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Andothe
03-13-2006, 12:49 PM
This is really a question for the more experienced people, preferrably a GM.

Last night, 3 alliances pvp Redguards, a well known farmer clan. All this took place in Lilith's room and was in anticipation with killing the boss. After we wiped them, we attempted lilith. Some things seemed to be suddenly wierd:

1. I am a bishop with +4 con, which buffed leaves me about 4500 hp. I cannot run from the start of DN to lilith without crowd controlling/ healing. How is it that 13 sh's can get there without healer support?
2. My alliance alone has killed lilith dozens of times. Last night, we had over 3 alliances of nukers there, and she would not die. I have only seen the helpers respawn one time the whole time I have ever done lilith. With 24+ nukers, this shouldn't have been the case. When we all watched RG kill the boss 15 mins later, they wiped it with 13 nukers.
3. As usual, there were absolutely no GM's listed when this was occurring. This is common when RG raids.
4. Finally, my whole alliance as well as another bigger alliance has reported these farmer toons for using a terrain exploit south of giran to pull the raid boss up on a mountain that can only be climbed through a lag spot. Yet, they still raid.

What is going on here that the gm's have not investigated these circumstances. The whole community of hindemith knows for sure that Redguards gives all their items to a dwarf named kiffy. And she sells her wares to all players at high prices. Anyone with common sense knows all the adena she has made, there is a cap. So where does it all go gm's?

In the end, they somehow manage to outamage the 3 alliances total dmg strength with very few nukers. On top of that , they pk'ed us as we were picking up the pieces from lilith's respawn, and on the same mp pool, were able to do a boss we had buffed.

Be constructive with your comments and hopefullly we will get a response from one of the "ultimate"gm's.

Red8
03-13-2006, 01:03 PM
Additionally, please check the shout chat logs over the last three weeks or so. I intentionally baited Kiffy into saying exactly what she does with the adena she makes. Her response was that she sells the adena online and that it's not my fault i don't have a farmer clan to sell adena.

Seriously, with known farmers blatantly describing how they violate the EULA, something needs to be done. My alliance scheduled raids on February 27th. Every raid boss we had scheduled was taken down by RedGuards. Kiffy has more gear than any regular player on Lineage 2 - Hindemith server: three sets of complete S grade armor, more than 6 S grade weapons, and hundreds of a grade items. By allowing her to continually use a "bot" program to do raid bosses with, she is undermining the economy. More and more people are forced to do one of two things: 1) purchase adena through online vendors like Kiffy's or 2) quit Lineage 2.

While 3 or 4 lost accounts per month may seem insignificant in terms of resources brought in through NC Soft's monthly subscription fees, it does accumulate. I know of at least 25 players who have quit because they did not want to purchase adena online. Thats $375.00 per month and $4500.00 per year if those players only had one account. Most of them had at least two accounts, some as many as four. I have lost a lot of good friends because of this, and am close to leaving Lineage for this reason also.

While I understand there are limitations, and that you do not wish to ban players who are legit, I ask some of your GM staff to contact me in game, and we will go "bot-hunting" as we say on this server. I will guarantee that I can show any GM who gets on a regular character at least 100 botted players within an hour.

And we won't have to travel very far to do so. They are everywhere. They fill up the catacombs, they venture out into places a lot of players don't go, and they go to high-level places like ToI and Lair of Antharas. And we won't even get into Dark Elven Village, which is no longer run by dark elves, but rather by dwarf bots. Last time I was in that village, there were at least 35 dwarves there. All of them with names like "saodung100395" and "MariahCarey."

Please do something about this problem.

bekkar
03-13-2006, 01:12 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Additionally, please check the shout chat logs over the last three weeks or so. I intentionally baited Kiffy into saying exactly what she does with the adena she makes. Her response was that she sells the adena online and that it's not my fault i don't have a farmer clan to sell adena.

[/ QUOTE ] Unfortunately, even a direct admission of guilt does not appear to be sufficient for NC to take any restrictive action. You can report her to be investigated, of course, but that's about it.

SilverWolfEcho
03-13-2006, 02:55 PM
The nukers get there by following menshin. He trains the mobs to lilith gk. Once he ports in, the mobs are no longer aggro until they resume their respective places.

Drekk
03-13-2006, 03:01 PM
they will probobly tell you to do like they tell everyone, send this to support, and submit a ticket.

Oranj2
03-13-2006, 03:04 PM
the adena limit is 2.150 billion but you can put that in wh and freight and inventory. if you have a SS of kiffy admitting to selling adena, send it in.

Mistryl
03-13-2006, 03:37 PM
Please see this thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=442966) about the forum policy on the discussion of EULA violations.

Please remember to send any specific reports of suspected wrongdoing to the Support Team at http://support.lineage2.com.

Thank you!