75 Quest Issues (RB farming) [Archive]

WaRpZnEwt

04-19-2006, 06:17 PM

Just posting this as some people are having issues doing their 75 quest to be able to subclass due to rollsroyce and lightsword killing the 75 quest raidbosses.

I think everyone understands we can all gunhoe together and sit there for hours on end waiting for the raidboss to spawn, that's not a very "useful" suggestion however.

Just restating that the raidboss farmers are having a significant impact on gameplay now and they should be dealt with more appropiately.

I've read suggestions of making quest specific raidbosses spawnable but what's easier?

Change the game code to compensate for lack of EULA violations control?

or

Remove (OBVIOUS) farmers?

PrivatePancak3s

04-19-2006, 06:21 PM

its pretty sad that the GM;s havent banned the farmers yet.. they sit at their computers 24/7 with alts waiting for every raid boss to spawn... which makes it nearly impossible for the normal player in a clan to do them.

BlackMarketHero

04-19-2006, 06:21 PM

I think that banning them would be a great idea, along with banning the rest of the farmers. But the question is will NCSoft every do that? Doubtful, so what's going to happen is they'll most likely make them spawnable if you have the quest.. I think they rather do all the hard work and re-work everything in game to make them spawnable, rather than losing all that money income from the farmers. Just my opinion though.

mswari

04-19-2006, 06:32 PM

attn: baium
spawn pls

SirJiggles

04-19-2006, 07:25 PM

When i had to do Baium, LS/RR had taken it down abotu 3 hours before i went to do it, and this was a saturday i believe, so me and subjective ended up staying at ToI 13 until baium spawned, and the seals period was over, so couldnt port there, but his spawn was 5 1/2 days if im not mistaken

Theseus_N

04-19-2006, 10:20 PM

I hope you had a comfortable chair for those 5.5 days.

Smardoaik

04-20-2006, 12:01 AM

I say we can camp the toi 7th floor and don't let farmers do the Baium quest.

Durgoth

04-20-2006, 04:23 AM

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I say we can camp the toi 7th floor and don't let farmers do the Baium quest.

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Thats what i was going to say. We either try to stop them when they go to do the quest, or, we all camp the raid bosses people need. Either one is fine with me. I would say to get ahold of the alliance leaders that are actively hunting MS/LS (SoS, Republic,HG,Requim) and see if we can figure something out.

KittySlayer

04-20-2006, 04:25 AM

well its obviouse the gm's dont give *** about farmers long as ther gettin ther paychecks. lucky the developers may have a clue about whats goin on. Their is that rumor that in C5 some npc will give raidboss spawn times (possibly countdowns) which will level the raiding field for real players and give us LS/RR's biggest advantage of knowing exactly when the boss's spawn. all well have to do is get ther at the same time and kill them :)

Crawlerin

04-20-2006, 05:04 AM

Would removing drops from quest RBs and make them only epic monsters needed to complete quest help? It would be easiest way I think.

Bighands

04-20-2006, 05:43 AM

I think it was prelude when we used to have the same problem with regular quest mobs. That's why they changed quest mobs to give zero drops and zero XP.

IMO changing the specific RB's that you need for the high lvl quests to be the same way might be the best solution.

Durgoth

04-20-2006, 06:24 AM

If that was going to happen, I dont think i'd like it. The raid bosses that wouldnt drop anything are some of the fun ones. Making Biaum not drop anything would kind of suck, considering he's one of the big boys. Would have been a hell of a lot easier to have made new bosses (that didnt drop anything) specifically for the class changes. It's not like theres a huge story line behind it with the existing ones anyways.

LickNMeLollypop

04-20-2006, 06:33 AM

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I think it was prelude when we used to have the same problem with regular quest mobs. That's why they changed quest mobs to give zero drops and zero XP.

IMO changing the specific RB's that you need for the high lvl quests to be the same way might be the best solution.

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I suggested this before. I think this would help alot and if GM's would provide another way to lvl soul crystals then this would take alot away from the farmer issues.

Bighands

04-20-2006, 06:41 AM

I agree Lick.

I think what the Dev's had in mind was to create competition (PvP) by limiting access to certain resources. (Soul Crystals, Quest RB's, regular RB's that drop high end goodies.)

The problem is, they never considered that real players just cannot compete with farmers. As a result, farmers gain control of those resources, and the players are left out in the cold. No real PvP ensues.

I can imagine that if there were no RB Farmers, the game would be a helluva lot more fun. I mean the times we've PvPed other real player alliances for a resource, like Lilith or DVC, have always been fun nights. I can imagine the PvP that might ensue if we were all fighting for those quest RB's, Baium, Lilith, and even just regular RB's that drop specific things we all want.

Up until now, it's only been a limited few alliances that had the firepower to compete for some of that high end stuff, but as time goes on, more and more people are getting there, so the competition should be heating up. Problem is, it's not. Instead of fighting each other for the right to take down Baium, we're practically forced to work together to take down the RB farmers, which is also fun, but not nearly as fun as fighting other real players for it.

LickNMeLollypop

04-20-2006, 06:52 AM

Couldn't put it better myself Bighands. I am quite sure the Devs had planned on it without the farmer factor. Because farmers will NEVER be removed from game entirely (its the truth whether you like it or not) then NCSoft should provide different ways to get to our endgame. I would like to see a GM response saying they are working to do something about this. (dunno if they already responded to Raid Boss farmer issue or not yet)

Durgoth

04-20-2006, 06:55 AM

Only Response I've Seen (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=578336&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#578336)

Gregus

04-20-2006, 07:39 AM

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Only Response I've Seen (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=578336&page=0&view=collap sed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#578336)

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so basically "If they bot they will be banned, and we will completely ignore the fact they sell adena to players"

So all the farmers need to do is have their people run 3-4 comps and hit macros to attack the boss. If they do that there are good to stay! =.=

Bighands

04-20-2006, 07:41 AM

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Couldn't put it better myself Bighands. I am quite sure the Devs had planned on it without the farmer factor. Because farmers will NEVER be removed from game entirely (its the truth whether you like it or not) then NCSoft should provide different ways to get to our endgame. I would like to see a GM response saying they are working to do something about this. (dunno if they already responded to Raid Boss farmer issue or not yet)

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Since they haven't banned them yet, I'll just assume that they haven't been able to catch them commiting any bannable offenses.

That means in their (NCSoft's) eyes they are doing what any well organized group of players could do. ok ok, so it would have to be an extremely well organized group of players who never ever sleeps. ROFL.

You did touch on something though. Either NCSoft has to step up and make a really huge effort to control the farmers, or they need to start taking them into consideration at the design and development level in order to insure that the regular players still find the game to be fun.

arigo

04-20-2006, 07:54 AM

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or selling the dropped items for real-life currency are violations

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They then sold the ring which dropped over the internet (I know who bought it for a set price in dollars)

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So did the OP report who bought the ring from who?

Tannis

04-20-2006, 08:24 AM

The Question I have... Has anyone sent any E-mails to the Support web site? We may not be able to Post names and stuff on this website but the Other L2 site most use we can...

Can someone make a list of all the Toons at the Raid Bosses, Take a a few SS or in game Fraps and host it, as well as try and make a list of the toons selling the stuff they are getting from the Raid Bosses?

Then we can all send emails to Support, in the hopes that they can some how track the Adena, Items or accounts to see if they have broken any rule so they can be banned?

Maybe if we can all come together, we might be able to get something done...

WaRpZnEwt

04-20-2006, 08:35 AM

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So did the OP report who bought the ring from who?

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Im assuming someone that had alot of adena :confused:

WaRpZnEwt

04-20-2006, 08:42 AM

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The Question I have... Has anyone sent any E-mails to the Support web site? We may not be able to Post names and stuff on this website but the Other L2 site most use we can...

Can someone make a list of all the Toons at the Raid Bosses, Take a a few SS or in game Fraps and host it, as well as try and make a list of the toons selling the stuff they are getting from the Raid Bosses?

Then we can all send emails to Support, in the hopes that they can some how track the Adena, Items or accounts to see if they have broken any rule so they can be banned?

Maybe if we can all come together, we might be able to get something done...

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i'v heard rumors at this point that they are still in operation dispite tons of petitions and support emails (not just our server), because the raid boss crews are legit in the sense that they are all played at this point thereby preventing them from being banned for use of 3rd party programs, and tracking adena will probably only result in their lvl1 dwarf accounts selling SA crys getting banned.

I don't understand what the holdup is at this point they have a player list its called lightsword and rollsroyce clan members list + bigtank.

Mahbub

04-20-2006, 08:43 AM

We're trying to take away from them all the raid bosses that we can during the night(my time, EST), but we need people to keep the pressure during the day(my time) when most of us are working.

Mahbub

04-20-2006, 08:50 AM

I bet the didn't level those toons to their acutal levels legitly. So if NCsoft ways to investigate are good they should see that those toons were leveled using 3rd party programs. It doesn't matter if they are played now by people and without 3rd party programs.

Bighands

04-20-2006, 09:23 AM

Hard to say. Maybe they leveled legit, and maybe they didn't.

Same thing with regards to NCSoft. They're not going to tell us if they've ever investigated them, or even if they are currently under investigation.

With the number of threads on the subject all over these boards, which is more than 1 per day, my guess would be that they've at least looked into it a little.

There are a ton of ****** off customers, which is never good for business.

IMO we need to work on the problem ourselves, like we have been, and at the same time we need to put a little more pressure on NCSoft.

I know it's not a popular idea, but I really think they need to do a quick database query and ban the first 200 names that pop up selling an item worth less than 1 mil adena for more than 49.99 mil adena. Some innocent people might get netted, but we have seen innocent people get their accounts back before.

If they start making an example of the ebayers then people will stop doing it, people stop buying and the farmers will quickly move on. That's where each of us comes into play. The latest thing I've been telling my guys, which is the truth, is that every time some ******* ebays 100 mil, he just gave the farmers a reason to stick around for another day. The attitude that it's ok to ebay has got to change within our own clans and alliances or this problem is just going to keep coming back.

I mean we've all watched the news, they throw drug dealers in jail every day, all it does is open the opportunity for someone else to take the old guys' spot.

Even if they ban MS tomorrow, some other farmer crew, possibly even worse than MS is going to take their spot within just a few weeks.

ShadowOfDespair

04-20-2006, 09:38 AM

Not if we don't let them.

LickNMeLollypop

04-20-2006, 10:05 AM

Supply and Demand

Sad to say but the only way I think this game could get rid of farmers is to either increase drop rates or make it like some of the other MMORPG games out where you can buy Adena right from NCSoft.

Nanashi_Naomhan

04-20-2006, 10:13 AM

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dont even suggest crap like that :P
stop ebaying = no more farmers

wouldnt know anyone who sat afk in a farmer party would ya?

subversion

04-20-2006, 10:24 AM

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I bet the didn't level those toons to their acutal levels legitly.

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They were all AoE power-leveled in GoE/GC/Alligator Isle by the DK/OZ farmers at the end of C3.

Kittyhunter

04-20-2006, 10:31 AM

:confused: what is DK/OZ??!!! :confused:

Durgoth

04-20-2006, 10:43 AM

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They were all AoE power-leveled in GoE/GC/Alligator Isle by the DK/OZ farmers at the end of C3.

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Yea i can confirm that, we had a few guys who saw them on AI a few months ago.

LickNMeLollypop

04-20-2006, 10:55 AM

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dont even suggest crap like that :P
stop ebaying = no more farmers

wouldnt know anyone who sat afk in a farmer party would ya?

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Trying being a realist instead of an idiot. How are you going to stop people from ebaying? Its just wishful thinking. You wanna use some Jedi mind trick and make everyone on the server think like and have the same ingame morals as you, go for it. Its like saying we don't need any police if everyone would stop breaking the law, well duh! Whether you like them or not, my suggestions are the only plausible way to remove the problem at the moment unless NCSoft finds some better anti-bot software or ways to block Chinese ips and proxy servers.

Malkira666

04-20-2006, 11:09 AM

dont look at RR and LS as farmers who need to be stopped, look at them as potential pvp points and maybe free gear if your lucky

Bighands

04-20-2006, 11:10 AM

If NCSoft demonstrates that they will indeed ban for making ebay purchases then people would stop doing it, or at the very least it would slow down.

I mean for a while there, you could wander around and spot a pretty large number of tagged mains that seemed to be on autopilot. They made an example of a bunch of people, and since then, it's pretty rare to actually see a tagged main on auto. Sure there's some being P/Led, but almost none on full auto.

Same thing with the ebabies.
Run through, ban the worst 200 from each server, word will spread that they're cracking down, and all but the most hard core will knock that [censored] off.

Kittyhunter

04-20-2006, 12:25 PM

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Yea i can confirm that, we had a few guys who saw them on AI a few months ago.

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What you can confirm is only part of that statement, which is them lvling on AI. But this does not mean they were p lvled by OZ. Its just stupid for ppl to even think that.

Durgoth

04-20-2006, 12:28 PM

I didnt even see the Oz part tbh. I couldn't really either way what they do, but ill clarify. Saw them being P'leveled by some higher MS members, as well as DK's.

Kittyhunter

04-20-2006, 12:31 PM

:D thats all i wanted :D

arigo

04-20-2006, 12:38 PM

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Sad to say but the only way I think this game could get rid of farmers is to either increase drop rates or make it like some of the other MMORPG games out where you can buy Adena right from NCSoft.

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I'm actually surprised L2 wasn't the first game for this to be implemented in, being that Raoul Kim was the first person I ever saw quoted on wanting to move in that direction with MMOs.

I hate the idea myself and actually left the other MMO that did it - permanently and will never offer any of my money to that particular company ever again (and would leave this game and never return as well should it happen here) - but sadly, offering a means to buy through the company and play on a seperated server where your credit card is your means of in game finances may be the only way to slow down the farming on all the other servers.
It won't stop it entirely, of course. Since there seems to be no way to prove...
although I just don't understand what's so hard about setting up a GM petty account, going to "*************", setting up a purchase - getting 1 major link in the chain's game name - and then tracking from there.
Involved sure but really now that's what they're supposed to be with all this. Involved.

Anyway I think Bighands has definately has the right idea for what the server community has to do and continue doing on the frontlines while we hope that NCSoft is really doing what they can and looking for ever better ways to do what they need to on the backside.

Tannis

04-20-2006, 12:42 PM

I dont see how hard it can be to **** the RB Farmers...

We all know the only people with a Large Amount of SA crystals to sell is LS/RR and the Dwarf Shouting WTS them in Giran is the place to start...

Seller, ---Supplier, --- Farmer Making them...

Track Items and Adena from all acounts that have contact with the Supplier/Supplier and Farmers, Trace the items and Adena that branch off of them to all the other accounts where they end up... Ban everyone that has contact with them making large adena Transfers...

This gets rid of the Farmers making the Money, the ones holding the items, the ones selling the items, and the ones buying the items...

NCsoft will make money again, because the Farmers will just start making new accounts...

and I agree with Lick, if there is already a problem with in game items being bought with real world cash, then NCSoft might as well sell it and Cash in.

Sell it cheap.

See this also Fixs the other problem, People are already cheating. By buying Adena, Items or PLing service... Atleast if they sold Adena everyone would be on an even playing field for the most part... We would all be able to buy it, and not just the people willing to risk getting a mule account Banned...

I think we can all agree that the Farmers mess up our playing by killing all the Raid Bosses and selling those items and adena to the Cheaters, but we have all learned to deal with them killing in Cats and Necros or other places. If they would only get real world cash for PL'ing people thats fine with me...

Makes it easier for me to kill people that never played their account...

Nanashi_Naomhan

04-23-2006, 10:11 PM

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Its like saying we don't need any police if everyone would stop breaking the law,

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need less police if you make the penalty for stealing a loaf of bread death!!

right now i can go ebay 2 billion adena
tele to each town and shout i just ebayed 2 billion
come on the official forums and announce i ebayed 2 billion
i guarantee after doing all that i would not get banned

untill NC stops giving ebayers a free pass, the second some noob has trouble buying his A grade he'll just keep going to uncle IGE to rack up some more frequent flyer miles

LickNMeLollypop

04-24-2006, 04:23 AM

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need less police if you make the penalty for stealing a loaf of bread death!!

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In theory this works but in reality it doesn't. You get your hands cut off for stealing in many middle eastern countries yet people do it all the time and are getting their hands cut off. Just like certain states that have death penalties yet continue to have murders.

I'm not saying increased penalties would not help the situation at all but I am quite sure it will not solve the problem and most definately not eliminate it.

Bighands

04-24-2006, 04:40 AM

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need less police if you make the penalty for stealing a loaf of bread death!!

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In theory this works but in reality it doesn't. You get your hands cut off for stealing in many middle eastern countries yet people do it all the time and are getting their hands cut off. Just like certain states that have death penalties yet continue to have murders.

I'm not saying increased penalties would not help the situation at all but I am quite sure it will not solve the problem and most definately not eliminate it.

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Can't really compare it to hand cutting off and death penalty, because while many people argue that they are deterrents, in reality they are just punishments.

In the case of ebaying, it would be more applicable to ask, "Do you think the murder rate would go up if there was absolutely no penalty for killing, or would the theft rate go up if the law against it was totally unenforced?"

Of course, the both would. Certainly some people would not steal or kill, just because it isn't in their nature, but there are probably plenty of people that would partake if there were aboslutely no penalty.

Same thing with ebay. Because the rule is unenforced, it is basically an epidemic. Now, suppose they began enforcing the rule. Yes, a whole bunch of people would stop and never do it again. Certainly there would still be some, but I'd bet the vast majority would knock it off if they knew without a doubt that they would be caught and banned within a few weeks.

LickNMeLollypop

04-24-2006, 04:53 AM

What I am trying to point out is that its the community of Lineage 2 people to blame for the ebay problem for having general acceptance of it. You think that making the penalties more severe will eliminate the problem and I don't think it will. It may help a little but I am unconvinced that it will eliminate it. Look at how the botting scenario works. Everyone knows that if you get caught botting you will be banned (and rightfully so!) but there are many who continue to do it. You act like it will be a huge deterrent and will solve the problems and I just think that is wishful thinking.

Look at how many of your states have the death penalty for committing murder yet still have high murder rate. Whats your explanation for that?

Compare murder rate per capita of cities in the states that have death penalties to say City of Toronto (4 million). Canadians have one of the least strict legal system yet have one of the lowest crime rates. Not trying to put country vs country, just trying to point out that just increasing penalties does not always have desired results.

To speak for just myself, yeah sure, if I knew I was gonna get banned for ebaying then I would not do it, seems like the common sense thing to do but L2 community is just like every other community, not always full of people with common sense...

Bighands

04-24-2006, 05:33 AM

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What I am trying to point out is that its the community of Lineage 2 people to blame for the ebay problem for having general acceptance of it. You think that making the penalties more severe will eliminate the problem and I don't think it will. It may help a little but I am unconvinced that it will eliminate it. Look at how the botting scenario works. Everyone knows that if you get caught botting you will be banned (and rightfully so!) but there are many who continue to do it. You act like it will be a huge deterrent and will solve the problems and I just think that is wishful thinking.

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There were ALOT more people botting their tagged mains prior to that last round of mass bannings. IMO the number of people botting has gone down significantly since NCSoft demonstrated that they can and will ban people even if they are high lvl.
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Look at how many of your states have the death penalty for committing murder yet still have high murder rate. Whats your explanation for that?

Compare murder rate per capita of cities in the states that have death penalties to say City of Toronto (4 million). Canadians have one of the least strict legal system yet have one of the lowest crime rates. Not trying to put country vs country, just trying to point out that just increasing penalties does not always have desired results.

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We really shouldn't argue this here, but wth. Unless you can remove every other variable that might affect the per capita murder rate, this argument is worthless. For all we know, there's something in the water that makes people kill more in certain areas than in others. I can say for 100% certain that if there was zero penalty for murder that the murder rate would go up everywhere. I am 100% positive that if people knew that they could kill another person with absolutely no penalty (as is the case with ebaying) that there would be a helluva lot more murders. (as there are ebayers)
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To speak for just myself, yeah sure, if I knew I was gonna get banned for ebaying then I would not do it, seems like the common sense thing to do but L2 community is just like every other community, not always full of people with common sense...

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There will always be people who feel that they will "get away with it" and they will therefore cheat. They represent one end of the community. At the other end, we have the people who will never cheat regardless of how harsh the penalties are, or even if the rules are totally unenforced, these people are going to play by the rules regardless. In the middle, we have a large number of people who will cheat if they think they can get away with it, but they would not risk their account if they seriously thought they might get banned. This middle group is in the majority. Right now, the middle group is ebaying, because as everyone knows, they aren't gonna do [censored] to you for it anyhow.

Now, if NCSoft came through and gave a nice 7 dayer and a warning, then the attitude of that middle group might change too: If I ebay I'll prolly get banned, since it's not worth risking my account, I think i'll pass. The cheaters will still cheat, the straight players will still play it straight.

If you take away that many of the farmers customers, we'll see a significant drop in the number of farmers.

LickNMeLollypop

04-24-2006, 05:51 AM

I still think that increasing drop rates for items/adena, making different ways to get SA crystals and offering Adena for sale directly through NCSoft would be an easier more effective way to get rid of farmers. The last option reserved for a last ditch effort of course.

L2Girl

04-24-2006, 06:07 AM

LickNMeLollypop

04-24-2006, 06:19 AM

Its funny that people think we have ties to the RB farmers or get any kind of assistance from them even tho we had to switch to dusk to try to get some SA crystals and pk the RB farmers or get pk'd by them ourselves. I guess some people wish to blame all their ingame problems on their enemies.

Bighands

04-24-2006, 08:09 AM

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I still think that increasing drop rates for items/adena, making different ways to get SA crystals and offering Adena for sale directly through NCSoft would be an easier more effective way to get rid of farmers. The last option reserved for a last ditch effort of course.

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I agree man, part of the problem is a design flaw of the game.

IMO they built the game to be a contest between clans/alliances. Not just a PvP contest, but a contest for resources, contest to see who has better PvE skills, an economic contest, and a contest to control specific things (quest bosses, quest areas, etc, etc). By PvE skills I mean, if my clan is better at making XP than your clan, in a war we can come out the victors, by costing you more xp, in the long run, we level faster.. that type of thing.

What happens is the people who can't/don't want to compete on all of those levels just cheat at the one's they don't care for. (P/L, ebay, etc, etc)

It seems like a good idea to raise the drop rates, make portions of the game (PvE, economy, etc,etc) easier, or even have NCSoft sell accounts, items, adena themselves, but if you strip the game down to straight PvP, it's just not that great of a game, it's decent, but not great.

That is the quandry there. In theory we should be having great PvP fights to get access to Lilith, Baium, TOI Blueprints, good spoils, etc, etc. I think when they designed it they thought that bottleknecking the resources would create conflict between players, which is alot of fun. (FG fights in the old days.. those were over a good XP spot right, even the AL lockdown was fun for many, over an XP spot and good drops)

What's happened now though? The farmers have taken control of areas, setup farmer crews to farm those supposedly hard to get resources and flooded the market, or whatever else. The end result, is that a large portion of the competition between players has been lost. In addition, all of those 24/7 farmers have skewed the economy in such a way that for NCSoft to keep inflation in check they have consistently lowered the drop rate so that it's not nearly as much fun as it should be for a regular player.

MasterOfKittens

04-24-2006, 08:16 AM

I dont know what they want from me Lick, its like the more money we come across the more problems we see! :confused:

LickNMeLollypop

04-24-2006, 08:22 AM

Mo' Money, Mo' Problems yo!

Corriam

04-24-2006, 08:34 AM

I've been reading this thread for awhile now and I too agree that the retail Lineage 2 admins have to do something about these RB farmers (Magic Sword alliance for sure++)

But after re-reading these posts doesnt it seem kinda redundant to keep posting about the same problem over and over, we've given our opinions to the forum readers, to the forums admins and to the other NC staff that read these posts. In all of this I'd like to think the staff at NCSoft are their to supply a game for challenge, fun and for some profit(obviously) but if they turn a blind eye to our complaints like RB farmers, ebayers and botters doesnt that just prove it useless to complain in the first place?

dont hate me for what i just said, but it seems more and more likely that NCSoft is just out for your money in general and supplying their users with little to no assistance to real problems in their own game.

All we can do for now is keep PKing the crap outta the RB farmers, trying to keep em on the losing dawn/dusk sides and hope to heck that NCSoft does something to stop the RB farmers (if that be banning most of them or making quests/items available through other means).

thank you for reading

Fio

04-24-2006, 08:44 AM

I agree on some points. Granted I don't voice much about the Boss farmers. But, let says that something is done about them, they are banned etc.

Won't they just return in a few weeks with new fresh characters? That seems to be the trend when farmers (or players :o) who get the ban hammer?

MilleFeuille

04-24-2006, 09:00 AM

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Mo' Money, Mo' Problems yo!

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LOL ****it now I have to go listen to that song!

Johnboy

04-24-2006, 09:03 AM

increased drop rates + some changes at toi quest would solve alot problems in a very short time.
when u dont need alot months of grinding for 1 craft.. ppl wouldnt buy expensive keymats/recipes from "farmers", or just ebuy the whole dam thingi.
to know thats still like impossible to get some "highend content" of the game makes alot ppl lazy.
watching the last chronicles ... drops going more and more rare and all the "eulaviolators" need lesser time after evry banhammer to get back to their "business"....
and if there other ways to get SA crys / helmets / whatever ...
im sure ppl would do

Dav

04-25-2006, 06:46 AM

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Couldn't put it better myself Bighands. I am quite sure the Devs had planned on it without the farmer factor. Because farmers will NEVER be removed from game entirely (its the truth whether you like it or not) then NCSoft should provide different ways to get to our endgame. I would like to see a GM response saying they are working to do something about this. (dunno if they already responded to Raid Boss farmer issue or not yet)

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Since they haven't banned them yet, I'll just assume that they haven't been able to catch them commiting any bannable offenses.

That means in their (NCSoft's) eyes they are doing what any well organized group of players could do. ok ok, so it would have to be an extremely well organized group of players who never ever sleeps. ROFL.

You did touch on something though. Either NCSoft has to step up and make a really huge effort to control the farmers, or they need to start taking them into consideration at the design and development level in order to insure that the regular players still find the game to be fun.

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I'm sure a few of you have thought about this already...

But it's no longer a question of botting anymore. It''s the simple fact that the chars are online and moving around/farming bosses all day long. 24/7... this is OBVIOUSLY account sharing. And that's a bannable offence according to their own EULA.

I really do not see any problems to legally ban these farmers. I only see NCsoft being greedy and wanting to keep the money flowing to them from the farmer's accounts. I'd say ban all the IP's that have ever been on those accounts. This will solve a few problems. (Of course the accounts themselves need to be banned too.)

So in short, they are commiting a bannable offence day in day out. Ban them!

(I lost my faith a long time ago when I petitioned a bot down in a lowbie area like 25 times in 3-4 days... and I'm still seeing him down there. Yes yes, I was naive and noobish. I had to find out the hard way bots don't get banned.)

Smardoaik

04-25-2006, 08:29 AM

don't worry if u can count the number of farmers/bots on the map u will see that it's bigger than the number of players , and this means $$$ to u know who.

Nanashi_Naomhan

04-25-2006, 11:09 PM

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and offering Adena for sale directly through NCSoft would be an easier more effective way to get rid of farmers.

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thats an instant fix that would lower the other adena sites down to epic prices
problem is ige will start chargeing 20c per mil then nc charges 10

im guessing at about 20c per mil true farmers will start haveing trouble turning a profit (or at least make more profit elsewhere)
but do you really want to play a game where the top end clan hall would cost your opposition a few dollars each?

granted not everyone playing lineage is a multi-millionaire in real life, but when even the poorest of players can just cancell their account for a month and put the account fees towards adena....
do you really want to play a game where for a few dollars you can avoid days or months of farming?
all we would be left with is a mindless grind and pvp that is far from balanced
surely that sounds more like counter strike than a hardcore mmorg

and BTW if nc starts selling adena they better automatically turn every 60+ WS into a lvl 70 necro and every 70+ WS into a lvl 78 necro with a 60+ SPS or H.E sub
the only thing a ws does is make adena (not that they do it well) and when you could just spend 1 hour of your wage to get the sorta adena it would take weeks to make theres no point for the class to exist

for all the clans that are currently warring MS i recommend you make your primary target the tank and the bishops
if we can delvl the bishops by 10 lvls their heals wont be so uber anymore
and for every lvl bigtank loses thats less pdef/mdef he can use to tank the bosses, not to mention he's not getting much xp per raid so eventually the farmers will have to take him outside town to earn back the xp

NightWitch

04-26-2006, 01:17 AM

How should a Player even get the materials needed? I hit 52 and saved every Material i could get, but still havent enough to craft even a Zubai Helmet. Weapons this Level have 5 to 10 times the Materialrequirement of armor, so i see no way to get the Materials without mindless Farmmachines having the nerve to be at one spot for weeks. A real player doing this would take on every characteristica of an Automatation after a short Time.

So up the Material drops and spoils to a level a player could get enough of them to craft at least the Armors, and a Bountyhunter should be able to supply Materials for the Weapons.

The Raidbossfarming is on another Level. Since there should be a competition. It couldnt be in the best interest of the Professionals to control the Raidbosses and therefor make an element of the Game unaccassible. Sure It gives them Full control over the market, but if 50% of my Endgame would be locked away from me i would rather seek a new Game.

So perhaps there is a diplomatic Option like rotating the Bosses betwen Farmers and evryone else. Like one week Pro, next week Open with every PvP option between competing Alliances open.

Falexi

Gregus

04-26-2006, 06:01 AM

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How should a Player even get the materials needed? I hit 52 and saved every Material i could get, but still havent enough to craft even a Zubai Helmet. Weapons this Level have 5 to 10 times the Materialrequirement of armor, so i see no way to get the Materials without mindless Farmmachines having the nerve to be at one spot for weeks. A real player doing this would take on every characteristica of an Automatation after a short Time.

So up the Material drops and spoils to a level a player could get enough of them to craft at least the Armors, and a Bountyhunter should be able to supply Materials for the Weapons.

The Raidbossfarming is on another Level. Since there should be a competition. It couldnt be in the best interest of the Professionals to control the Raidbosses and therefor make an element of the Game unaccassible. Sure It gives them Full control over the market, but if 50% of my Endgame would be locked away from me i would rather seek a new Game.

So perhaps there is a diplomatic Option like rotating the Bosses betwen Farmers and evryone else. Like one week Pro, next week Open with every PvP option between competing Alliances open.

Falexi

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If you killed the mobs that dropped the mats you needed you could probably get the majority of the mats for atleast the helmet.

Johnboy

04-26-2006, 06:50 AM

If you killed the mobs that dropped the mats you needed you could probably get the majority of the mats for atleast the helmet.

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last time i tried to get 8 brighelms designs with an mage alt,
it needs ~2750 mobs ... and char was lvl 44 at the end,
no more need for that helmet :p

thats one of the major problems in LII, drop rates to low and drop tables just silly...
~40 mobs for D, ~50 - 60 mobs for C, .....
without all those "farmers" most ppl still in B at 7x+
may NC forget that real players cant 24/7 :o

cant understand why NC dont fix the tables from annoying to possible, add some quest ++. look arround in giran, prices are mad , economy is down ..
it would switch all the little progz sitting there with keymats to "non profitable"...

Gregus

04-26-2006, 11:19 AM

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If you killed the mobs that dropped the mats you needed you could probably get the majority of the mats for atleast the helmet.

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last time i tried to get 8 brighelms designs with an mage alt,
it needs ~2750 mobs ... and char was lvl 44 at the end,
no more need for that helmet :p

thats one of the major problems in LII, drop rates to low and drop tables just silly...
~40 mobs for D, ~50 - 60 mobs for C, .....
without all those "farmers" most ppl still in B at 7x+
may NC forget that real players cant 24/7 :o

cant understand why NC dont fix the tables from annoying to possible, add some quest ++. look arround in giran, prices are mad , economy is down ..
it would switch all the little progz sitting there with keymats to "non profitable"...

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make a scavanger?