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Luke, I have a question for you.
Is Hate Aura and Agression affected by the use of Empower and Spiritshots?
Everyone keeps telling me that sps does not get used when using either of those skills because they are "Active Skills", however I use bbsps when I cast either of them, and have to re use the shot after each one.
Please answer this for me, as you are one of the highest level tanks that I know.
ducceus
03-15-2006, 11:33 PM
UHmm, no. Hate is not a magic skill. and when you got silence you still can hate mobs. I think SpS and empower only affect on magic skills
Stanimir
03-16-2006, 12:33 AM
Many skills use sps w/o any benfit. Glitch or not. I haven't tried recetly but you can use sps w/ spoil even silenced.
But why can't I use hate when silenced if it is an active skill?
And why does it use an sps?
It doesn't seem to make sense to me. In addition, Empower does seem to help my ability to hold aggro from mobs that are pink and red. Especially when I am in a group with toons 5 or more levels higher than I am.
Stanimir
03-16-2006, 02:13 AM
Why uses sps: "Glitch or not" (Read it again)...
It's an active skill however it's power is not magic but physical (like power strike, MB, TSS, etc). (There are magic based active skills and non-magic. i.e physical. Phys. can be used when silenced)
>>In addition, Empower does seem to help my ability to hold aggro from mobs that are pink and red.
Well, many believe emp. helps spoil but it doesn't. (well If you use hex; it does help to hold aggro). I am yet to see a skill boosted by emp. that doesn't use SB to learn.
"Empower does seem...": are you sure you have tested w/&w/o emp only or you figure other buffs (incl guidance). Btw, color of the mobs is not so significant for melee (if you exclude accuracy/evasion) in case you dont change grade and use active skills (some toggling skills like VS make difference though); esp at high lvls. Most of the melee formulae don't figure in the lvl difference.
For the record (or testing):
Try hate w/ bare hands and weapon: it's the same.
Try spoil w/ bare hands and weapon: it's the same.
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Edit: In a normal case scenario hex is enough to hold aggro enough (in case you are in a melee grp).
SithMaster
03-16-2006, 02:29 AM
Tanking post addressed to me...I would take it as a compliment but you probably just assumed Im a spammer and would answer quick :P
Useless. SpS are 100$ useless to hate/hate aura. You can hate when silenced...unless this was recently edited in C4. I have yet to be silenced this chronicle, mobs just don't land it much...especially when I tend to stun during it because it looks like cancel.
I tank frequently for leveling pets using hate. The amout of aggro is no different, the same number of casts/damage are needed to maintain/lose aggro. I do believe that acumen does increase the reuse speed however.
Again, things change every chronicle and even patch, but you asked and thats my personal experience/opinion on the matter.
Stanimir
03-16-2006, 02:43 AM
>>I do believe that acumen does increase the reuse speed however.
Are you sure it's not 'haste' (attack speed; haven't played any tank class for so long). Also can you just try w/ holding a dagger (default of the cheapest NG one will do).
SithMaster
03-16-2006, 02:52 AM
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>>I do believe that acumen does increase the reuse speed however.
Are you sure it's not 'haste' (attack speed; haven't played any tank class for so long). Also can you just try w/ holding a dagger (default of the cheapest NG one will do).
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I often use no weapon while lvling my pets to avoid accidental one hits. The change appears to be below detectable limits if at all :p
Hutch
03-16-2006, 03:20 AM
I played my TK the other day with spirit shots on auto (we didnt have a healer.. so self heals and healing cubic ftw!), and they didnt get used when I hated.. either hate aura or targeted hate. Ive never noticed them being used before either.
TY for ur posts luke. And everyone else.
Toree
03-16-2006, 07:40 AM
So many people named Luke. I had no idea :p
ChlorineL2
03-16-2006, 08:01 AM
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Tanking post addressed to me...I would take it as a compliment but you probably just assumed Im a spammer and would answer quick :P
Useless. SpS are 100$ useless to hate/hate aura. You can hate when silenced...unless this was recently edited in C4. I have yet to be silenced this chronicle, mobs just don't land it much...especially when I tend to stun during it because it looks like cancel.
I tank frequently for leveling pets using hate. The amout of aggro is no different, the same number of casts/damage are needed to maintain/lose aggro. I do believe that acumen does increase the reuse speed however.
Again, things change every chronicle and even patch, but you asked and thats my personal experience/opinion on the matter.
[/ QUOTE ]hahahahahahahahaa
you got a tank to 7x and you think acumen affects hates
omg >< reroll plz
oh and whoever said you use sps on spoil you're high =D turn on auto and spoil something see it if uses them up, duhhhhhhhhhh
come to think of it I don't think dwarfs even have a "magic" skill so other than to "load" a spirit shot on their weapon I don't think they can even use them. - ah wait warsmiths can summon that probably uses spirit shots to cast it
and for the last time, empower/acumen does NOT affect ANY active skill!!!! including spoil and hate! **** what's so hard to understand!
Stanimir
03-16-2006, 08:35 AM
another dwarf skill: bandage
ChlorineL2
03-16-2006, 10:37 AM
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another dwarf skill: bandage
[/ QUOTE ]It's an active skill, or was in c3 - the one the paladin has is magic.
Stanimir
03-16-2006, 10:56 AM
yes, paladin has a few magic skills...
i just mean that bandage uses sps (no idea why)
ChlorineL2
03-16-2006, 10:57 AM
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yes, paladin has a few magic skills...
i just mean that bandage uses sps (no idea why)
[/ QUOTE ]try it again because I'm sure it's an active skill affected by attack speed and no spirit shots will be used, ill try it later on my bh
Bandage = magic (Paladin skill)
Cure bleeding = skill (dwarf skill) (Not magic)
SilverWolfEcho
03-16-2006, 12:24 PM
My dwarves both have the magic skill:
Summon SilverWolfEcho: summon that takes 0xp, 0sp, and buffs, heals, and recharges for time periods of up to several hours.
It's really a great skill.
Elrohir
03-16-2006, 12:27 PM
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My dwarves both have the magic skill:
Summon SilverWolfEcho: summon that takes 0xp, 0sp, and buffs, heals, and recharges for time periods of up to several hours.
It's really a great skill.
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If I kill one of those dorfs, can I steal it's power?
SilverWolfEcho
03-16-2006, 12:29 PM
Upon death by pk or train, my dwarves have another magic skill that is used automatically.
It is called:
Summon NightsDragon: summons a sorceror who then takes (or attempts to take) 4% of xp of the opposing factions.
<3 u!
Elrohir
03-16-2006, 12:38 PM
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Upon death by pk or train, my dwarves have another magic skill that is used automatically.
It is called:
Summon NightsDragon: summons a sorceror who then takes (or attempts to take) 4% of xp of the opposing factions.
<3 u!
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Hmmm. That doesn't sound nearly as fun as a SWE PK... :(
SilverWolfEcho
03-16-2006, 12:43 PM
Probably not for you..
SithMaster
03-16-2006, 04:36 PM
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you got a tank to 7x and you think acumen affects hates
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Go test the cycle time on hate aura ^^
ducceus
03-16-2006, 08:39 PM
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you got a tank to 7x and you think acumen affects hates
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Go test the cycle time on hate aura ^^
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i do think haste 2 affect hate too
SilverWolfEcho
03-16-2006, 08:41 PM
I've also heard that Haste2 affects casting time (or maybe it was the reuse timer on the caster skills.)
I've never noticed a difference, but I treat it sorta like bh/ws asking for emp3 to spoil. If they ask for it, they get it ^^
At the very least, it helps you pick stuff up faster :P
SithMaster
03-16-2006, 11:58 PM
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you got a tank to 7x and you think acumen affects hates
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Go test the cycle time on hate aura ^^
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i do think haste 2 affect hate too
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Hmm I've only tested buffed vs unbuffed...and I always take acu because I have so many heal skills...TY Ducc I will test this :P
Stanimir
03-17-2006, 12:01 AM
>>Summon SilverWolfEcho: summon that takes 0xp, 0sp, and buffs, heals, and recharges for time periods of up to several hours.
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But it costs real money/resources! (Monthly fee, increased inet traffic (you are not directly affected), server load, etc)
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The best of the skill: available at lvl1!
SithMaster
03-17-2006, 12:08 AM
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>>Summon SilverWolfEcho: summon that takes 0xp, 0sp, and buffs, heals, and recharges for time periods of up to several hours.
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Also occassionally buffs when it's supposed to heal o.o
Stanimir
03-17-2006, 12:23 AM
sleepy her...
SilverWolfEcho
03-17-2006, 11:54 AM
DEATH WHISPER HEAL FTW!
True to it's name, it occasionally causes death.
It's not because I'm sleepy.. I've usually just buffed, and didn't change my hotbar back to my main hotbar, and dw is in the same place as greater heal.. :(
SithMaster
03-17-2006, 02:31 PM
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DEATH WHISPER HEAL FTW!
True to it's name, it occasionally causes death.
It's not because I'm sleepy.. I've usually just buffed, and didn't change my hotbar back to my main hotbar, and dw is in the same place as greater heal.. :(
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No worries...anything you wanna give me is just fine baby :p
Badger49
03-17-2006, 07:59 PM
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and dw is in the same place as greater heal.. :(
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Better than it being zerk, eh? ;)
"Heal! HEAL FOR THE LOVE OF HP!"
*zerk*
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Hah! :D
Namárië
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