Unite or Die

[righteousOne]

I am posting this post because first I am sick of ASP guys crying over why their side fell apart over and over and the lack of anyone standing up to SP at seiges not warring or doing anything while Avalon fight SP alone. I also want to say that I think Avalon should get a lot of credit for taking on this fight without much support from they other supposed ASP guys and those left over crying about BBH's fall, (take into account I am a member of SP praising Avalon so they must be doing something right!)

Honestly guys you can talk all day about should haves could haves and would haves but its pointless you you have any hopes of stopping serverPoilce you need to come together and solely focus on your fight agaisnt SP and nothing else don't get caught up in other issues they only distract you. It would be nice to have castle seiges again and not those meaningless fights at Dion and Oren you all know that SP could walk in and take all the castles from you whenever they want so don't think they are any accomplishments that you beat another clan for it when everyone else is ignoring you alltogether. As much as I didn't like HK and his tactics I at least had fun fighting for castles then. Lately its become a stand around do nothing half the castles seiges last week were cancelled because no one attacked us. Now I know Avalon was reorganizing so that can explain things however SP is only going to wait so long before we just say to hell with it and take all the other castles again jump taxes to 25% and start our old griefing ways again.

The smaller allainces such as [Censored],DS, ect ect ect have had it pretty easy lately with avalon clans in war with SP it gives us targets togo after there is no need to resort to griefing to get our pvp desire filled but eventually thats going to wear out as there are less and less avalon fighting us every week and pretty soon SP will go back to nonstop griefing anyone anytime anywhere.

So pick how you want it but realize that it will come in one of three ways:
1. Unite all of ASP and fight SP at seiges and wars
2. Stay divided and once the remaining ASP mostly (avalon) fails or quits you will become our next unrestricted targets and will be griefed to the point of extinction on the server.
3. Run and quit now!

Please realize I didn't post this to brag or pat my fellow SP on the back I did it to flatly point out whats inevitable to come and to warn everyone to do something now or die off. And lastly I posted this for selfish reasons for as nice as it is to be on top the declining copetition is staling the thrill of success, a hard fought victory is more thrilling then a fight where the enemy jsut doesn't show up.

RO

[Jacomus]

Wow... I feel special that got an arguing post to my own.

Well sticking to "stay true to oneself". Alliances should grow the right way and keeping like minded players together. There should not be just 1-3 alliances against SP, need more variety with their own agendas to grow stronger. They should not follow the old pattern and create a drama bound alliance.

SP members don't cry, if other alliances want a peice of Erica they are going to fight u. Give them time =P

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RO,

U just joined ur new alliance and part of, as Joe puts it, a Well oiled machine. SP has had their sh#$ together for quite a long time.

Your enemies have been blindly fighting SP without solving some more basic problems. Well after many failures, the dicussions such as my post are ment to help keep current and future alliances strong and sound. Just as false TSA clans started, it takes time to get these problems ironed out. Yeah its quiet today, but tomorrow it wont be.

If SP wants to help stir up opinions against them, that's ur leaders' decission. Just be realistic, our side of the fence has a lot catching up to do.

[righteousOne]

If you really believe the other allainces are going to survive once Avalon falls you are mistaken. Avalon is keeping SP's focus now and that is why the rest of you can level and hunt without being trained and griefed every day. I have seen the cycle happen again and again trust me I know what I am talking about I am not recently joined to anything I have been where I have been for a long time.
Once avalon falls so will everyone else! "Unite or Die!" its that simple.

[C0NAN]

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If you really believe the other allainces are going to survive once Avalon falls you are mistaken. Avalon is keeping SP's focus now and that is why the rest of you can level and hunt without being trained and griefed every day. I have seen the cycle happen again and again trust me I know what I am talking about I am not recently joined to anything I have been where I have been for a long time.
Once avalon falls so will everyone else! "Unite or Die!" its that simple.

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LOL
Meat Puppets and Army of Darkness will be around long after SP dies from getting bored.
Avalon, is basicly a reformed Rebellion.
The problem is, all the clans start their own thing then it dies out.
AoD and All for One has been around for a long time, the other clans just want to be in controll and say they are in the lead to fight SP. which is some guy who just got on the game 2 months ago lvled his nuker up and said I'm the man now. Fine let them have it. we can't unite when everyone wants to be leader.

but like i said, SP will die out before AoD will.

[tha_don]

the main problem lies within people who are just too stuck up to respect each other. the guys wh were in rebellion are a pretty **** solid core group, with all the griefers now weened out (most of which I think were SP spies deliberately trying to get rebellion a bad name). People are still getting to know each other and things will take time.

The problem with the server is lack of decent high level players who will fight alongside each other against SP, most of the 65+ players are with SP, even the Peace alliance seem to be with them nowadays.

[Jacomus]

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the main problem lies within people who are just too stuck up to respect each other. the guys wh were in rebellion are a pretty **** solid core group, with all the griefers now weened out (most of which I think were SP spies deliberately trying to get rebellion a bad name). People are still getting to know each other and things will take time.

The problem with the server is lack of decent high level players who will fight alongside each other against SP, most of the 65+ players are with SP, even the Peace alliance seem to be with them nowadays.

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I believe that too many times players have forfeited themselves to fight this, what i used to call, noble cause and ended up with bad results. This is pretty much the only server that acts 2 sided, and we are the ones with the least population.

SP isn't going anywhere, they want to be jerks again to provoke the server thats their own thing. Just I am tired of the same mold that the opposition side keeps playing out. I think diversity of personalities or different principles of clans/alliances with bring a healthy balance back to Erica. I mean why does it need to be 1-2 alliances fighting SP when could be 4-7+ alliances?

Anycase, Avalon is full of good players who know how to take care of themselves. I wish I could fight within them but I can't. I'm going to promote these ideas that I think will help Erica in the long haul, and not ur short term fun factor of killing lowbie targets. Ur side done a great job screwing ur enemies, now we must learn from thous mistakes. Doesn't happen over night.

[Caleria]

RO, what the heck are you doing in SP?

Step up and do some friggin PVP and quit the whining, noob! You don't want fair competition, you want to win easy and still feel good about it on our expense. Your post is so false to the core it makes me mad.

Leave SP, take everyone with you who thinks like you and fight for your ideals. Stop hiding behind strong friends and supporting them in their campaign to keep all opposition (except cheaters) off the server by all means and at all costs. You want a server with competition? Stand up for it.

Cal

[JoeInsane]

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If you really believe the other allainces are going to survive once Avalon falls you are mistaken. Avalon is keeping SP's focus now and that is why the rest of you can level and hunt without being trained and griefed every day. I have seen the cycle happen again and again trust me I know what I am talking about I am not recently joined to anything I have been where I have been for a long time.
Once avalon falls so will everyone else! "Unite or Die!" its that simple.

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LOL
Meat Puppets and Army of Darkness will be around long after SP dies from getting bored.
Avalon, is basicly a reformed Rebellion.
The problem is, all the clans start their own thing then it dies out.
AoD and All for One has been around for a long time, the other clans just want to be in controll and say they are in the lead to fight SP. which is some guy who just got on the game 2 months ago lvled his nuker up and said I'm the man now. Fine let them have it. we can't unite when everyone wants to be leader.

but like i said, SP will die out before AoD will.

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Sp won't day before Aod actually we are expanding to other games, such as wow, bf2, CS source, CS , and other games. So keep dreaming if you are waiting for sp to die.

[righteousOne]

I have been doing a fair share of pvping Cal but its not worth bragging about when, cause it usually results in me being two shotted by enemies over and over lol. Being a lowbie sub is a little tough in war but at least on my sub 20 lvs lower then my paladin I still have a chance to compete man ncsoft hates tanks especially paladins lol. But when I get high enough level on my sub and start killing these guys back it will be all the sweeter.

[SDogDEMage01]

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I have been doing a fair share of pvping Cal but its not worth bragging about when, cause it usually results in me being two shotted by enemies over and over lol.

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Although your arguments may be sound, it might be more effective if someone whose PvP score is (at the very least) well into the triple-digits makes them.


S-Dog

[JinAkanishi]

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I have been doing a fair share of pvping Cal but its not worth bragging about when, cause it usually results in me being two shotted by enemies over and over lol.

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Although your arguments may be sound, it might be more effective if someone whose PvP score is (at the very least) well into the triple-digits makes them.


S-Dog

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Actually I think his argument is made more valid. Someone with a pvp score in the 300+ range has probably about 2/3's of them as nothing more than 1-2 shotting lowbies who flagged back because they really don't give a ****. PvP points are quite meaningless in this game. There is nothing uber or worthy of a PvP point about a 75+ killing lowbies. That's about as worn out as that idiot who formed MM.

[SDogDEMage01]

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That's about as worn out as that idiot who formed MM.

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Hahahahaha,

That was funny.


S-Dog

[JinAkanishi]

I honestly can't for the life of me remember his name. I just remember trapping him in Floran and ending his pathetic fun for the night. I think we PK'd his former MM clannie a bunch of times, just to enjoy the fun since he was trying to hog it all.

[Devlyn_Syde]

If you want to take down SP tommrow...join them today. There is currently no single force on this server that can take on an enemy so powerful as SP. The only answer I can see is a military coo. If you are weak and fight SP you will remain weak...if you are strong and fight SP they will make you weak. If you are weak and join SP they will make you strong. If you are strong and join SP they will make you stronger. Learn their ways...know what makes them strong and remember your true goal. Take the machine down from within'. Use their own strength aginst them.

[SDogDEMage01]

That idiot's name was Zapem, and I HATED him.

S-Dog

[JinAkanishi]

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If you really believe the other allainces are going to survive once Avalon falls you are mistaken. Avalon is keeping SP's focus now and that is why the rest of you can level and hunt without being trained and griefed every day. I have seen the cycle happen again and again trust me I know what I am talking about I am not recently joined to anything I have been where I have been for a long time.
Once avalon falls so will everyone else! "Unite or Die!" its that simple.

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/agree except for Avalon falling. It basically comes down to the neutrals on the server who fail to grab their balls and take a stand. I think the neutrals fall into two categories:


1.) People like yourself who claimed neutrality, yet were on SP vent. Your posts smelled like SP long before you joined them, so it came as no suprise when you finally put the tag on.

2.) Wusses not interested in having fun at sieges or trying to accomplish anything outside of their own selfish levelling.

They are clueless in understanding that their neutrality is bought and paid for by Avalon and any other clan that takes a stand against SP. Because without them as you said, you would just show your true colors. Kind of hard to really ever escape the griefer clan label. You guys wear it proudly though. :D


I long for the day when we truly can have massive sieges with hundreds of people showing up to fight SP or any FOTM. Too bad the neutrals are too busy getting their next percent.

It's all good fun though. :)

[C0NAN]

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If you really believe the other allainces are going to survive once Avalon falls you are mistaken. Avalon is keeping SP's focus now and that is why the rest of you can level and hunt without being trained and griefed every day. I have seen the cycle happen again and again trust me I know what I am talking about I am not recently joined to anything I have been where I have been for a long time.
Once avalon falls so will everyone else! "Unite or Die!" its that simple.

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LOL
Meat Puppets and Army of Darkness will be around long after SP dies from getting bored.
Avalon, is basicly a reformed Rebellion.
The problem is, all the clans start their own thing then it dies out.
AoD and All for One has been around for a long time, the other clans just want to be in controll and say they are in the lead to fight SP. which is some guy who just got on the game 2 months ago lvled his nuker up and said I'm the man now. Fine let them have it. we can't unite when everyone wants to be leader.

but like i said, SP will die out before AoD will.

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Sp won't day before Aod actually we are expanding to other games, such as wow, bf2, CS source, CS , and other games. So keep dreaming if you are waiting for sp to die.

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U mean Die?(lol, i understood what u meant)
AoD was created by a bunch of RL friends, and family members.
people come people go, but the tag wont die.
SP will quit L2 and maybe go onto other games, just like most clans that start with one game.
TxM for example, I'll be with them forever, DOD/DODs/CS1.6/CSs/Bf2/CoD(UO)/CoD2/WoW... i could go on forever. but thats what they are, TxM has been around for a long time.
AoD will be around on L2 untill it dies, then we might start with another game... who knows.
But i believe SP is getting bored with L2, thats why they have started with other games.

[Katastrophe]

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It basically comes down to the neutrals on the server who fail to grab their balls and take a stand. I think the neutrals fall into two categories:

2.) Wusses not interested in having fun at sieges or trying to accomplish anything outside of their own selfish levelling.

They are clueless in understanding that their neutrality is bought and paid for by Avalon and any other clan that takes a stand against SP. Because without them as you said, you would just show your true colors. Kind of hard to really ever escape the griefer clan label. You guys wear it proudly though. :D

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Avalon or anybody else will not manage to "wake" neutrals out of their slumber until the day they offer something better than SP. When ASP had a chance to take castles, most of them boosted the taxes to 25% and most didn't care to set-up a manor system. Some did, but most didn't, or when they did, they put like 100 seeds for sale.

Also when some ASP stop training and griefing neutrals just because they think people are either on their side fighting SP or they're with SP and deserve to die.

If the neutrals aren't helping ASP it's simply because ASP is griefing them into becoming innactive in politics or forcing them to join SP to get their revenge. Sure, the people who were high enough in C2 to know what SP did when the competition dies remembers what happened, but you guys have to take into account that many of the current neutrals either weren't high enough to know what happened, or had a more traumatizing experience when ASP was "winning".

You all have to realise that while you're on the losing side, your reputation matters more than anything else. If people hate you, they won't join you. They'll either stay neutral - or in my case join your ennemies so I can take my revenge.

Stop being arrogant and condescending on neutrals and maybe you'll have allies to fight SP with.

[JoeInsane]

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If you really believe the other allainces are going to survive once Avalon falls you are mistaken. Avalon is keeping SP's focus now and that is why the rest of you can level and hunt without being trained and griefed every day. I have seen the cycle happen again and again trust me I know what I am talking about I am not recently joined to anything I have been where I have been for a long time.
Once avalon falls so will everyone else! "Unite or Die!" its that simple.

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LOL
Meat Puppets and Army of Darkness will be around long after SP dies from getting bored.
Avalon, is basicly a reformed Rebellion.
The problem is, all the clans start their own thing then it dies out.
AoD and All for One has been around for a long time, the other clans just want to be in controll and say they are in the lead to fight SP. which is some guy who just got on the game 2 months ago lvled his nuker up and said I'm the man now. Fine let them have it. we can't unite when everyone wants to be leader.

but like i said, SP will die out before AoD will.

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Sp won't day before Aod actually we are expanding to other games, such as wow, bf2, CS source, CS , and other games. So keep dreaming if you are waiting for sp to die.

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U mean Die?(lol, i understood what u meant)
AoD was created by a bunch of RL friends, and family members.
people come people go, but the tag wont die.
SP will quit L2 and maybe go onto other games, just like most clans that start with one game.
TxM for example, I'll be with them forever, DOD/DODs/CS1.6/CSs/Bf2/CoD(UO)/CoD2/WoW... i could go on forever. but thats what they are, TxM has been around for a long time.
AoD will be around on L2 untill it dies, then we might start with another game... who knows.
But i believe SP is getting bored with L2, thats why they have started with other games.

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You do realize the core of sp has been here since Open beta. Sp is here to stay. Sorry, we are branching to other games because some of us don't sit around playing l2 24 hrs a day.

[C0NAN]

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If you really believe the other allainces are going to survive once Avalon falls you are mistaken. Avalon is keeping SP's focus now and that is why the rest of you can level and hunt without being trained and griefed every day. I have seen the cycle happen again and again trust me I know what I am talking about I am not recently joined to anything I have been where I have been for a long time.
Once avalon falls so will everyone else! "Unite or Die!" its that simple.

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LOL
Meat Puppets and Army of Darkness will be around long after SP dies from getting bored.
Avalon, is basicly a reformed Rebellion.
The problem is, all the clans start their own thing then it dies out.
AoD and All for One has been around for a long time, the other clans just want to be in controll and say they are in the lead to fight SP. which is some guy who just got on the game 2 months ago lvled his nuker up and said I'm the man now. Fine let them have it. we can't unite when everyone wants to be leader.

but like i said, SP will die out before AoD will.

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Sp won't day before Aod actually we are expanding to other games, such as wow, bf2, CS source, CS , and other games. So keep dreaming if you are waiting for sp to die.

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U mean Die?(lol, i understood what u meant)
AoD was created by a bunch of RL friends, and family members.
people come people go, but the tag wont die.
SP will quit L2 and maybe go onto other games, just like most clans that start with one game.
TxM for example, I'll be with them forever, DOD/DODs/CS1.6/CSs/Bf2/CoD(UO)/CoD2/WoW... i could go on forever. but thats what they are, TxM has been around for a long time.
AoD will be around on L2 untill it dies, then we might start with another game... who knows.
But i believe SP is getting bored with L2, thats why they have started with other games.

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You do realize the core of sp has been here since Open beta. Sp is here to stay. Sorry, we are branching to other games because some of us don't sit around playing l2 24 hrs a day.

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Same with Meat puppets, the core of our clan and our clan has been around a while, Meat puppets was actually a clan a small one, but a clan in C1.

[Lord Chaos]

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we are branching to other games because some of us don't sit around playing l2 24 hrs a day.

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Somehow I find that remark heck of funny. :D

[whiterabit]

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I think the neutrals fall into two categories:


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very closed minded of you, some of us dont care about sp and anti sp
alot of us get pk'd or trained from both sides
you would be supprised how many neutrals are just waiting for a 3rd side who stand by thier beliefs.
its easy to pk and train then call yourself elite
but keeping to a basic building block of a belief and staying pure to it i have yet to meet such a alliance

[Jacomus]

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I think the neutrals fall into two categories:


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very closed minded of you, some of us dont care about sp and anti sp
alot of us get pk'd or trained from both sides
you would be supprised how many neutrals are just waiting for a 3rd side who stand by thier beliefs.
its easy to pk and train then call yourself elite
but keeping to a basic building block of a belief and staying pure to it i have yet to meet such a alliance

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Thanks for ur perspective, know exactly what u mean.

[nolerahl]

I'd agree, A-Sp is lame and ******ed.

The only ones puting up a fight is avalon.

EV won't war flagorDie, and Darkflame wars them for about 5 minutes then cancels the war.

I'm someone that was once on A-Sp side, then after a while I learned about how they really function, and left. got tired of their BS, and lies.

They got the protential to take what SP has, but they can't organize them selfs to do it, They let lame [censored] that train A-SP people (as well as SP) in 30-50 spots(HC,branded..esc) into their ally, and that destorys them.

Whats sad is there is people that only play to get that next %.
and them very few that RP.

I'd like to see the neutral get off their [censored] and join one side or the other.

But Most as I know are more one sided to SP then A-SP.

Gaia, AoD, earine, they are all lame to me.. stop playing this game.. go else where or start PvPing, cause thats what this game is for!

[OlOrc]

The Major issue with Avalon Is that they claim to be better than SP. By that they mean not to do what SP does, no griefing, no botting...ect. But all I have seen from these people is the same as SP. Nothing but a bunch of griefers. Oh and bots, when I want a room to hunt in and the bots wont go, I train them then get Pmed asking not to train the bots as they are Avalon's bots.

In thier quest to become better than Sp They have become the same, just with a different tag.

Many People fight against SP, many People fght with SP. All I ever see on the server is high lvl people fighting low lvl people never same lvl or near the same lvl. One SP shows up and starts to greif people...they can do this as most people are not organized enough that when they fight what to do if someone starts to grief them, the SP will kill them all off. But if the group does happen to be organized and the group of lvl 60's kills the high lvl SP (75+) then The SP brings a whole mess of high lvls with him. be cause he lost face. This is an act of greifing and not taking what was givin to you.

Their are people who are all out anti-SP..is this right? is this wrong? who really knows? But when people claim to be anti-SP..aka. Avalon but hunt with people whois known to be SP, they lose alll respect by others. Then when people see this and attack the SP in their party, and get attacked by Avalon. saying that the person is their friend I say them. Just a bunch of SP wannabes.

The real issue with the rest of the server is the lack of a leader. A true leader will sets rules for the people he leads. These rules can be changed be a vote of the people he/she leads. They need a system of checks and balances. But the rules stand whether u agree or not. Until the rule is changed. People need to realize that you cannot have everything you want in life. There are rules to follow, but if the rules are followed your goal can be accomplished. Why do you think the military is the way it is? People dont agree with everything that is put out, but if you have a valid reason and support for your reason, you can change things.

Find a true leader, you will find your base against the powerful SP that some of you call it. Every enemy has its weakness. SP is full of them, But the rest of the server has more. That is why they are losing.

[Jacomus]

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I'd agree, A-Sp is lame and ******ed.

The only ones puting up a fight is avalon.

EV won't war flagorDie, and Darkflame wars them for about 5 minutes then cancels the war.

I'm someone that was once on A-Sp side, then after a while I learned about how they really function, and left. got tired of their BS, and lies.

They got the protential to take what SP has, but they can't organize them selfs to do it, They let lame [censored] that train A-SP people (as well as SP) in 30-50 spots(HC,branded..esc) into their ally, and that destorys them.

Whats sad is there is people that only play to get that next %.
and them very few that RP.

I'd like to see the neutral get off their [censored] and join one side or the other.

But Most as I know are more one sided to SP then A-SP.

Gaia, AoD, earine, they are all lame to me.. stop playing this game.. go else where or start PvPing, cause thats what this game is for!

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Well why fight for someone that u dont believe in their cause? I agree with Whiterabit that there is a very narrow view of what sides there are. Avalon doesnt share my beliefs, SP doesnt either. I think there is a void that needs to be filled, and its not SP/Avalon.

During the beginning of C4, Darkflame tried to hold their own catacombs from SP and instead attracted SP like a magnet. If they unwarred then I dont blame them. It was lot longer than 5 minutes.

[Caleria]

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The real issue with the rest of the server is the lack of a leader. A true leader will sets rules for the people he leads. These rules can be changed be a vote of the people he/she leads. They need a system of checks and balances. But the rules stand whether u agree or not. Until the rule is changed. People need to realize that you cannot have everything you want in life. There are rules to follow, but if the rules are followed your goal can be accomplished. Why do you think the military is the way it is? People dont agree with everything that is put out, but if you have a valid reason and support for your reason, you can change things.

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You forget that this is a game... not the military. And if not even the GMs are able to enforce rules... who can?

@Nolerahl: Sorry Nolerahl but you have absolutely no reason to open your mouth to critizise anything about "A-SP". No reason at all. Thank you.

Cal

[Jacomus]

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The real issue with the rest of the server is the lack of a leader. A true leader will sets rules for the people he leads. These rules can be changed be a vote of the people he/she leads. They need a system of checks and balances. But the rules stand whether u agree or not. Until the rule is changed. People need to realize that you cannot have everything you want in life. There are rules to follow, but if the rules are followed your goal can be accomplished. Why do you think the military is the way it is? People dont agree with everything that is put out, but if you have a valid reason and support for your reason, you can change things.

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You forget that this is a game... not the military. And if not even the GMs are able to enforce rules... who can?

@Nolerahl: Sorry Nolerahl but you have absolutely no reason to open your mouth to critizise anything about "A-SP". No reason at all. Thank you.

Cal

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Yeah it is a game. Clans are constructed by players who have their idea of leading players. Clans are ment to be diverse as players population is. Problem is that instead of the diversity, it falls down into "lets be like SP" catigory. How many alliances have crumbled cause they said they stand for this, but worked with thous who are against that. They have rules saying this is how we expect our members abid by but they make ton of excuses for the couple who rock at pvp and going against the rules.

Take the GMs out of this arguement cause they are ment to maintain the gaming envirement. Players can directly make their discust by deactivating their account. Focusing on the players have decided to remain and make up our server at large.

[C0NAN]

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Gaia, AoD, earine, they are all lame to me.. stop playing this game.. go else where or start PvPing, cause thats what this game is for!

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We do PVP, and alot, and we fight, we go red, we die and not BSOE, like 90% of SP. and guess what, when we find out that someone bots in our clan and alliance, AOD kicks their *** out.
we cant compete with programs that lvl you up, so dont sit their and tell me to PVP, because i bet all the people who bot, if they went legit would go from PVPing during the day to lvling.
Its hard to lvl, and hard when every spot we go to lvl and get XP to lvl up and go PVP is crawling with SP.
I'll say it again, WE CANNOT COMPETE WITH PROGRAMS. I cant be on the game 24/7 like programs can.
so take us off the list, im trying to redisign the way AoD is.

[OlOrc]

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The real issue with the rest of the server is the lack of a leader. A true leader will sets rules for the people he leads. These rules can be changed be a vote of the people he/she leads. They need a system of checks and balances. But the rules stand whether u agree or not. Until the rule is changed. People need to realize that you cannot have everything you want in life. There are rules to follow, but if the rules are followed your goal can be accomplished. Why do you think the military is the way it is? People dont agree with everything that is put out, but if you have a valid reason and support for your reason, you can change things.

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You forget that this is a game... not the military. And if not even the GMs are able to enforce rules... who can?

@Nolerahl: Sorry Nolerahl but you have absolutely no reason to open your mouth to critizise anything about "A-SP". No reason at all. Thank you.

Cal

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This isnt the military but if you want to take down SP like you say you do then you need a leader a true leader and people need to have loyalty through the good and bad. People on this server are full of drama, no action. Do some action and something might happen.

This is a game, if you are not having fun with it you need to move on. Play an alt, something. Britterness wont slove a thing. If you are having fun at something you won't care about the work you put into it.

Yes, programs like [censored] have ruined the true spirit of the game. That is the GM's problem to deal with. We can help in limited ways, it ultimately up to them not us. All we can do is work with what we are given. We can act apon the actions of others. Stand as one and you might be amazed as to what can happen. set aside the arugments, the complaining, the disagreements, and DO something, but be consistant.

[Katastrophe]

Leadership of an alliance is really important. You need a true leader that cares about his job as a leader, one who will listen to what the people wants, and then rule with an iron fist to make sure that what people want is followed.

Where many of the ASP leaders failed is when

1) they didn't listen to their members and when the alliance was different enough of what people want the alliance to be, they left.

2) they applied the iron fist to some people, but let their closest friends do as much damage to the alliance as they wanted.

3) didn't care about the newbs they were leading into battle.

Take making an alliance like building a new country. If it doesn't have strong foundations, if it doesn't have a strong leader whom people are willing to follow, that country is going to fall down into civil war, which is what has been happening with the ASP side since it's begining.

The fight you're losing isn't against sp itself, your fight is lost on the creation of a stable alliance.

SP made a strong, stable alliance. Not only strong in terms of levels/equip, but strong in the sense it will be extremely hard to break apart.

This is the part of SP that ASP should be copying if it wants to become strong too. Until such a time ASP decides to create something strong and stable, it's going to fall back into ruins like the sand castle it keeps building itself as and SP won't even have to siege it, just wait for the forces of nature to send in a small wind or a bit of rain.

[OlOrc]

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This is the part of SP that ASP should be copying if it wants to become strong too.

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I couldnt agree more....The Leadership is the foudation. This can one person or a group of people. This is what you build off of.

[Caleria]

Great to hear that only from the people who took the most easy way out.

SP griefing, cheating and having maximum tax is better than ASP cheating, griefing and having maximum tax with my support. So just please, thank you. I will never fight for SP so why should I fight for people who are the same? Because they have a different tag? Certainly not.

Cal

[Lord Chaos]

Never seen any of those thats been mentioned grief anywhere. As for "cheating", *shrugs*, if you start out with a bunch of gangs with guns, the police just sits back and let them do whatever they want, eventually most other people will get guns too, to even the odds.

[AlphaCentori]

Indeed, I find it interesting to see that the main 2 accusers of "Avalon griefs as much and even more than SP" are the "I have 4 post counts cause I play more than I post"...

As for ppl calling for a 3rd side, I'd personally love to see it happening, though when I think of the 3rd side, I see "MX" and "TPC": sadly the only 3rd side examples we had and also the best if you're into treachery and waste of energy.

I've never felt these 2 things with such accuracy than with these 2: my best in-game friend was in MX, throwing me reasons for why they sided their old griefers and the cheater side, TPC teached me how 5 ppl in 1 clan could not only screw an entire alliance in 2 days but also every possible ways to get out of the hole they dig for us, before leaving.. and some ppl are wondering why there is no 3rd side in Erica.

Let's hope their example won't be lost. ;)

[Jute]

Here is my experience with Avalon..

The other night I was invited by some friends to party with them. My character is much lower level, but they don't mind and they are always fun to hang out with, so I accepted.

We were fighting mobs that sleep. I was waking people by hitting them. Which of course, flagged me. Some guy in Avalon one-shotted my orc while she was flagged. :)

Now, I was flagged, so flagged people are free kills and that's fine. He might not have known I was so much lower level (though the Brig armor might have given him a clue). I'm not whining because I was killed... hey, it's a risk you take when you flag, but it does say something about people who choose to one shot a sub 40 level character. ;)

So, based on that personal experience, I wouldn't say Avalon is the 'good guys'.

[Jacomus]

I remember why Warcry was so popular for a time. I see the mods have just done a lot of spring cleaning of our posts.

Anycase, thanks for the fun dicussions. I got my work to do.

[AlphaCentori]

yeah, not only sad but definitely a discusting method, especially considering the non-flamatory discussions!

Bah, that's it for the my official contribution, I'll be on L2pet if needed, see ya.

[Caleria]

Ya sad really... makes you wonder if you just went insane... "Uhm... did I just write that 100 lines of a post? Where did it go? Is my inet broken? Am I too dumb to hit send?"

No wonder really that 95% of the game related discussion is done on boards that are hosted by companies that profit from discussions about the secondary market.

Cal

[Lord Chaos]

The discussion takes place there because people can have discussions like

"ah n00b i killed ur mom, r0fl!"
"hey lok, i can make a draving of ur girl loking like a donkey"
*insert drawing*
etc. etc.

[Jacomus]

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The discussion takes place there because people can have discussions like

"ah n00b i killed ur mom, r0fl!"
"hey lok, i can make a draving of ur girl loking like a donkey"
*insert drawing*
etc. etc.

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Yeah why I didnt care for Orph us and blah. Warcry is pretty good, just hate their forum software. Better than nothing i guess.

Guess they want to sweep it all under the rug to make a false impression to new players checking us out. Then they slowly get exposed and possibly use the second market. Seems only rules being enforced is only on the offical forums =/

[Caleria]

Ya if the forum mods would be send ingame they'd have to merge the servers 3 into 1 because of lack of players. :)

Cal

[whiterabit]

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TPC teached me how 5 ppl in 1 clan could not only screw an entire alliance in 2 days but also every possible ways to get out of the hole they dig for us, before leaving..


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Glad iam not the only one feeling cheated with what happened

[Jacomus]

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TPC teached me how 5 ppl in 1 clan could not only screw an entire alliance in 2 days but also every possible ways to get out of the hole they dig for us, before leaving..


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Glad iam not the only one feeling cheated with what happened

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May I ask what happened? Just curious.

[ChuckHoboDUH]

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That idiot's name was Zapem, and I HATED him.

S-Dog

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hate is such a strong word do you want some theropy sdog?

[Lord Chaos]

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TPC teached me how 5 ppl in 1 clan could not only screw an entire alliance in 2 days but also every possible ways to get out of the hole they dig for us, before leaving..

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ROFL. kinda funny sidepoint, but the same thing happened to the Salvation Alliance, though it only took them one day. *sigh*

[MerDeNoms]

Well apperently SP has gotten board and fast not even 2 months since you got rid of Rebellion. And apperently Avalon isn't fun for you anymore so you want to go after everyone. I'm flattered that you find AU someone to go after. So on a personal note JCII if you want a free PvP point cause thats the only reason you would war us PM Latura I'll meet you outside of any town and we can go at it. JCII you want us you got us.

[Vivex]

I don't think its a lack of unification, its a lack of in game skill and ability to multi-task. In example, half of the people I've leveled with pause for a few seconds after each mob dies, go afk every 5 minutes... etc...

On my alts I sometimes party with some of the non-sp alliances and clans, and I have to say ack. I've come the point where I would rather solo. You guys recruit no talent losers. Sorry, personality can't trump a crappy player. Most are lacking in that department as well anyways.

You could combine every petty clan and alliance on the server and they would still not stand up to the larger alliances. You could all get on vent and you will still be the lowest on the totem pole if you suck at this game. I rarely even use vent, I can still manage to type and play at the same time. That's not even really a valid excuse unless you are coordinating with people outside of ally/clan/party or with multiple groups of the following three.

If you genuinely have any talent or skill at this game, you need to surround yourself with others that do. Clans and alliances built around the premise of unifying SKILLED and WELL EQUIPPED, and DRIVEN people is the problem with most of the alliances and clans on the server.

There is no excuse to play Lineage 2 and suck at it.

Not directed at Latura, that was the nearest reply button however.

[Vivex]

P.S. Only love, I wish for everyone to have a good time.