a castle" I mean Epoch has Aden and Gludio and could probably get owned by Divine which is a much smaller alliance. Everytime I've seen Epoch get a castle they always have Divine and Core cattering to them. I don't hate any alliance, I'm just curious what drove these madmen running the alliances these days to just decide to turn on Legend.

Although I don't hate any alliances like I previously stated I'm actually getting sick and tired of Divine switching back and forth between sides.

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Vent the answer to you question is easy. Other alliances pick on Legend becasue they can. You know like that kid in your school you can make fun of over and over and over and the only thing he will say is *turns on girly voice* "stop it guys"

You have probably never done anything negitive to them but epoch likes to bully. The very fact that Sansone is arrogant enough to post EVERY SINGLE positive thing epoch does proves that. He just mocked you on page 5.

Meh maybe it won't matter If legend attacked epoch they'd probably cry and whine to divne or one of the other free loaders on the server (who the hell are titans alliance at godard?). Then proceed to wipe out legend then laugh at them it would go something like that right Elishka? Redplanet needs to wake up and look who is posting b/c i am **** sick of Elishka.

BOARD FLAMES FTW!!

P.S. Hugadarn why is it karigans fault? are u being cute?

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EPOCH attacked Gludio alone, we won. EPOCH challenged Legend to a 1 vs 1 @ Aden, we fought vs. CORE/Legend/Storm because Ellden and other leadership in Legend said EPOCH couldn't be trusted. We registered to attack New Years Eve to see how Legend/Storm and others would handle it. We then attacked the next cycle and took Ellden's advice, get friends. We got friends, we came, we sieged, we won.


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I don't think CORE helped defend Aden for Legend, but I could be wrong as I don't attend many sieges. I thought it was QuickSilver though.

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See Shatei's first video :p

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Core help Defand aden when RT / PD and other attck aden not when Epoch try to take aden from legend

[SilverWolfEcho]

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btw, dont take it personal .. call me a backstabber , a liar, whatever you like. this is nothing personal, the reasons for this were explained, its up to you guys whether u agree with those reasons or not.


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Because a certain clan leader got killed off siege grounds during a siege?

You sign up to take a castle..

Now it's siege ground everywhere! woohoo!

[Sorrus]

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btw, dont take it personal .. call me a backstabber , a liar, whatever you like. this is nothing personal, the reasons for this were explained, its up to you guys whether u agree with those reasons or not.


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Because a certain clan leader got killed off siege grounds during a siege?

You sign up to take a castle..

Now it's siege ground everywhere! woohoo!

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no, because you for some reason did not register to defend. due to that u decide to take it upon yourselfs to pk. you didnt register, it should be your loss, not ours.

[SilverWolfEcho]

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no, because you for some reason did not register to defend. due to that u decide to take it upon yourselfs to pk. you didnt register, it should be your loss, not ours.

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Mon's been outta town, got d/c or something before he could approve.

Heh, that's funny.

[Sunspark]

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1 more question before i go to bed :).Why hasnt divine and core go at it just for fun or epoch and divine or epoch and core.... no one wanna pvp? ever since mafia is gone man this server has become a bore.....its only pve and dont you people get tired of that....mobs more mobs and more mobs..... why not send a war invite for a week to a another high lvl allaince and have some good old war games....you lose 1 % i hear thats not much.... and after that week end the wr and go back to lvling...... but during that week you get all the ppl you got online and meet up some were to pvp. None of that you chase me i chase you [censored] ><. I think every one wants a new mafia back or something casue there to scared to fight and pvp there own friends of allainces... PVP is part of the game ppl.... i bet the GMs watch are servers and sit there and think to there self and say **** this carebear server... the other night i went to apostate with some friends and we had some pvp... i had a chrono but still 6 vs 6 we won but still they others that died loved it and said gf.... COME ON ppl do something .... PVE is bad for ur health....trust me.....after mafia left i quit casue who all the high lvl allainces gonna pick on?... then every one goes against KOS... i give them respect not casue they bot or 10x box but casue they pvped for the love of the game and didnt care what others think.... ppl need to stop thinking and start acting till then.... CAREBEAR SERVER FTW

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Strange, last few weeks my clan's warlist wasnt below 5. Think ours is hm 6 or 7 now. No, not just Storm. How about yours? Thought so. Stop talking, please. I'm getting an average of 10 pvps a day and loving it.

[Stromnar]

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so is legend and epoch at war yet :). did a epoch kill a legend yet casue i think that would be a good pvp/ war there.This server had turned into you bring ur friends i bring mine.... no one wanna 1 vs 1 in seiges any more... there to scared.Its kinda sad that this server turned into this....If storm and legend dont get a big allaince to help them out its gonna be 4 vs 2 >< for a while.. core/divine/epoch/oblivine vs storm/legend... lets make the sides even so this server can have a 3 vs 3 with the storngest allainces on this server...... it would rock so much pvp and the seiges would be fair :)I think every one would be happy if this happens so divine or core join up on storm and legends side and make this server fun again and start sending war invites and LET THE PVP VIDEOS START... till then every one lets cry more :)

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Dude stop using Core's name in your posts.

That forces me to read this paragraph of nonsense to find out you have no clue what you're talking about.

Core's not at war with anyone at the moment. Both sides are cool with us and i wouldn't mind buffing either one.

[TaUrInGoDfAtHeR]

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EPOCH attacked Gludio alone

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LMAO dude you got to be high on something.I went to the field and there was defenetly not just you guys there.Legend,Core and Empir3 was there(even thou it end it up Empir3 vs Legend/Core)

And I know for sure Legend/Core help you get that castle.

Ok good try thou in your part trying to act all tough.

PS I think its time for Epoch to get a new spokesperson since your becoming to arrogant.

[Fonewearl]

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1 more question before i go to bed :).Why hasnt divine and core go at it just for fun or epoch and divine or epoch and core.... no one wanna pvp? ever since mafia is gone man this server has become a bore.....its only pve and dont you people get tired of that....mobs more mobs and more mobs..... why not send a war invite for a week to a another high lvl allaince and have some good old war games....you lose 1 % i hear thats not much.... and after that week end the wr and go back to lvling...... but during that week you get all the ppl you got online and meet up some were to pvp. None of that you chase me i chase you [censored] ><. I think every one wants a new mafia back or something casue there to scared to fight and pvp there own friends of allainces... PVP is part of the game ppl.... i bet the GMs watch are servers and sit there and think to there self and say **** this carebear server... the other night i went to apostate with some friends and we had some pvp... i had a chrono but still 6 vs 6 we won but still they others that died loved it and said gf.... COME ON ppl do something .... PVE is bad for ur health....trust me.....after mafia left i quit casue who all the high lvl allainces gonna pick on?... then every one goes against KOS... i give them respect not casue they bot or 10x box but casue they pvped for the love of the game and didnt care what others think.... ppl need to stop thinking and start acting till then.... CAREBEAR SERVER FTW

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I have a suggestion, you buy another copy of lineage and level a SR or SH. Then you can always do PVP between your tw accounts. Left hand VS right hand, player Vs player, any time, any location, any PVP rules defined by you. You can improve your health. Other players don't need to stop thinking and start acting then.

[Lijiela]

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Hmmm,the crying begins..

Storm(old ZoR) and Legend;When it was you all vs MaFiA it was all good and s***.Now that the tables turned you all cry ZERG(GG)

Oblivion(old MaFiA) you are doing the same thing you all did in the past.Going after the your old enemies but weird part is,you are trusting the same ppl that backstab you b4(Divine)
Then when you all leave Oren you left behind a group griefing outside of gates hitting every1 that goes by.Reminder that this will get you more enemies that you did in the past.

Epoch;WTH is going on up there in your little heads?Before you where all cool but now that you have a taste of power you all go crazy griefing and all the BS.Reminder those who put you there will surely get tire of it all.

Divine and Core;You are doing the same thing over and over and no1 does anything which ATM is ok but some1(alliances) soon will get the guts to take you all down.

PS but since this is a carebear server this I just wrote will fall into def ears.Anyway I had fun pvp/pk who ever I want and if I see any1 purple that I dont like its going down.So plz continue all this mess,remember I can hit from a distance. ;)

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Well to be honest;Core now is cooler than Divine.Divine thinks they can do whatever they want in the server;backstabb ppl and ppl dare to do nothing back to them.but wait;will have somone (alliances) take u down. :cool:

[StonefedDoTD]

SWEDEN gold medal....... Canada nothing u suck !!!!!! LOL long live sweden .........

[Andothe]

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Hmmm,the crying begins..

Storm(old ZoR) and Legend;When it was you all vs MaFiA it was all good and s***.Now that the tables turned you all cry ZERG(GG)

Oblivion(old MaFiA) you are doing the same thing you all did in the past.Going after the your old enemies but weird part is,you are trusting the same ppl that backstab you b4(Divine)
Then when you all leave Oren you left behind a group griefing outside of gates hitting every1 that goes by.Reminder that this will get you more enemies that you did in the past.

Epoch;WTH is going on up there in your little heads?Before you where all cool but now that you have a taste of power you all go crazy griefing and all the BS.Reminder those who put you there will surely get tire of it all.

Divine and Core;You are doing the same thing over and over and no1 does anything which ATM is ok but some1(alliances) soon will get the guts to take you all down.

PS but since this is a carebear server this I just wrote will fall into def ears.Anyway I had fun pvp/pk who ever I want and if I see any1 purple that I dont like its going down.So plz continue all this mess,remember I can hit from a distance. ;)

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Well to be honest;Core now is cooler than Divine.Divine thinks they can do whatever they want in the server;backstabb ppl and ppl dare to do nothing back to them.but wait;will have somone (alliances) take u down. :cool:

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Who did we backstab now? Divine has had very definitive goals. We were invited to antharas twice by epoch, we went and killed the beast, we were invited to aden to help against the many clans/alliances (3 at the time) that would not fight 1v1. We went dusk all on our own. We won that all on our own, once through ninja, the second time, you have no other recourse than to say , dawn got beat, just like we did the week prior.

As for goddard, we asked oblivion what their intent was, and we decided we like it, so we went with them.

So you tell me, who did we backstab? We are not the babies you see elsewhere, bring the proof before you post about Divine and our evils. We are just an organized group of players that enjoy all aspects of the game. Politics least of all, but they are still a part of the drama.

Keep the backstabbing comments to yourself, unless you have some valid proof. *** u me is a horrible theory.

[Spitner]

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Well... I was being semi-cute. However, you can bet that Karigan's big mouth has lost you more friends than it has gained for Legend. Her PMs to members of different alliances, threatening KoS or other forms of retribution have definitely had an effect on the number of people who sign up to defend/attack you at sieges. I won't go into detail, but she and numerous people out there know exactly what I'm talking about.

I must say... I loved it when she PM'd RedPlanet to threaten Epoch with KoS one evening. When almost every member of Titans began PMing her back, begging for her to put us on KoS, she backpeddled faster than a Legend BSoE.

You can't imagine how elated I am to see Legend whining about "zerg" and "being picked on." Your arrogance got you to this point... Vent stating that you "deserve" a castle and Karigan telling Elishka "attack a Legend member and see what happens" are prime examples.

Your empire was built by standing on the shoulders of those greater than you... your empire was torn down when those people looked up your skirt and saw you had no balls.

[Karigan_Imm]

Gee that's funny, cause the only 2 people that pm'd me were FIash asking for war, but he didn't want to start anything since he was in Epoch. And Scrogg pming me trying to work it out. But hey, you type it on the forums so it must be true right? Elishka pm's me threatening KOS, and I say if he wants it, start it. Just because I don't bend over and kiss your [censored] like the rest of the server doesn't mean I threaten them either. Prove any of it. You refer to pm's that don't exist. I pm'd Redplanet threatening KOS after that mockery of a siege on New Years when Arkhe's reroll took Anastaya's DC Robe and was being an *** about it. But oh wait, Epoch doesn't keep gear from players in pvp right?

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[Bru3nor]

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Since u want to post the numbers :p

Sorrus: 24
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Since the war was declared? ROFL you don't get kills, Erevin steals them all...always was a KSer.

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Those arent Kills and deaths Luke. Those are times his alliance members bsoe and stay and fight. I know for a fact he's died atleast 3 times because I've seen his worthless, dead body lying on the ground.

For all of you that want to know why we warred epoch. It had absolutely nothing to do withlosing the castle. FS had been at war for awhile, Epoch thought this was a good opportunity to go red on all of STorm during the siege while members were porting in and on load screen. If we could have warred during the siege we would have. But alas, you cannot declare war until all sieges are done. The funny part is, the minute we declare and go kill our first epoch group- Sorrus and his chronies run in and pk everyone for no reason. He then comes up with a "I got killed off siege grounds" excuse and sends war to Tsunami. Supposedly he got pked by FS. HMM makes ya wonder doesnt it? The only clan to war Epoch after sieges and Sorrus pk's them.
It's pretty obvious whats going on, but hey, I have 10x's the pvps I do deaths since this started so it's no biggie to me. Just tell your memebrs that they lose more xp when they bsoe then if they stay and die. Sad when clan leaders that "want" war are the first to bsoe in a fight. I take that back, it's funny as hell.

[Sunspark]

Last time I checked the official reason of the 2 last clans in storm alliance declaring war on us was because they lost Giran. This was said by Domisun I believe, on your own Vent channel while we (Epoch) were "duking it out politically" with you (Storm) there. Guess you weren't there, Bru3nor. Maybe you should check in with your leaders before you try explain stuff. It doesn't matter though, I guess. The outcome is the same. The reason why it all started is more amusing :) 200k of adena that was on the floor for ages with no-one around, woopydoo. Or maybe that was just a formality to justify starting a war, because they were bored. That's what Ambersky said at least when I had an hour talk with her on Vent.

Can't comment on why Oblivion is warring you, I'm no pvp leader of Oblivion so I don't know. I'm sure they can explain that to you.

[Sansone]

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Since the war was declared? ROFL you don't get kills, Erevin steals them all...always was a KSer.

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Those arent Kills and deaths Luke. Those are times his alliance members bsoe and stay and fight. I know for a fact he's died atleast 3 times because I've seen his worthless, dead body lying on the ground.

For all of you that want to know why we warred epoch. It had absolutely nothing to do withlosing the castle. FS had been at war for awhile, Epoch thought this was a good opportunity to go red on all of STorm during the siege while members were porting in and on load screen. If we could have warred during the siege we would have. But alas, you cannot declare war until all sieges are done. The funny part is, the minute we declare and go kill our first epoch group- Sorrus and his chronies run in and pk everyone for no reason. He then comes up with a "I got killed off siege grounds" excuse and sends war to Tsunami. Supposedly he got pked by FS. HMM makes ya wonder doesnt it? The only clan to war Epoch after sieges and Sorrus pk's them.
It's pretty obvious whats going on, but hey, I have 10x's the pvps I do deaths since this started so it's no biggie to me. Just tell your memebrs that they lose more xp when they bsoe then if they stay and die. Sad when clan leaders that "want" war are the first to bsoe in a fight. I take that back, it's funny as hell.

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LOL, might wanna talk to Domi before you post again reguarding the war. That is after the B-day boy recovers from yesterday.

[MrBungle]

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Well... I was being semi-cute. However, you can bet that Karigan's big mouth has lost you more friends than it has gained for Legend. Her PMs to members of different alliances, threatening KoS or other forms of retribution have definitely had an effect on the number of people who sign up to defend/attack you at sieges. I won't go into detail, but she and numerous people out there know exactly what I'm talking about.

I must say... I loved it when she PM'd RedPlanet to threaten Epoch with KoS one evening. When almost every member of Titans began PMing her back, begging for her to put us on KoS, she backpeddled faster than a Legend BSoE.

You can't imagine how elated I am to see Legend whining about "zerg" and "being picked on." Your arrogance got you to this point... Vent stating that you "deserve" a castle and Karigan telling Elishka "attack a Legend member and see what happens" are prime examples.

Your empire was built by standing on the shoulders of those greater than you... your empire was torn down when those people looked up your skirt and saw you had no balls.

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So, do you actually read the garbage you post on this forum, or are you just naturally stupid?

[Spitner]

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Gee that's funny, cause the only 2 people that pm'd me were FIash asking for war, but he didn't want to start anything since he was in Epoch. And Scrogg pming me trying to work it out. But hey, you type it on the forums so it must be true right? Elishka pm's me threatening KOS, and I say if he wants it, start it. Just because I don't bend over and kiss your [censored] like the rest of the server doesn't mean I threaten them either. Prove any of it. You refer to pm's that don't exist. I pm'd Redplanet threatening KOS after that mockery of a siege on New Years when Arkhe's reroll took Anastaya's DC Robe and was being an *** about it. But oh wait, Epoch doesn't keep gear from players in pvp right?


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Thanks for that +4 robe by the way... it goes well with my haircut. :)

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So, do you actually read the garbage you post on this forum, or are you just naturally stupid?

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Are you asking if I read what I write while I'm typing it in? Fact of the matter is... Karigan's more trouble than she's worth. I know what I'm talking about regarding PMs about taking people's castles from them if they help at a siege... threatening PK or KoS... asking who made a statement in another alliances TS because you had someone listening in... etc.

You can keep running your mouths all you want. It only makes you look worse than you already do. Who cares about an alliance that bragged on the forums about owning Aden when they failed to kill Antharas first, and then made statements like "Aden is too much trouble" or "We were tired of owning Aden anyway" after you lost it...?

Pathetic.

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Hypocrit.

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Am I naturally stupid...? You would thinking someone who defines the word so well would know how to spell hypocrite. Eh? I guess she "bungled" that one.

[Drekk]

What confuses me the most is... does no one play this game for fun anymore? I love sieges, and I love pvp but why all the mudslinging?

is this all over loosing a castle ( maybe i misread a post) , I hope not, because I thought sieging castles was a main objective in this game, and its no fun when you try to do things like siege and then get spit on for doing so.

[Karigan_Imm]

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I know what I'm talking about regarding PMs about taking people's castles from them if they help at a siege... threatening PK or KoS... asking who made a statement in another alliances TS because you had someone listening in

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lol you are full of it. I've never threatened to take a castle from anyone ever. Someone listening in? Please. I told RP after the incident that Nuramon and Sultan are brothers, and he heard what they said on vent because they were in the same room. Take it how you will. I never had a spy in Epoch. I don't need one, because I never gave a **** about Epoch, at that piont I still considered them friends. Your paranoia is amusing. It was your people pm'ing me out of the blue telling me things. Ask Lasertorch who pm'd who about what was said on your vent.

[Spitner]

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I never had a spy in Epoch.

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Talk to your boy, Sultan. He once told us that you had three spies in Epoch, who had full access to forums, chat, and vent at all times. I'm just repeating what your buddy bragged about to them.

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What confuses me the most is... does no one play this game for fun anymore? I love sieges, and I love pvp but why all the mudslinging?


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I'm mudslinging for fun, and to rile up Legend people. No other reason really...

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Your paranoia is amusing.

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Why would I be paranoid about anything Legend does...? I just like helping you make yourselves look bad.

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I don't need one, because I never gave a **** about Epoch

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This is probably why they took your castle, and partly why you're not doing so well at sieges as of late.

[Karigan_Imm]

I just refuse to spend my time in game plotting the best ways to stab someone in the back, or the best way to lie about everything under the sun. It seems plotting and scheming and being overall [censored] to everyone is the only way to get ahead in this game. I refuse to play that way. I am and have always been up front in my beliefs and views. I have and will always help a friend in game that needs it. It's just the last few months and weeks have narrowed that list down considerably.

Legend will not be sieging any castle in the near future.

[Achyliss]

As you all know and said Oren manor has not been up and running, with us running it now it will be. But.. so you are all aware of the situation Oren's manor seems to be bugged in several ways.. I spent about 3 hours trying to get it to update within the time periods they said it needs to be done.. In doing so i went through each seed and posted the sell value and the buy backs we saw fit.. I would click ok on each on and the manor would not refresh the seeds or the fruits being bought or sold. I have petitioned Gm's and of course they are investigating it and will post their notice of what is wrong and when it will be resolved.. We have managed to get a few seeds and fruit to be sold and bought and i will make sure that this manor will be up and running full time once NCSoft allows me to do so. Thank you and sorry for all the wait to get it going.

[Andothe]

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As you all know and said Oren manor has not been up and running, with us running it now it will be. But.. so you are all aware of the situation Oren's manor seems to be bugged in several ways.. I spent about 3 hours trying to get it to update within the time periods they said it needs to be done.. In doing so i went through each seed and posted the sell value and the buy backs we saw fit.. I would click ok on each on and the manor would not refresh the seeds or the fruits being bought or sold. I have petitioned Gm's and of course they are investigating it and will post their notice of what is wrong and when it will be resolved.. We have managed to get a few seeds and fruit to be sold and bought and i will make sure that this manor will be up and running full time once NCSoft allows me to do so. Thank you and sorry for all the wait to get it going.

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The Gm's will take quite a few hours getting back to you.

The safe way to get it running is to buy back the same amount of seeds that you are selling. Before anyone argues with me on this, I got it straight from GM Silver. My first question was of course: " So there will always be an abundance of ripe fruits per castle?" The answer was yes.

Pm me ingame if you have any other questions. I can't remember who told who what 5 minutes ago, but I remember #'s real well.

[SilverWolfEcho]

I love the Patriots.

They're sweethearts.

[Achyliss]

Thank you Silver =) I will do all i can to make sure i maximize the use of the castle to what i am capable of doing, just understand atm it is not me myself that is running it, i am relaying the info to make sure it gets done.. Again apologies for it not being up to the fullest and i will work to get it there.

[Sorrus]

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Since u want to post the numbers :p

Sorrus: 24
Storm: 2

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Since the war was declared? ROFL you don't get kills, Erevin steals them all...always was a KSer.

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Those arent Kills and deaths Luke. Those are times his alliance members bsoe and stay and fight. I know for a fact he's died atleast 3 times because I've seen his worthless, dead body lying on the ground.

For all of you that want to know why we warred epoch. It had absolutely nothing to do withlosing the castle. FS had been at war for awhile, Epoch thought this was a good opportunity to go red on all of STorm during the siege while members were porting in and on load screen. If we could have warred during the siege we would have. But alas, you cannot declare war until all sieges are done. The funny part is, the minute we declare and go kill our first epoch group- Sorrus and his chronies run in and pk everyone for no reason. He then comes up with a "I got killed off siege grounds" excuse and sends war to Tsunami. Supposedly he got pked by FS. HMM makes ya wonder doesnt it? The only clan to war Epoch after sieges and Sorrus pk's them.
It's pretty obvious whats going on, but hey, I have 10x's the pvps I do deaths since this started so it's no biggie to me. Just tell your memebrs that they lose more xp when they bsoe then if they stay and die. Sad when clan leaders that "want" war are the first to bsoe in a fight. I take that back, it's funny as hell.

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lmao ... im wondering ... do u actually read all the threads here??? does domi actually tell you whats going on??? or, because he doesnt agree with it, does he make up some [censored] propaganda? the very same reason that you warred all of epoch, is the reason we warred you. yet we're [censored], we're backstabbers, and we're liars??? (and ya you're right i died 3 times if u include the very first pvp in FG.. i was referring to since the "official" war started) ... oh and, when have i bsoe'd? lol

[SithMaster]

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Since u want to post the numbers :p

Sorrus: 24
Storm: 2

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Since the war was declared? ROFL you don't get kills, Erevin steals them all...always was a KSer.

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lol no, im having a ball just going around solo late at night ..... been up all night for past 2 nights :D :D

btw, dont take it personal .. call me a backstabber , a liar, whatever you like. this is nothing personal, the reasons for this were explained, its up to you guys whether u agree with those reasons or not.

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Bastage I wish I could stay up and fight with ya :) 72 Paladin v 75 BD would be fun. Nobody takes it personal and I dont call you any of the above. You went from ally to attacker in 2 weeks, and in a way thats similar to turning your back. I know you guys don't like FS, its cool :)

PvP ftw!

[DrGiggles]

First of all, I love this thread. It gives me something to do when I'm up and bored. Second, MrBungle is a sweet band and an even better dwarf.... he should for SURE be president. Thirdly, everyone says "blah blah blah, I'm tired of da dwama", but the "dwama" is why I like this game. If it wasn't for the real people interaction, I'd just play Xmen Legends 2 more often. :cool: Seriously, if it wasn't for drama, why not just play a RPG that you don't have to pay a monthly fee for.

[Sovrath]

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First of all, I love this thread. It gives me something to do when I'm up and bored. Second, MrBungle is a sweet band and an even better dwarf.... he should for SURE be president. Thirdly, everyone says "blah blah blah, I'm tired of da dwama", but the "dwama" is why I like this game. If it wasn't for the real people interaction, I'd just play Xmen Legends 2 more often. :cool: Seriously, if it wasn't for drama, why not just play a RPG that you don't have to pay a monthly fee for.

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you know... Oblivion is coming out soon...

[TaUrInGoDfAtHeR]

Is this draw talking here?

Ask your leadership first before you start talking all this BS.Thats what got MaFiA in all the trouble they where in and by the way your talking.History will repeat itself.

[LaserTorch]

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Ask Lasertorch who pm'd who about what was said on your vent.

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yeah go ahead and ask me. i've only talked to you once in my life. you must really be grasping at straws to have to dig deep in the past and pull out my name.

[Spitner]

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Is this draw talking here?

Ask your leadership first before you start talking all this BS.Thats what got MaFiA in all the trouble they where in and by the way your talking.History will repeat itself.

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Don't be brainless...

I've been dogging Legend for many, many months now. They know how I feel about them, and I know how much they love me. I can tell because of how quickly I get nuked and stun shot at sieges. Nicci1 really, really likes me.

I wouldn't have such hard feelings toward them, if not for Karigan's comments in the past.

My comments are my own... if Legend wants to do something about these comments in-game, they are free to do so. I don't cry in alliance chat if I get attacked or PvP'd. The only time I would report a PK would be if I were ganked while porting... that's low, and would deserve retribution.

If they think I'm out of line with my comments here, they'll tell me and I'll tone it down.

[TaUrInGoDfAtHeR]

not in Ally/Clan chat maybe but I bet 20a that you cry about it on TS or vent w/e you guys use now.Stop pretending something your not,MaFiA died a long time ago.

Anagton and siphex brother tried to bring them back and you guys cried about that.So as your members shouted in aden,"theres no MaFiA and it will never be any MaFiA"or am I wrong scrogg?And you will never be them no matter how hard you guys try.

[Johannus]

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not in Ally/Clan chat maybe but I bet 20a that you cry about it on TS or vent w/e you guys use now.Stop pretending something your not,MaFiA died a long time ago.


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What does Mafia have to do with this thread?
It's like you are talking about apples and oranges and then all of a sudden you bring Avocado into the picture. :eek:

[Varaya]

"Mafia" is one of those magic words you can use to liven up threads again when they are about to die down. You know, like "zerg". Things getting boring? Just drop one of those words, and see everything go up in flames again :)

[SithMaster]

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And you will never be them no matter how hard you guys try.

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Which is why Oblivion, minus Anibus the scammer is a stand up bunch :) Except that Sorrus guy...I hear he eats kittens o.o

[Sorrus]

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And you will never be them no matter how hard you guys try.

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Which is why Oblivion, minus Anibus the scammer is a stand up bunch :) Except that Sorrus guy...I hear he eats kittens o.o

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if by kittens you mean fat paladins. .... heres some nice video dravven got of 10th floor ^^

vid 1 (http://files.filefront.com/Rep00003l2r/;4823222;;/fileinfo.html) vid 2 (http://files.filefront.com/Rep00004l2r/;4823230;;/fileinfo.html)

:D :D

[SithMaster]

WTB buffs :(

[domisun]

Gotta love the drama =/ Im here to say one thing. The reason I warred Epoch is a simple one and it has nothing to do with people getting killed off of siege grounds. How many people have been killed off the siege grounds....lol gazillions. Imo that is the lamest excuse ever to want to war someone. I gave orders to kill the leaders in Oblivion the names were given out. If you were killed it was to prevent you from casting on the relic. PERIOD.
I warred Epoch because they showed up at a siege they should not have shown up to imo. If theier beef is with fs wait and take it up with fs afterwards. SToRM was not at war with Epoch, fs was. Epoch was the 3rd ally to show on the field at Giran. When they showed up I called for Legend to come. Then divine showed as well. As soon as Epoch showed I told my ally that its obvious that Epoch wants to war SToRM or they would not be here. So I sent war invites immediately after the sieges. I hope thats clear for u all. I repeat it has nothing to do with people getting killed off the siege grounds, because imo thats a lame *** excuse.

[Mawata]

Sense when do you need permission to go to a siege?....

Right ye don't....I think it's funny that someone would war another just because they showed up at a siege.

But than again, this is hindemith..

[Mawata]

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not in Ally/Clan chat maybe but I bet 20a that you cry about it on TS or vent w/e you guys use now.Stop pretending something your not,MaFiA died a long time ago.

Anagton and siphex brother tried to bring them back and you guys cried about that.So as your members shouted in aden,"theres no MaFiA and it will never be any MaFiA"or am I wrong scrogg?And you will never be them no matter how hard you guys try.

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No actualy he never once did. Oo. And I even told Sip himself that his char is gimpy...couldn't even kill an es with five other people on me. :) hehe

[domisun]

Mawata of course noone needs permission to attend siege. But the reason i was given for them to be there was simply for fs. Well they attacked all of SToRM. They were the 3rd party to enter the siege ground. I was not happy about it, I warred em. End of story. My point is that they were not warred bc of off the siege ground kills.

[OneManArmy]

First of all, your argument that Epoch should only be fighting FS is a joke. Check the alliance tag they have beside their name. If you would like to keep out of any problems FS may cause, perhaps you should think about separating your alliance into 2. You used the same argument about Ominous not killing you, since Sorrus was pk'd by a FS member. Although, by that logic, since Altec in FF also pk'd Sorrus, which had absolutely no bearing on the Goddard siege since it was already over long before, we had every right to go after BOTH halves of Storm.

Even if the Giran siege pk was just to prevent Sorrus from casting, you definitely shouldn't have pk'd at Goddard. Maybe you forgot to inform Storm not to do that at Goddard, but at least you know why you have been warred by us now. This is not a bandwagon pk'ing of storm, your members brought it on themselves.

[SithMaster]

Yes I always get bitter about pvp during siege hours. Quick theyre in ally war with Epoch jump aboard! This war started when you defended Epoch at FG. If Sorrus didn't wanna die he shouldn't have flagged.

[domisun]

My argument that they should only be warring fs is a joke??? Tell me why pls. They were only warring fs. And for u to say that fs is the cause of this is blatant ignorance and prejudice. Both sides are at fault imo.

[SilverWolfEcho]

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Maybe you forgot to inform Storm not to do that at Goddard, but at least you know why you have been warred by us now.

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If he got pk'd at Goddard off grounds, I'm confused at where the problem lies. I thought we were all signed for Goddard. Wasn't the problem with some full xp losses?

Forgive me if it's none of my business.. but I'm confuzzled.

[Sorrus]

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Yes I always get bitter about pvp during siege hours. Quick theyre in ally war with Epoch jump aboard! This war started when you defended Epoch at FG. If Sorrus didn't wanna die he shouldn't have flagged.

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what are u talking about luke? lol.

[Nairb]

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My argument that they should only be warring fs is a joke??? Tell me why pls. They were only warring fs. And for u to say that fs is the cause of this is blatant ignorance and prejudice. Both sides are at fault imo.

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Dom, I think you have been smoking too much of Sansone's peace pipe ;)

We all know why this war started. I am not going to get into that again. It's really something to see how 200,000a turned into a server war. IMO it's good for Hinde to get some action and PVP.
Alot of good alliances on Hinde. Great leaders and strong armies. Lets not ruin the fun by flaming the generals and soldiers on both sides of the war.
Pass that pipe over here when you're done Domisun.

[ducceus]

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ruin the fun by flaming the generals and soldiers

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There are no generals and soldiers, only nukers and archers ganking other ppl lol.

[Nairb]

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ruin the fun by flaming the generals and soldiers

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There are no generals and soldiers, only nukers and archers ganking other ppl lol.

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LOL we call them... Scouts!

[ducceus]

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ruin the fun by flaming the generals and soldiers

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There are no generals and soldiers, only nukers and archers ganking other ppl lol.

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LOL we call them... Scouts!

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lol

[brandon12]

Sorry been a bizzy work week...just now reading the posts. :) And yes I threw a temper tantrum over the mafia thing :P But is all GG. Am happy as a pig in *%^& right now...I get to kill people.

[ChlorineL2]

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Don't even start crap Sansone. You are full of crap. You said if Legend attacked any flags off siege grounds during the siege you'd declare war. I said you're the ones going red on our members, if you wanted a war to keep doing so. We brought a force and wiped your reds at hardins. We didn't attack any Epoch because Epoch hasn't attacked us. You want to start a war, attack a Legend member and see what happens.

[/ QUOTE ]Under that rule Legend would be currently at war with Storm - or does everyone forget what happened one day before the Goddard siege on TOI10? (btw I appreciate the gesture, Aurora :))

I have lots of friends in Legend I have no interest in fighting them :)

[ChlorineL2]

Forgive me if you're bragging about having kills on a spell howler (FOM to win huh?), considering storm raids 5x area's regularly and generally gets rolled in 6-7x areas.

I am just disturbed to see a spell howler bragging about kills, when me and everyone in Epoch know who the regular Storm who raid 5x area's are ;)

[ChlorineL2]

It sounds like you are a cool guy, and FS causes you more trouble than they are worth. You sat in Goddard making excuses how you don't want the war and how you know FS started it. Why not just remove them from your alliance? It would have saved you a lot of grief. Now you have two of the most powerful alliances dominating your own at most times of the day. Not very politically wise, imo. Not to mention I don't think anyone in storm even likes FS, since they cause so much trouble. Ambersky pretty much admitted that they baited us into war intentionally on EPOCH's vent chat. That is the point at which you should have removed them from your alliance.

[Johannus]

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My argument that they should only be warring fs is a joke??? Tell me why pls.

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Well, are you not allies?
Allies are supposed to help each other no?
I mean, not that this is any of my business but if I were on an alliance that only watches how I figh an entire enemy ally without any help.... :confused:

[Drekk]

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Gotta love the drama =/ Im here to say one thing. The reason I warred Epoch is a simple one and it has nothing to do with people getting killed off of siege grounds. How many people have been killed off the siege grounds....lol gazillions. Imo that is the lamest excuse ever to want to war someone. I gave orders to kill the leaders in Oblivion the names were given out. If you were killed it was to prevent you from casting on the relic. PERIOD.
I warred Epoch because they showed up at a siege they should not have shown up to imo. If theier beef is with fs wait and take it up with fs afterwards. SToRM was not at war with Epoch, fs was. Epoch was the 3rd ally to show on the field at Giran. When they showed up I called for Legend to come. Then divine showed as well. As soon as Epoch showed I told my ally that its obvious that Epoch wants to war SToRM or they would not be here. So I sent war invites immediately after the sieges. I hope thats clear for u all. I repeat it has nothing to do with people getting killed off the siege grounds, because imo thats a lame *** excuse.

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I think that the word "Alliance" is used loosely in not just this thread but in general.

The word alliance means a close association of nations or other groups, formed to advance common interests or causes.

Its like a marriage between clans... for better or for worse. I think if a clan goes to war regardless of the cause or reason the alliance should stand by behind them like if my country was to bomb a city in your country, should just your city go to war against my country?

Saying "if they go to war its their business" its the equivilant of saying if someone in my clan pks someone in another clan thats between them and nothing to do with the clan as a whole, which i feel is just isn't true. A clan in your alliance is the equvilant to a member of your clan, they wear your tag.

but now your all at war, but from a third party prespective saying "they should of waited for the siege to end before they continue their fight" is just off the wall.

If I was an "epoch" fighter... where would the best place to find my enemy? hmmmmm *scratches chin* AH! i know... A siege :)

even if epoch shouldn't of gone ot the siege to actually siege the fact their enemy was there is more than enough cause for them to make an appearence.

Maybe the wisest choice would of been to tell all fadedsteel not to go to the siege instead and maybe Epoch wouldn't of appeared. BUT i guess we'll never know now :eek:

[domisun]

Sat in Godard making excuses huh? lol ...and I said that i knew fs started it? lol um ok whatever dude. I never said anytjhing of the sort and i certainly never made any excuses. I dont believe that fs started it, both parties are to blame how many times do i have to say it.

I will give u an example. The other day we were running thru an area. There was all this loot on the ground, we picked it up. Then the guy who had been hunting there showed and said wth, u cleared out all my loot. I apologised for my guys cleaning the area and gave him 200k adena which was more than we had picked up. Get my point? Both parties are to blame.

Another thing became clear to me last night as well. Lukes post is not so far off. Sorrus has a spy in our ally he admitted it to a rl friend of his who was in SToRM. So he knew we were going to declare war on Epoch after the siege, he knew when we would show at fg, so he got his hit squad to come to make sure he could get in on the action as any true punk would. Sorrus is the true definition of a bandwagoner. Only ready to fight if the war is already won. Be warned Oblivion he will leave at the first sign of upheaval in ur ally, but I'm sure u already know this, having been with him in MaFiA previously.

[domisun]

Johannus, I talked with fs and they were fine with warring on their own, I also talked to Epoch and they were fine with us staying out ;D. Is that so wrong?

[domisun]

Drekk imo pk's are personal. They should not be elevated to the clan or alliance level. I have always said this. If you get pk'd take a name and get even.

I have another example of this. A long time ago in a place far far away =P i got pk'd by Shorc. I was in blizzx and he was in TT it was after the giran siege where we had prevented them from taking the castle ;D. I was hunting in fg with smartie and his group of 9 came and wiped me and smartie. I didnt cry about it to my clan or ally. I took the name of the killer Shorc and bided my time. He was awol for like a month, I could not find him. Finally I get a pm from an alliance mate that Shorc is red in TI. Long story short we got (a group of 5 peeps that is) 40 mill in loot off him that night and he quit the game. Pk's are personal imo.

[Badger49]

Next time I see someone picking up loot anywhere I'll start yelling 'Oi! That's mine you filthy thief!' and maybe I'll get presents...

If you can't be bothered to pick up your loot and even walk far enough away from it that I can't see you anywhere (max range setting) then guess what? I don't care when you start whining it's yours. You could just be someone who tries what I just gave as an example, eh? :p

Namárië
Badger[49]

[Toree]

Woot for making this thread longer!!!! :D

[domisun]

So ur telling me that whoever picked up fs's adena couldnt have known it was theirs? Thats bloody hogwash dude. You go into an area, pick up money and then someone shows up and says hey u picked up all my drops.
BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME. ARE WE THAT HARD UP? HOLY [censored]! EPOCH OWNS ADEN CASTLE AND THEY HAVE TO STEAL LOOT THAT THEY KNOW ISNT THEIRS? IS EVERYONE DUM AND DEAF ON THIS SERVER?

I repeat, I KNOW ITS NOT ONLY EPOCHS FAULT. VIC SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP HIS DROPS. BUT EPOCH SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME MONEY OUT OF RESPECT. BUT I GUESS THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.

[Sorrus]

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Sat in Godard making excuses huh? lol ...and I said that i knew fs started it? lol um ok whatever dude. I never said anytjhing of the sort and i certainly never made any excuses. I dont believe that fs started it, both parties are to blame how many times do i have to say it.

I will give u an example. The other day we were running thru an area. There was all this loot on the ground, we picked it up. Then the guy who had been hunting there showed and said wth, u cleared out all my loot. I apologised for my guys cleaning the area and gave him 200k adena which was more than we had picked up. Get my point? Both parties are to blame.

Another thing became clear to me last night as well. Lukes post is not so far off. Sorrus has a spy in our ally he admitted it to a rl friend of his who was in SToRM. So he knew we were going to declare war on Epoch after the siege, he knew when we would show at fg, so he got his hit squad to come to make sure he could get in on the action as any true punk would. Sorrus is the true definition of a bandwagoner. Only ready to fight if the war is already won. Be warned Oblivion he will leave at the first sign of upheaval in ur ally, but I'm sure u already know this, having been with him in MaFiA previously.

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lol, i believe i told him that i got info from someone, dont remember the exact words. what i meant by that was that someone had pm'd me and told me where you were in FG (after the first confontation). you think i had a [censored] clue that u were going to war with all of epoch? lol ok then... you think i had a [censored] clue that you were standing at the FG port in, the first time we were confonted? lol ok then... its funny that the first people u jump to blame are people in your alliance (like amphead) who by the way, never told me a word of anything going on , other than that you all were bickering and fighting in ally chat over him. do you think that it is not possible that someone OUTSIDE of your alliance could have pm'd where you had ran off to after that first confontation? you'd be suprised how many people have pm'd storm locations...i guess its what you had coming...i mean im a backstabbing, lying, bandwagoning [censored]. but you are a [censored] god. you leave ZoR with the castle that that alliance worked together to get.. you backstab HellKnights by doing so. the rest of ZoR (FS) "bandwagons" on your *** and leaves in suit, to join SToRM. but hey, im the backstabbing [censored], right? my hit squad...lol... thx for the compliment, i guess. im pretty sure that regardless of wether oblivion would have had our back in this matter or not, ominous would be at war with you ourselves. but hey, thats what an alliance does right, they have each others backs? well, i guess storm doesnt. everyone likes to do their own thing.

[Sunspark]

[ QUOTE ]
So ur telling me that whoever picked up fs's adena couldnt have known it was theirs? Thats bloody hogwash dude. You go into an area, pick up money and then someone shows up and says hey u picked up all my drops.
BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME. ARE WE THAT HARD UP? HOLY [censored]! EPOCH OWNS ADEN CASTLE AND THEY HAVE TO STEAL LOOT THAT THEY KNOW ISNT THEIRS? IS EVERYONE DUM AND DEAF ON THIS SERVER?

I repeat, I KNOW ITS NOT ONLY EPOCHS FAULT. VIC SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP HIS DROPS. BUT EPOCH SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME MONEY OUT OF RESPECT. BUT I GUESS THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.

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< Person in question that took that loot (together with Fathips)

Ah yep, if Vic would've said "hey, I was just mana resting in the area and took a half hr break, can you give back my adena?". Instead it was:

ViconiadiVir: <insert a few flamey words> MY LOOT MY SPOT
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
Ehli: dude, I didn't see you around and I've been xping here for 30 mins
ViconiadiVir says: NO ENGLISH!
Ehli: You really should pick up loot if you go away so long
ViconiadiVir says: NO ENGLISH!
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
<Ehli attacks back>
<War starts between Epoch and FS>

Would you have returned that money? I highly doubt it. After this incident I talked with Ambersky on vent, and she explained Viconia said he was bored and wanted to war. Ambersky didn't want this war and even offered to pay Viconia the money back from her OWN purse, but telling vic it was me doing that. Of course we declined, because Viconia didn't deserve that money at all. This is when war invites were sent.

I get quite tired of lame excuses of people saying "no english" whenever they do not want to talk. Vic is a hothead who was bored. His problem, he got his war.

I have negotiated with you in the past as well, Domisun, so you know I'm not a person who makes unreasonable demands or make decissions based on hotheaded emotions. Viconia took the wrong person to toy with. Together with Reaper Epoch entrusted me the ability to decide about every pvp event. I usually was able to get Epoch out of stupid wars (like the event where we were able to prevent a way between our alliances), but there really was no option but to accept the war. In this case it wasn't just me making the war decission; there were many Epoch leaders on, including RedPlanet. We tried negotiating but only got a stubborn "200k or war" back, every time. I'm sure you know that a 1sided war is quite bad for the 'victim' and really no option at all. Giving back the money was also no option, as that would've shown a great sign of weakness and only make the bully feel better/justified.

So sure, you can blaim me for picking up that loot. The circumstances however make this a totally different story. Also, we do not think this was the reason at all. Both Ambersky and Viconia admitted in saying they (vics clan) were bored and wanted a pvp war. If you ask me they were just trying to bait anyone into going to war.

What I think went wrong with viconia's baiting is that he thought Buccaneers was just a lone clan. We had no alliancetag at that time, because we were in the process of swapping Epoch's castle. Well too bad for him, messed with the wrong clan.

[Sansone]

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So ur telling me that whoever picked up fs's adena couldnt have known it was theirs? Thats bloody hogwash dude. You go into an area, pick up money and then someone shows up and says hey u picked up all my drops.
BOTH SIDES ARE TO BLAME. ARE WE THAT HARD UP? HOLY [censored]! EPOCH OWNS ADEN CASTLE AND THEY HAVE TO STEAL LOOT THAT THEY KNOW ISNT THEIRS? IS EVERYONE DUM AND DEAF ON THIS SERVER?

I repeat, I KNOW ITS NOT ONLY EPOCHS FAULT. VIC SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP HIS DROPS. BUT EPOCH SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIM SOME MONEY OUT OF RESPECT. BUT I GUESS THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.

[/ QUOTE ]

I have gone over this before, if Viconia thinks 2 much of himself to even say thank you after he got his DC helm back from me (after he pk my clan leader during our AOE party then I killed Vic and got the DC helm) why should we treat him with respect? I asked him on his TS to say thanks, cause IMO you owe someone a thanks after they return a fricken DC helmet especially he dropped it cause he went red on my clan leader. His response was "Why should I thank you? Its my helmet" Say all you want about cultural differences (there are dozens of Faded Steel who are very kind people who have manners) it is Viconia that is the problem, always has been the problem, and always will be the problem.

We have learned our lesson about simply giving back drops to Faded Steel, and because of Viconia's ignorance we now possess more of his personal gear and other gear from his members. BTW, I even asked them to do sineaters but they complained about the XP loss.

[domisun]

I didnt jump to blame anyone. I believed that amp was not a spy. and about the castle, didnt u join us right after that? i didnt hear u saying any of this then....funny how stuff changes. Anyway im done with this ******* contest, u all know where i stand.

[OneManArmy]

[ QUOTE ]
If he got pk'd at Goddard off grounds, I'm confused at where the problem lies. I thought we were all signed for Goddard. Wasn't the problem with some full xp losses?


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Actually we weren't signed up, that is why we went to rune when we died, and did not have a flag. It is also the reason this was a "pk" and not pvp. Altec, from FF, pk'd sorrus just outside goddard town, and went red. This was a 4% death. Not being signed up at goddard, meant Sorrus couldnt engrave as ruler, so there should have been no reason to pk. Not to mention that we were helping divine get it, so it is the divine leaders you should have been after.

This war had nothing to do with epoch, its for our own reasons. Just because you ****** off a load of people at the same time....does not make this jumping on the bandwagon. I like how everyone at war with you have all stated their different reasons for it, yet its still the "bandwagon". If this is what storm has turned into, thank god we left.

As for amphead, wth does knowing someone IRL have to do with anything. The simple fact that there are so any people who would like to see you dead means we get info wherever you go. I know cousins in different alliances that just respect each others allies and dont spy. If you must know, amphead wanted to be in clan, and we didn't let him for our own reasons. You think he wants to spy for us now? Incase you hadn't noticed, we haven't lost a single person to this war. Usually people leave because they don't agree with it, or dont like dying. I had to LOL at br3unor's post...bsoe count... That's hilarious, considering you have come for my xp grp on toi 10 twice, outnumbering us both times, and we walked away alive lol. Maybe you missed the video's courtesy of dravven, on sorrus's post earlier. My personal count so far is 50/0, ty storm. And I have yet to bsoe thx.

[domisun]

U da man erevin seriously U da man.

[OneManArmy]

When did Ominous/Oblivion backstab? Holy crap how the storm leadership has changed since we left. Incase you had forgotten, we RETURNED giran to you freely when we left. We didn't pull the same [censored] you did with zor. After that, all was even, and Oblivion decided to siege giran. You have nobody to blame but yourselves for not signing to defend.

[Zen]

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Sat in Godard making excuses huh? lol ...and I said that i knew fs started it? lol um ok whatever dude. I never said anytjhing of the sort and i certainly never made any excuses. I dont believe that fs started it, both parties are to blame how many times do i have to say it.

I will give u an example. The other day we were running thru an area. There was all this loot on the ground, we picked it up. Then the guy who had been hunting there showed and said wth, u cleared out all my loot. I apologised for my guys cleaning the area and gave him 200k adena which was more than we had picked up. Get my point? Both parties are to blame.

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No offense, Domi, but the blame is not equal in this situation. There is a reason that NC Soft has a pickup timer on loot. If you don't grab your loot in 15 seconds, it's no longer yours. If you leave your loot lying around and the server crashes, are you going petition NC Soft for your loot? NO! Are you going to war with them because they won't return it? NO! Can you win this argument? NO! The moral of this story is, don't leave your loot laying around, period.

Your allies left their hunting area for over 30 minutes, then they come back demanding their loot and PKed our allies. That hardly sounds like equal blame to me. FS openly admitted they wanted war and that's why they pushed this situation. So, now they've lost far more than 200K in equipment... GG! Additionally, we have no way of even substantiating the loot is even theirs. The first time our allies saw them was when they came back and started making demands. In fact, you can't even prove our people were the ones who picked up the loot. WHY? Because your allies weren't there! (Yes, we openly admitted that it was us, but you get the point…)

Frankly, your allies are in the wrong here and your entire alliance in now paying for FS's arrogance and poor judgment. We've done our best to offer you an acceptable resolution to this situation and instead you came back with unreasonable demands. Epoch is not about bullying people, or being irrational. We would like nothing more than to end this conflict and get on with our sieging, raiding, and EXPing. However, until you guys start being reasonable, I don't for see that happening.

Disclaimer: These are not the official views of the EPOCH Alliance. In no way am I claiming to represent the alliance as a whole, or the alliance council. This is a test of the emergency broadcasting system... If this was an actual emergency, we would have Elishka/Sansone put on a purple tutu and dance around. This is only a test...

[ChlorineL2]

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Drekk imo pk's are personal. They should not be elevated to the clan or alliance level. I have always said this. If you get pk'd take a name and get even.

I have another example of this. A long time ago in a place far far away =P i got pk'd by Shorc. I was in blizzx and he was in TT it was after the giran siege where we had prevented them from taking the castle ;D. I was hunting in fg with smartie and his group of 9 came and wiped me and smartie. I didnt cry about it to my clan or ally. I took the name of the killer Shorc and bided my time. He was awol for like a month, I could not find him. Finally I get a pm from an alliance mate that Shorc is red in TI. Long story short we got (a group of 5 peeps that is) 40 mill in loot off him that night and he quit the game. Pk's are personal imo.

[/ QUOTE ]Yea we didn't cry to clan or ally. FS did. Me and Ehli pvp'd Viconia and Anjie 6 times and then he called Adriana, Solange and some more. We forgot about it - we never even mentioned it to our clan much less ally. Next day we find out we are on KOS. No I don't accept it was both our faults. If you leave a hunting ground and don't pick up your loot ITS NOT YOURS ANYMORE SORRY. It's their fault, Ambersky ADMITTED that Viconia did it on purpose to draw a war. I'd bother to have taken a screen shot if I thought it mattered.

pls don't [censored] to make up excuses for a war that clans in your alliance caused, everyone knows the past history with Epoch and FS, it's obvious FS just wanted more, and couldn't handle it so storm made up an excuse to get into the war (which they should have on day 1 if you ask me, pretty weak alliance if you won't help each other).

[TailChaser]

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I will give u an example. The other day we were running thru an area. There was all this loot on the ground, we picked it up. Then the guy who had been hunting there showed and said wth, u cleared out all my loot. I apologised for my guys cleaning the area and gave him 200k adena which was more than we had picked up. Get my point? Both parties are to blame.


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I fail to see why this argument is put here since it's half truth and half lies. I know the guy and we were chatting when this happened. Even if you could not see him you could see his SE sitting in the middle of all this loot. Also after you clearly saw him cause someone KSed his target you still kept picking up the loot. You offered 200K and he declined because by his calculation it was too much. Someone throws down 100K and he takes that after all it's on the ground and someone else could just snag it. Just an FYI he never asked to be compensated.

The dude had you on his list of clans/alliances to join after he's no longer busy with things but after I point him to this, he might change his mind. Hopefully he'll join my clan instead.

[ChlorineL2]

I confirm ViconiaDeVir was rude about demanding the adena back, and gave us about 3 seconds to comply and then PK'ed Ehli and myself (of course we defended ourselves so no she did not go red) we proceeded to pvp 2v2 for the next 3 hours. Eventually she got rolled 3 times in a row and called help. Like I mentioned before, we left to exp elsewhere and thought it was over. As Ehli mentioned Buccaneers was unallied at the time due to a castle transfer and Viconia thought the poor little lonely clan wont defend themselves - looks like she screwed the pooch!

If you ask me, FS (thus Storm) owes EPOCH a formal apology for instigating the war in the first place, and for not being reasonable at all in negociating about it.

Also, you really think that we are going to ignore an undefended castle by a clan we are at war with? LOL are you crazy! I guess you can thank Viconia for losing your castle, and your orfen earing :) GG!

[OneManArmy]

Lol chlor, didn't you know? Storm is two parts. If FS kills someone, the rest is not directly linked. Apparently that ally tag means nothing. If you need confimation on this you can pm any of the FF/tsu members lol.

[Sorrus]

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I gave orders to kill the leaders in Oblivion the names were given out. If you were killed it was to prevent you from casting on the relic. PERIOD.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Drekk imo pk's are personal. They should not be elevated to the clan or alliance level. I have always said this. If you get pk'd take a name and get even.

[/ QUOTE ]

so the orders to pk came straight from the top, yet they should stay personal.. thanks for clearing that up.

[Red8]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I gave orders to kill the leaders in Oblivion the names were given out. If you were killed it was to prevent you from casting on the relic. PERIOD.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Drekk imo pk's are personal. They should not be elevated to the clan or alliance level. I have always said this. If you get pk'd take a name and get even.

[/ QUOTE ]

so the orders to pk came straight from the top, yet they should stay personal.. thanks for clearing that up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well Sorrus, looks like you got your name...

[ChlorineL2]

[ QUOTE ]
Lol chlor, didn't you know? Storm is two parts. If FS kills someone, the rest is not directly linked. Apparently that ally tag means nothing. If you need confimation on this you can pm any of the FF/tsu members lol.

[/ QUOTE ]How do you say "Weak" in Russian? ;)

[ViconiaDeVir]

[ QUOTE ]
< Person in question that took that loot (together with Fathips)

Ah yep, if Vic would've said "hey, I was just mana resting in the area and took a half hr break, can you give back my adena?". Instead it was:

ViconiadiVir: <insert a few flamey words> MY LOOT MY SPOT
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
Ehli: dude, I didn't see you around and I've been xping here for 30 mins
ViconiadiVir says: NO ENGLISH!
Ehli: You really should pick up loot if you go away so long
ViconiadiVir says: NO ENGLISH!
ViconiadiVir hit you for 460 dmg
<Ehli attacks back>
<War starts between Epoch and FS>

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, nice interpretation! Very funny. :D But maybe someone want to see how it was in fact?

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5540/fotdehlismallsize4bq.jpg

Ehli i hate guys who steal loot, scamming, PKing n00bs, etc under his clan/ally protection. And i don`t see a reason why i should be polite with them. You saw me on MP rest (you walked to spot across my head), so you know who exping here, and whose money lying around. But anyway you take spot, and picked loot. And now you trying to say "Viconia are BAD, she attacked me without reason just because she bored and want war" It`s not true. I attacked you because you take my money, and insult me. I attacked Epoch because they protecting thief. It`s simple.


P.S. "NO ENGLISH" :D :D :D Bravo Ehli, you have a good imagination.

[domisun]

Lol what a flame fest. Too funny. If ur reason to war storm is bc u got pk'd i think its lame as hell. If ur gonna blame me for that pk again i think its lame as hell. I told my guys to kill oblivion leaders at the siege of giran period. This is to prevent u casting on the relic. You guys are so pathetic. I never once said u were backstabbers, i dont know how u got that word in here. So it tells me u think we think ur backstabbers, which i dotn at all. But it explains the animosity now, and the ghay reason for war. Its all extremely clear so np. Thank you all for your time and energy.

[jasai]

lol

You insulted her first, Vic. "I repeat for stupid" o.O

[SithMaster]

Alright. I've had it with this thread. As irritating as some individuals may get, it is nothing less than obnoxious to have to read all of your posts. Did any of you make it out of high school? This is ridiculous; can I buy a some punctuation?

Do you guys really think that somebody is going to respect what you say when you just ramble your way through a 300 word paragraph? You all aren't even making different points then what has been said 30 times before in the thread. It's just repeated after repeated argument, except we suddenly seem to think that longer runon sentences make your point of view stronger.

All this he said/she said BS is getting ridiculous. Make an objective, fight, and move on. You want the truth? NOBODY cares why this war is REALLY going on, NOBODY cares what you think the reasons are, and NOBODY is going to stop warring for anything you're discussing.

I have increased my pvp score by 9 so far and Im a [censored] tank. I hit a guy in ROBES for 150 damage. It takes ZERO skill to play this game. It takes ZERO skill to earn pvps. The GIMPY tank is even earning pvps. So brag in clan chat some more because all this crap here is pathetic.

This is a VIDEO game. The grind in L2 seems to make so many people treat it like work or worse, RL. Play fair, have fun, and enjoy the rare pvp and thank your enemy for some fun fights. I hope we end it in a few weeks so I can gain more than 5% a night (because NOBODY wants to exp now x.x all war parties) but Im sure as hell gonna enjoy it while it lasts. Lord knows there isn't much pvp on Hindemith. Elishka, Sorrus, Domi, I love you all. Until then good luck, have fun, and remember, you can't carry the puck if you don't keep your head up.

PS- To "youknowho." Take all the trashtalking elsewhere. If you wanna play tough I live in Dayton OH, come say it face to face at the RecPlex. Until then, take your pale butt and crawl back into the hole where you play L2 8 hrs a day. You can take your L2 board pm's and shove it.

Now as my father once said to me the time I got run over while first learning to play hockey, "Quit your crying or I'll give you a reason to cry."

[Sunspark]

Viconia:

Wow first time your willing to talk (in English) to me. Last time Ambersky had to do it for you.

Shame you didnt screenshot the convo after that screenshot where you said that and attacked us, Viconia. Guess you forgot to? We never saw you anywhere near that spot. If you would, why didn't you react on us looting the whole place dry AND letting us XP there for more as a buff round. Bit odd huh? It's also amusing you suddenly can speak English.

Also as someone else said here, you were the one starting to be insulting, its on your own screenshot. First thing a Lineage2 NA player thinks when he sees a bunch of adena without anyone near is "bot". Before this happened I only heard from you from hearsay, so it's not like you knew me.

[Sorrus]

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Lol what a flame fest. Too funny. If ur reason to war storm is bc u got pk'd i think its lame as hell. If ur gonna blame me for that pk again i think its lame as hell. I told my guys to kill oblivion leaders at the siege of giran period. This is to prevent u casting on the relic. You guys are so pathetic. I never once said u were backstabbers, i dont know how u got that word in here. So it tells me u think we think ur backstabbers, which i dotn at all. But it explains the animosity now, and the ghay reason for war. Its all extremely clear so np. Thank you all for your time and energy.

[/ QUOTE ]
where'd the word backstabber came from? maybe when yourself, monxide, carolyn, and ladyalustriel started ranting and raving in FG. i think it might even be in this thread somewhere, if it wasn't 15 pages long i might search a bit harder lol, not positive on that tho.

and the pk'ing at goddard was just for kicks i suppose. during giran siege was half-sensible. after the one at goddard, i'd had enough.

[OneManArmy]

I have never said domi is the one to blame. I can see pk'ing at the giran siege to prevent casting. The point is Altec pk'd at goddard, where there was absolutely no reason to. No we were not signed. Whether or not you think this is a good reason to fight back or not, as you can see we aren't too concerned about that.

About the backstabber remarks, those may not have come directly from you domi, but your clan/alliance certainly expresses it.

[Slav2]

Ehli is a lier. He said he was hunting about half an hour on the spot.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/338/begining5vd.jpg
U can see that my MP is not full, we could not even finish our rest (in took usually about 10 min). What did you say, Ehli, to your ally leaders about this incident, I want to hear it :)
A lot of people now at war because of your stupid lie.

BTW first who started BS was FatHips. I dont know why it is not clear?

[Mawata]

Even though Im not even part of this..ganna state my views anyways after reading all 15 pages thus far. Rather amusing.

Pick up your [censored] loot.

I don't know how many times I had to tell people just leaving it on the ground to pick it up. I myself have picked up another Storm persons loot ( forgot his name sorry ) because he was dumb enough to leave it on the ground. Vic [censored] up, end of story.

Just because you're sitting near it, doesn't make it yours. After the 15 seconds, it's fair game. It's not Ehli's or Fathips fault he didn't pick up the loot. They saw it open on the ground, and so went for it. Not their fault.

:) BTW, <3 Erevin and Sorrus. ^_^

[Sunspark]

[ QUOTE ]
Ehli is a lier. He said he was hunting about half an hour on the spot.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/338/begining5vd.jpg
U can see that my MP is not full, we could not even finish our rest (in took usually about 10 min). What did you say, Ehli, to your ally leaders about this incident, I want to hear it :)
A lot of people now at war because of your stupid lie.

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh I said whats on the screenshot Oo what part of leaving a spot and forfeiting your loot by doing so do you not understand? Even on your screenshot it shows I'm quite amazed at what your saying/claiming, it only prooved my point 0_o

[SithMaster]

[ QUOTE ]
:D BTW, <3 Erevin and Sorrus. ^_^

[/ QUOTE ]

You're too young to heart people...besides I hear Erevin <3 Sorrus ... frequently :p

[Slav2]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ehli is a lier. He said he was hunting about half an hour on the spot.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/338/begining5vd.jpg
U can see that my MP is not full, we could not even finish our rest (in took usually about 10 min). What did you say, Ehli, to your ally leaders about this incident, I want to hear it :)
A lot of people now at war because of your stupid lie.

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh I said whats on the screenshot Oo what part of leaving a spot and forfeiting your loot by doing so do you not understand? Even on your screenshot it shows I'm quite amazed at what your saying/claiming, it only prooved my point 0_o

[/ QUOTE ] You have no point, you have only lie sutable for you at the moment.

[Sunspark]

Did you even understand the post you quoted? Your reply doesn't make much sense to me.

[Slav2]

[ QUOTE ]
Did you even understand the post you quoted? Your reply doesn't make much sense to me.

[/ QUOTE ] Your existance does not make much sense to me, thats all.

[Sorrus]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Did you even understand the post you quoted? Your reply doesn't make much sense to me.

[/ QUOTE ] Your existance does not make much sense to me, thats all.

[/ QUOTE ]
rofl i think this attitude is what gets you into trouble :eek:

[Red8]

Why don't you guys from FS just go to Teon or something? This is getting way out of control.

You didn't pick up your drops. Not within 15 seconds. Not within a minute. You even said yourself that you were doing an MP break for at least 10 minutes. If someone picks up that loot, it's theirs. End of story.

It's pretty bad when your alliance won't even back you guys up. I don't know what that says about you guys. Perhaps that your allies only back you up because of circumstance, not any formal bond or friendship. Either way, it seems a pretty sad situation.

Do yourselves a favor and stop crying about it. That doesn't get anything done in the long run, and only serves to make yourselves look like you were in the wrong from the get go.

If I were in domisun's shoes, I would have kicked you all out of the alliance long ago and found new friends to ally with. Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people on the server would agree with that. You make your bed, you lie in it. There is no sense in crying over it. Period.

[OneManArmy]

[ QUOTE ]
You're too young to heart people...besides I hear Erevin <3 Sorrus ... frequently

[/ QUOTE ]

Luke you know all our secrets, **** you. Hope you come back soon mawata :D

[domisun]

Tailchaser I dropped 200k on the ground after he refused. If not then maybe im mistaken. But I meant to drop 200k maybe i hit the wrong button. About seeing him I didnt see anyone till after my guys had started picking up. At which point I went to him and offered cash, rather than have all our guys give him money. Hope this clears things up for ya. Let this thread live on! =P

[Slav2]

We didnot asked our ally help, we even asked Domi do not help us. We love PvP, we love fun and we dont think that our 3 clans is too bad to compete with all Epoch Ally. Also we are playing in different timezones with NA part of ally. Also we are thinking to create 4th clan, 4th sound like force, you will like FS sea in the Storm ally :)

http://files.filefront.com/27_02_06l2r/;4816343;;/fileinfo.html
http://files.filefront.com/28_02_06l2r/;4821591;;/fileinfo.html

[OneManArmy]

Now this is the stupidest part. Why is FS part of storm. FF and Tsunami members have said don't count us as linked to FS in any way. If there is anything they have done, you keep it between you and them, not the rest of storm. Why doesnt FS just make their own alliance? Especially with a 4th clan on the way. That makes you as big as divine, almost as big as core. Different time zones, you consider storm as a 2 part ally, and dont want to deal with the other parts [censored] lol.

[Mawata]

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:D BTW, <3 Erevin and Sorrus. ^_^

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You're too young to heart people...besides I hear Erevin <3 Sorrus ... frequently :p

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Actualy no im not. ^^ You're just to old. :)

And besides. >< I turned 17 last friday. T.T just one more year when I'll be legal. :)

[Elrohir]

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I turned 17 last friday.

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17... 17...

Nope, doesn't ring a bell...

[OneManArmy]

Haha, legal for what oO

[BackAgain]

last week didnt u say u just turned 16.

[Elrohir]

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last week didnt u say u just turned 16.

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No.

[TaUrInGoDfAtHeR]

Hmmm,

check this out.It was wrong for Vic leaving his stuff in the ground but one thing is to have some1 mocking him for been from russia(IMO thats racism/prejudice,call it what you want it but still there)If some1 picks my loot Ill be a little piss but to make fun of me for been ESL(english second language) I will pk you right there and then.No questions ask.

Storm doesnt have to ask for forgiveness to any1.If you aprove this type of behavior in your ranks you guys are worthless.I have alot of respect for Elishka,Sd and BnK in general but plz correct this.

And to sorrus,stop your whinning about been pkd.You live by the sword,you will surely die by it.

[FinalJudgment]

Omg... what happened to this post, went from talking about Oren seige, to a huge war between clans lol. I must admit I love reading some of this stuff, keeps things interesting. Love seeing the pvp too...

[Mawata]

[ QUOTE ]
last week didnt u say u just turned 16.

[/ QUOTE ]

No? Lol.

[OneManArmy]

[ QUOTE ]
And to sorrus,stop your whinning about been pkd.

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Who is whining about being pk'd? I didn't see anyone whining about it. It was dealt with by pk'ing back, which has since escalated to a war. Now the only whining I can see is from those who are feeling it.

[domisun]

Lol. No whining just getting to the bottom of it. Its all clear now.

[domisun]

FS and Tsu FF arent linked in any way? Ok man whatever you say. We have been allied for a long time now. To say we arent linked in any way is ridiculous. The only time we havent warred together is during this war with Epoch, where both sides seemed happy to fight each other.

[Shatei]

PK wars suck... ganking is so lame. /allywar and Fraps it.

[OneManArmy]

Domi i'm really sorry I didnt screenshot your ally members chat at FG after that first incident. They really did explicitly say, we should not be linked to FS in any way, you should not be killing us for anything they did, etc. This is rediculous considering that you all have the same tag. Maybe it is clear to you that storm is a single alliance, but to a number of your members, its not. I wouldn't have even brought up this split alliance thing if there wasn't a 30 min convo at FG with all those who were dead and complaining, with this as the topic for much of the time.

[SithMaster]

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PK wars suck... ganking is so lame. /allywar and Fraps it.

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That is what this is Shatei. Except there is no longer an allywar system in L2. Tsunami has individually declared and accepted war from all Epoch/Oblivion clans. Even our 2box/alt clan got into it, though some Epoch/Oblivion clans will not/have not yet responded. I'm not sure if war tags show for people who are not yet involved. I assure you, 9 pvps and zero pk/karma.

[Slav2]

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Now this is the stupidest part. Why is FS part of storm. FF and Tsunami members have said don't count us as linked to FS in any way. If there is anything they have done, you keep it between you and them, not the rest of storm. Why doesnt FS just make their own alliance? Especially with a 4th clan on the way. That makes you as big as divine, almost as big as core. Different time zones, you consider storm as a 2 part ally, and dont want to deal with the other parts [censored] lol.

[/ QUOTE ] One day we had conversation with another leaders of russian clans (about 13 russian clans on hindemith). The main question was: lets organize really russian ally, we rejected it because we believe that on international server clans should not unite by nationality. Only by interests. Somebody asked Domisun why he do not want to kick us from ally and create new one. At the moment he is our lord, he can trust us that we will not leave his ally if the war knocks in his gate. I think that is the most important.
Yes, we had some lack of communication why our war with Epoch was started. That is my fault, next time I will explain all in details and there will be no one person who can say: "FS dragged Storm into war". We never grief people, never PK noobs, never violate EULA. But if somebody will come with a sword to us, he will be destroyed.

[Badger49]

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So ur telling me that whoever picked up fs's adena couldnt have known it was theirs? Thats bloody hogwash dude. You go into an area, pick up money and then someone shows up and says hey u picked up all my drops.

[/ QUOTE ]

...then what? :confused:

Well anyway; read my post to which you answered that to again, very slowly, comprehend it, compare it to your answer and then go figure.

If someone kills and leaves stuff lying around while fighting then common courtesy is to ignore the loot. If someone drops something and isn't an *** about it then he'll get it back from me. But when I pick up stuff that's lying around without anyone in sight it's mine. Period.

Starting a war just to feel better about a stupid mistake is moronic. On the other hand, if they wanted a war that bad anyway then why fabricate a stupid excuse? :rolleyes:

Namárië
Badger[49]

[OneManArmy]

To my knowledge, war has been declared by all Oblivion alliance clans, I know this to be the case for Ominous. If you can tell me which clan has not yet returned the war declaration, I will gladly pass on the message.

The war icon is different as of C4, it only shows upon your enemies heads, as either a single fist, if war has been declared and not returned (for or against), or 2 fists in the case of mutual war. No, clans not involved in the war can not see this.

About FS making their own alliance. This was only a suggestion based on the fact that some FF and tsunami members believe they are in no way implicated in the case of FS starting a war. As we were told at FG, if FS pk's one of us that has nothing to do with them. Our fight should only be with FS. Sounds like you have some issues to work on if this is the case.

[Fonewearl]

[ QUOTE ]
Ehli is a lier. He said he was hunting about half an hour on the spot.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/338/begining5vd.jpg
U can see that my MP is not full, we could not even finish our rest (in took usually about 10 min). What did you say, Ehli, to your ally leaders about this incident, I want to hear it :)
A lot of people now at war because of your stupid lie.

BTW first who started BS was FatHips. I dont know why it is not clear?

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HA, HA, you are lier. Check the screesnshot. Another player's MP is full, but yours are not full. Why? Because you are SE, you restored 3900 MP then buffed both and went to argue with Eihl.

Where does you two DE's buff come? Don't tell me it is your clan hall buff. 2 people with each 7-8 buffes. Won't that cost you 1400 MP?

Not to mention that there no proof that you didn't recharge your nuker before you ran to the scrreenshot place.

[Fonewearl]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Ehli is a lier. He said he was hunting about half an hour on the spot.
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/338/begining5vd.jpg
U can see that my MP is not full, we could not even finish our rest (in took usually about 10 min). What did you say, Ehli, to your ally leaders about this incident, I want to hear it :)
A lot of people now at war because of your stupid lie.

BTW first who started BS was FatHips. I dont know why it is not clear?

[/ QUOTE ]

HA, HA, you are lier. Check the screesnshot. Another player's MP is full, but yours are not full. Why? Because you are SE, you restored 3900 MP then buffed both and went to argue with Eihl.

Where does you two DE's buff come? Don't tell me it is your clan hall buff. 2 people with each 7-8 buffes. Won't that cost you 1400 MP?

Not to mention that there no proof that you didn't recharge your nuker before you ran to the scrreenshot place.

[/ QUOTE ]

By the way, check your system messages. You killed some mob and picked some loot, also restored your HP by 958 points. Who DID this?

If you killed the mob and healed yourself before rest for the SO CALLED 10 minute rest, we SHOULD be able to see buff or port messages on your system message window. Now we didn't see it. So your post of 10 minute claim is flawed and you are a lier.

I have no idea about the 30 minute claim from Epoch is true or not. This is just my view.

[Hutch]

This isnt exactly the first time you've "forgotten" to pick up loot Virconia... Ive seen you leave adena all over FG, and all over the area under GC. Im not sure why you would leave the loot lying around on a L2 server... L2 isnt exactly known for its stability and bug free game play..... Would you have warred the GMs if the server had crashed?

[Slav2]

Just because I have SA conversion my max MP is 3980 and HP 1964. Of cause ViconiaDeVir has less MP, he restore MP faster and have to wait for my full MP. At this time we desided not to wait my full MP, and baffs + greater heal does not reguire 1444 MP. I remember that moment very well, we had to go to the spot before my full MP restoration. All my baffs require 525MP, Greter Group Heal 222. Lack of 697MP+ is difficult to explain. Ok you can imagine whenever you want, call me lier or something, I have no another SSs to prove my words. Neither you.

[Elrohir]

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Im not sure why you would leave the loot lying around on a L2 server...

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Hell, who can afford to? I pick up loot if there 100 adena on the ground.

[Red8]

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Im not sure why you would leave the loot lying around on a L2 server...

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Hell, who can afford to? I pick up loot if there 100 adena on the ground.

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Hell SirE, I pick it up if it's 1 adena...

[Elrohir]

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Im not sure why you would leave the loot lying around on a L2 server...

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Hell, who can afford to? I pick up loot if there 100 adena on the ground.

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Hell SirE, I pick it up if it's 1 adena...

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You're a dorf. I wouldn't expect any different. :)

To be honest, me too (unless it's adena art). Hell, I pick up single mats I see lying around as well. I'm building a fort out of stems since I don't have a clan hall.

[Akirah]

[ QUOTE ]
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Im not sure why you would leave the loot lying around on a L2 server...

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Hell, who can afford to? I pick up loot if there 100 adena on the ground.

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Hell SirE, I pick it up if it's 1 adena...

[/ QUOTE ]

/signed hehe.. I got a dwarf too.. 1 adena here I come~!!!

Pick it up! There was two of you, the healer can easily pick up the loot while the DD continues killing.

[Mawata]

I don't think telling her to pick up will work sadly. >< Some say it helps speed up the "exp" when in realilty it just makes it open game for the person passing by because it's just laying there.

Hell, I'd pick up adena on the floor even IF the person that was still hunting the mobs, was still there. Done that before too. If you don't pick it up within 15 seconds, it AINT YOURS. Even if you still are hunting right next to it all. Oo

Just how I feel. :)

[Elrohir]

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Hell, I'd pick up adena on the floor even IF the person that was still hunting the mobs, was still there. Done that before too. If you don't pick it up within 15 seconds, it AINT YOURS. Even if you still are hunting right next to it all. Oo

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In principle, I agree with this but I tend to watch what the other person is doing. If they are melee, definitely, they should be picking up fairly quickly but I've seen ranged toons wait quite a while before rounding up all their drops. Those, I'll leave alone. If they go and sit down and leave their drops? Screw 'em.

[Fonewearl]

[ QUOTE ]
Just because I have SA conversion my max MP is 3980 and HP 1964. Of cause ViconiaDeVir has less MP, he restore MP faster and have to wait for my full MP. At this time we desided not to wait my full MP, and baffs + greater heal does not reguire 1444 MP. I remember that moment very well, we had to go to the spot before my full MP restoration. All my baffs require 525MP, Greter Group Heal 222. Lack of 697MP+ is difficult to explain. Ok you can imagine whenever you want, call me lier or something, I have no another SSs to prove my words. Neither you.

[/ QUOTE ]

Firstly, I didn't imagine anything from the post, I was analysing your image. Also want to remind you that your nuker used use 2 or 3 spells to kill the mob. I would assume that cost him 160-240 mp, but I didn't see that from his mp bar. Does it mean you also recharged him?

The fact now is that you actually restored around 3280 mp, maybe 3420 if you recharged. This is all the information from the picture. We have no idea if you two met ANY OTHER mobs before taking the screenshots. So your initial claim can not be supported anyway by the screenshot. It is also fault in the first place as you restored more than 2500 mp. That's it.

I have no idea if it was 12 or 15 or 30 minutes as I do not have a 73 SE wearing DC set.

[OneManArmy]

I say thank you for picking up the drops lol. If everyone did this, do you have any idea how much more the server would lag?

[kandlestik]

By Crom's Beard, this is a long post, and i dont even think the subject is sieges anymore. ** ** **. its bad enough nukers are overskilled, but now they have to run around a bit to pick up money. i think i grabbed this persons money in cementary the other week. but i threw it back down when i saw actual players. it must happen to em all the time, cause they/he/she/it was awerfully snippy, when i asked is this your gold. Cant imagine anyone snagging a few k adena if someone is going to get upset. Now a couple months ago in EV i think a T-1000 program went bad. I think i picked up **** near 500k and enough key mats to make a divine tunic and gloves. that was a beautiful thing. Waay back when, i used to love to let it pile up in branded. Let the seal stones hit the floor, Let the seal stones hit the floor!

[SomeFlame]

Listen, lol if your not picking up your adena your a [censored] ebayer through and through, anyone who has been here since open beta should know better.

[Drekk]

i am slightly inclined to agree, anyone who has been playing from beta and up legit knows that to pay for the cost of soul shots, you need every bit of adena. Unless you have 200+ mil in your wh, then you don't need anything.

[Athulua]

I've ran across this twice, both times in cemetery..

Once, i was nuking in a square, and a gladdy came along and started picking up gold, i asked what he was doing, and he said "oh sorry, thought you were a bot" i said no prob, and he left. He got a little bit of adena, but that's my fault for leaving it around.

Second time, in cemetery, different square, a human nuker of some kind comes along, starts picking up drops, i say "what are you doing?" he said "if you're to lazy to pick up then they're not yours" and started running away...he got about 7 steps, then i spent 10 mins working off karma. Moral of the story, if you really want your drops, and someone comes along and starts picking up, either do something about it or forget about it.

I think that's the best way to settle it.

SinEater ftw!

Athulua
Divine Stratia

[Mawata]

But Athulua, would you complain to you're ally ( Divine in this case ) that not only did someone "steal" your adena, but he killed you too. ( if the other person had won the battle and not you )

That kind of case would in fact cause problems.

If some person comes along, see's free loot ( even if the person is in fact still hunting near it all ) and starts to pick it up. Than the person hunting will of course want to know what they are doing. And in Athulua's case, she pked him.

Who's fault is it than? The person who picked up the loot, or the pker?

Or lets say it went the other way around, and ( sorry athulua, just using you as an example ) Athulua did in fact flag first after the guy starts to run off, but she dies instead.

Oo Than what? Her fault or the other guy defending himself?

I'd said ( my opinion :) ) it would be the person stupid enough to leave the loot on the ground in the first place. If you than flag and die, you'll have no one but yourself to blame. But that's not always the case. When you're in a big alliance, someone is bound to cry and ****** about it to their ally.

Thus causing a problem. Such as said ally pming the person who picked up the loot's leader and ( sadly in many cases...[censored] ) having a 5 hour long meeting about why one of them was stupid enough to leave their loot on the ground.

:) And than a war. Haha!

[DrMabuse]

[ QUOTE ]
If you than flag and die, you'll have no one but yourself to blame

[/ QUOTE ]


true:cool:

[Athulua]

[ QUOTE ]
If you than flag and die, you'll have no one but yourself to blame

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I agree totally, if i decide to pk the guy, and i flag, and he wins...well..i lost a pvp. Absolutely nothing to do with Divine. I wouldn't even mention it to them.

However, say if i leave loot on the ground, and he starts picking it up, i ask him not to, and in response, he pks or flags on me..first, we'd fight it out, and regardless of if i won or not, there would be some kind of Divine response...,.but by then it'd be about him flagging or pking me, nothing to do with the adena.

The only way i would 'complain' to my ally would be if he attacked me first. Even if he decided 'screw athulua' and flagged and i killed him, i'd still tell my ally, and something would be done about it. But I doubt i'd even mention the adena thing, i'd just say "i was hunting in such and such a spot, buddy here moved into my area, i told him to leave, and he flagged/pkd me" And we'd go from there.

Honestly, if you find adena lying all over, and start picking it up, and someone runs over and says HEY that's mine. Just leave it. It's a courtesy thing. Same as if you are in a cata/necro and someone is in a room, move to another.

Athulua
Divine Stratia

[Mawata]

Right but the right thing to do would be to..

Pick up your loot.

So I personaly don't think "just leave it" would be the brightest of idea's. I'd pick it up even if the person asked me too. After those 15 seconds, it is no longer yours after all.

[SithMaster]

[ QUOTE ]
It's a courtesy thing.

[/ QUOTE ]

/nod

You don't pickup other people's loot. You don't respond with "huh?" if you are being respectful when somebody says "please leave my spot." You don't respond with "thank you for the loot" if you aren't trying to cause trouble. Frankly, I'd want to start a fight with you too.

[Mawata]

Okay Luke. :) Next time Im around ya, make sure NOT to pick up your loot so I can "steal" it k? :)

It's common sense really. How hard is it to push /pick up. Set it on your tool bar. And if you dont have the room, either make room or just point and click. It's not the others person fault for picking up loot that is just laying there after all. It's the person who didn't pick it ups fault.

Ye sure if the person flags on you first, than okay I agree he/she should be killed. But other than that.....

Pick it up. :)

[Athulua]

Ya

I agree with you, best thing to do is pick up the loot. Sometimes i'm feeling lazy, and I don't :P If some guy comes along and takes it all, well, i shouldn't have left it lying around. No one to blame but myself.
In the cemetery example i used, the gladiator that was polite, got a bunch of adena, i didn't ask for it back. I just continued with my grinding.
Regarding the human mage guy..i was more annoyed that the guy just said "to bad, not yours" and didn't really care what i thought about the situation..so i pked him lol

It's amazing how far a please and thank you can take ya.

Athulua
Divine Stratia

[Athulua]

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How hard is it to push /pick up. Set it on your tool bar.

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lol, when i was in the cemetary, i killed mobs when they were far away...(Spellhowler) and if i hit the 'pick up' button, i'd walk over and get the loot from the mob, unfortunatly, another nearby mob would run over and stun me...and seeing as how in that square, they are all agro and social, it could (and was sometimes :P) the end of me. So i found it easier to just pick it all up at the end.
I know the risks of leaving loot on the ground. If i loose it, so be it. I'm more inclined to pk rude ppl than loot takers

Athulua
Divine Stratia

[Athulua]

if someone does pick up your loot though, don't post in the forum or involve your clan by going to war. Just pk them. Prove you are stronger and show them they were wrong to mess with you lol.
I honestly hardly ever argue with ppl. If they really bug me...i kill them. End of story. And it's never gotten me into trouble with other clans cuz i just say "this is what he said to me" No clans ever taken it any farther with me cuz my pks are for a reason. I've had TONS of ppl say "my ally is gonna gank you" or something like that, but after i talk to an alliance or clan officer, i've always been told "well, he had it coming" ...and that was the end of it.

I hate doing the sineater, i honestly wanna pk that stupid sineatin thing. So if i pk someone, it has to be worth bringing the little bugger out lol.

Athulua
Divine Stratia

[Sunspark]

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It's a courtesy thing.

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/nod

You don't pickup other people's loot. You don't respond with "huh?" if you are being respectful when somebody says "please leave my spot." You don't respond with "thank you for the loot" if you aren't trying to cause trouble. Frankly, I'd want to start a fight with you too.

[/ QUOTE ]

huh? Whats wrong with a "huh"? To me thats an expression of amazement towards an odd/unexpected question, maybe it means something different in American? I say it all the time irl and it's in no way even near rude. I was flabbergasted by someone asking me to leave a spot which I've been XPing in for a long time with no-one around.

They attacked first and we responded, after that I went XPing somewhere else, only to find out the next day we were kos for the whole FS alliance. Thats when I started up negotiations with Ambersky. After the little pvp struggle I did say what happened in allychat and people asked me why I did not request backup, but I explained it was just minor and that we would not need to get the ally involved. Guess they thought about it differently.

So, sorry if you regard these posts as flames, Domisun (I see them as constructive posts), but Viconia is the one that requested ally backup after a little pvp struggle, Viconia was the one that wanted to war because of an event like this. If you hate that so much you should look at them, we merely responded to war invites and tried diplomatic ways to solve it, which didn't work because again Viconia was being unreasonable with his demands.

During the negotiations Ambersky explained to us in Vent that FS wanted to war because they were "borred" (purposely added the extra 'r'). She said that in a Vent room with 10-20 Epoch people. It was *quite* clear to us that they probably just were trying to bait someone in a war.

Epoch is always open to negotiations, but we will not listen to unreasonable demands. Epoch has the feeling we're doing very nicely in this war (even before Oblivion joined), so expecting us to agree with terms like "give us item1, 2, 3, 4 and we stop" is not possible, if not insulting. I rather continue getting my daily 10 pvp's and 2 deathes.

[SithMaster]

Everyone is bored. Who doesn't enjoy a little pvp? In my eyes this is the most exciting part of the game. Hindemith has never seen such a large scale ally war as this. There are over 600 players with war tags on their heads. I have absolutely no problem with it, the parties I go pvping in are definately taking fewer losses than victories.

I played the PTS on a SH (actually it was a warsmith subbed SH) and I definately didn't loot until later. With 900 range I see NUMEROUS players killing mobs and then looting the area after all the aggros are dead. Which, in a high respawn region, takes time. Either way, the adena isn't yours, and if you pickup 200k worth of cash, that belongs to somebody. We aren't talking about small bits and pieces. That's really rude. By that right, if somebody dies to a mob do you loot them to? Oh it was on the ground for 15 sec guess its mine. Sorry maybe I just have higher standards?

So after somebody picks up all my loot, I see them running through my area and I POLITELY ask them to "PLEASE" leave my hunting area. The response I get is "huh?" Now if I just walked in on somebody's spot I say oops sorry moving on :) On rare occassions I may say, you weren't here this area is mine, or I don't care if you wanna fight for it flag, but "huh?" Is something confusing about the request? You just looted all my drops because youre greedy and then you act like my request in some way doesn't even make enough sense to be logically answered. I would immediately think "huh?" yeah I want my **** spot and loot *******. Then when the duo Im with decides to state "thanks for the loot" obviously somebody wanted to cause trouble. Yeah I'd definately be flagging at that point, even moreso on a character that can actually kill things :p You see, if my Paladin hunted for a hour and didn't pickup, you'd be stealing like 50 k :P No...that's probably pushing it :(

So yes, I think when you steal someones spot and loot you ought to be understanding of their frustration and certainly not aggravate people with "thanks for the loot." Yes, I think both sides have been itching for those rare far and few between good pvps on Hindemith. Yes, I think what you did was wrong. No, I do not think this SILLY discussion has anything to do with WHY this war is going on. You think WAY too highly of the individuals involved if you think the entire allies are TRULY at war over this. That's all BS. We all wanted some fun, some action, and as usual...I like the quality over quantity side. 2 allies vs 1 and STorM is growing stronger for it. I'm not sure where some of you people get these pvp counts...I keep asking on ally chat how many deaths has everyone taken yet...I'm on 2 myself...of the 30 online when I asked, nobody had over 3. Soo...umm...I dont know how 10 or so people seem to have earned 50 pvps...thats like 20 or 30 deaths for each of our daily active members >.>

Frankly, Vic could have pked you and said it was because you "smell funny." It makes literally zero difference. It's a game, Im glad somebody finally accepted a clan war without going "pk is better." Lame.

[TaUrInGoDfAtHeR]

As you all remember that person that started all this was been a smart mouth, in other words been disrespectful.Again one thing is to pick up some1 else loot but to make fun of the person for been from russia is another.Doesnt matter how you all try to make excuses or turn it around to make the ppl from Storm look bad,he was still wrong by making fun of Vic.ANd when I say make fun off plz look at the SS it was privded by Vic.
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If this big mouth comes to me like this surely I will dropped him and make his life painful.I gives a [censored] what comes after.So stop trying to make storm look bad when you got ppl like this in your alliance.

[Sunspark]

[ QUOTE ]
As you all remember that person that started all this was been a smart mouth, in other words been disrespectful.Again one thing is to pick up some1 else loot but to make fun of the person for been from russia is another.Doesnt matter how you all try to make excuses or turn it around to make the ppl from Storm look bad,he was still wrong by making fun of Vic.ANd when I say make fun off plz look at the SS it was privded by Vic.
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http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5540/fotdehlismallsize4bq.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]
If this big mouth comes to me like this surely I will dropped him and make his life painful.I gives a [censored] what comes after.So stop trying to make storm look bad when you got ppl like this in your alliance.

[/ QUOTE ]

I could be wrong but the first insult I read there was me being called stupid. Guess I have to check my eyes.

Example: yesterday I spotted a nice XP spot, didn't see anyone around, saw a few k money on ground so picked it up, killed like 3-4 mobs when suddenly Solange and his/her SE comes from behind a hill and says they were manaresting behind that hill. Took them only 15 seconds to see we were there. Of course we gave back the adena and moved on.

So whats the difference between above and the other event? Quite simple. The first event we were XPing for half an hour. Thats MORE as whats required to regen your mana bar. Thats a LOT time for owners to notice someone went in there and say "hey, we're xping here".

When I saw Vic come he came from the far north (we were at SW forest Llidia spot). As some of you might know thats the route you come from when you ported from town to here. What my guess is, is that they ported either to town and came back later or went somewhere else, I don't know. But what it certainly means is that you do not care for the money your leaving behind, nor should someone be in ANY position to claim ownership of said spot.

Every day we go there (still!) theres a LOT money on the ground there, with no-one around. I check my adena-amount and pick it up, because I rather have it in my wallet then see it gone in a server crash. People that are so careless about their money do not deserve it, either because they are ultra lazy or pumped a lot ebay money in their account. I can XP there hours after with no-one coming there to claim it. This is a daily happening.

As for the utter BS of a SH not having time to pick it up - make time. I kill more mobs / hour then an SH there. One crit of my unicorn close to insta-kills a mob there. Last saturday I got 40% XP there at my level, try beat that. So don't start BS-ing me about killrate and not having time to pick it up. Nukers PM me there saying "omg you kill faster then me". Do you see money laying on the ground near me? No. I'm usually poor (especially now with beastSS) for my level, I do not use BSOE ever, nor do I think its fun to ebay money and "cheat" a game I enjoy playing. In the end you want to be able to be proud of your accomplishement.

So too bad, if your so rich that you can afford not picking up loot before you go somewhere else you forfeit all rights for that money. This is also Epoch's stance. Many of us automatically label "ebayer" or "broken bot" to people not picking up loot. Though that might be a bit extreme stance (could be being lazy too) I certainly can understand why.

I don't know when you pvp Luke (oddly I never ever saw you in pvp parties, while I'm usually present in the squads that wipe FS teams), but it seems you miss a lot 'action'. Maybe its because we are different timezones (I'm Euro). My daily pvp kills are usually the same people; adriana, viconia, anjie etc. This is not weird, as those people in their turn seem to be the most active pvpers of Storm/FS. Again, I never saw you, nor are you in FS or can understand their chat (check those screenshots.. how the hell do you communicate with your own ally chat in russian?) so I certainly do not think thats weird. I usually go to bed around 19:00 American time, when I can't find more FS to kill because they also went to bed.

PvP is quite fun and Viconia and Adriana & friends are worthy advesaries. I'm still amazed they didn't want to end this war, as, like I said perviously, we seem to kill them a lot more as vica verca. Now that rest of Storm joined too I see less of their parties compared to before. I don't know why, but it could be that Oblivion is having fun too :cool:

[Impetus]

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So after somebody picks up all my loot, I see them running through my area and I POLITELY ask them to "PLEASE" leave my hunting area. The response I get is "huh?" Now if I just walked in on somebody's spot I say oops sorry moving on :) On rare occassions I may say, you weren't here this area is mine, or I don't care if you wanna fight for it flag, but "huh?" Is something confusing about the request? You just looted all my drops because youre greedy and then you act like my request in some way doesn't even make enough sense to be logically answered. I would immediately think "huh?" yeah I want my **** spot and loot *******. Then when the duo Im with decides to state "thanks for the loot" obviously somebody wanted to cause trouble. Yeah I'd definately be flagging at that point, even moreso on a character that can actually kill things :p You see, if my Paladin hunted for a hour and didn't pickup, you'd be stealing like 50 k :P No...that's probably pushing it :(

So yes, I think when you steal someones spot and loot you ought to be understanding of their frustration and certainly not aggravate people with "thanks for the loot." Yes, I think both sides have been itching for those rare far and few between good pvps on Hindemith. Yes, I think what you did was wrong. No, I do not think this SILLY discussion has anything to do with WHY this war is going on. You think WAY too highly of the individuals involved if you think the entire allies are TRULY at war over this. That's all BS. We all wanted some fun, some action, and as usual...I like the quality over quantity side. 2 allies vs 1 and STorM is growing stronger for it. I'm not sure where some of yo people get these pvp counts...I keep asking on ally chat how many deaths has everyone taken yet...I'm on 2 myself...of the 30 online when I asked, nobody had over 3. Soo...umm...I dont know how 10 or so people seem to have earned 50 pvps...thats like 20 or 30 deaths for each of our daily active members >.>

Frankly, Vic could have pked you and said it was because you "smell funny." It makes literally zero difference. It's a game, Im glad somebody finally accepted a clan war without going "pk is better." Lame.

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I think the "huh?" would be the amazement at being told to leave after they had been there for 30 minutes and then get told to leave and its Vic's spot.

It's also funny, the "2" deaths you have received. I personally haven't been on too much this week, but saw you die once, far off the siege ground's at the Oren siege. This was from a lot of Epoch and you commented on it somewhere else on these forums. Then last night at your clan hall siege, you died once up on the hills with the other 25 people or so you managed to get and then you died another time after you ported into your clan hall and tried running out on your strider.

I know my math is a little rusty here... but I think that is 3 deaths that I personally saw and I'm far from on all of the time. This also doesn't include any deaths from any oblivion people, so I think maybe you need to get out the old calculator and rethink your statement.

The max was 3 deaths from people on last night? lol Thol2 was on last night... and i personally saw him die 8 times just at the clan hall siege. Died on the hill, ported to clan hall and died, respawned at clan hall (three times in a row) and died again. Died running into the middle of us all at your clan hall and then said "I dont have any idea whats going on." Received two rezzes and died again both time.

The majority of the pvp from your alliance is done by FS and since not a single one was there last night to help you defend maybe that's where you got your numbers.

[Woodsman]

If woody sees money on the ground with noone bothering to pick it up. I am a happy woody and pick all up.

If somebody is still killing mobs I am polite enough to ask first before I pick things up (you would be surprised how often they say sure go ahead). But after I have taken it, it is mine.

Also if you leave your leveling spot for more then a few minutes it is gone as well. If you dont like this, well this is a PvP game after all.

If you think such an incident is worth a clanwar, well that is your choice again isnt it? Frankly I am surprised this thread is still alive after all this time.

Good luck Epoch and FS. May the best party win.

[SithMaster]

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It's also funny, the "2" deaths you have received. I personally haven't been on too much this week, but saw you die once, far off the siege ground's at the Oren siege. This was from a lot of Epoch and you commented on it somewhere else on these forums. Then last night at your clan hall siege, you died once up on the hills with the other 25 people or so you managed to get and then you died another time after you ported into your clan hall and tried running out on your strider.


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Oh are we counting sieges and clan hall defense? I would die at these events regardless of war/no war, I'm talking about outside town pt vs pt FAIR combat. I'm sorry I generally don't include victory/loss counts when the number ratio exceeds 20:1. That's normally when we call death "fighting to the last man" or "noble." I did not die on the hill with the rest of my clannies. I fought til the very end, and with 1k hp, last man standing, I cut back around an object, stunned the pursuing player and made a break for it. I was chased for a good 4 mins by more than 2 players which was quite fun. Especially when I hopped on the strider and doubled back just for kicks. As for siege deaths last weekend I had at least 4 or 5 at .5% loss.

My pvp parties generally consist of Domisun Rumor Monxide Carolyn Zeracheil Unforgiving Zondraa or an assortment of the other NA Tsunami/Flashflood players. We rarely lose, the people that die get rezzes. As a matter of fact, outside of EVENT combat where it seems to take massively greater numbers to kill the gimpy tank..or chase him to dion...(I thought humans were slow lol) I have died twice. Once at the N port spot of EV, and once on ToI 10 while chain stunning theMayers whom is my hero :) That is the only time my pvp party has lost that I was present for. I have been present for probably around 85 kills by the party...Id say we have around 25-30 total deaths while we pvp 9v9 or sometimes a 11v9 when Rumor and myself do the "awesome pt of death."

Yeah I said some things when I died at N EV. I believe my comment was "wow I didn't do half bad!" There were 3 parties there and lil old me lagging out for several minutes to port to aden. My comp started chugging cause I switched screens to Lilbuffer during the port. Hell the Aden siege ENDED during this time. I popped in and was at 0 CP from the dwarf (olemangray sp?) beating on me. Took two steps right, hit UD, and flagged back. No BSOE, no BS. I died 27 v 1 laughing and saying "well hell I gave it my best shot."

The majority of the pvp should be done by FS. If we're looking at "every man pulling his share" of the pvp action...FS is like...3x the size of Tsunami/Flashflood? I would hope you see more of them considering there are three times as many...and they actually play your hours instead of my usual hours which are 7 EST - 11 EST. But if you're looking to die, feel free to pm me when you're at your hunting spot. If I'm on I can assure you some classic pvp.

And Ehli, of course you can loot. You can send the donkey at the next target while you go pickup items. You're double the number of people. So when you're duoing, you're doing what 3 players could normally do. Knock knock. Hello! To me it looks like Vic's "stupid" comment was less an insult, and more a descriptor so you knew she was talking to you and "please leave my area" would be less confusing (as if thats hard to comprehend).

Well, Im off to the gym. You guys can try again for when I get back eh?

[TaUrInGoDfAtHeR]

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Ok my bad,check this ones out incase you forgot.Now what you got to say to this.Nothing!!!! Fathip got a big mouth as I stated b4.

[Fonewearl]

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Ok my bad,check this ones out incase you forgot.Now what you got to say to this.Nothing!!!! Fathip got a big mouth as I stated b4.

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If I was suddenly asked by another people--"problem with english", I feel it an insult, at least not positive attitude. From the picture post, if I was the person being asked, I would feel very unhappy because someone jumped out and pointing finger to me that I have problem in understanding simple english.

[Bloodfest]

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I'm talking about outside town pt vs pt FAIR combat.

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Luke by now you should have known pvp is never fair unless you organise it in arena's. There is always some group fighting mobs, buffing up, not paying attention or one group having some advantage over the other. Today an archer thought he had an easy pray on a bishop and a prophet fighting 3 mobs, while I died in the end, he died 1 hit later, and came back with another archer and a tank. Fair? No, but since when was L2 about fairness. :p

[SithMaster]

LOL both sides have to deal with aggro mobs. When a nine v nine occurs on the map that's as balanced as this game gets. You are right in assuming this isn't terribly balanced overall, but thats as close as you can come and it aint so bad. But thats ok, I know how the logic goes. Bring 100 to stop 20 and its fair as long as the other side doesn't do it right? LOL I enjoy the clanwarlists. It's getting so hard to find you guys these days. Gotta run around searching and asking people for intel. Nobody says a word when 9 people run up and wipe their pt, but gosh do we feel the need to trash talk when 30 people chase one. Cracks me up :)

In conclusion, at least in party vs party the numbers are close to even ;)

[xDukesterx]

I've made about 400k as well as tons of mats, just picking up adena by that spot near Lidia. Noone was there, and noone came for another 2 hours while i solo'd there. Thanks whoever ;)

[Mawata]

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LOL both sides have to deal with aggro mobs. When a nine v nine occurs on the map that's as balanced as this game gets. You are right in assuming this isn't terribly balanced overall, but thats as close as you can come and it aint so bad. But thats ok, I know how the logic goes. Bring 100 to stop 20 and its fair as long as the other side doesn't do it right? LOL I enjoy the clanwarlists. It's getting so hard to find you guys these days. Gotta run around searching and asking people for intel. Nobody says a word when 9 people run up and wipe their pt, but gosh do we feel the need to trash talk when 30 people chase one. Cracks me up :)

In conclusion, at least in party vs party the numbers are close to even ;)

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:) I love how people tell us though when you're little gang is running around.

[SithMaster]

Yeah its nice to see you all pop up in town :) What's also funny is, plenty tell us where you are ;)

But seriously, why run and hide? I thought you all were lovin the pvp like us?

I asked 4 Epoch melee in Goddard for a 1v1...not one person accepted :( The days of my fun 1v1 must be gone :(

[Mawata]

I never said we "pop" up in town. Just said people tell us where you all are and if you're comming our way. :)

I'll be more than happy to stay and fight.

But...It's no fun when none of you are out when Im hunting. >< Or when Im up for pvp..there isn't any. T.T

[SithMaster]

I'm so sorry Mawata I feel the same way :( But yeah, as soon as we hit town, it seems like a ton of people from our enemies are suddenly standing around o.o

[Medina1]

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Rofl, pk wars are fun, take it like a man and dish it back 10x.

I officially dub thee with the dubious title of Carebear of the Month.

Oh yeah you usually change topics by asking "who are you?" or "I've never seen you before." Who cares, you're still in my calendar as Carebear of the Month. Can I have a hug?

[mayerss]

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on a side note...GF guys...i guess storm vs oblivion over

[HindeDude]

lol Luke now i see why so many people dislike u, u have a big mouth which seems to say a lot of things that arent tru. Ur alliance finally saw how badly it was losing and made a wise choice to end war. Keep on yappin so we have more reasons to kill u. Sad i never saw u out and about when we were at war, woulda loved to drop u after reading all this lame text. This drama is why i never read the boards but heard it was funny stuff so read it when i could use a good laugh. cya

[SithMaster]

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lol Luke now i see why so many people dislike u, u have a big mouth which seems to say a lot of things that arent tru. Ur alliance finally saw how badly it was losing and made a wise choice to end war. Keep on yappin so we have more reasons to kill u. Sad i never saw u out and about when we were at war, woulda loved to drop u after reading all this lame text. This drama is why i never read the boards but heard it was funny stuff so read it when i could use a good laugh. cya

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Well all you have to do is pm and ask. Where did you want to 1v1?

[Mawata]

Well....there goes my fun out the window. Im rather sad to see Storm pulled out of the war with Oblivion. Not a single person on our side were having any problems with it. In fact, everyone got all mad/sad when they saw the storm clans pull out.

Lol though ts was funny..."what are they doing?!" was amusing.

**** you Storm, you just ruined my fun. :)

[Bru3nor]

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I've made about 400k as well as tons of mats, just picking up adena by that spot near Lidia. Noone was there, and noone came for another 2 hours while i solo'd there. Thanks whoever ;)

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Same for me today Duke.. Only I know who was botting there because I saw them buffing a few minutes later. Pm me in game. LadyAlustriel or Bru3nor and I'll tell you who it was. A pretty well known player although I don't think anyone would be surprised as to who it was. (he/she is untagged now but was in a major alliance) I picked up around 600k adena and tons of mithirl ore.

[ChlorineL2]

sry but you're either blind or stupid, since this has been stated before..

they were not in the area before we came for a buff round and a half, so yes "huh?" is a reasonable response

you're such a loser to think I actually thought you were good when I started in C3, cool, high level paladin - more like a noob.

I don't understand what you can't comprehend Luke, Ambersky (FS clan spokesman if you didn't know) admitted that Viconia started the war by baiting us into a trap intentionally. End of discussion.

[SilverWolfEcho]

I have to admit that when I first saw the "reason" for the war enumerated in ally chat, and someone said "Ehli picked up Vic's loot" I thought they meant that Vic had gone red, and Ehli had picked up his loot and refused to give it back. Now, this didn't sound much like Ehli to me, but..

That would have been a good reason to start a clan war.

I think that the "reason" for the war was the reason that half of SToRM stayed out of it at first.

..It's not a very good reason.

[Elrohir]

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Welcome to Hindemith. I'll be your drama director.

[Sansone]

they admitted that they just wanted some PvP, and 2 members from EPOCH just happened to be the fish that took a bite on the bait. ++ pvp / -- XP / ++ sp

[SithMaster]

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60% into 72 and I'm still short 6 M sp :(

[PushyCat_DE]

LOL

I never had that problem. With all the washing and dying that took place last year, I had enough to get through to my new 76 passive skills. Hmm, I wonder what's going wrong there oh heneral? ;)

[SithMaster]

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I never had that problem. With all the washing and dying that took place last year, I had enough to get through to my new 76 passive skills. Hmm, I wonder what's going wrong there oh heneral? ;)

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I win. And when I pk I wash on mobs :p

[PushyCat_DE]

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And when I pk I wash on mobs

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What are you talking abooot, you can't wa......

Doh wash on mobs, I get it!

[SithMaster]

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And when I pk I wash on mobs

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What are you talking abooot, you can't wa......

Doh wash on mobs, I get it!

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Or hang around Monxide and have this conversation.

"****it I told you, nobody pks over 5 so we can go wash safely"
"I tried Luke, but you just kill so slow I get bored"

[ChlorineL2]

Please join FS, Luke.

[ducceus]

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I would join FS with luke. He is a bigger man than any of you Epoch. o.o

[Nairb]

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I would join FS with luke. He is a bigger man than any of you Epoch. o.o

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HAA HAAAA HAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA OHHHHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH HAAAAAAAAAAAAA DUFIS!

[SithMaster]

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Hey now! I lost 7 lbs in 2 weeks at the gym so far. 174 on the button. But I digress...we all know that I consider the only place where two men can accurately evaluate whom is superior...is an icerink. I don't know about Epoch, but I would break Elishka like a ragdoll. :P

[SilverWolfEcho]

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sounds kinky.. but only if i get to do it.

[Sansone]

well u may kick my *** if you can catch me, my 140+ pvp on all of storm's robe and light armor wearing classes (even some heavy armor) make up for it.

[SilverWolfEcho]

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well u may kick my *** if you can catch me, my 140+ pvp on all of storm's robe and light armor wearing classes (even some heavy armor) make up for it.

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what about me? do i get to do it just for fun?

[SithMaster]

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well u may kick my *** if you can catch me

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<puts on BW hvy, grabs a sws and "the" bow>