Why we will never see swimsuits and underwear...

[Kyaara]

Hello all,

I dunno if this matter is obsolete... I recently have learned that the players of Lineage 2 playing on the North American servers will probably never see swimsuit fashion and underwear.

Why? Because our servers are North American servers and so they fall under the jurisdiction of North American laws...

There are some statements (sorry I don't have the sources available) which explain the loss of seeing swimsuits and underwear in Lineage 2 NA:

- The majority of North American players is considered "immature"
- NC Soft would have problems in "censoring" certain looks
- Offering underware and swimsuits is considered to be sexist

... and so on.

Well, what should I think and say about this??? Excuse me!?! Censorship??? What the heck would be worth of censoring??? I have had a look at the Korean servers (oh yes, Korea has swimsuits and underware since C2), and trust me, there is nothing that should be censored... I mean, you even don't see a nipple or something similar!

But... what should I have expected? People claim the censoring of Disney's Little Mermaid Ariel because she is supposed to have too large "shells"... OH... MY... GOD!!!

Oh... and yes, I DO now that swimsuits and underwear is not really necessary for character efficiency or the gameplay. BUT... it would offer some more spice to the game and it would upvalue the style of the game.

Well, that's all to say from my point of view. I really would like to see some comments on this.

Yours, Kyaara

PS: I have edited this post becasue certain people felt grandly insulted by my so called "freedom of speech and expression."

[Splatter]

I view it as just another thing to spend money on... a fad if you must. The only people that really push hard for it is a bunch of oversexed teenaged males.

I mean, really ladies would you be interested in seeing a bunch of bare chested male toons?

[Caleria]

Welcome to the land of the free and the land of the brave... but this is getting off topic I guess ;)

Cal

[Malkavian]

/agree
whats the point of vanity items? Add in some more variety of top armor/weapons. All everyone uses anyway.

[Splatter]

So tell me.... As a woman, would you like to see a bunch of bare chested male toons?

[Splatter]

Lets take this discussion a different route.

If we get swimwear and my orc can walk around barechested in just a pair of trunks. I feel that the women should be able to disarm their tops. ;)

[Zhanig]

Depends I would think, Rodney DangerField or Vin Diesel????

Oh, and then we get hairy or smooth, six pack or flab. Oh, the images this burns into the mind are sick, sick I tell you.

They could put these into the game, just no images, like the helmets. This is about more than censorship. Hell, even the Sports Ilistraged swim suit issue can be bought by anyone at any age. There is absolutely nothing they do in here that is that bad at all.

Besides, how is one to fish in full armor. Doesn't it smell of fish guts after a while???

[RealDiem]

Well, not all of us want these stuff to do nasty things at night. I just love some of the outfits since they r just nice. I know from a friend whos name i forgot that he used his client to see what is really in the utx files but just locked for NA. Its not just underwear, there r nice training dresses aswell (some look like robes look on human male mystics, just for other races).

[Caleria]

Screenshots or tutorial. :)

Cal

[Schmusekatze]

Bare chested Human male or Orc male... Might be nice.

Bare chested gender-challenged Elfies ? --> Instant Account termination for loss of sight.

Blind Kitten

[Malkavian]

well, judging by the male Orc avadon robes on my OL....Orc mystics have no nipples. Interesting Tidbit, just wanted to share.

[Kyaara]

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So tell me.... As a woman, would you like to see a bunch of bare chested male toons?

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Its not about bare chested male toons ;) I just like to see nice fashion for different purposes. I really would like to get some people from my clan, visiting a nice beach near Innadril Castle, just having a nice bath in the sun ;) What I also miss is some all-day street wear... I mean it's nice running around shopping in Giran with formal wear, hehehe.

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Well, not all of us want these stuff to do nasty things at night. I just love some of the outfits since they r just nice. I know from a friend whos name i forgot that he used his client to see what is really in the utx files but just locked for NA. Its not just underwear, there r nice training dresses aswell (some look like robes look on human male mystics, just for other races).

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And this is what sucks most! Why are we not allowed to see and use the nice stuff other Lineage users have? What is the reason for the Lineage 2 NA producers to censor stuff? I do not need people telling me what is good for me and what not.

Well, I am sure we can talk about that all day long, it won't change anyway. Seriously dealing with paying customers is not part of NCs politics...

[PrivatePancak3s]

naked male dorfs plz

[RogueAssassin]

Uh, underwear and cloaks haven't been added in Korea either. It's not just some sort of NA censorship issue. As for the rest.. have you seen what characters in WoW look like when you take off all of their armor and clothing?

There's not reason why underwear can' be used here. Seriously.

[Elrohir]

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naked male dorfs plz

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Eye bleach, please.

*ralph*

[Sovrath]

That's lovely, but how far is too far?

One person's "freedom of speech and expression" is another person's grand insult.

Besides, we all know that in many ways the U.S. is a bit prudish about sex but not so much on violence. Just the way we developed. Sorry... but if you look at the history of this country that would be apparent.

I don't know what this underwear looks like so I can't comment as to whether it is worse than some of the stuff already in game.

However, if you really want to apply yourself to freedom of speech or expession, then there are plenty of real places where you can have an outlet for your passion.

People are dying in the Ivory Coast
Women are having their rights challenged in many places in the world
There are starving children in the 3rd world

I don't know... just get a globe and spin it and you will find an area where people are really suffering. All you have to do is put your passion where your mouth is and go make a difference.

This way, instead of fighting for the right to wear swimsuits in a video game you will make a real and true difference in some poor oppressed person's lives :)

[Elrohir]

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People are dying in the Ivory Coast
Women are having their rights challenged in many places in the world
There are starving children in the 3rd world

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Good morning, Sunshine! :p

[Caleria]

If I'd actually go around and look at the world and see what I can do to make it a better place I'd probably just turn insane considering how little that would be.


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So do they have swimsuits in Korea or not?

Cal

[Kyaara]

Sovrath... I am sure your post is meant candid, drawing attention to yourself...

You obviously missed the point.

This is a video game related forum and so I will continue pointing out video game related topics... in this case, a Lineage 2 related topic. If I want to talk about real life issues like those you had mentioned in your out of place post, I will for sure switch to another, more adapted forum. And btw.: YOU should do the same...

For I have related to my personal opinion about a possible connection of NA politics to a potential issue of censorship, I underestand why you (and maybe other readers, too) react that way. Do not get me wrong, I do not turn a blind eye on issues like the Ivory Coast etc., but as I mentioned before, we are takling VIDEO GAME ISSUES here.

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I don't know... just get a globe and spin it and you will find an area where people are really suffering. All you have to do is put your passion where your mouth is and go make a difference.

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This topic is neither meant to resolve global problems, nor to discuss them.

[Sovrath]

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People are dying in the Ivory Coast
Women are having their rights challenged in many places in the world
There are starving children in the 3rd world

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Good morning, Sunshine! :p

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And another thing, there are too many states... please eliminate 3.

p.s. I am not a kook :p

[Lord Chaos]

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The only people that really push hard for it is a bunch of oversexed teenaged males.

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1. I am not a teenager.
2. I might be oversexed, because my wife keeps me happy ^^
3. Yes, I am a male, last I checked, there is nothing wrong with being a male.

[Lord Chaos]

No Lineage 2 version has underwear, swimsuits or otherwise. The screenshots you see of swimsuits, underwear or otherwise are from illegal client patches that either enable them (yes, the client actually does have underwear, its just disabled in all countries) or added playermade textures. Heck, you can even go nude. :D

[Sovrath]

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Sovrath... I am sure your post is meant candid, drawing attention to yourself...

You obviously missed the point.

This is a video game related forum and so I will continue pointing out video game related topics... in this case, a Lineage 2 related topic. If I want to talk about real life issues like those you had mentioned in your out of place post, I will for sure switch to another, more adapted forum. And btw.: YOU should do the same...

For I have related to my personal opinion about a possible connection of NA politics to a potential issue of censorship, I underestand why you (and maybe other readers, too) react that way. Do not get me wrong, I do not turn a blind eye on issues like the Ivory Coast etc., but as I mentioned before, we are takling VIDEO GAME ISSUES here.

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I don't know... just get a globe and spin it and you will find an area where people are really suffering. All you have to do is put your passion where your mouth is and go make a difference.

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This topic is neither meant to resolve global problems, nor to discuss them.

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I can appreciate your opinion and your response.

However I felt that there was a certain passion to this issue that seemed out of place for swimsuits in a video game. Especially when you invoke the idea of cencorship.

My post was not out of place given that you added that comment given that it is just a video game.

It is a Video Game where this version is based in the United States.

What if the game was based in Jordan? Would their rules of propriety be any more sacred?

I very much respect that you want to take advantage of all that the L2 Universe has to offer. However, given what I took as to be a very impassioned plea, again.. .with the whole cencorship thing, it seemed that your zeal should and could be used in a way where it would be appreciated.

Listen, we are the U.S. We are not perfect. We have issues as much as anyone/anywhere else. We have race issues, sexism issues etc.

So of course any game based in the U.S. is just going to have to follow those rules. Look at it this way. There are people here who think we are much too prudish and there are people here who think we are ***** and Gomorah (spelling?)

I don't know what to say but I'm sorry... we are what we are. Our laws try to cover and protect everyone. And I know it's hard for people to understand sometimes but in a country where we try to acknowledge, sometimes with less than stellar results, everyone's freedom "to be" sometimes somone gets restricted.

So... more to the point. Bathing Suits or Underwear.

I don't think we should have them. Or more so, underwear as I feel it is a bit sophmoric. Titilation for no real sake. I can see that for real on any number of other sites that will give me more of a thrill.

But for a video game? Especially one where young adults are just discovering their sexuality? How many times have we seen the dark elf bend over before we realize "been there/done that".

[Elrohir]

Don't feel bad, Sov. Other "enlightened" nations have nutty censorship laws as well.

PM me if you wanna here one about Germany I ran into.

Gratz on 73!

[Fowyn]

I don't know why Ncsoft never introduced underwear and cloaks. As far as I remember there was never an official comment.

The funny thing is that some armor parts on female human and dark elven fighters look like thongs (difference is slim to none in my opinion). I once had posted a screenshot on a similiar topic. I had scaled it down to avoid censorship but the thread seem to have dissappeared.

Maybe Ncsoft want to avoid that youngsters harass other players while running around in their underpants. It would also look strange to see Giran crowded with dwarfs in their pants or to get owned by a silver ranger who wears only briefs.

[Winona_]

I'm unsure how underwear is any worse than some of the armour/robe designs in the game already.

I'm always amused how parents freak out if their kids see a little too much cleavage, but have no problem buying them Grand Theft Auto, Doom, or Medal of Honor or letting them watch horror/war movies.

Nipples bad.
Decapitations and headshots good.

That makes no sense. US parents are morons. (and yes, I'm in the US).


Give me the full game please. I'm tired of feeling like I'm still playing a beta version of the game. Finish the **** thing.



(Oh and by the way, has anyone here played Guild Wars, the other NCSoft game that does show characters in underwear? WTH?)

[Lord Chaos]

The same reason why it was not introduced in Korea, they thought it would not work with teen rating/young for the game. They also felt it would be too controversial.

NCSoft could have with one brilliant stroke solved alot of problems and simply allow character modelling.

[Lord Chaos]

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(Oh and by the way, has anyone here played Guild Wars, the other NCSoft game that does show characters in underwear? WTH?)

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I found that ironic too.

The whole GTA mess was a hillarious disaster too..."oh little jimmy, what are you doing?"

"Oh nothing mom, just running down the beach, cutting up women with my chainsaw, then stealing a car, running over some cops, then driveby shooting some old ladies, then driving downtown to check on my gambling casino, then when all that is over I am going to visit my girlfriend and we're going to make lov.."

"WHAT?????? You mean you're making love in a computer game!!????? Who made this game? Aren't they aware that this kind of thing corrupts the minds of our precious youth???? I am so going to sue them..ALL FOR YOU JIMMY!"

"but mom....."

[Splatter]

I tend to believe in the other route.

That all the women would be flocking to the male orc melees, and that would cause jealousness in all the other male races and NC just doesnt want that to happen.

So face it us orcs are beefcakes...

/Flex :D

[Raensleyar]

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I'm always amused how parents freak out if their kids see a little too much cleavage, but have no problem buying them Grand Theft Auto, Doom, or Medal of Honor or letting them watch horror/war movies.

Nipples bad.
Decapitations and headshots good.

That makes no sense. US parents are morons. (and yes, I'm in the US).


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Actually there is a legitimate reason for this, even if it is fallacious. By engaging in video game violence or by watching violent movies, this can serve as a cathartic relief that prevents actual violent acting out; in contrast, watching sexually oriented content stirs the libido and can result in sexual acting out.

Whereas one has the effect of repressing behavior, the other is more likely to encourage it.

For example, even as a parent myself, I have no problem buying a GI Joe figure, but I would never buy an overly sexualized Bratz doll.

[obsidian]

Considering this is an english translation of a Korean interview of C5:

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Q: When will see capes and underwear?
A: It's been delayed. We're still thinking of it but it didn't fit with the plans for this chronicle.

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It's pretty obvious that it has nothing to do with NA vs Korea; no version has it.

[Sovrath]

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Don't feel bad, Sov. Other "enlightened" nations have nutty censorship laws as well.

PM me if you wanna here one about Germany I ran into.

Gratz on 73!

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Lol.. thx... made sure I did not log off yesterday until I got it. Onward to 74!!!

As far as the whole underwear and capes thing.

Capes... as long as they don't cause significant lag, then I could care less one way or another.

Underwear. As a person, don't really care though it does seem to be extremely frivolous and a bit "too much". Or more to the point. If it is just "underwear" then no big deal. If it is **** lingerie then that just seems to me to be a bit too adolescent.

However, in no way do I think women wearing lingerie in an appropriate forum is wrong, bad or unwanted.

So I suppose it is just subjective. Perhaps I answered the original poster with as much zeal as she (he?) seemed to have and that may have been too much. Sorry about that.

But really, give our Dark elf maidens Lingerie and then have some kid repeat the bending over thing 80 million times. I just don't have the strength for that.

I won't even touch the Dwarf women. (hmmm... joke their somewhere :p )

[EllieBelly]

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So tell me.... As a woman, would you like to see a bunch of bare chested male toons?

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Yes XD

[Sovrath]

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So tell me.... As a woman, would you like to see a bunch of bare chested male toons?

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Yes XD

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Even if they looked like Gilbert Gottried? (http://www.bostonist.com/attachments/boston_jon/Gottfried-Gilbert.jpg)

[PleChan]

They defetively should add swimsuits to the game :) and make them somewhat usefull ^^ like +50% swim speed :) ( OK :P maby not THAT usefull but still usefull :P )

And ofcorse they need ot make sure to add texture to it :) aka auto jump in swimsuit while your in water ^^.

[Elrohir]

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So tell me.... As a woman, would you like to see a bunch of bare chested male toons?

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Yes XD

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Especially your own male toon, right? :p

[Lord Chaos]

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If it is **** lingerie then that just seems to me to be a bit too adolescent.

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As opposed to what?

The bikini armors we have now? the BDSM outfits DE's have?

[Splatter]

It's all just a conspiracy to keep my male nude Orcness hidden i tell you! :p

[Sovrath]

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If it is **** lingerie then that just seems to me to be a bit too adolescent.

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As opposed to what?

The bikini armors we have now? the BDSM outfits DE's have?

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Oh... don't get me wrong... I think those are a bit like some 14 year old's fantasy warrior woman as well (my 14 year old self perhaps?). But the lingerie (for an online video game) is just one more step beyond the pale.

Now... I'm not saying that this type of depiction of women is bad "if" it is in a forum (not these forums :) ) where it makes sense and where people who are offended by this type of material (due to any reason... personal, religious etc) do not have to view it.

But for an online video game I do think it is a bit much. Had I a 13 year old child I might think twice about letting them near the game.

But then again, you can (and it has already been pointed out) say that there is violence and that violence is even worse than scantily clad women and orcs.

It is, true but as long as the violence stays somewhat neutral (no blood or gore, body parts flying around etc) then that seems sort of like pretend cops and robbers and I would have no real problem with it.

Now, if there was a video game where people's body parts were flying all over the place then no, I would not allow my fictional children to play it.

Do I think such games should exist? Sure. I am very for freedom of choice and should someone want to play that sort of game then more power to them as long as they don't start "living out" their violent fantasies in these games.

So then you might say, well, then why not the freedom of choice for L2 to have Lingerie. I would say that as a teen game that would be much but that adults (or teens who get permission from their parent) should be allowed to view such content.

However, in no way do I see the exclusion of this type of content as being censorship in anyway.

I hope I am conveying my true thoughts on this. I'm trying to be as "pg" as possible for these boards.

And in no way am I a prude when it comes to my own life and such material. However, I do think that a game that is accessible by young teens should not have it or should at least require a guardian's signature.

[righteousOne]

Ok I would like to see underwear and such in game not for sexual reasons these are fricken video game characters they don't exist I just want the underwear in play because its something left out that we don't get that Korea does and more p defense with another very minor peice of armor would be a plus. regardless though whats up with the capes/cloaks why haven't we seen those yet come on already

[Lord Chaos]

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I think those are a bit like some 14 year old's fantasy warrior woman as well

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Its odd alot of women likes to play lineage 2 then, isn't it?

My wife loved the armors and outfit even more than I did...heck, she was the one who wanted Zubei on her SE, to which I could only say "yes please" to :D

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Had I a 13 year old child I might think twice about letting them near the game.

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That would be one of the *last* things I'd worry about with Lineage 2.

[PleChan]

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Ok I would like to see underwear and such in game not for sexual reasons these are fricken video game characters they don't exist I just want the underwear in play because its something left out that we don't get that Korea does and more p defense with another very minor peice of armor would be a plus. regardless though whats up with the capes/cloaks why haven't we seen those yet come on already

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Korea does not have underwear, I'm sorry to tell you that, we aint left out, it's not ingame yet.

But from an few days old Q/A they said that they do have plans to implement it, it have just ben delayed.

Source for this is: http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29349

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Q: When will see capes and underwear?
A: It's been delayed. We're still thinking of it but it didn't fit with the plans for this chronicle.

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[aZZmodan]

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That's lovely, but how far is too far?

One person's "freedom of speech and expression" is another person's grand insult.

Besides, we all know that in many ways the U.S. is a bit prudish about sex but not so much on violence. Just the way we developed. Sorry... but if you look at the history of this country that would be apparent.

I don't know what this underwear looks like so I can't comment as to whether it is worse than some of the stuff already in game.

However, if you really want to apply yourself to freedom of speech or expession, then there are plenty of real places where you can have an outlet for your passion.

People are dying in the Ivory Coast
Women are having their rights challenged in many places in the world
There are starving children in the 3rd world

I don't know... just get a globe and spin it and you will find an area where people are really suffering. All you have to do is put your passion where your mouth is and go make a difference.

This way, instead of fighting for the right to wear swimsuits in a video game you will make a real and true difference in some poor oppressed person's lives :)

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I'm unsure how underwear is any worse than some of the armour/robe designs in the game already.

I'm always amused how parents freak out if their kids see a little too much cleavage, but have no problem buying them Grand Theft Auto, Doom, or Medal of Honor or letting them watch horror/war movies.

Nipples bad.
Decapitations and headshots good.

That makes no sense. US parents are morons. (and yes, I'm in the US).

Give me the full game please. I'm tired of feeling like I'm still playing a beta version of the game. Finish the **** thing.

(Oh and by the way, has anyone here played Guild Wars, the other NCSoft game that does show characters in underwear? WTH?)

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(Oh and by the way, has anyone here played Guild Wars, the other NCSoft game that does show characters in underwear? WTH?)

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I found that ironic too.

The whole GTA mess was a hillarious disaster too..."oh little jimmy, what are you doing?"

"Oh nothing mom, just running down the beach, cutting up women with my chainsaw, then stealing a car, running over some cops, then driveby shooting some old ladies, then driving downtown to check on my gambling casino, then when all that is over I am going to visit my girlfriend and we're going to make lov.."

"WHAT?????? You mean you're making love in a computer game!!????? Who made this game? Aren't they aware that this kind of thing corrupts the minds of our precious youth???? I am so going to sue them..ALL FOR YOU JIMMY!"

"but mom....."

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Well said! This whole thing with US puritanism is so stupid that its almost epic. GEEEZZZ... I mean, really, when you can make a movie with 20 people sitting in a room and all of a sudden and with no specific reason two guys come and cut them all to pieces using chainsaws, as long as everyone is dressed during it all, indicates in a very STRONG way that something's very wrong! Or is it just me? :eek:

I really wonder why it never seems to surpise us anymore that fewer people were concerned about their own country invading Afghanistan, Irak or Iran then those concerned about who was polishing Clinton's knob... For gods sake! Makes you wonder about a society's ethics, when it's OK to invade a country 10000 miles from your own, mass murdering innocent civiliants and children on the way, just to please those that put you in the position to have the power to make these decisions in the first place, but it's not OK to have your youth know about sex? For god's sake!

Do you want to make a real game? Make all characters, when not wearing any armor or clothes, naked. And when I say naked, I mean butt naked! Do Dwarves, Elves, Dark Elves, Humans and Orcs grow on trees? Or are they delivered by a Koukaboura?

P.S. Concerning Sovrath, saying that: "Besides, we all know that in many ways the U.S. is a bit prudish about sex but not so much on violence. Just the way we developed. Sorry... but if you look at the history of this country that would be apparent." I fail to see your point. If you 're saying that the US has a tendency to violence because of it's violent history, well, think again. Violent history? Ohh, please... I happen to be Greek, and I can reassure you that we've been fighting big scale wars 2000 years before Christ walked this earth. The Egyptians go way back, even more then us Greeks. And it goes on, and on... Violence? We had more wars in Europe in the span of 50 years then you will ever have (luckilly :)) So, what violent hirtory are you talking about? All this violent history, all this bloody wars, and, surprisingly, we have little to none of that "tendency to violence" that Americans seem to be showing. A lot less puritanism too, come to think of it. Now, why is that?

[devildreamer]

What about cloaks xD lol sorry I had to add my two cents in

and as for the underwear nad swimsuits from my understanding their not seen even if you strip your toom of the armor (back to the basics) there just there for something else to say you own

[aZZmodan]

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What about cloaks xD lol sorry I had to add my two cents in

and as for the underwear nad swimsuits from my understanding their not seen even if you strip your toom of the armor (back to the basics) there just there for something else to say you own

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Yes... I would very much like cloaks to come in as well... Let's hope C5 brings them :D

[devildreamer]

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What about cloaks xD lol sorry I had to add my two cents in

and as for the underwear nad swimsuits from my understanding their not seen even if you strip your toom of the armor (back to the basics) there just there for something else to say you own

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Yes... I would very much like cloaks to come in as well... Let's hope C5 brings them :D

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Drool cloaks (_8(o)~~~~

[Lord Chaos]

Underwear is in the game (1 set for each race) its just not enabled.

[Lilta_Morwen]

I'm a girl, straight, in my late twenties, and a mother, and I STILL want the swimsuits and underwear for my female DE bladedancer. And yes, I want the same for the males, thank you very much. The underwear and swimsuit stuff for the DE girl is stuff I would happily wear, they're so pretty.

Well, I adore the graphics in the game, the styles and outfits. Yes, the swimsuits are useless, and seriously, the underwear DOES add pdef (So do the cloaks) but I've seen them. The underwear for the elves currently (Lacy flimsy panties!) are FAR more revealing than the set they get wearing JUST underwear. Hells, the stuff that DE wear now show more. Not one of the swimwear is a thong.

Take a look here (http://pics.livejournal.com/cutelildrow/pic/000k7fwc)

(note: taken from the Lineage 2 ARK artbook, it's a HUGE thing...)

The only comment I have is WTH are the elf girls wearing? O.o

So yes, SWIMWEAR PLEASE and I hope there are speedos for the DE and Orc males.

oh, and a little side observation: Male orc mystics have a SERIOUS package. I found this out one day when I checked on my dwarf to find an orc with his crotch dominating my screen. <3

[Sovrath]

If they implement underwear then I want the old fashioned red underwear with the flap in the back. :)

And a chamber pot for the clan hall

[admiral_ju00]

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whats the point of vanity items?

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Since Lineage2 IS considered an MMORPG..... How about RolePlay?

[Lord Chaos]

Yeah, actually the underwear for males that is already in the client looks very good, the designers of the game took alot of time drawing good muscletones and looks.

The only thing that looked horrible was male dwarves...little fat sweaty bearded men running around in speedos :(

[Lord Chaos]

Actually, are you aware that other teen rated MMORPGs in the US has underwear and even some have swimsuits?

Even the grandaddy of MMORPGs UO has underwear and swimsuitlike armors and clothes.

[admiral_ju00]

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Oh... don't get me wrong... I think those are a bit like some 14 year old's fantasy warrior woman as well (my 14 year old self perhaps?). But the lingerie (for an online video game) is just one more step beyond the pale.

Now... I'm not saying that this type of depiction of women is bad "if" it is in a forum (not these forums ) where it makes sense and where people who are offended by this type of material (due to any reason... personal, religious etc) do not have to view it.

But for an online video game I do think it is a bit much. Had I a 13 year old child I might think twice about letting them near the game.

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Chaos already said this, but you might not have seen it, what or how much more harm can there be with the added Bikini sets when we already have Dark Elves?

How is it any different when a brand new account user makes a Dark Elf Female toon(regardless of their age), the 1st thing they see is a scanty clad femal running in a Thong looking like a Domminatrix..........

Your above statement makes no sence at all in this case.

[Ellisande]

Ok, so I see that there was some amount of time devoted to making underwear, and i could see that since it was devoted to artwork for Lineage 2 it wasn't necessarily wasted time.

But what I don't understand, is why the artist went on to draw pictures detailing human evolution at the bottom. While it might be interesting to know what the artist believes the humans of the future will look like, it's not overly pertinent to creating a model of a present human.

[Lilta_Morwen]

Took a while of staring at the pictures to understand, but the body shapes at the bottom are illustrations of scale and difference between the races/types. There are only two for the Elves, DE and Dwarves, but there are more for the Orcs and Humans. And it took more staring to realize which of the Orc Fighter types was the female.

[Lilta_Morwen]

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whats the point of vanity items?

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Since Lineage2 IS considered an MMORPG..... How about RolePlay?

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Ah, roleplay. What fun. The day we got our wedding outfits created, Gothpixie and I (me on my male SE, she on her female EE) donned them, then walked around Aden. (From Giran to Oren to Hunter's Village to Aden Castle Town) We kept getting congratulated, cheered, and then a bunch of random DEs tried to steal my bride.

Who says Roleplay is dead in L2? Not I!

[Kyaara]

Hello again...

So the US Lineage version does not differ form the Korean verion so far... good to hear. So the information I originally got may indeed have been screens from unofficial servers... however.

The reason why I started this topic was my fear for paying for a game I really like, but getting not all of it's content. The illustration posted within this topic is quite interesting to see. As I have mentioned before, I think it would upvalue the visual style of the game.

Concerning all apprehension referring teenies using their toon's animations for trying to behave immature... well we already have it (walk around a city for a while and you for sure will find some DE bending over while some dwarf standing directly behind her, repeatedly triggering some cheering animation) and I think the addition of underwear or swimsuit fashion won't change this significantly.

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Ah, roleplay. What fun. The day we got our wedding outfits created, Gothpixie and I (me on my male SE, she on her female EE) donned them, then walked around Aden. (From Giran to Oren to Hunter's Village to Aden Castle Town) We kept getting congratulated, cheered, and then a bunch of random DEs tried to steal my bride.

Who says Roleplay is dead in L2? Not I!

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That's one of the main reason why I would like to see it > the RolePlay. As I mentioned in the beginning:
Think about a bunch of people sitting around a nice spot at a beach, going swimming, chatting, having a nice day.
Think about having some summer-style all day fashion just to wear when going shopping in Giran.
And for those who like the efficiency-factor: Think about having some underwear pimping up your m.def. because your actual armor set won't...

However... think about it ;)
Yours, Kyaara

[Sovrath]

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Oh... don't get me wrong... I think those are a bit like some 14 year old's fantasy warrior woman as well (my 14 year old self perhaps?). But the lingerie (for an online video game) is just one more step beyond the pale.

Now... I'm not saying that this type of depiction of women is bad "if" it is in a forum (not these forums ) where it makes sense and where people who are offended by this type of material (due to any reason... personal, religious etc) do not have to view it.

But for an online video game I do think it is a bit much. Had I a 13 year old child I might think twice about letting them near the game.

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Chaos already said this, but you might not have seen it, what or how much more harm can there be with the added Bikini sets when we already have Dark Elves?

How is it any different when a brand new account user makes a Dark Elf Female toon(regardless of their age), the 1st thing they see is a scanty clad femal running in a Thong looking like a Domminatrix..........

Your above statement makes no sence at all in this case.

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Yes, but you missed my statement here:

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In any case, I imagine we will get this "underwear" because as someone else pointed out, some of the outfits in L2 really are just as skimpy so the lingerie might not be too much different.

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And I believe that what Kyarra just said above is true. There is already this behavior. All adding underwear will do is spark a new round of it until the novelty "wears off". (joke there somewhere ;) ) So I suppose it is what it is.

Someone else mentioned that it didn't matter because these are "graphics" and they aren't real. Well.. they are real as we can see them.

However, a thought came to me as I was going to sleep last night. one can see a completely nude person or picture and have there be absolutely no "sexually charged" energy about it.

On can then see a picture where there is a little skin, the pose is altered "just so" etc, and it could be highly charged in this manner. It really all depends on context I suppose.

However, if an NC developer were to ask me if we needed underwear then I would just say "no" as I think it's superfluous. But in the larger picture, I'm not vehemently against it either. Why?

Because I truely believe in the idea of live and let live. I really just don't care what anyone does as long as innocent people are not directly harmed or disrespected. That's the problem, There are always two disparte poles of people (with all the gray in the middle) where one side want to do whatever they want whenever they want without care for anyone but themselves and the other side which is against EVERYTHING and will go out of their way to make sure that everyone follows only their rigid set of laws and beliefs. No wonder we still have wars.

And besides, what is really worse in the scheme of things. Dark Elves walking around scantily clad or Dark Elves walking around scantily clad whose bodies really REALLY don't work with that type of outfit :p At least the inhabitants of Aden are reasonably fit (except the dwarves).

[ChuckHoboDUH]

the real reason being us USA people are obese and cant fit into them.

[aZZmodan]

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whats the point of vanity items?

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Since Lineage2 IS considered an MMORPG..... How about RolePlay?

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Ah, roleplay. What fun. The day we got our wedding outfits created, Gothpixie and I (me on my male SE, she on her female EE) donned them, then walked around Aden. (From Giran to Oren to Hunter's Village to Aden Castle Town) We kept getting congratulated, cheered, and then a bunch of random DEs tried to steal my bride.

Who says Roleplay is dead in L2? Not I!

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RP is not dead! Long live RP! :)

[aZZmodan]

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I view it as just another thing to spend money on... a fad if you must. The only people that really push hard for it is a bunch of oversexed teenaged males.

I mean, really ladies would you be interested in seeing a bunch of bare chested male toons?

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I would like, as an absolute first, to see a lady that would NOT be interested in seeing a bunch of bare chested male toons (or just plain males) :o

[Weyrand]

NCSoft published game Guild Wars has underwear - and they don't exactly look wierd or cartoony either, if that would be an argument... so it's just.. wierd.. that L2 doesn't.

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NCSoft published game Guild Wars has underwear - and they don't exactly look wierd or cartoony either, if that would be an argument... so it's just.. wierd.. that L2 doesn't.

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Yeah, it does look wierd, doesn't it?

And to go a little off topic, does anyone remember Daggerfall?

[Lord Chaos]

Yeah. that serious got kinda "nerfed" in that department too.

[aZZmodan]

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Yeah. that serious got kinda "nerfed" in that department too.

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You mean Daggerfall? Why? You could see everything... Well, from the waist up at least :)

[Lord Chaos]

They nerfed all that in Morrowind and Oblivion, lol.

Alot of outfits, clothes and armors in Daggerfall. Now its all politically correct.

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They nerfed all that in Morrowind and Oblivion, lol.

Alot of outfits, clothes and armors in Daggerfall. Now its all politically correct.

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Ohh, that's what you mean. Yeah, true.. all is political correct now.. :eek:

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That all the women would be flocking to the male orc melees, and that would cause jealousness in all the other male races and NC just doesnt want that to happen.

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yep, have to agree, all the female toons would be fawning over the orc males in heart-covered boxers, but who would the orc males really be going for? the orc females of course. becasue if they didnt, we'd beat them up.
wwypsshshhh.
on topic: i ALWAYS take my armor off when i go for a swim, dont want to get it wet, id be all for beach parties+swimmming+general socializing for no other reason than to show off swimwear (and maybe PKers would roll through occassionally). but if we do at some point get swimwear, can we get a beach ball? /trade it to someone else and it makes a slow arc in the air. while in the air it can be attacked/popped (dead beach ball can be reinflated with a rez spell/scroll) or just picked up in its dead state ^^

[Lilta_Morwen]

I'd actually flock to the scantily clad DE male, or the human guy mage, but that's just me...

As for leaving your armor on... but it's so FUN to have a DE male in full Brigadine swim along the water's surface like some kind of demented sea monster!

I <3 the beach ball idea. Make it like the dice we get. Only it bounces around and we can whack it to keep it in the air, fully targetable and makes weird funny noises like a Chrono instrument. It's activated like auto-soulshot and dismissed by removing it's auto state. Make it shaped like a monster eye! Or the Dusk moon! Or BOTH! XD :D :D :D

[KingdomForCoin]

yes wonderful ideas! i hadnt even considered different textures! and it would be quite easy i think to make it jump up a bit when hit, even if it was on the ground. just use the punch animation but it has a huge p def so it takes 0 damage. so, would it be like "summon beachball"? ^^ love it.

[Taraza]

The whole fear of sex in video games is absolutely ridiculous. ITS A GAME, a game is a form of entertainment and a form of art, NOT EVERY GAME IS MEANT TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL TOOL!!!!! It really makes no sense to me. The armors in this game are more scantily clad than a lingerie catalogue. Hell there is even NUDITY ALREADY IN THIS GAME, full breasts, nipples and all. But hey, thats in a picture frame so its 'ok', lol. Give me a break. I have played old games that weren't even rated Teen or Mature that had full female frontal nudity, only there were no details (nipples, hair, etc.). Quite honestly I don't see how that could be less offensive than swimsuits and underwear. If you ask me I'd say 80% of the censorship boards out there are old, brittle Christian elitest thinking who got molested by their preists or ***** by family members and now that anything to do with sex disturbs them they gotta [censored] it up for the rest of us. Its a sin to have a beautiful women pose nude but having an average female pose nude is ok, its art, lol, if wrong with these people.

OMG censor the stabbing and slashing, give us bikinis and underwear. Less hate and more love :)

[Lord Chaos]

Ok, maybe that statement was a bit over the top. You should edit it a bit, especially the part about the censorsship boards.

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the real reason being us USA people are obese and cant fit into them.

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Sounds like you've been to my work place!

[Lord Chaos]

On another note, when is Stabby going to don a swimsuit. :D

[Richman]

This thread has given me some ideas. :)

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This thread has given me some ideas. :)

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\o/ for Richman

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Ok, maybe that statement was a bit over the top. You should edit it a bit, especially the part about the censorsship boards.

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lol, and here you are posting AFTER the mod edited my statements >_<

I stand by what I say, censorship of the human anatomy is wrong. The ONLY thing that makes nudity 'wrong' are the NATURAL instincts of feeling and thought that many religions want to suppress, they want us to deny things that make us human, just another step toward making humans like sheep. If people find nudity wrong or offensive then they have some serious problems, sexually or psychologically.

If anyone else thinks I'm full of [censored] then explain to me why nudity is censored here in the USA?

[aZZmodan]

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Ok, maybe that statement was a bit over the top. You should edit it a bit, especially the part about the censorsship boards.

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lol, and here you are posting AFTER the mod edited my statements >_<

I stand by what I say, censorship of the human anatomy is wrong. The ONLY thing that makes nudity 'wrong' are the NATURAL instincts of feeling and thought that many religions want to suppress, they want us to deny things that make us human, just another step toward making humans like sheep. If people find nudity wrong or offensive then they have some serious problems, sexually or psychologically.

If anyone else thinks I'm full of [censored] then explain to me why nudity is censored here in the USA?

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QFT :)

[Sovrath]

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Ok, maybe that statement was a bit over the top. You should edit it a bit, especially the part about the censorsship boards.

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lol, and here you are posting AFTER the mod edited my statements >_<

I stand by what I say, censorship of the human anatomy is wrong. The ONLY thing that makes nudity 'wrong' are the NATURAL instincts of feeling and thought that many religions want to suppress, they want us to deny things that make us human, just another step toward making humans like sheep. If people find nudity wrong or offensive then they have some serious problems, sexually or psychologically.

If anyone else thinks I'm full of [censored] then explain to me why nudity is censored here in the USA?

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That's complete opinion, you do know that right?

Not that I agree or disagree... I fall somewhere in the middle.

But I promise you, there are people out there who are wholely religious, but not in some lampooned "Footloose" movie way, whose beliefs are so profound that it gives them a moral anchor so they can conduct their lives in a way that few people will ever be able to.

"These" people are not saying that others need to follow their ways but only ask that it is not thrown in their faces. Just like you would not want a complete censorship of everything you believe in.

However, if you are to live in a society then you have to balance your dealings with others. Just like those whose beliefs seem extreme to you must balance themselves as well.

I've seen the extremes on both sides and quite frankly, they are welcome to their beliefs but they are not for me.

Give me a hedonist who respects the rights of others but go their own way and I will see a person who has earned my eternal respect.

Give me a Completely devout person who lives their profound life but accepts that others are different because that is how "the supreme power" (in whatever guise one might perceive it) made them and I will give you a person who has equally earned my eternal respect.

But give me the individual of any belief who wraps themselves in the fact that what they say is "how it is" and that all others are wrong and I give you a good part of the world as it is now.

The mind AND the body are both parts of the human condition and my belief is that they both have to be taken into consideration to one extant to another but that individuals should be able to perceive what is true to them.

Sort of like a colored glass

The entirety of experience is like light hitting the the glass but only a particular wave of the light is perceivable as it catches on the surface of the glass. What is considered true is what is perceived by a particular person.

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Sort of like a colored glass

The entirety of experience is like light hitting the the glass but only a particular wave of the light is perceivable as it catches on the surface of the glass. What is considered true is what is perceived by a particular person.

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That seriously brought a tear to my eye... That was deep dude.

Anyway. I believe that anyone and everyone has the right, and the ability to have an opinion and a choice in whatever situation they are in. And our choices and daily lives are affected by every other beings choice around us. It is in our ability to deal with these choices in any way we can and mold their outcome and effect on us.

NCsoft has chosen to not implement swimsuits and underwear in their game. That choice may or may not be affected by countless millions of other choices defining moral rightness and censorship.

I personally do not care if they are implemented or not. That is my opinion. However, if anyone else has a different opinon, then so be it. They have it in their power to make choices based on NCsoft's choice. Whatever it is they choose is the way it is.

/philosopher mode off

[KingdomForCoin]

BEACH BALL!!

...and swimsuits!