general material prices

[Kruken]

Ok I dont know about other servers. But Devianne mats prices have skyrocketed. I was looking around last night and CBP was selling for 20k adena. That is just 1 example but alot of the mat prices have tripled or more. What is happening to the ecnomy.

[Spudnik]

everyone wants S grade, nobody manoring much.

[devildreamer]

I manor on my le it seems its the only way to get some mats >.< though none of the manors are offering bone as a reward type and if they are the seeds are selling super quick 506 thread FTW

[MalineII]

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everyone wants S grade, nobody manoring much.

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A) True. B) False. :o

More like this:
Everyone wants S Grade. NCSoft hates the manor and doesn't allow it to produce enough mats to provide for all.

[Malkavian]

I am afraid of the new manor system...or I would bust out my dwarf and gets to farming :(

[Razorfox]

It's just as bad on Lionna. A full weapon is cheaper to buy than craft.

[Lord Chaos]

Yeah, mat prices are messed up, so is the manor system in C4, it was supposed to get better, but it doesn't seem so.

[SirDuncan]

The farmers have been controlling all raid boss spawns, but now they are also making an effort to control the manor system for critical mats.

Noone I've talked to has seen or even talked to someone that has seen any varnish in quite some time now, on Sieg ay least.

And that's why you can buy them cheaper then you can craft them, the only ones that have access to enough mats are the ones selling the completed weapons.

[cristalina]

Dont buy anything from the farmers!
The legit BHs out there are doing the best they can to lower the matprices ^^

[Ledaa]

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It's just as bad on Lionna. A full weapon is cheaper to buy than craft.

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Donn't know, I find it very profitable to manor chillys/golds in Heine. And I'm mostly able to turn them in. DIdn't got them in yesterday, but I was a bit slow, and was going to the best price (400a, compared to 25-150a in other castles). Will try it tonight :D
Anyway I need to wait till my clanny will be back on to get me a new FP helm from coins, lost the one I had before :mad:
And the full armor I will craft is cheaper then to just buy it ^^

[BlankStares]

Please just delete lifetecs post rather then locking this thread.

Gustin hasnt seen a large spike in prices, yet.

I am going to break out the BH this week though just in case.

Free market FTW!!

[_Charmille_]

Waah, they deleted my post in the process too :mad:

You dont need to farm anything in order to have full A-grade and 10 A-grade weapons. Playing the market kiddies, playing the market is the easiest way to earning lots of adena.

[Mizwisfist]

What's funny is how certain mats are used in differently during different chronicles.

In prelude we were all dying for Steel.
C3-4 are the varnish/bones reign.
And droprates don't seem to compensate the arrival of more expensive / mats consuming gear...

So what I believe is each new grade is putting more stress on the demand while droprates are not adjusted.
So who is screwed ? The lowbie. He can't compete on the market with ppl on their sub .. who all have a LOT of money.

Where's the balance guy again ?

(And the manor is _NOT_ a solution anymore. When it's not sould out 3 seconds after buy-in reset time it's only because it's extremely badly configured by its owners.)

[_Charmille_]

Ori Ore, Enria, Mold Hardener, SOP and bone are the high demand ones. They're used for most of the crafts so no wonder they're in high demand. Add to that the fact that there's a limit supply and the prices will go up.

C4 manor changes gimped the production of Ori Ore severely, thus resulting in huge price spike. Same goes for Bone, Varnish, Enria and the likes >.> And SOP/Mold prices going up can be explained with the increased A-grade crafting thanks to spoilable/dropping A-weapon and jewel recipes and parts.

The Devs screwed up things big time. They cut the production and at the same time increased the demand alot.

[Ledaa]

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So what I believe is each new grade is putting more stress on the demand while droprates are not adjusted.
So who is screwed ? The lowbie. He can't compete on the market with ppl on their sub .. who all have a LOT of money.

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Almost all the way to best C grade mats do not play an important role in the prices. You only need mats for some of the C armors (FP, divine, PL) and set completed items, which are expencive due to thier rarity and not because then need lots of mats (prig helm, for example).
On other hand, soloing (which is the most comon way of manoring) is much easyer for some1 in 20-40th then in 60th. Yes, manor is not for everyone, but it's also pocible to get a lowbie skav to farm base mats. A low lvl player can get one almost as easy as someone in higher lvls.
The highest strain is on those who got their first characters into B, or may be even A grade. By the time someone gets to A grade they better know how to make a living, so it's mostly new B graders.

[Mizwisfist]

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Ori Ore, Enria, Mold Hardener, SOP and bone are the high demand ones. They're used for most of the crafts so no wonder they're in high demand. Add to that the fact that there's a limit supply and the prices will go up.

C4 manor changes gimped the production of Ori Ore severely, thus resulting in huge price spike. Same goes for Bone, Varnish, Enria and the likes >.> And SOP/Mold prices going up can be explained with the increased A-grade crafting thanks to spoilable/dropping A-weapon and jewel recipes and parts.

The Devs screwed up things big time. They cut the production and at the same time increased the demand alot.

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bof....

Enria was 40k recently and is at 30 now
Mold hardener went from 38k to 20 easily
SOPs are at 3.8k max
I've seen Ori Ore at 10k


Nothing to whip a Llama about.

But bones were at 1200 yesterday with no varnish in sight...
I'll have to wait for my last Majestic jewels.

(Sieghardt talking)

[_Charmille_]

Teon:
Enria was 4k, now 30k in sellshops
Mold Hardener was 8k, now 20k in sellshops
SOP was 3-4k, now 10k in shops
Ori Ore was at the lowest around 2k, now it's 10-12k
Bones were 290, now they're 900

I craft all the time, I sure as hell do know when material prices skyrocket. I also ran the manor in C3 and know how much more it produced back then when you compare it to the manor of C4.

[Krissa]

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You dont need to farm anything in order to have full A-grade and 10 A-grade weapons. Playing the market kiddies, playing the market is the easiest way to earning lots of adena.

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If everyone just plays the market, then soon there will not be any mats at all. So some hard working people still need to be screwed by the system.

[Trizie]

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Teon:
Enria was 4k, now 30k in sellshops
Mold Hardener was 8k, now 20k in sellshops
SOP was 3-4k, now 10k in shops
Ori Ore was at the lowest around 2k, now it's 10-12k
Bones were 290, now they're 900

I craft all the time, I sure as hell do know when material prices skyrocket. I also ran the manor in C3 and know how much more it produced back then when you compare it to the manor of C4.

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Well I play on Teon also, but I'v never seen it in sell shops to the price you stat.
Before C4 the sell shops was :
Enria : 7,5k - 10k -----> C4 : 30k
Mold H : 22-25k -----> C4 : 20-26k
SOP : 4-5,5k -----> C4 : 9-11k
Ori. : 10-11k -----> C4 : 11-13k

The stuff that really has jumped through the roof is bone, skin and CBP
skin : 130a -----> C4 : 300a
bone : 300a -----> C4 : 800-1000a
CBP : 3,25k -----> C4 : 9-10k

I know the prices as well because I'v earned close to 200-250kk by trading only......

One strange thing though..... Mithril Ore... used to sell for like 3-4k each -----> C4 : 1,75k ??????

Why is it so?

Anyway, I'm going to spoil for CBP, I know some mobs that almost spoil one for each kill.... so I should be able to make like 1kk in an hour or so :)

[_Charmille_]

Depends how far before C4 you go.

I've personally bought Mold hardeners for 8k for about 2months in C3, totaling in around 500 Mold Hardeners. At the time Enria, SOP and the likes were close to the same prices too, but they've been increasing after that. Before C4 came, mat prices fluctuated highly. First they went up, then down big time and when C4 hit, some of them skyrocketed and most kept at the relatively low lvls. Untill now T_T We produced Ori Ore as much as we could using the manor in order to lower the prices in C3, but After IA got Gludio Ori Ore prices started climbing as they set the manor up in a way that cut the daily production to 1/4 of what it was before.

Mithril ore was 750-800. Now I buy for 1,1k yes. Some of the prices I use are averages between buyshops and sellshops for the previous prices. But now even buyshops are using ridiculous prices to obtain mats :/

Highest Ori Ore peak btw was 19k, a few weeks back. 14k in buyshops back then.

[_Charmille_]

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If everyone just plays the market, then soon there will not be any mats at all. So some hard working people still need to be screwed by the system.

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And what do the bots do? You also always get mats when you EXP. Besides, you can play the market totally without touching materials.

Oh ya, forgot another change that also causes mat prices to rise. How many of you remember getting 100+ Mold Lubricants per raidboss in C3? That happened alot. Enria, Molds, Metallic Fiber almost always from the bosses. In big numbers.

C4 = full items rarely, item parts most of the time so meh, they cause more crafting and also give less mats T_T

Plenty of changes that can cause mat prices to rise.

[cristalina]

Maybe they didnt "screw up" the manor, but promoted the BH to a useful class again? :)

[_Charmille_]

Unless you can compensate the cut in production, I'd say that they screwed it up. There's not enough BHs to cover the demand that is simply caused by the cut in manor production. Not to mention all the other things affecting the economy.

[BlankStares]

There arent enough BHs because they screwed them in C3.

Give it time and the ship will right itself again.

Rolling out a BH anyone?