Erica?

[Thursdayfan565]

Follow the many people that leave erica and join Lionna where all your dreams come true, where the players actually interact! RAWR


dead server

[Caleria]

Shice, seems we died yesterday and didn't even notice. O_O

Something really must be wrong.

Enjoy Lionna. Erica has never been for everyone.

Cal

[Jacomus]

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Follow the many people that leave erica and join Lionna where all your dreams come true, where the players actually interact! RAWR


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Dead server? Last I logged in it was alive and well. It's an SP vs whoever flags back server, but other clans and alliances doing their own thing.

If you rate our sever on forum activity then ur leading urself into false impression. My clan and alliance forums very active, as I am sure others are as well.

AntiSP side at the point that pulling together another coalition is a waste of time. Neutrals will be neutrals and baised will be baised. Not worth trying to persuade the minds of nonpartispants cause in the end they will fall back into stagnet "leave me alone so I can lvl" frame of mind.

So the Erica forums go back to **** hole of RP server =P

[SDogDEMage01]

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So the Erica forums go back to **** hole of RP server =P

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Aw yeah! GO JAMIN!

LOL. I can't believe I'm with Jamin on this one. ;)


S-Dog

[Jute]

I <3 Erica.

Even with all it's difficulties.

:)

[RumPunch]

I <3 Erica

....because of all it's difficulties!

[XaraX]

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Follow the many people that leave erica and join Lionna where all your dreams come true, where the players actually interact! RAWR


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Dead server? Last I logged in it was alive and well. It's an SP vs whoever flags back server, but other clans and alliances doing their own thing.

If you rate our sever on forum activity then ur leading urself into false impression. My clan and alliance forums very active, as I am sure others are as well.

AntiSP side at the point that pulling together another coalition is a waste of time. Neutrals will be neutrals and baised will be baised. Not worth trying to persuade the minds of nonpartispants cause in the end they will fall back into stagnet "leave me alone so I can lvl" frame of mind.

So the Erica forums go back to **** hole of RP server =P

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WOW Jamin .. just WOW

[Katastrophe]

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I sort of agree, but it's also a Rebellion vs anyone who doesn't flag back server and a BL versus anyone two grades bellow them server. Oh, and an Avalon versus, well, SP I guess, only alliance I haven't seen grief/train/pk/pvp us.

At least SP has the curtesy of letting me buff myself before they kill me ;)

[Jacomus]

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It's an SP vs whoever flags back server

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I sort of agree, but it's also a Rebellion vs anyone who doesn't flag back server and a BL versus anyone two grades bellow them server. Oh, and an Avalon versus, well, SP I guess, only alliance I haven't seen grief/train/pk/pvp us.

At least SP has the curtesy of letting me buff myself before they kill me ;)

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I was generalizing and im biased against SP. That's my story and I'm sticking to it :P

[HTI]

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Follow the many people that leave erica and join Lionna where all your dreams come true, where the players actually interact! RAWR


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Yeah, why PvP when you can just talk about your problems.....
Lionna? is that a country in south-america? never heard of it

[admiral_ju00]

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I sort of agree, but it's also a Rebellion vs anyone who doesn't flag back server and a BL versus anyone two grades bellow them server. Oh, and an Avalon versus, well, SP I guess, only alliance I haven't seen grief/train/pk/pvp us.



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ROFL ain't that the truth. Rebellion and BL is becoming ever more so **** annoying these days. 2 Grade below PvP FTW!!! I guess they gotta earn their Pvp count somehow and this is better then running around naked in noob towns :p

To the OP, Erica is a rough server. Not everyone can take it so go find a more carebear server if that is what you're looking for.

[Caleria]

Uhm so the people from allies who hit the level cap as the very first are complaining about "two grades below" pvp? ;) Addressing noone in particular, just wondering. :p

Cal

[admiral_ju00]

Well, SP is known for their Griefing/Pk/etc.

I didn't expect alliances such as Rebellion or BL to be doing much of the same. In that sence, I'm rather dissapointed, yes. Especially for some who like in the case of BL seem to hate SP so much, they sure act no different from what I've seen.

Rebellion is seemingly worse than BL as if you don't flag back on em they outright PK you. I guess they love running their Sin Eaters.

Also there was an instance where some of my ally mates were harasing bots and none other than Rebellion (enforcers ?) showed up to put an end to that, which was rather interesting.

When it comes to SP, I don't have any onimosity towards them as I do not remember the last time they harrased or pk'd myself or my clannies. Especially since everyone expects SP to PK/Grief/Train. They are also now busy with the aforementioned alliances to notice us, so right now our main problem are the BL/Rebellion than SP.

I take it you maybe defending BL or Rebellion? Are you in either one of em?

I'm also not sure if that above comment was directed at me, but I wish I was even near the top lvl but I might be there at the 75/0 range maybe in another year or so. :p

[nolerahl]

No whats bad is to have people who where in JL/rebellion, A-SP come down to low lvl raid this afternoon and grief the whole group cause some *** wanted to interfear with our raid.

The ones that do the most lieing and greifing is A-SP.

I personally know of people in the A-SP side that bot or use the programs to their own benifet. and I know some who got high lvl but stoped after words.

Maybe you don't know about all of the people that got band on the A-sp side. but it happends and it happends alot.

[admiral_ju00]

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The ones that do the most lieing and greifing is A-SP.


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Now that would be the understatement of the century ^^

[Caleria]

*shakes head and wanders away laughing to himself* :)

[Jacomus]

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No whats bad is to have people who where in JL/rebellion, A-SP come down to low lvl raid this afternoon and grief the whole group cause some *** wanted to interfear with our raid.

The ones that do the most lieing and greifing is A-SP.

I personally know of people in the A-SP side that bot or use the programs to their own benifet. and I know some who got high lvl but stoped after words.

Maybe you don't know about all of the people that got band on the A-sp side. but it happends and it happends alot.

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I'm going copy and paste my remarks on Blah.

"TSA days, they were trying piss as many people off as possible. Coalition thing started cause players just tried of their ****, and yes worked with some [censored] on our side.

Coalition is dead, we are now separate alliances with their own agendas/styles/rules. Really the whole "ASP" is not accurate. Might seem like we are all under one umbrella to fight SP, but really that's about all we got in common. "ASP" just easy way to say thous at war with SP, but not all the alliances/clans are working together against them and some war amongst themselves.

So really be more specific when u chat about ASP, cause not longer one force."

Stick with JL/Rebellion all u wish, but Avalon has nothing to do with random acts of griefing unless it was the enemy.

Thank u :P

[Katastrophe]

Meh, getting a bit overly defensive Jamin. Most of the posts (if not all) that talked bad about ASP also mentioned they were talking about BL and rebellion.

As for Avalon, maybe for SP you're considered as ASP, but for the rest of the server you aren't. You're anti-SP, but not ASP. Just as we also call SP alt-clans SP even if they don't have the SP tag on their heads.

[nolerahl]

I think you of all people need to get your head out of your ***, and tkae alook around at the people who are on the A-SP side, yeah there mite be 8-12 allys on our server.

but most of the notorious A-SP ones have turned to (genocide, Rebillion, BL, some moved to SP, some clanless, some to gaia, army of darkness )
Really tho, you seriously need to join the A-SP side in vent and other scoures when you do you will learn the same thing as I have.

Spend a yr on a side that can never raid with out loseing members at lest 70% of the time. a side that loses just about every siege. No one has taken oren from BL couse the castle isn't that great. JL gianed aden for about 2 weeks cause no one from SP was on to defend.

A-SP side don't listion to any one, they charge in head first to pvp/sieges with out a thought out game plan, and they don't inform there allys and clanies.

I joined to the A-SP side cause I was griefed alot in C2, but mostly cause I felt I was still a pure thinking gamer, and thought boting bad and cause I was told SP boted to get to 60+, I beleaved it. (I know alot have, and alot havent)

And I know of people from the A-SP side runing bots.

I'm posting facts if you don't like it, then stick it up your ***!

[Caleria]

Nolerahl you are really a genius... when it comes to board-PKing yourself in publc. Kudos. :)

Cal

[nolerahl]

go screw youre self cal!

[nolerahl]

BTW to those of you who beleave that SP or rebillion are the only ones that bot. take alook at 420 ally, my propehts clan just killed 4 of them yesterday in HC for boting, and we're going to do it again.

[Caleria]

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go screw youre self cal!

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Ah finally, I was so waiting for that reply. :)

I tried to wait and let yourself have insight and turn around before it's too late... but you keep asking for a board-PK. Let's see what I can do for you.

First I find it particularily funny that you and the admiral come here to whine about griefing. You whine about the griefing you received when you was low level, you whine about the griefing you received while being "A-SP" (I will adress that stupidity later), now you whine about the griefing you receive while being with those who delivered the grief to you before. It's ok if you get owned often, but you're certainly not the most suffering player on Erica and still whine for 10.

You two complain that "A-SP" (I will adress that stupidity later) has no right to grief you because it's bad and evil, while it's ok for SP to grief since they've always been doing it and one must simply expect and accept it. Got slightly different measures?

Do you know the two dumbest excuses one can use to justfy stupidity? Number one certainly is "But the others do it too!" Dunno if you paid much attention in elementary school, but only the most ******ed kids keep using it after second grade.
Number two but only slightly less humiliating is "But we've always done that!"
Can you tell me which two arguments you used in this thead to underline your points?


So let me see what I can decipher of your post what your special row with "A-SP" (I will adress that stupidity later) could be and how it came that far.

I don't want to stress the tension... so I'll outright come to my conclusion: You are a sheep.
"A-SP" loses every siege, they cannot do a raid without losing members, they cannot protect their members from grief, nobody is listening to anybody.

Well, I'm really sorry that you made such bad experiences, but I'm afraid in the end you have to blame nobody but yourself. Because you are a sheep, not a wolf. Because you have absolutely no clue about leading a clan or building a working society. And unfortunately there are enough people like you in L2 to make a difference.

You run away from your problems and hope that you can get into the protection by someone who's stronger than you. I guess you never bothered to organize a siege, you never bothered to organize a raid, you never bothered to develop a working grief protection for your clan, you never bothered to become a leader and change anything to the positive.

So what again was your point?

Don't act so high and mighty, morally you're not even big enough to kiss a dwarven behind.

Oh and about "A-SP"... if you'd know that much about it as you pretend you'd also know that this term is only a mental crutch for those who are not able to understand the real structures. I admit it's very complex. But if you have no clue simply keep those clumsy fingers off the keyboard.


Thank you,
Cal

[Jacomus]

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Meh, getting a bit overly defensive Jamin. Most of the posts (if not all) that talked bad about ASP also mentioned they were talking about BL and rebellion.

As for Avalon, maybe for SP you're considered as ASP, but for the rest of the server you aren't. You're anti-SP, but not ASP. Just as we also call SP alt-clans SP even if they don't have the SP tag on their heads.

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Overly defencive or setting record straight before get drag by the actions of others. SP yes is one big entity on this server, and its rivalry has broken up into different alliances with their own way of playing.

Really Anti-SP just lazy man's way of 2 or more SP's rival alliances. My point is to be little more specific who ur trying to burn, specially when going on about Anti-SP.

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I think you of all people need to get your head out of your ***, and tkae alook around at the people who are on the A-SP side, yeah there mite be 8-12 allys on our server.

but most of the notorious A-SP ones have turned to (genocide, Rebillion, BL, some moved to SP, some clanless, some to gaia, army of darkness )
Really tho, you seriously need to join the A-SP side in vent and other scoures when you do you will learn the same thing as I have.

Spend a yr on a side that can never raid with out loseing members at lest 70% of the time. a side that loses just about every siege. No one has taken oren from BL couse the castle isn't that great. JL gianed aden for about 2 weeks cause no one from SP was on to defend.

A-SP side don't listion to any one, they charge in head first to pvp/sieges with out a thought out game plan, and they don't inform there allys and clanies.

I joined to the A-SP side cause I was griefed alot in C2, but mostly cause I felt I was still a pure thinking gamer, and thought boting bad and cause I was told SP boted to get to 60+, I beleaved it. (I know alot have, and alot havent)

And I know of people from the A-SP side runing bots.

I'm posting facts if you don't like it, then stick it up your ***!

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**** Nohl think ur very bitter player and need go get some air. Thru the coalition we had lot downfalls, and some successes. Now that most of us seen what happens when u dont think and react, we going about our own success in our own way.

If u really take look around the forums, even SP been kind enough to give some advice on how they become so strong. Some alliance such as mine are learning from previous mistakes and trying to go about it best way we can, and others stuck in their old ways. Atleast at this time u have options out there.

Now ur get all bitter and throw tempertantrums then u deserve to be by urself. I really enjoy my clan, alliance shows lot promise and we look out for each other. I'm sure u talk to Bloodlines member might here the same. Don't lose sight of the most important part of the game, fun. I pay my $15 a month and log in to have fun with my friends. I might not be on uberfied side or ranking high on pvp counts, but I do get lot laughs and good cheer with my friends and matters most to me.

Anycase, hope u find ur fun too bud. Even if u want be jerk about it.

[nolerahl]

all them words comeing from someone thats been in one clan ever since he started playing.

when was the last time you sieged, or where in a clan that had a major funtion on the server?

I take offence to your lame and stupid remark about me pking my self for giveing facts, if you can't handle facts then quit. cause I'm not.

jam, I don't like **** head people that go to kill/hurrass low lvl players like "innerdemon" did the other day cause his jack *** friend decied he wanted to interfear with our raid, cause we refused him into the party that was full.

OH one more thing, cal if you fell like your so hot, I tell you what log on and come pvp me for xp loss. I'll try not to kill you in less then 10 secounds max!

then you can port to town and come back and try again. I'll try to make that one last no more then 6 secounds. sound like fun? would be for me.

And no I'm not all high and mighty, but I'm telling you that you need to open your eyes and look at whats before your face.

[admiral_ju00]

That is a very nice reply there Cal. *Sarcasm intended*

By the way, I'm not whining or crying as you mentioned there. I'm not afraid of being Pk'd, griefed, etc. Where you got that Idea is beyond me.

I remember that the Anti-SP Coalition was created to place SP under control of somekind. I guess that has failed miserably as I'm sure that the SP alliance is quivering with fear from the sight of any BL/Rebellion or any other Alliance/clan.

I can't talk about SP simply because they aren't here to counter or defend themselfs.

However, I am saying how Severly dissapointed I am with the former A-SP clans/alliances.

You ever hear the following expression: Enemy of my enemy is My friend?

At this point in time, I'd rather help SP than the former A-SP groups.

[Caleria]

@admiral: Good point.

@Nolerahl: You replied in exactly the same way I predicted. :) I can only underline Jacomus' point... it's a game, not the international epeen competition. If you feel only like half a person without a castle, it's about time to contact someone for serious help. In RL.

Cal

[Jacomus]

jeeze.. second time got moderated on this forum. I mentioned RavenX's alliance too in my exsample. Starting to see why people hate posting here. :eek:

[admiral_ju00]

Yub, last time the Mods PK'd a thread so fast I almost got a whiplash :p

I was like:

I post my reply, click refresh and nothing......

wth? what the....? where?.....

then a few secs later ..................dagnabbit!!!! ><

:p

[Jacomus]

Two points.

Nole going on about botting. Lets get down and dirty with everyone reading this.

I too was in ur position ranting on and on about how people 'get ahead of everyone else" by thoughs means. Really people that provide thous services are here because of Erica's/ALL server's demand. As such it won't go away, and yes it is unfair. As long as these Merchants are making good money then they will take the risks to be here.

Who uses these services? Lot people do including SP and good number of their Rivals. People can point fingers at HK's business but at same time PeaceCountry is not farming raid bosses for fun of it. It's a fact of life of 62+ of Lineage 2, and good news is there are clans that have their own rules and philosophies about it. Some are purely into it, some are mix of legit/nonlegit, and others are purely legit.

Bish and moan all u want, but it's not going away and I think NC would agree since they know who is a player and who is not. Once u get by the notation of purely legit gaming world u can start focusing on playing one that is at hand.

Admiral_ju00, about ur feeling friendly to SP. Bud I don't blame u one bit. Dispite it's size SP disapplined itself to hit warring targets only, exception of Warric's crew. I'm going to lay it out as I know it, but doubt can change ur mind.

SP core members all about high end of the game and pvping their enemies. Its why the bought the game and done what was needed get to point they are. Even with more noblier members such as SDog, core members still there. Lot of us know what it's like when they have enemies that dont flag back. My assumption is they don't need to piss off the general public cause some of us that are dedicated to fight them. Any of them want pvp, go look in catacombs or TOI and get ur fill.

I'm not spokes person of JL or rebellion. What I know is JL is nothing but pvp clan. They don't care get it from SP or random players off the road of Dion. Rebellion is alliance of oldschoolers that been burned by SP for so long that they get their fun in ganking and cracking on SP members. SpaceCadets and Rebelfactory are more good side of alliance. Zaali and his crew have gone so far out their way help the server and got completely burned. After a while no longer the great cause but just terms of natural survival and trying make some achievements within the game.

My brothers and sisters of Avalon don't like to talk much on public forums. They dislike having attention drawn onto them. Just alliance trying learn from our mistakes and avoid unneed problems when they pop up. We fully intend being a contender for some castles of Erica and trying have fun along the way. Probably most u know about us unless make diplomatic relations.

I don't know much about bloodlines or STeU but im sure they got their own stories. Just alliances having fun fighting each other and trying get their small peice of Erica.

If u feel SP is right for u, thats fine. I'm just not big on one big alliance ruling all.

[Caleria]

Amen Jacomus. :) That post wasn't all that down and dirty as I'd have suspected after the first line, but a quite objective and neutral summary. More of that please.

Cal

[The_Doctor]

All I see is two people standing on the side-line complaining. If it wasn't for Rebellion and other clans/alliances SP would be as bored as they were before. And they would be taking it out on whoever they can find. The reason SP is not griefing you now is because they can get the PvP they want from their enemies.

I don't agree with what some Rebellion people are doing. But it is nothing compared to what SP would be doing to you.

[RumPunch]

Well said, Cal.

The crystal ball predictions from the EE are coming true, aren't they? I got some more coming down the pike, but they are scary. Well, scary to some anyhow.

[Caleria]

When can we expect the next EE anyway? :) Looking forward to some more controverisal topics to discuss this time. ^___^

Cal

[righteousOne]

Oren I believe was taken away from BL because no one showed up to pressure aden

[SDogDEMage01]

Wow.

I neglect to visit these boards for a while, come back, and miss out on all this fun stuff.

To Nole: Wow. I have to admit, your comments were a surprise. I've seen quite a few defection attempts from the various A-SP clans in the last several weeks, and all of them have corroborated your own story and disappointment. The thing is, to hear it coming from you, wow, that's quite a kicker.

To Jamin: I think Zen and I called this one. I'm gonna have to look it up.

To Caleria: It still amazes me that when someone makes a generalization about the A-SP side (of which you're a part), you're response is always, ALWAYS, "Well I don't do that! I'm not guilty of that!" When did anyone ever explicitly accuse you? They're accusing your side - not you, and if you were honest about things, you'd realize that your side is just as guilty of anything and everything that SP has done. The ONLY thing that SP actually ISN'T guilty of is hypocrisy.


S-Dog

[Jacomus]

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Wow.

I neglect to visit these boards for a while, come back, and miss out on all this fun stuff.

To Nole: Wow. I have to admit, your comments were a surprise. I've seen quite a few defection attempts from the various A-SP clans in the last several weeks, and all of them have corroborated your own story and disappointment. The thing is, to hear it coming from you, wow, that's quite a kicker.

To Jamin: I think Zen and I called this one. I'm gonna have to look it up.

To Caleria: It still amazes me that when someone makes a generalization about the A-SP side (of which you're a part), you're response is always, ALWAYS, "Well I don't do that! I'm not guilty of that!" When did anyone ever explicitly accuse you? They're accusing your side - not you, and if you were honest about things, you'd realize that your side is just as guilty of anything and everything that SP has done. The ONLY thing that SP actually ISN'T guilty of is hypocrisy.


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Yeah think u have. Probably on Warcry.

"The ONLY thing that SP actually ISN'T guilty of is hypocrisy."

lol not completely, BSOE hypocricy by Bofa and other classic SP pvpers. Zen and urself the statement is true thou :P

[SDogDEMage01]

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lol not completely, BSOE hypocricy by Bofa and other classic SP pvpers. Zen and urself the statement is true thou :P

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LOL,

I was thinking more along the lines of the "We're going to save Erica!" message that was usurped by HK, Defy, and Rebellion. Once I saw them steal that message, I was like, "Man. If Defy tries to use moral authority to win their PR war in a PvP-based MMORPG, it's just gonna backfire on themselves." I knew that, sooner or later, enough people would figure out what they were really like; and that once people did figure it out, that the ensuing disappointment would be absolutely crushing.


S-Dog

[Caleria]

Well that PR campaign DID sort of backfire as history has tought us. ;) And ya I enjoy defending "my side", although I don't think that my opinion and style can be represented by any side, especially not a "side" which includes 80% of the server. I hate to be pushed into the same corner as those who you rightly accuse... I could leave my ally and quit L2 or I could at least defend that much of my side which I know shares most of my ideals. Which is also the reason why I'm with the same clan since C2 (after my break).

And actually I like alt+tabbing from L2 to check the boards and defeat people with the weapons of my choice... "Arrows and fireballs" which my ingame avatar is unable to use. :p Hope you stick around for a while Sdog, for the Erica boards "the more the merrier" always held true. ;)

Cal

[Jacomus]

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"The ONLY thing that SP actually ISN'T guilty of is hypocrisy."

lol not completely, BSOE hypocricy by Bofa and other classic SP pvpers. Zen and urself the statement is true thou :P

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LOL,

I was thinking more along the lines of the "We're going to save Erica!" message that was usurped by HK, Defy, and Rebellion. Once I saw them steal that message, I was like, "Man. If Defy tries to use moral authority to win their PR war in a PvP-based MMORPG, it's just gonna backfire on themselves." I knew that, sooner or later, enough people would figure out what they were really like; and that once people did figure it out, that the ensuing disappointment would be absolutely crushing.


S-Dog

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It was.

Literally my intentions were make Erica better, even if I had to work with some HELLO-holes to do it. I did believe in doing what was morally right, but when my arguements came down to my stubberness as defence. I had to admit I was wrong. In RL I wouldnt budge on my moral statements, but I too have to admit its just a game.

Only recently I feel up to talk about this type of stuff and sportingly have admitted I was defeated by Zen and u.

Back to current developement, Rebellion well more over JusticeLeague is going around ******* alot people off. Just like RedDevils some good and some bad in there, and some of us have soft spot even if our alts get griefed too.

Time will tell I guess, normally does.

[kubes03]

I'm sorta new to the boards but i feel like i can add to this topic.

I have played both roles on this server. The role where sp holds most of the power. And the role of the A-sp that is trying to take that away for various reasons.

Currently i'm in one of the A-sp allances. and yes we are getting shelled by sp. Lvling has basically come to a stand still. Now really what sp is doing is not greifing at all. We are at war with them. That is not griefing. It is war.

Now i would like to state that SP lately hasn't been really that bad lately. They in general have only been griefing/pvping the guilds they are at war with (for the most part). I have been partied with people who arn't A-SP(neutral people) and they only kill the members that are part of the A-SP allance and leave alone anyone in the party who isn't carring the same tag. Atleast this is what i've seen lately.

Now on the other hand maybe cause i'm in that allance and a little bit bios towards them, but people saying that A-SP have been greifing lower lvls i really haven't seen much of that? I know once someone in our guild did it and was heavly repamended for his actions, and because of it, it hasn't happened in a long time. But because of the beating the A-SP's guild have been taking i wouldn't be surprised if they take it out on lower lvl's from time to time. But i just haven't seen it happen and i do play on a pretty regular basis.

I do think why a lot of people have been turning pro SP lately is majorly to the fact that they are pvping with the A-SP and not everyone. I think if the A-SP falls apart we'll see much of the old SP where they just kill everyone and anyone without a care. When you hold all the power you'll use it. Its human nature. When you reach the higher lvl's all that is left is raiding and pvping. Inwhich most of SP's members are at the end game lvl's. So you can't really blame them for disrupting other allance's plans to raid bosses when they want to do them theirselves. The problem is the A-SP guilds arn't strong enough or organized enough to stop SP when they are doing raids and what not. Its amazing how fast SP can organize itself to stop a raid going on. Within 15minutes they can organize a large large force to stop anyone dead in their tracks. A-SP lacks this organization and because of it, their members are becoming more and more fustrated which is leading even more of a lack of organzation.

Is SP bad...No. They are doing what anyone would do at their lvls. Is A-SP bad....no. They are doing nothing more than trying to get the power SP has. You can't blame either side. This is just how the world goes round

[Caleria]

And now let's all hold hands and sing songs about peace and love... Yay for nature. ^^

Thanks for the head up: "But it's in our nature!" must certainly be number three on my list. ;) Although I have to admit that your post certainly has better style. :)

Cal

PS: Welcome to the boards. :)

[Jacomus]

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I'm sorta new to the boards but i feel like i can add to this topic.

I have played both roles on this server. The role where sp holds most of the power. And the role of the A-sp that is trying to take that away for various reasons.

Currently i'm in one of the A-sp allances. and yes we are getting shelled by sp. Lvling has basically come to a stand still. Now really what sp is doing is not greifing at all. We are at war with them. That is not griefing. It is war.

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Right on the money here. New war system makes it that no one can using going red as means to hinder their attacks. Even in C3, ally war against them be suicide for any alliance except thous who could accually hurt them back.

Now of days, each clan/alliance who defies SP is going to have to have a backbone, or u might as well go clanless. Even though it ****** my friends off from time to time, I like new war system cause makes u have to trust and work with ur fellow brothers and sisters. I am sure others would disagree thou.

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Now i would like to state that SP lately hasn't been really that bad lately. They in general have only been griefing/pvping the guilds they are at war with (for the most part). I have been partied with people who arn't A-SP(neutral people) and they only kill the members that are part of the A-SP allance and leave alone anyone in the party who isn't carring the same tag. Atleast this is what i've seen lately.

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Some of SP has gone soft compared to good old C2 days. I am sure u noticed in lot of rivals of SP's posts they all believe that if u take away their food then they won't look so kind.

Might not remember my friend, but during portion of C2 alot of people getting grief constantly by SP used the "Bore them to death" tactic. Where they were rampidly cheating to push ahead and alot of their enemies would rather stick their chins up than give them their much needed PvPlust. Worked to a point, but we all know the great 'works' of SP during that time. Blaming on their "we were bored". U take away thous who war them on daily basis, u will noticed their going need new prey.

Even thou it pains alot of us we know alot of this server has it extremely easy, to point we wonder why we still fight the old cause. Luckly for them we not giving up even with they downfalls of the Coalition.

Disclaimer: Yes Defy/JusticeLeague crew were doing the same thing as SP/TSA was doing during C1-2. They too have same charactoristics as old school TSA did.

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Now on the other hand maybe cause i'm in that allance and a little bit bios towards them, but people saying that A-SP have been greifing lower lvls i really haven't seen much of that? I know once someone in our guild did it and was heavly repamended for his actions, and because of it, it hasn't happened in a long time. But because of the beating the A-SP's guild have been taking i wouldn't be surprised if they take it out on lower lvl's from time to time. But i just haven't seen it happen and i do play on a pretty regular basis.

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Yes, tables have turned. Even Avalon has some their alts griefed by JusticeLeage.

Where C4 takes a new twist, no longer 1 large cluster of players wanting to fight SP. Now we are independant allianes with their philosophy on how to play the game. Rebellion we all know how they are, BLs going after nonessenual castles but got into conflict with STeU. STeU taking Inndril and enjoying their little peice of Erica. Avalon are old rivals of SP and would love nothing more take Playa's prescious away from him. So got options, but don't think ur get into front door so easily since none of these alliances need anymore spies.

In the end, who cares and have fun cause its all we are here to do.

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I do think why a lot of people have been turning pro SP lately is majorly to the fact that they are pvping with the A-SP and not everyone. I think if the A-SP falls apart we'll see much of the old SP where they just kill everyone and anyone without a care. When you hold all the power you'll use it. Its human nature. When you reach the higher lvl's all that is left is raiding and pvping. Inwhich most of SP's members are at the end game lvl's. So you can't really blame them for disrupting other allance's plans to raid bosses when they want to do them theirselves. The problem is the A-SP guilds arn't strong enough or organized enough to stop SP when they are doing raids and what not. Its amazing how fast SP can organize itself to stop a raid going on. Within 15minutes they can organize a large large force to stop anyone dead in their tracks. A-SP lacks this organization and because of it, their members are becoming more and more fustrated which is leading even more of a lack of organzation.

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We will see, SP might be strong but even they have limitations on how they can protect their castles. Yeah, seeing success time after time draws players to it. Guess some of us are stubbern and don't wish take the easy path. Just don't expect favors or kindness for turning to their side, u join SP ur a target just like us.

[kubes03]

I'm not going to become sp. Personaly i preffer playing as one of the underdogs and try to sntach victory out of the jaws of defeat. Makes winning mean a whole lot more. I've found that back in the past when i was in sp's position, back in c1, that once I got a caslte and held all the power, the game lost a lot of its interest cause it in a way felt "like i beat the game." Many of my fellow clannies felt the same way and soon a lot of us acuatlly quit.

Just so you know jacomus i acutally quit playing about a month before the c2 release. So i really don't know how sp was in c2. I do know remember TSA back in c1 though. They were at first a zerg guild....and acutally played the role that BL and rebellion's played toward the SP now. Heck i remember when playa had the first damacus sword on the server and was trying to sell it for 90mil...(which back then 1 mil could equal your entire life savings) TSA almost fell apart when they wared our allance/guild cause we use to hold all the lvls and we were always accused of griefing lower lvl guys. Problem was there was no one at our lvls to fight so if it was a bunch of low lvls trying to stick up to you, you killed them. But it now looks like TSA is getting its chance to be in power and doing a very good job of making sure it stays there that's all.

A-SP could stand up to SP if its organzation gets better. If they can put a big blow to SP and demoralize its members i think it could be very shattering to their power status. I mean we've seen it before when rebellion took aden. As of right now though multiple members quit the allance each day because they can't hack the war. Rebellion and BL members are so fustrated that i wouldn't be surprised to see them crumble. And on that same note....i wouldn't be surprised to see a new allance be born to take on SP because of that. A new mixture of BL, Rebellion and other guilds wanting to partipate. And at that point i think is when SP might have a fight again on its hand.

[Caleria]

I don't think that something totally new will form...in the end it are always the same players that play this game... new players have to play a couple of months before they "mean" anything in politics... and by that time they are mostly integrated into the existing structures.

I've been through many alliances with KoD... strangely enough all those allies basically had the same core clans... because other clans simply didn't fit in. Even tho some people like to throw terms like A-SP... it really isn't that easy. Every little fragment of A-SP has it's own style and preferences... and not seldom those are quite contrary to people "on the same side".

Cal

[Jacomus]

Kubes,

Sorry make it feel like directing it all at ya or accusing u of something. More or less filling in the blanks. Straight up what I know from my experiences on Erica. Kinda take it or leave it to all.

Anycase been a fun thread, catch u all ingame.

[Jacomus]

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I don't think that something totally new will form...in the end it are always the same players that play this game... new players have to play a couple of months before they "mean" anything in politics... and by that time they are mostly integrated into the existing structures.

I've been through many alliances with KoD... strangely enough all those allies basically had the same core clans... because other clans simply didn't fit in. Even tho some people like to throw terms like A-SP... it really isn't that easy. Every little fragment of A-SP has it's own style and preferences... and not seldom those are quite contrary to people "on the same side".

Cal

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Yeah, KOD went out their way make life little more enjoyible during their reign of Giran. Shame we won't see good lord of the Manor for long time.

[Jacomus]

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Just so you know jacomus i acutally quit playing about a month before the c2 release. So i really don't know how sp was in c2. I do know remember TSA back in c1 though. They were at first a zerg guild....and acutally played the role that BL and rebellion's played toward the SP now. Heck i remember when playa had the first damacus sword on the server and was trying to sell it for 90mil...(which back then 1 mil could equal your entire life savings) TSA almost fell apart when they wared our allance/guild cause we use to hold all the lvls and we were always accused of griefing lower lvl guys. Problem was there was no one at our lvls to fight so if it was a bunch of low lvls trying to stick up to you, you killed them. But it now looks like TSA is getting its chance to be in power and doing a very good job of making sure it stays there that's all.

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An orc’s tale or why I hate RedDevils (http://www.thechosenclan.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=228&KW=TSA)

The community noticed ur lack of knowledge of our past. Personally im too lazy type up whole report, so I usually refer people to this post.

Enjoy

[kubes03]

I'm not sure but i read the story and pretty much i'm gonna stick to exactly what i think of TSA. The story i think is exactly what i said with what u quoted me by. I'm not sure if u were around durning those times but that's pretty much how it was. I don't think i'm lacking knowledge at all on the subject of how TSA was back in the day. I mean maybe u were even part of TSA back then and didn't realize it but what i said is pretty much the truth. TSA and DL (dragon lords) were both two big zerg allances. PR/and exdosus were the two guilds that had all the high lvls.

So i really don't think i have a lack of knowledge in this subject. Much to what you may think?

Were you even in TSA back in the day or even play durning C1 at all?

[Jacomus]

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I'm not sure but i read the story and pretty much i'm gonna stick to exactly what i think of TSA. The story i think is exactly what i said with what u quoted me by. I'm not sure if u were around durning those times but that's pretty much how it was. I don't think i'm lacking knowledge at all on the subject of how TSA was back in the day. I mean maybe u were even part of TSA back then and didn't realize it but what i said is pretty much the truth. TSA and DL (dragon lords) were both two big zerg allances. PR/and exdosus were the two guilds that had all the high lvls.

So i really don't think i have a lack of knowledge in this subject. Much to what you may think?

Were you even in TSA back in the day or even play durning C1 at all?

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lol OMeG mentioned soemthing about it and I just pointed u to what I knew.

No I was a newb cleric working hard with my clan CircleOfPower at that time. I was dirt poor but had lot fun with my clannies and pretty much Prelude till C1 my game time revolved around my clan.

Only had one bad experience with DL, they invited public to watch one of the seiges. Dion I think. After it was obvious werent going to get beyond the front door they turned around and started killing all spectors off the field. Only 1% exp loss but I took it wrong way and bad mouthed one of their members the next day. Got into some trouble over that.

Only Invictus and beyond I started caring about political envirment and read last few HK posts on this forums.

Anycase I'll stop boring u all. :p

[kubes03]

Well so far i'm right.....BL had just dropped off the face of the earth.....I see it soon happening where a new allance is built to take on SP.....interested if Rebellion drops out like BL just did?

anyone in rebelion that is willing to explain their sitation out there?

[Caleria]

I doubt that anyone with power to make decisions in server politics would come here to explain his plans. ;) Maybe because most of the "big players" are banned here. :p

Zerg alliances do not work anymore. Not for long anyway. People justknow eachother too well already. Imho it's very unlikely that a fresh and new uber alliance will emerge from nowhere and take over. In L2 power doesn't come from nowhere. Some people tried to buy their way to the top not too long ago but not even that worked for them.

Cal

[nolerahl]

I still remember the first sige in C2 when innadrill come in and playa's clan took it. a group of about 10.

Right after every one that was oppoused to TSA was wiped out, (litterly) RR joined TSA, and TSA became the big zerk/pvp ally. mid later C2 TSA broke, and became another ally which name I forget, then C3 came reddevils. they broke a few mouths later. at about the same time SP was born.

back in C1 there was exodus, and about 2 others.(names I forget) I remember seeing exodus remaining till around late C2 then disbanding.

I was a noob in C1 and in C2 I got greifed alot by SP, and was told how they lvled and so on so I joined forces to fight them,(cause I had been new to online games and thought thats not how you play) for me I joined surpeme, which died then joined Accgladiusem from there I went clanless and then got invited to JL, left them. and been solo since. I've been around long enough to know alot, I've seen alot.

personally I think as it stands, I think SP has it down more right then A-SP does. When I took a break I came back thursty for pvp.. and I still do.


Jamin: plz don't think your ally don't greif lowbies.
I told you about what "innerdemon" did, and is punishable by death!

[Jacomus]

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Jamin: plz don't think your ally don't greif lowbies.
I told you about what "innerdemon" did, and is punishable by death!

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I been Avalon for like month+, who is innerdemon? never heard nor seen him in ally chat or by walk by him.

[Jacomus]

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Well so far i'm right.....BL had just dropped off the face of the earth.....I see it soon happening where a new allance is built to take on SP.....interested if Rebellion drops out like BL just did?

anyone in rebelion that is willing to explain their sitation out there?

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www.l2blah.com (http://www.l2blah.com) and head to Erica section. where most of us chat without most of restrictions of filters.

BL leader had two members banned in relations to new exploit and quit his alliance cause it turned the same way as most alliances do. Died from drama.

[whiterabit]

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I still remember the first sige in C2 when innadrill come in and playa's clan took it. a group of about 10.


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it was abit more than that there was a bunch of clans in the allaince that took innadrill TSA was out zerked for the first time at that siege
but i agree with u
Right after every one that was oppoused to TSA was wiped out
the TOI lock down from TSA didnt help

[kubes03]

Well so far that's two for two.....BL has now went up in smoke.....and Rebellion has now done the same.....Now i say its just a matter of time till someone organizes all the clans back together and form another big allance consiting of BL/Rebellion/New clans together to take on SP.....


Although i'm new to the boards.....Doesn't mean i don't understand how things work in this game.

Post back...i'm curious to know what you think will happen guys?

[Jacomus]

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Well so far that's two for two.....BL has now went up in smoke.....and Rebellion has now done the same.....Now i say its just a matter of time till someone organizes all the clans back together and form another big allance consiting of BL/Rebellion/New clans together to take on SP.....


Although i'm new to the boards.....Doesn't mean i don't understand how things work in this game.

Post back...i'm curious to know what you think will happen guys?

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History is currently in the process of repeating itself. Even with the knowledge of the past, fools will be fools.

[Caleria]

There has been one attempt in two and a half year.

And that didn't even last 2 months. From my experience I doubt that anything drastic will happen anytime soon... maybe with the next chronicle if (that thats a BIG if) the balance gets shifted we will see some action for two weeks until everyone has rerolled the new flavour of the month.

Cal

[SDogDEMage01]

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History is currently in the process of repeating itself. Even with the knowledge of the past, fools will be fools.

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LOL. Jamin, that was a good line.


S-Dog

[Zerberus]

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History is currently in the process of repeating itself. Even with the knowledge of the past, fools will be fools.

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LOL. Jamin, that was a good line.


S-Dog

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.... or maybe just the truth :confused:

[Katastrophe]

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Well so far that's two for two.....BL has now went up in smoke.....and Rebellion has now done the same.....Now i say its just a matter of time till someone organizes all the clans back together and form another big allance consiting of BL/Rebellion/New clans together to take on SP.....


Although i'm new to the boards.....Doesn't mean i don't understand how things work in this game.

Post back...i'm curious to know what you think will happen guys?

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History is currently in the process of repeating itself. Even with the knowledge of the past, fools will be fools.

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Gotta agree with you on this one Jamin. I wonder who's gonna make the next decent alliance and decide to give control of it to HKizzle so he scraps yet an other alliance? I also wonder if people will use history to learn from their mistakes, but I know enough from history to know they haven't yet ;)

[nolerahl]

The answer is simple.

avalon has become the new one.

every one that was in HK's ally (lol) is now joining avalon.
I've already seen rebel factory join them.

spacecadits to.

Poor avalon. (not like a give a **** about them)

And if they give HK controll expext hell once again.

[Jacomus]

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The answer is simple.

avalon has become the new one.

every one that was in HK's ally (lol) is now joining avalon.
I've already seen rebel factory join them.

spacecadits to.

Poor avalon. (not like a give a **** about them)

And if they give HK controll expext hell once again.

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HK quitting, his clan selling their giran clan hall right now.

[Jacomus]

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Poor avalon. (not like a give a **** about them)

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It's simple really, lot people dont give a **** anymore. Neither does top clans, with some exceptions. They want to log in and lvl and SP always an issue. They sacrificed their great name to keep themselves from bordum and quitting.

Yeah u can say Avalon is now rebellion without HK at the reigns. Yeah I know whats left of hardcore antiSP movement is grandfathering themselves. Thats their decission thou.

Anycase stop worrying about what SP or Avalon doing and focus on urselves. Need to strengthen ur ablilites incase stuck between these two giants of pvp.

-learn to hunt raid bosses independantly to generate funds
-good leader can use donations and help better equipe thier members
-build solid foundation and strong lvl of trust and keep ur members a tight group
-learn to have fun and remember in the end just another game
-recruit members that know ur cause and are like mind to it
-have patience, quick and drastic decissions usually lead to disaster

[Caleria]

HK has probably destroyed more alliances than anyone else on this server, more than SP without doubt... unfortunately it always were the aliances he was in. :)

Cal

[righteousOne]

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HK quitting, his clan selling their giran clan hall right now.

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While its a shame to see anyone leave the game lower server population is never a good thing in this case its a plus whenever someone who exploits the game for their purposes leaves we should all be happy.

[Saek]

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HK has probably destroyed more alliances than anyone else on this server, more than SP without doubt... unfortunately it always were the aliances he was in. :)

Cal

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lolz

[kubes03]

So does this mean Avlon is gonna now try to take on sp....or just try to avoid conflit with sp as much as they can so they don't get ganged up on?

Or does avolon already maybe have the power nessary to take on sp?

[JoeInsane]

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So does this mean Avlon is gonna now try to take on sp....or just try to avoid conflit with sp as much as they can so they don't get ganged up on?

Or does avolon already maybe have the power nessary to take on sp?

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Sp's biggest threat is Sp.

[kubes03]

So is sp falling apart or what? I'm curious to know if they still have as many numbers as they had in the past?

Any sp members want to comment on this? Maybe some interal tension going on or what?

[Jacomus]

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So is sp falling apart or what? I'm curious to know if they still have as many numbers as they had in the past?

Any sp members want to comment on this? Maybe some interal tension going on or what?

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lol u worry too much. lvl up, make some friends, choose a side if u like.

Drama #1 killer of alliances, Bloodlines was most recent example. SP got their drama under control and been around for long time. Avalon so far is low to no drama, and as long stays that way it will be around for a long time.

BTW, Joe I believe creator of SP alliance bud. =P

[Caleria]

This is probably the last place Joe would come to to disclose information and hints about internal problems within his alliance. ;)

Information is power... lies are even more powerful.

Cal

[SDogDEMage01]

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So is sp falling apart or what? I'm curious to know if they still have as many numbers as they had in the past?

Any sp members want to comment on this? Maybe some interal tension going on or what?

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Man. This post reminds of an old SNL skit that was aired during the first Gulf War.

There was a fake White House press conference going on, and the reporters were asking inane questions. Each reporter's question was followed by another which was even more stupid. Then, someone who was obviously an Iraqi spy stood up, and asked the White House Press Secretary, "Where are your troops, and can I go count them?"

Server Police is not falling apart. Jamin had it right - the only real threat to SP is SP itself, caused by drama. That's not to say that there's currently drama in SP - just that, with the exception of a few individuals, our opposition is currently so weak and scattered that they are not considered the primary threat to our alliance. It's really more a reflection on how we perceive our opposition rather than what's actually going on within the alliance.


S-Dog

[JoeInsane]

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This is probably the last place Joe would come to to disclose information and hints about internal problems within his alliance. ;)

Information is power... lies are even more powerful.

Cal

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I wasn't disclosing any information, it's a view of our enemy, and right now our enemy is nothing, the only thing that will ever kill sp is sp itself.

[Caleria]

I said you would never talk about internals here... not that you did... but I noticed that some people might have got that impression... probably because they don't know you for that long. :)

Whatever.

Cal

[Lord Chaos]

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whenever someone who exploits the game for their purposes leaves we should all be happy.

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You mean like if 85-90% of Erica left we'd be happy? :D

[Caleria]

Nah... not 90%... but a good 50%... I wouldn't mind. :) Not a great loss imho.

Cal

[AlphaCentori]

Just a comment on "Information is power... lies are even more powerful." Cal,

You are wrong here, lies are precisely the "original mystake".. they never serves you in the long run. SP did not won up to know because they were the best liars.. but precisely because the were the most "honest" (in a twisted way) cheaters: the first to admit it openly thuss leaving this issue behind them.

The greatest weakness of the ASP, A-SP, you name it, was precisely their lack of clarity or lies toward cheats: we accepted cheaters within our side without solving this question first. Thuss, ppl like Jamin or you continued speaking about them being bad cheaters and defending our side as the "legit" one.. here was your error, as such defense while being fully effective prior couldn't handle the ingame.. truth.

What the non-SP need is accurate and honest information, not lies.

[Caleria]

Wow, you pwnd me.

*bows*

Cal

[Jacomus]

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Just a comment on "Information is power... lies are even more powerful." Cal,

You are wrong here, lies are precisely the "original mystake".. they never serves you in the long run. SP did not won up to know because they were the best liars.. but precisely because the were the most "honest" (in a twisted way) cheaters: the first to admit it openly thuss leaving this issue behind them.

The greatest weakness of the ASP, A-SP, you name it, was precisely their lack of clarity or lies toward cheats: we accepted cheaters within our side without solving this question first. Thuss, ppl like Jamin or you continued speaking about them being bad cheaters and defending our side as the "legit" one.. here was your error, as such defense while being fully effective prior couldn't handle the ingame.. truth.

What the non-SP need is accurate and honest information, not lies.

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BS. Playa and company when on "we are legit" propaganda, then started seeking evidence of their enemies doing same thing as they were. Trying draw up drama on NonSP side between legits and nonlegits. It worked to Playa's credit, but only been since Blah's existance that they started being honous about it.

Mistake that the coalition ran into was working with players that were just like SP(false TSA at the time) to fight back. People were drawn in to "do what was right for Erica" left cause they didnt want to be appart of HK or others. Even I couldnt defend nor denie their cheating among the debates, tried to drop the issue due fact both sides did it.

Purchasing adena, leeching, bought accounts, walker trains, and backstreet deals with farmers is incredibly imbedded into Erica. As long as people have fun and make money on the side, no one seems to care except a few.

Hows that for being honous for Non-SP side?

[SDogDEMage01]

This thread needs some cowbell - I need more cowbell.

S-Dog

[Esmera]

S-Dog, I saw someone with you nick on Lionna, was it you or somoene who took your nick?

[Jute]

Yesterday, I made a brief run to the race track to turn over some borrowed equipement (naked Swordsinger now) and saw a whole lot of names I recognize from the board. Sunday there was some buffer that looked like she was Mr. Dog's since the name implied that.

[SDogDEMage01]

LOL. Another S-Dog out there? On Lionna?

Nah dude - it ain't me. I just hope they didn't choose a gawd awful name for their toon like "SDogDEMage01." :confused: Aw WHAT was I thinking when I made up that name? I must have had too much cowbell on my brain.

But, as for Erica, yeah - sometimes I park my buffers at the Monster Derby for extended periods of time. 99% of the time, I don't even look at those two toons.


S-Dog

[Esmera]

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LOL. Another S-Dog out there? On Lionna?

Nah dude - it ain't me. I just hope they didn't choose a gawd awful name for their toon like "SDogDEMage01."

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Actually, I think the name was SDogDEMage02, but I'm not sure. It was a lowbie DE hunting alone around DE village.

That was a couple weeks ago.

But then this week-end in Dion I heard that that char was a PKer. So obviously, I thought about you and SP.

[SDogDEMage01]

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Actually, I think the name was SDogDEMage02, but I'm not sure. It was a lowbie DE hunting alone around DE village.

That was a couple weeks ago.

But then this week-end in Dion I heard that that char was a PKer. So obviously, I thought about you and SP.

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LOL. I wonder if someone from Delta House rolled an alt and chose that name.

But no dude - it isn't me. All my toons are on Erica, and 90% of my kills are two-way war tags.


S-Dog

[AlphaCentori]

Jamin,

I urge you to re-read so of Op-hus posts, the one where you were still part of the neutral:

At these times, you may find some of my posts (back then i was in BlackTiger - check here*) and some of my former allies (Avalon, Mae****, Myrmidion) confronting SP's own cheats. You will find their most "visible" representatives, openly admitting using third parties.. lol one of them was banned for posting on Orp-hus a screen of him, pmed by a GM checking if he was a human (the question was "how much 11+2 does equal?) .. while being on Walking!! That was both illarious and terribly disappointing to see NC's anti -bot policy in action. Geez, this was through their posts that I learned not only the name of the programm, the extent of the walking machine use, but also how to better spot them, ect.. :/

At this time, playa was not as present on the boards, as he is now: he only started to post and lock like he plays (ie: in an industrial way) after he became a moderator ( see here**). In fact most of SP's propaganda was done through other ppl, with one of their best propaganda machine being Axantucar's posts on [censored]. Their tactic at this time was to try to split us up through fear: "yes we bot, yes we don't care and though you can't fight us."

They only started to change their argumentations after that we, in return to their cheat "outting", decided to not pvp them since we couldn't compete as legit clans/alliances (ie: after Mae**** disband): they first got bored and lost tons of their members. The remains started to grief the server on sight.. then with the sudden "uprise" of the counterattack (mainly after the Mob train in town and loot of player shops) they started to use the "you're botters too" tactic to divided us: which worked because we never clealy settled this issue within our ranks at that time. We were then doomed to fall... note also that it was precisely then that I nearly stopped to attack them on the cheat issue because I felt no point to use the legit defense while we were doing the same actively (cheating) or inactively (accepting playing with cheaters).

Mind you, I still condemn every form of cheats and still level and fight fully the legit way.. I just stopped attacking SP on the "legit/non-legit" issue because it has become less efficient: not that we cheat like them, after all most of our side is still legit while I have serious doubt with them.. but the too many "exeptions, variations and explanations" required are too complex to be used.

Last about SP being more "friendly" now and fair toward the rest of the server: remember that they have litteraly the economic "means" to be friendly now.. It's easy to leave non-aggressive clan/players alone when you control every key resources in game. The most despresive here is a player like Katastrophe, saying he would rather join them: some do indeed content themselves with the dust that the "powerful" allow them to feed on..

If anything, remember their castle Tax rate god dam it!



* www.[censored].com/forum/index.php?showtopic=101655&view=findpost&p=1181372
** www.[censored].com/forum/index.php?showtopic=128823&view=findpost&p=1550453
censored is L2orph_us

[Jacomus]

Most of my battles were on this forum and Warcry. I saw some of Orph us posts, but really it was equivelent to blah now of days.

If that was the case would explain few things for me. I only remember playa's posts on this forum targetting ASP side for cheating while acting like clean as wind driven snow.

Really does it matter anymore? Other than trying to increase the accuracy of Erica's history. Then again who is recording all of this? Have players learn from the past? Sorry be so pestimistic but this server getting dreadfully boring being stuck in same situation for last few Chronicals. Thats just me thou. =P

[JoeInsane]

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Most of my battles were on this forum and Warcry. I saw some of Orph us posts, but really it was equivelent to blah now of days.

If that was the case would explain few things for me. I only remember playa's posts on this forum targetting ASP side for cheating while acting like clean as wind driven snow.

Really does it matter anymore? Other than trying to increase the accuracy of Erica's history. Then again who is recording all of this? Have players learn from the past? Sorry be so pestimistic but this server getting dreadfully boring being stuck in same situation for last few Chronicals. Thats just me thou. =P

[/ QUOTE ]

You all need to get facts straight I was the one that forced TSA to open up that they cheat, as well as kept an open policy to tell everyone that sp openly cheats and doesn't give a flying ****.

Playa wasn't even a big influence on the forum at the time.

[Caleria]

Interesting... it really takes something to come here, claim that your own people cheat and don't care and still walk out upright looking like the morally better person. No idea how you do that but ou should work on your politician career instead of playing L2, we could use some more with that talent. :p

Well I know who I respect as L2 players on this server. That's only a couple hand-full of couple, but at least I'm pretty sure that I got to know them over the last two years. :)

Cal

Alpha: Please stop linking to orph, that was always a good way to get threads locked in the past... would be a shame, no?

[AlphaCentori]

Jamin,

Does it really matter?

Well, you answered to your own question by being an Avalon member: yes, history obviously does matter to you.. and to many other players judging how we are doing today: don't be so pessimistic, I've witness far more depressive situations on Erica. :)

After openly admitting cheating, SP used the "morally better person" excuse to their benefit because most of their opposition (ie: the rest of the server and most importantly the neutral clans and alliances who were their primary propaganda targets and still are nowadays) responded to Jam's question the other way : "no, history doesn't matter".

Indeed, "history" doesn't matter when you are the kind of person who doesn't care to be manipulated and in that regard, you can read Katastrophe's post above as a perfect example of such behaviour. For those who do not appreciate manipulation, then you'd better keep a track of events.

As Cal said: information is a tremendous power.

[Phyrra]

The most supported group during the peak of the turnover was BBH. Unfortunately for BBH thier leaders could not realize or could not use that power to its fullest. The very thing that created BBH made it vulnrable and thus had to rely on inter alliance support in order to survive.

As for cheating... the arguement has lived past its time. There are legit players everywhere, and there are non-legit players. The moral benefits to SP at the moment was the rash of "Anti SP" people killing anyone remotely associated with SP- while SP itself were now focused on killing a major alliance(s) that decided to stand up against it. Now that SP had something better to do there was no value in greiving people into submission. Tax rates have also lived past its day of arguement. Both sides have had maxed taxes for long periods of time.

BBH had a good thing going and it was great while it lasted. Too many factors messed that up.

[Jacomus]

Can't help it Alpha. Whats the purpose of knowing the events that lead up till today, when same mistakes repeat themselves. Maybe ur more optimistic which is fine, im just bored of momentary struggles.

Anycase I'm going sit ride this next bout out. I wish Avalon luck.

[SDogDEMage01]

For what it's worth, I think the thing that most damaged anti-SP was that, once they joined forces with Defy and JL, I knew that the hypocricy and the contradictions within their own side would eventually cause mass disillusionment. It was just a matter of time. It was SP's job to just apply pressure in-game, and wage a forum propaganda war to discredit any moral authority JL and Defy tried to claim. Eventually, Defy and JL would show their true colors, and drama would finish off the A-SP cause. SP just had to keep killing and ranting to try to spark that drama.

Personally, I immensely enjoyed debating with Jamin about the whole SP/Anti-SP thing when it first started. It was actually a lot of fun debating with people who sincerely believed in their cause. (Even if their cause meant killing me. Whatever. It's a game.) But the thing is, I suspected that eventually, with Jamin being the way he is, that he'd be far more upset by the behavior of his allies than by getting killed by SP. Losing a few percentage is tolerable - realizing that your crusade has been corrupted by Defy and JL is a lot worse. I also suspected that Jamin was not alone in his thinking.

Once I saw divisions within the anti-SP alliances which suggested that elitism was now a more powerful influence within A-SP than unity, I knew they were done. There's a great phrase which could apply to what happened, "You have no idea how much we want to look up to you... But you also have no idea how much you look down on us."

Erica's a lot more boring these days.


S-Dog

[Jacomus]

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Once I saw divisions within the anti-SP alliances which suggested that elitism was now a more powerful influence within A-SP than unity, I knew they were done. There's a great phrase which could apply to what happened, "You have no idea how much we want to look up to you... But you also have no idea how much you look down on us."

Erica's a lot more boring these days.


S-Dog

[/ QUOTE ]

**** SDog u need to win a reward.

[Caleria]

How tragic to see a player who owns a brain and actually knows how to use it wasted on SP. ;)

Cal

[Lord Chaos]

Amen to that..and in the end, I'd rather have a botting nice guy, than I'd want a legit [censored].

In our Salvation Alliance and Bound By Honor, this was constantly an issue. People should have taken a chill pill and left them alone and enjoy them for the good people they are, then everything benefits eachother instead of crappy infighting all the time.

[Phyrra]

[ QUOTE ]
Amen to that..and in the end, I'd rather have a botting nice guy, than I'd want a legit [censored].


[/ QUOTE ]

Many moons I have awaited for this comment. Thank you.

[Jacomus]

[ QUOTE ]
Amen to that..and in the end, I'd rather have a botting nice guy, than I'd want a legit [censored].

In our Salvation Alliance and Bound By Honor, this was constantly an issue. People should have taken a chill pill and left them alone and enjoy them for the good people they are, then everything benefits eachother instead of crappy infighting all the time.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well there in lies the great flaw, u have 2 different philosophies in the same clan/alliance. Divide them and go with the ones u agree with, then drama problem is solved. Try to retain them and hope they get along...well we know how that goes.

[ChuckHoboDUH]

its cdogdemage02 and he will pwn you all!

[SDogDEMage01]

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its cdogdemage02 and he will pwn you all!

[/ QUOTE ]

LMAO!

Chuck! Somebody told me that there was a PK'ing SH on Lionna that was named cdogdemage02! LOL! Is it you? :D Aw too funny Chuck.


S-Dog

[ChuckHoboDUH]

i only pk the french


and people who are dumb and attack my raidboss get pked we rez them to be nice and then they ask for the scroll it droped?

thats how i get pks

people think o its a pk bc i died.

its only a pk if you go red all else is pvp i wish people will freaking know the diffence and not wine

[SDogDEMage01]

[ QUOTE ]
i only pk the french
and people who are dumb and attack my raidboss get pked we rez them to be nice and then they ask for the scroll it droped?

thats how i get pks

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL.

Good to see you're still in the game Chuck. And yeah, if they mess with your raid - kill 'em all. ;)


S-Dog

[ChuckHoboDUH]

pm me your msn or what ever you use to chat at work sdog i got to talk to you about my CMSA licenes or something like that and show you some cool videos.