Gonad, Aden, and Oren Manors!! [Archive]

Bighands

05-05-2006, 04:56 AM

I'm not sure who is running the manors for Gonad and Aden, but I'd like to request a change.

Set your buyback for Desert Coba's to 2000a and Type 2. (the same as Innandril)

This alone will alleviate a large part of the mat shortage we're having right now. The price you are currently paying is not worth it for the farmers, and I know for a fact you have a little flexibility in there.

So do us all a favor and turn that shite up! Besides, it's better to make a little less crop if you get a 100% buyback.

While you are at it...
Change Gold Coba's to buyback at 2000a and Type I (same as Heine)

This is another seed that will have a HUGE impact on the economy. Again, either no one is selling back to you or you're just getting a few leftovers. Hook it up!!

DeSalvor, I think you have one or the other, but not both of those seeds.. same thing.. Set them like I show above.

Unless your manor is way way different than mine, you'll still make plenty of money on those crops!

Thanks Everyone!

Tearoid

05-05-2006, 05:54 AM

why don't you just siege the castle and do it yourself smarty-pants?

Bighands

05-05-2006, 06:34 AM

It would be too much work to run the manors of Innandril, Aden, and Gonad all at once. ;)

Fio

05-05-2006, 06:35 AM

Oren was hijacked by terrorists!!1 :eek:

Smittie

05-05-2006, 07:04 AM

No... Oren was zerged by 21 clans :)

Prior to that it had a manor that never went down... How many days have oren manor been up since taken?

Bighands

05-05-2006, 07:31 AM

I'd say he's done better than most first time castle owners.

Word on the streets is that the current Oren manor, even with it's downtimes is better than the last one. ;)

Honestly, I haven't looked at it much, and the only reason I made this post is that I was trying to figure out what I could do at Innandril to work on the shortage of certain key mats.

Then I noticed that for over 2 months straight that we've had 100% buyback every day on Golden and Desert Coba's. (VoP and Mith Alloy)

Then I noticed that Aden and Gonad haven't bought back a single one in like 3 or 4 days..

Then I noticed that they are trying to get stupidly rich at the price they are buying those crops back.

So I figured I'd be a nice castle owner and give them a lil heads up.

So there it is..
Whoever is running Aden and Goddard.. increase your buyback price and change the crop types to the correct ones. It's good for everyone. We need those mats, the castle owner gets to produce more items, and that means more Enchant scrolls out there for everyone to buy.

It's a win-win situation.

As for the comments about Oren and the lack of defense, feel free to start another thread, I'm sure it would be an enjoyable discussion.

kutjr

05-05-2006, 07:42 AM

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No... Oren was zerged by 21 clans :)

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How would you know, there wasnt anyone there.

Im sorry for bringing a large force though. We should just let clans sit in castles that cant defend them. I just have a hard time with the A.D.D. during sieges and we end up doing mean things.

Tannis

05-05-2006, 07:57 AM

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Im sorry for bringing a large force though. We should just let clans sit in castles that cant defend them.

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So what Castles are you going to go after that Cant be defended this weekend? I heard mention that Giran and Aden cant be defended...

Nyla2004

05-05-2006, 08:03 AM

<3 Bighands! :D

Freak

05-05-2006, 08:06 AM

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<3 Bighands! :D

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We all do, some more than others.

Kami has a crush on him :o

LickNMeLollypop

05-05-2006, 09:10 AM

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Whoever is running Aden and Goddard.. increase your buyback price and change the crop types to the correct ones. It's good for everyone. We need those mats, the castle owner gets to produce more items, and that means more Enchant scrolls out there for everyone to buy.

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People still message me saying they miss the manors I ran at Aden and Dion. Kinda makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :D

Shout out to Bighands who pointed me in the right direction for info to get them started.

Durgoth

05-05-2006, 09:10 AM

Back off my boy bish's

Freak

05-05-2006, 09:18 AM

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Back off my boy bish's

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Dont worry..

Your still his boy toy... sometimes he just like to get his freak on. :eek:

Bighands

05-05-2006, 09:34 AM

DarkNai :) XXOO

As for the rest of ya.. you know I take all comers, first come first served.. and don't worry, there's plenty to go around!!

Lick - thanks man. I was telling the truth up above. Well run manors help everybody, seed farmers get mats, Castle Lords make money and get cheap items, and it trickles down from there, more enchants on the market helps some OE, and provides crystals to the SS makers. So a well run manor actually does help every person on the server, indirectly.

It's worth helping each other. :)

kutjr

05-05-2006, 09:35 AM

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So what Castles are you going to go after that Cant be defended this weekend? I heard mention that Giran and Aden cant be defended...

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Are you saying NM doesnt show up or have other people at Aden and Giran? Do you still play?

Tannis

05-05-2006, 10:09 AM

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So what Castles are you going to go after that Cant be defended this weekend? I heard mention that Giran and Aden cant be defended...

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Are you saying NM doesnt show up or have other people at Aden and Giran? Do you still play?

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Yep, Play every night...

If you Brought the same force you used to take Oren ( 21 clans ) do you really think Aden or Giran can be defended?

Bighands

05-05-2006, 10:25 AM

LOL if all 21 clans were with us, maybe.. but they weren't, ask around the only PvP there was at that siege was against the other attackers.

In fact, COW almost got the castle at the very end, and had you been there with them you'd have prolly gotten it back. oops

Fio

05-05-2006, 10:54 AM

What is with this nonsense about if you can't defend a castle you don't get it. We held Oren for sometime, and our numbers are kinda low too. But for a undefended castle, why do you bring so many? Why not a party or two? Is somebody feeling insecure? Backstabbing within the ranks? Is Sturg gonna try and take over Aden? :confused:

Bigs you have no room to talk about strategy, Mr. lets put D graders in front to waste the MP of the mages. You also play a dwarf. Republic also pawns around castles, apparently Gludio is up for grabs? Where do I take a number? And Dion was a big boo boo too, Pignation/SYN really held out against the trillions of clans that showed up, and I'm sure they deserved the castle as much as the Republic population which is a zerg, thats alot of people for those who don't know what zerg means. :o

Silly people, castles don't make your pants tighter.

Oh yeah, and that German Swordsinger Desal something: Why does Aden manner keep going down? Stellen nicht Ihre arbeiter fort gewinn? People are gonna revolt.

Durgoth

05-05-2006, 12:24 PM

Back with the D grade comments Fio? Most of them are in C grade now, if your worried about being correct.

Edit: The only reason Gludio was taken was because we had the opprotunity. Yes its up for grabs. And the reason we had our full force in Oren is because we wanted it, why would we risk not getting it by only bringing 2 or 3 clans? DOesn't seem very strategic to me. Not to mention the fact that its more fun for us if were all together.

Freak

05-05-2006, 12:34 PM

Well we all know how Fio acts. He nukes a level 20 guy and says " i owned you" LMAO

Tannis

05-05-2006, 12:57 PM

Its funny, Kewlaid Took a defended Oren with one party. as well as defended during that sieges several rushs. They did not wait till the last few min. of the siege to capture the castle. un like whats happened in more recent Sieges...

It's funny how Strategy and Zerg sound so much alike...

I might have to piss the wife off a bit and come play this weekend, even if it is her Birthday...

Hope to see some of you there...

L2Girl

05-05-2006, 01:00 PM

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I'm not sure who is running the manors for Gonad and Aden, but I'd like to request a change.

Set your buyback for Desert Coba's to 2000a and Type 2. (the same as Innandril)

This alone will alleviate a large part of the mat shortage we're having right now. The price you are currently paying is not worth it for the farmers, and I know for a fact you have a little flexibility in there.

So do us all a favor and turn that shite up! Besides, it's better to make a little less crop if you get a 100% buyback.

While you are at it...
Change Gold Coba's to buyback at 2000a and Type I (same as Heine)

This is another seed that will have a HUGE impact on the economy. Again, either no one is selling back to you or you're just getting a few leftovers. Hook it up!!

DeSalvor, I think you have one or the other, but not both of those seeds.. same thing.. Set them like I show above.

Unless your manor is way way different than mine, you'll still make plenty of money on those crops!

Thanks Everyone!

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Gonad?? O.o

<3 Biggie

Elrohir

05-05-2006, 01:09 PM

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Gonad?? O.o

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You guys have a castle named Gonad? :o

Oops, wrong server! :eek:

*Runs*

D3LETED

05-05-2006, 01:18 PM

Actually Tannis your guys got oren when the nitemare alliance left it to go attack Godard castle. You only had to kill HG who had like 13 people there which was not a zerg and it was close to the end of the siege so what are you talkin about.

Tannis

05-05-2006, 02:23 PM

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Actually Tannis your guys got oren when the nitemare alliance left it to go attack Godard castle. You only had to kill HG who had like 13 people there which was not a zerg and it was close to the end of the siege so what are you talkin about.

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Im Sorry Where did I say we took the castle from a Zerg? I said a defended castle... with doors up and everything...

I remimber us going up there with one party killing everyone, getting in the throne room. Killing 3-4 waves of respawns then taking the castle. then sitting outside defending it.

Oh and you are, who? Mr. first time to post on the forums?

Fio

05-05-2006, 02:36 PM

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Well we all know how Fio acts. He nukes a level 20 guy and says " i owned you" LMAO

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I actually hit them with my weapon.

mizuko

05-05-2006, 03:54 PM

HG was there at oren? I remember TRE being, some SoD guys and TrueForge... I thought they werent in guardiangate then... maybe they were so I guess there's your honor guardians. But your right Oren was a pretty open castle nm left to go seige goddard. But remember We still had to defend Giran... only reason we went to oren was lack of attackers at Giran. Either way 21 clans is alot guess they thought alot of LCN =(

D3LETED

05-05-2006, 04:08 PM

I was just simply stating the obvious in the way you all got the castle is all.

Who i am is not important right now in time you will know.

Smittie

05-05-2006, 09:47 PM

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I'd say he's done better than most first time castle owners.

Word on the streets is that the current Oren manor, even with it's downtimes is better than the last one. ;)

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Word on the streets?

I had all the high lvl seeds up, same prices as Aden and Giran, prolly same as Innadril too, at full buyback. If someone pmed/mailed me about changing to a specific crop reward, it was up within a day or two.Scrolls I made at Oren were sold below street price in Giran.

Now tell me how he is doing better pls.....

I havent even bothered seeding near Oren since you cant know for sure if its up....

Smittie

05-05-2006, 09:50 PM

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No... Oren was zerged by 21 clans :)

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How would you know, there wasnt anyone there.

Im sorry for bringing a large force though. We should just let clans sit in castles that cant defend them. I just have a hard time with the A.D.D. during sieges and we end up doing mean things.

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I dont care about us losing the castle to a 21 clan zerg, pls keep it... just keep the manor up pls...

And if you have the spare time.. name the alliance that can defend against that zerg...

kutjr

05-06-2006, 06:23 AM

Wow, now I know we hit a nerve.

Zerg this, zerg that.

Sounds like a lot of butt hurting going on. Bummer.

kutjr

05-06-2006, 06:28 AM

Sorry missed a couple posts.

"Why bring all those people to attack an undefended castle?"

Really thought that one through didnt you. I can see the ally chat now:
"Someone run up there and give me a count on how many defenders are there so I can organize the attackers."

We siege as a group. If you dont like it, stay out of our way. Its that simple.

You people are the biggest hypocritical little *****es I have ever seen. You sit here and tell us we should play the game the way you see it should be played. Then you flame when we play it the way we see it should be played.

We do the same thing all the rest of you are saying you do: Whatever we want.

We just do it with the average everyday guy and girl who doesnt have the time or want to grind to 78 before anyone else.

There just happens to be more common people then leetzors I guess.

Fio

05-06-2006, 07:00 AM

You should re-roll a mage Kut, you can't trash talk with a Warlord!

Smittie

05-06-2006, 07:15 AM

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Wow, now I know we hit a nerve.

Zerg this, zerg that.

Sounds like a lot of butt hurting going on. Bummer.

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I told you I dont care about us losing Oren, just keep the manor up so people can seed.

BTW, thought you were better at this whole argumenting thing than this. You completely missed out on the full text of my post and resolved to the antics of a 12 year old. Who is butthurt? What do you even mean with butthurt?

All im saying is, if you are gonna take a castle, have someone take it that can keep the manor up. Ok?

And you still havent answered the question. What ally could defend against those 21 clans?

BurninDesires

05-06-2006, 07:26 AM

the zerg ally could, o wait from what i hear you all are zerging eachother :P, and take it up ur behind like a man!, or woman <3 :P

and yes i am back to continue my spamming :P, taht i left on other forums :O

Bighands

05-06-2006, 10:33 AM

We didn't bring a zerg, we brought our regular force. Same one we've been wielding for over 3 months.

Get this.. maybe if you weren't such a bunch of little pissant farmer loving *****es you might have a friend or two to help you keep your castle. As it is your alliance has eroded into nothingness. Well.. ya still got the farmers.

See ya tonight kids. Hope you're ready to lose some xp.

:)

BurninDesires

05-06-2006, 11:10 AM

i know ya wont see me :(, dont even have a clan Xd not much for me there :), except dieing in a mad rush of burning madness but... cant have it all :), now gimme some decent manors so i can farm again :(

Smittie

05-06-2006, 11:24 AM

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We didn't bring a zerg, we brought our regular force. Same one we've been wielding for over 3 months.

Get this.. maybe if you weren't such a bunch of little pissant farmer loving *****es you might have a friend or two to help you keep your castle. As it is your alliance has eroded into nothingness. Well.. ya still got the farmers.

See ya tonight kids. Hope you're ready to lose some xp.

:)

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Your regular force is 21 clans? Sorry.. but however you look at it... 21 clans were signed up to attack, and we had 2-3 clans that could defend. Even if we were all lvl 78 (which we are not) we couldnt defend against those numbers. That's why we chose not to.

I knew we were gonna lose the castle eventually, but the point ppl were making is that we didnt defend it. With that number of attackers I don't see how anyone could.

What is it with you and farmers? A few ppl are very close friends with Revivalking, is that so wrong?

LDS was and will continue to be a nonfactor in LCN politics. We have made a new alliance coz of the ally leader being away from the game atm.. we arent eroding at all.. sure we may not be actively recruiting atm, but we are still having fun.

I guess we will see eachother tonight :)

Gregus

05-06-2006, 12:01 PM

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but the point ppl were making is that we didnt defend it.

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It wouldn't be the first time in Gustin history.

Bighands

05-06-2006, 12:18 PM

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We didn't bring a zerg, we brought our regular force. Same one we've been wielding for over 3 months.

Get this.. maybe if you weren't such a bunch of little pissant farmer loving *****es you might have a friend or two to help you keep your castle. As it is your alliance has eroded into nothingness. Well.. ya still got the farmers.

See ya tonight kids. Hope you're ready to lose some xp.

:)

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Your regular force is 21 clans? Sorry.. but however you look at it... 21 clans were signed up to attack, and we had 2-3 clans that could defend. Even if we were all lvl 78 (which we are not) we couldnt defend against those numbers. That's why we chose not to.

I knew we were gonna lose the castle eventually, but the point ppl were making is that we didnt defend it. With that number of attackers I don't see how anyone could.

What is it with you and farmers? A few ppl are very close friends with Revivalking, is that so wrong?

LDS was and will continue to be a nonfactor in LCN politics. We have made a new alliance coz of the ally leader being away from the game atm.. we arent eroding at all.. sure we may not be actively recruiting atm, but we are still having fun.

I guess we will see eachother tonight :)

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Just because you can't muster the numbers to properly defend your castle is no reason to cry zerg.

Right now the odds are 2 to 1 that you pansies don't make more than 2 rushes tonight before you give up and go crying zerg.

As for the farmers.. they're the scum of the game. Your choice to suck up to them makes you even more scum than they are.

Looking forward to tonight. Hopefully these last couple posts will do as intended and inspire you to actually show up.

Smittie

05-06-2006, 12:30 PM

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Just because you can't muster the numbers to properly defend your castle is no reason to cry zerg.

Right now the odds are 2 to 1 that you pansies don't make more than 2 rushes tonight before you give up and go crying zerg.

As for the farmers.. they're the scum of the game. Your choice to suck up to them makes you even more scum than they are.

Looking forward to tonight. Hopefully these last couple posts will do as intended and inspire you to actually show up.

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Bighands... no ally on this server can atm muster the numbers to properly defend against 21 clans.. or do you know something i don't? If so.. name the ally that can defend against those 21 clans. 21 clans on 3 is still a zerg.. by definition....

What we will or will not do tonight is in no way influenced by you cussing or throwing fits about farmers though.

How would you say we have sucked up to farmers? Is it coz we don't help you deal with Lightsword?

Bighands

05-06-2006, 02:29 PM

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Just because you can't muster the numbers to properly defend your castle is no reason to cry zerg.

Right now the odds are 2 to 1 that you pansies don't make more than 2 rushes tonight before you give up and go crying zerg.

As for the farmers.. they're the scum of the game. Your choice to suck up to them makes you even more scum than they are.

Looking forward to tonight. Hopefully these last couple posts will do as intended and inspire you to actually show up.

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Bighands... no ally on this server can atm muster the numbers to properly defend against 21 clans.. or do you know something i don't? If so.. name the ally that can defend against those 21 clans. 21 clans on 3 is still a zerg.. by definition....

What we will or will not do tonight is in no way influenced by you cussing or throwing fits about farmers though.

How would you say we have sucked up to farmers? Is it coz we don't help you deal with Lightsword?

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Umm no, the definition of zerg is not 21 clans on 3. Try Wikipedia for the proper definition of Zerg.

21 clans on 3 is an alliance who brings their A game vs one that was washed up months ago and shouldn't have a castle to begin with.

As for that liplock you have on the farmers... umm HELLO since EA went [censored] up there has been only one alliance on this server to have an openly pro-farmer clan in it.

Anyone care to venture a guess as to what alliance that is?

And that last part about your decision on what to do tonight.. that sounds like you're making excuses already.. ROFL I figured as much.

Gregus

05-06-2006, 02:35 PM

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As for that liplock you have on the farmers... umm HELLO since EA went [censored] up there has been only one alliance on this server to have an openly pro-farmer clan in it.

Anyone care to venture a guess as to what alliance that is?

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Malevolence?

and I would go by the urbandictionary definitions more so than wikipedia. wikipedia only talks about starcraft and fails to really apply it to other games.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Zerg

urbandictionary > wikipedia for most cases.

Durgoth

05-06-2006, 02:44 PM

lol

Fio

05-06-2006, 04:01 PM

I don't think our A-game washed up. Bringing 21 clans to an undefended castle is just odd.

But if history repeats itself, your A-game should be washing up soon? Farmers suck at kissing by the way Bigs. LDS was just like any other clan in our alliance, it just happened to be run by a respected farmer. Are we decked out in S grade, or are all 78? No. So stop complaining, and go craft something.

Bighands

05-06-2006, 04:13 PM

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I don't think our A-game washed up. Bringing 21 clans to an undefended castle is just odd.

But if history repeats itself, your A-game should be washing up soon? Farmers suck at kissing by the way Bigs. LDS was just like any other clan in our alliance, it just happened to be run by a respected farmer. Are we decked out in S grade, or are all 78? No. So stop complaining, and go craft something.

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Washed up kiddo.

And from what I hear scared... could be just a rumor though.

Smittie

05-06-2006, 04:51 PM

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Umm no, the definition of zerg is not 21 clans on 3. Try Wikipedia for the proper definition of Zerg.

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No.. i guess wikipedia doesnt mention the 1:7 ratio. Most ppl would still call that a zerg.

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21 clans on 3 is an alliance who brings their A game vs one that was washed up months ago and shouldn't have a castle to begin with.

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Why did you guys let us keep it for so long then? I guess we are washed up according to you.. myself.. i dont feel very washed up at all...

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As for that liplock you have on the farmers... umm HELLO since EA went [censored] up there has been only one alliance on this server to have an openly pro-farmer clan in it.

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LDS wasnt pro farmer clan.. it was farmer clan... Jarl's reason to add them to the ally? I dunno, ask Jarl when/if he comes back to the game...

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And that last part about your decision on what to do tonight.. that sounds like you're making excuses already.. ROFL I figured as much.

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You can call it what you want. We base our decisions on what to do during sieges on more than some namecalling joe behind a big zerg....

So.. did you ever figure out what ally could mount a defence against your zerg? I'm at the edge of my seat waiting for that answer :D

mizuko

05-06-2006, 07:47 PM

When oren was seiged Kewiaid was no longer part of LCN. Infact all that is left of LCN is BD and LDS. So unless kewiaid is a farmer clan being the only clan in their ally... I assume your referring to Syn maybe?

Also Jiggles was the main person responsible for making LCN what it was. It was because of Jiggs that Kewiaid and LDS joined. From what I gathered Jiggs was good friends with AK bak when he used to pretti much work the market all day long.

MilleFeuille

05-06-2006, 09:26 PM

Gonad manor LOLOL I'm sorry this made me crack up, didnt bother reading through this rubbish :D

SirJiggles

05-07-2006, 02:27 AM

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When oren was seiged Kewiaid was no longer part of LCN. Infact all that is left of LCN is BD and LDS. So unless kewiaid is a farmer clan being the only clan in their ally... I assume your referring to Syn maybe?

Also Jiggles was the main person responsible for making LCN what it was. It was because of Jiggs that Kewiaid and LDS joined. From what I gathered Jiggs was good friends with AK bak when he used to pretti much work the market all day long.

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55555 - i dont want Bigs to come down on me too!

whatever the hell is going on here between what was LCN and HG, seriously, both sides just.

Bringing 21 clans against 3, sure could have been zerg by standards, but who cares at this point, the castle has come and gone, they wanted the castle, they showed up and took it, simple as that, its over.

Now about this [censored] talking back and forth, tbh, both sides grow the [censored] up. Bigs, your getting a bit out of line with these farmer comments, because no offense, everyones at fault for them being here, targeting 1 source accomplishes nothing.

As for a farmer clan in an alliance, what does that really matter in the end? If people wouldnt give them a reason to be on this server to begin with, we wouldnt be having this argument today now would we?

Miz is right, i was the reason LDS was in LCN, wanna blame anyone for it, blame me, i set the first building blocks of LCN, which was LDS and then Kwlaid. I had a friendship with AirenKing, a 'Farmer' ... so sue me for making friends with people in a game, farmer/bot/PwrLvLer etc. Almost everyone on this [censored] server has at one point, so stop pointing fingers like you dont have blood on your hands as well, almost everyone on this server has at one point done as little as buy 1 mat off a farmer char, and that makes you part of the problem. So everyone needs to [Censored] on pointing fingers on whose at fault, cause your all just as guilty, im sick of this [censored].

FARMERS WOULDNT BE HERE IF THERE WAS NO MARKET FOR THEM, AND IF YOU THINK 1 ALLIANCE IS THE REASON, OPEN YOUR **** EYES.

Im sick of this God **** game cause of this kind of attitude, both sides here need to take a step back, and find other ways to resolve this other than these stupid cheapshots.

Bigs, i dont know where all of a sudden this anger comes out of you, but its def a side of you i have never seen before, nor do i even like witnessing.

Seriously, both sides, need to calm the [censored] down, these are sides of you that i have never seen before, and are not of the Norm, so stop.

And Bigs, it offends me that you say LCN was eroding into nothing, because i hope to God nothing happens to you in RL where you cant be in game, cause i promise you if it did, and you had to be away for a while, your alliance wouldn't be the same after time either. You have no idea what Jarl has gone through and or been through, he is and always will be my friend, and name one alliance that would survive un-effected the day their leader was gone for a prolonged period of time, cause i sure as hell can't think of one.

im off to bed, Either way, i still <3 you all's!! ...Yes even you too Fio!

kutjr

05-07-2006, 05:54 AM

Jiggs you've always been a farmer apologist. You continue with the attitude that if there were no crack heads there wouldnt be any crack dealers.

That may in fact be true, but it doesnt make the dealers innocent **** it. Get that through your head.

As for you Smittie. You want to know who can defend against us? No one so far. Pignation and Synergy did succesfully take our castle though.

You want to know why Bigs and myself get a little huffy when you whiney pansies come in here screaming zerg this and zerg that? Because we play the game the way we see it was meant to be played.

You dont like being attacked by 21 clans, I would suggest a first person shooter, maybe CS or something.

This game isnt for you. This game isnt about 1v1 pvp. This game is politics, organization, and manipulation. I understand you guys cant see that now that you are on the loosing side. I assure you none of you complained when your alliances were large enough to roll anyone.

Of the 21 clans how many were sub-clans, or very small clans? How many people came from those 21 clans?

1 person from each clan and suddenly the zerg wouldnt be so large would it?

Stop whining and play the game we want you to for a change.

Andoland

05-07-2006, 06:21 AM

Yall dont pay attention do you.

First off the onlyreason yall got called a zerg was cuz yall were here flaming him about not defending his castle. and he responded by saying who could defend aginst 21 clans when they had 3. Thean yall got pissy and cired were not a zerg dont call us one. and he said by deffinition 21 clans vs 3 is a zerg (if the shoe fits wear it). He never once [censored] or complained about 21 clans showing up. All he did was defend the remarks made towards the lack of his forces present at the time of defence. yall are getting pissy about nothing. get over yourselves and for the record this is wwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
off topic.

ohh and yes take away the coke heads takes away the dealers. but key thing is it dont take away the coke.

Bighands

05-07-2006, 08:05 AM

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No... Oren was zerged by 21 clans :)

Prior to that it had a manor that never went down... How many days have oren manor been up since taken?

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Actually this is the post that started the discussion on how Kewlaid sucks. Prior to this post the thread was strictly about manor setups.

Smittie

05-07-2006, 10:13 AM

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No... Oren was zerged by 21 clans :)

Prior to that it had a manor that never went down... How many days have oren manor been up since taken?

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Actually this is the post that started the discussion on how Kewlaid sucks. Prior to this post the thread was strictly about manor setups.

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Like I have said before.. I don't care that your zerg took the castle... just keep the manor up. This discussion was about manors was it not? Just make sure its kept up... you and kut are selfproclaimed manor-geniuses. Pls help Oren stay up!!!!

As for us sucking.... I guess thats your view.

kutjr

05-07-2006, 10:19 AM

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. get over yourselves and for the record this is wwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
off topic..

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Go back and read the thread and then start kicking your own *** for being a moron.

Not once in this thread did I flame anyone for not defending.

I just asked how you know how many people were there, since none of you were.

MerSy

05-07-2006, 11:15 AM

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I had all the high lvl seeds up, same prices as Aden and Giran, prolly same as Innadril too, at full buyback. If someone pmed/mailed me about changing to a specific crop reward, it was up within a day or two.

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True

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just keep the manor up!

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Would be about time .

SirJiggles

05-07-2006, 04:50 PM

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Jiggs you've always been a farmer apologist. You continue with the attitude that if there were no crack heads there wouldnt be any crack dealers.

That may in fact be true, but it doesnt make the dealers innocent **** it. Get that through your head.

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You didn't get my point then, i was simply saying im sick of people pointing fingers at certain people due farmers, instaed of looking at themselves and those with them.

I never said i was sympathizing for anyone, i just think its stupid that people try to target a small faction instead of the entire population.

Urkel

05-07-2006, 09:01 PM

Bigs is just mad because I can make Kewlaid better than him and I wouldn't give him my special recipe :)

Bighands

05-07-2006, 09:09 PM

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Bigs is just mad because I can make Kewlaid better than him and I wouldn't give him my special recipe :)

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It's cuz I'm not Kewl isn't it?

SirJiggles

05-07-2006, 10:10 PM

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Bigs is just mad because I can make Kewlaid better than him and I wouldn't give him my special recipe :)

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It's cuz I'm not Kewl isn't it?

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I think its the STD's tbh!

You dirty .. dirty man!

Bighands

05-07-2006, 10:53 PM

What can I say, I have a thing for seconds.. it gets me in trouble. ;)

BTW - I didn't see any sense in rehashing the "Farmers are cool/Farmers suck" argument again, since I don't think either of our opinions on the matter has changed since the last time. ;)

I do appreciate the thread bumpage though, maybe it will convince my fellow manor lords to fix thier [censored] manors.

ohh, and Manor Lord types. For a percentage of your take, I will look at your manor, and tell you every price you need to set in order to make your manor really efficient. (Kut will prolly try to make the same offer right after me, but he's not as cool as me.)

DeSalv0r

05-07-2006, 10:55 PM

Sorry, i am regular just reading boards when i am at work ( sounds strange maybe but it is like it is ^^ ).

Ok, first i have to say :
Manor was running last week without downtime i think.

It will be up again tomorrow cause i am interested in it and ill set it up.. dont worry.

Its a challenge for me .. and it wasnt working that bad when it was up i think.

Thx for help to former owner and Duke at this place .. without their help it would have been very hard to do it first time without any experience in manor system.

Thx all the zerg for defense help ;)

Btw ... just one thing you should not forget Jiggie :
Its really very hard to set up manor system for a euro player who has a regular work.
I dunno if you can imagine i must stay up till 3 am and setting it up needs about at least 30mins till 1 hour if you start,

So it means i have about 3 hours sleep left till i can go to work.
I promise you .. ill start it again .. but be sure there will be days when i fall asleep before i worked it out ;)

Thats my statement to that point.
After i have a bit experience now the downtimes will be much less this time... i can set it up tonight i hope ( when i dont fall alseep ) and the it wil be running tomorrow.

So .. hf and gratz zerg .. was hell of fun for me ^^

SirJiggles

05-07-2006, 11:06 PM

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Sorry, i am regular just reading boards when i am at work ( sounds strange maybe but it is like it is ^^ ).

Ok, first i have to say :
Manor was running last week without downtime i think.

It will be up again tomorrow cause i am interested in it and ill set it up.. dont worry.

Its a challenge for me .. and it wasnt working that bad when it was up i think.

Thx for help to former owner and Duke at this place .. without their help it would have been very hard to do it first time without any experience in manor system.

Thx all the zerg for defense help ;)

Btw ... just one thing you should not forget Jiggie :
Its really very hard to set up manor system for a euro player who has a regular work.
I dunno if you can imagine i must stay up till 3 am and setting it up needs about at least 30mins till 1 hour if you start,

So it means i have about 3 hours sleep left till i can go to work.
I promise you .. ill start it again .. but be sure there will be days when i fall asleep before i worked it out ;)

Thats my statement to that point.
After i have a bit experience now the downtimes will be much less this time... i can set it up tonight i hope ( when i dont fall alseep ) and the it wil be running tomorrow.

So .. hf and gratz zerg .. was hell of fun for me ^^

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If i ever get a castle, and a Manor under my control, i already knwo very well whose goign to run it and how its going to go!

DeSalv0r

05-07-2006, 11:32 PM

Then get one ;)

We all know you are uber ... but i dont see more content in your talk .. same here as everywhere.

Vote for Jiggie ^^

Ok, anyway .. besides your uberness ... i am working on it.
I will work on it and i already worked on it.

And i dont see the point i have to discuss with you abou it jiggie.

Maybe there are people who arent born in this game ^^

SirJiggles

05-08-2006, 02:04 AM

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Then get one ;)

We all know you are uber ... but i dont see more content in your talk .. same here as everywhere.

Vote for Jiggie ^^

Ok, anyway .. besides your uberness ... i am working on it.
I will work on it and i already worked on it.

And i dont see the point i have to discuss with you abou it jiggie.

Maybe there are people who arent born in this game ^^

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.... While your too busy trying to make senseless insults at me, perhaps spend some more time actually reading the thread...

I made about 3-4 posts in it, none referring to you, or your manor, so before you make yourself look like a moron, read the thread buddy ^^.

Bighands

05-08-2006, 02:09 AM

My question is don't you freaking sleep Jiggy? I have an excuse, work's kept me up all night.. a few more hours before I can blissfully pass out yet. :)

Durgoth

05-08-2006, 05:07 AM

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When oren was seiged Kewiaid was no longer part of LCN. Infact all that is left of LCN is BD and LDS. So unless kewiaid is a farmer clan being the only clan in their ally... I assume your referring to Syn maybe?

Also Jiggles was the main person responsible for making LCN what it was. It was because of Jiggs that Kewiaid and LDS joined. From what I gathered Jiggs was good friends with AK bak when he used to pretti much work the market all day long.

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55555 - i dont want Bigs to come down on me too!

whatever the hell is going on here between what was LCN and HG, seriously, both sides just.

Bringing 21 clans against 3, sure could have been zerg by standards, but who cares at this point, the castle has come and gone, they wanted the castle, they showed up and took it, simple as that, its over.

Now about this [censored] talking back and forth, tbh, both sides grow the [censored] up. Bigs, your getting a bit out of line with these farmer comments, because no offense, everyones at fault for them being here, targeting 1 source accomplishes nothing.

As for a farmer clan in an alliance, what does that really matter in the end? If people wouldnt give them a reason to be on this server to begin with, we wouldnt be having this argument today now would we?

Miz is right, i was the reason LDS was in LCN, wanna blame anyone for it, blame me, i set the first building blocks of LCN, which was LDS and then Kwlaid. I had a friendship with AirenKing, a 'Farmer' ... so sue me for making friends with people in a game, farmer/bot/PwrLvLer etc. Almost everyone on this [censored] server has at one point, so stop pointing fingers like you dont have blood on your hands as well, almost everyone on this server has at one point done as little as buy 1 mat off a farmer char, and that makes you part of the problem. So everyone needs to [Censored] on pointing fingers on whose at fault, cause your all just as guilty, im sick of this [censored].

FARMERS WOULDNT BE HERE IF THERE WAS NO MARKET FOR THEM, AND IF YOU THINK 1 ALLIANCE IS THE REASON, OPEN YOUR **** EYES.

Im sick of this God **** game cause of this kind of attitude, both sides here need to take a step back, and find other ways to resolve this other than these stupid cheapshots.

Bigs, i dont know where all of a sudden this anger comes out of you, but its def a side of you i have never seen before, nor do i even like witnessing.

Seriously, both sides, need to calm the [censored] down, these are sides of you that i have never seen before, and are not of the Norm, so stop.

And Bigs, it offends me that you say LCN was eroding into nothing, because i hope to God nothing happens to you in RL where you cant be in game, cause i promise you if it did, and you had to be away for a while, your alliance wouldn't be the same after time either. You have no idea what Jarl has gone through and or been through, he is and always will be my friend, and name one alliance that would survive un-effected the day their leader was gone for a prolonged period of time, cause i sure as hell can't think of one.

im off to bed, Either way, i still <3 you all's!! ...Yes even you too Fio!

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Dont comment unless you know the whole story. Maybe find out why some ********s with a pink tag decide that frost bolting someone trying to kite mobs off a raid group is a good idea. I couldn't care less about whatever farmer/non farmer clan supports them. GF yesterday though, was nice seeing Kewl and Oz hanging out.

Freak

05-08-2006, 05:15 AM

Jiggles never sticks up for the little guy :confused:

MilleFeuille

05-08-2006, 09:10 AM

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Jiggles never sticks up for the little guy :confused:

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Little guys have nothing to offer :o :D :o :) :p

Freak

05-08-2006, 09:19 AM

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Jiggles never sticks up for the little guy :confused:

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Little guys have nothing to offer :o :D :o :) :p

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:(

kutjr

05-08-2006, 10:10 AM

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For a percentage of your take, I will look at your manor, and tell you every price you need to set in order to make your manor really efficient. (Kut will prolly try to make the same offer right after me, but he's not as cool as me.)

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No thanks. You can keep your money.

Any manor I have a wish to help out with, I do.

Beyond that I have enough on my plate.

Fio

05-08-2006, 10:50 AM

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When oren was seiged Kewiaid was no longer part of LCN. Infact all that is left of LCN is BD and LDS. So unless kewiaid is a farmer clan being the only clan in their ally... I assume your referring to Syn maybe?

Also Jiggles was the main person responsible for making LCN what it was. It was because of Jiggs that Kewiaid and LDS joined. From what I gathered Jiggs was good friends with AK bak when he used to pretti much work the market all day long.

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55555 - i dont want Bigs to come down on me too!

whatever the hell is going on here between what was LCN and HG, seriously, both sides just.

Bringing 21 clans against 3, sure could have been zerg by standards, but who cares at this point, the castle has come and gone, they wanted the castle, they showed up and took it, simple as that, its over.

Now about this [censored] talking back and forth, tbh, both sides grow the [censored] up. Bigs, your getting a bit out of line with these farmer comments, because no offense, everyones at fault for them being here, targeting 1 source accomplishes nothing.

As for a farmer clan in an alliance, what does that really matter in the end? If people wouldnt give them a reason to be on this server to begin with, we wouldnt be having this argument today now would we?

Miz is right, i was the reason LDS was in LCN, wanna blame anyone for it, blame me, i set the first building blocks of LCN, which was LDS and then Kwlaid. I had a friendship with AirenKing, a 'Farmer' ... so sue me for making friends with people in a game, farmer/bot/PwrLvLer etc. Almost everyone on this [censored] server has at one point, so stop pointing fingers like you dont have blood on your hands as well, almost everyone on this server has at one point done as little as buy 1 mat off a farmer char, and that makes you part of the problem. So everyone needs to [Censored] on pointing fingers on whose at fault, cause your all just as guilty, im sick of this [censored].

FARMERS WOULDNT BE HERE IF THERE WAS NO MARKET FOR THEM, AND IF YOU THINK 1 ALLIANCE IS THE REASON, OPEN YOUR **** EYES.

Im sick of this God **** game cause of this kind of attitude, both sides here need to take a step back, and find other ways to resolve this other than these stupid cheapshots.

Bigs, i dont know where all of a sudden this anger comes out of you, but its def a side of you i have never seen before, nor do i even like witnessing.

Seriously, both sides, need to calm the [censored] down, these are sides of you that i have never seen before, and are not of the Norm, so stop.

And Bigs, it offends me that you say LCN was eroding into nothing, because i hope to God nothing happens to you in RL where you cant be in game, cause i promise you if it did, and you had to be away for a while, your alliance wouldn't be the same after time either. You have no idea what Jarl has gone through and or been through, he is and always will be my friend, and name one alliance that would survive un-effected the day their leader was gone for a prolonged period of time, cause i sure as hell can't think of one.

im off to bed, Either way, i still <3 you all's!! ...Yes even you too Fio!

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Dont comment unless you know the whole story. Maybe find out why some ********s with a pink tag decide that frost bolting someone trying to kite mobs off a raid group is a good idea. I couldn't care less about whatever farmer/non farmer clan supports them. GF yesterday though, was nice seeing Kewl and Oz hanging out.

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Yeah Oz and the Kewls were debating on how many times Sabby12 died, over some Kewlaid and tea of course. Its was a bummer though, after the siege all the HG's left and best of all Bigs wasn't there :mad: Don't hide in town, its only a clan of six! We shall slowly remove you from the face of Aden, in due time mein enemy!

But I was still curious why the high amount of people on the field...they call it a zerg I think, didn't rush us.. We certainly know how to move the siege field around with a party of like seven, then Mugi and his gang came later. Good fight, at least from our side haha.

And Kromay is WTB some B-Rez's O_o

Durgoth

05-08-2006, 10:55 AM

Well considering you were the only people around, yea you had the whole field on you. Not my fault you came up to a field with bored people on it.

Seems like we ended up on top of that little fight considering someone on our side is 100 mil richer.

As for Sabby, im sure you'll be seeing more of him lol, he loves the PeeVsPee

/BSOE :eek:

BeerDeadClam

05-08-2006, 11:30 AM

So many of you don't understand the overhead of the manor at all... The prices for the buyback are based on the market value of the items we make from the manor. If you're willing to start paying 5mil for an enchant weapon C I'll raise the buyback prices accordingly. But I'm basing my prices on the market value of EWC's (currently using 700k per for reference). If the price on EWC's goes down, so will my buyback price.. If the price of EWC's goes up, so will my buyback prices...

From our perspective we are managing the manor in a way that we can make money. Trust me, the most important aspect of the manor is "server" participation.

Right now participation is very high, and we are getting the MAXIMUM amount of crop back that is possible (yes, NCSoft sets limits). My buyback prices are at the maximum I'm willing to go based on the market values of EA/EW scrolls.

Some seeds are more economical to make certain scrolls though, that is why the crops are priced like they are. Every manor has different crop available, but they can all make the same things (EA/EW scrolls, quick heal pots, GSAP, Greater Haste pots, Secret Book of Giants, A crystals, B Crystals, S Crystals). I'm not sure if Aden/Goddard get S grade scrolls or not, but in general that is the bulk of it...

I know that with Goddard Ghost14 couldn't find a way to be profitable with the manor. With Aden, it has had several different people own it who had the financing available to manage it... I'm assuming the castles that have NEVER participated largely in the Manor system just simply can't be profitable.

Of course you have to keep in mind that Aden get's 10% of all castles' tax and manor, and if that generates a satisfactory income, why invest time/energy into it?

kutjr

05-08-2006, 12:09 PM

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I'm assuming the castles that have NEVER participated largely in the Manor system just simply can't be profitable.

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You also have to take into account all of the people that said Gludio, Oren and Innadril could not be profitable over the life of this server.

I believe every manor can be with the right management. Some are going to be less then others, no matter what the person does.

kutjr

05-08-2006, 12:12 PM

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But I was still curious why the high amount of people on the field...they call it a zerg I think, didn't rush us.. We certainly know how to move the siege field around with a party of like seven, then Mugi and his gang came later. Good fight, at least from our side haha.

And Kromay is WTB some B-Rez's O_o

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Tell me again why we would rush you?

Did you expect us all to stay in one place to help protect against the attackers! Oh wait there werent any.

Think people, for god sake think.

SirJiggles

05-08-2006, 12:27 PM

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My question is don't you freaking sleep Jiggy? I have an excuse, work's kept me up all night.. a few more hours before I can blissfully pass out yet. :)

[/ QUOTE ]

Midterms :(

SirJiggles

05-08-2006, 12:31 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
When oren was seiged Kewiaid was no longer part of LCN. Infact all that is left of LCN is BD and LDS. So unless kewiaid is a farmer clan being the only clan in their ally... I assume your referring to Syn maybe?

Also Jiggles was the main person responsible for making LCN what it was. It was because of Jiggs that Kewiaid and LDS joined. From what I gathered Jiggs was good friends with AK bak when he used to pretti much work the market all day long.

[/ QUOTE ]

55555 - i dont want Bigs to come down on me too!

whatever the hell is going on here between what was LCN and HG, seriously, both sides just.

Bringing 21 clans against 3, sure could have been zerg by standards, but who cares at this point, the castle has come and gone, they wanted the castle, they showed up and took it, simple as that, its over.

Now about this [censored] talking back and forth, tbh, both sides grow the [censored] up. Bigs, your getting a bit out of line with these farmer comments, because no offense, everyones at fault for them being here, targeting 1 source accomplishes nothing.

As for a farmer clan in an alliance, what does that really matter in the end? If people wouldnt give them a reason to be on this server to begin with, we wouldnt be having this argument today now would we?

Miz is right, i was the reason LDS was in LCN, wanna blame anyone for it, blame me, i set the first building blocks of LCN, which was LDS and then Kwlaid. I had a friendship with AirenKing, a 'Farmer' ... so sue me for making friends with people in a game, farmer/bot/PwrLvLer etc. Almost everyone on this [censored] server has at one point, so stop pointing fingers like you dont have blood on your hands as well, almost everyone on this server has at one point done as little as buy 1 mat off a farmer char, and that makes you part of the problem. So everyone needs to [Censored] on pointing fingers on whose at fault, cause your all just as guilty, im sick of this [censored].

FARMERS WOULDNT BE HERE IF THERE WAS NO MARKET FOR THEM, AND IF YOU THINK 1 ALLIANCE IS THE REASON, OPEN YOUR **** EYES.

Im sick of this God **** game cause of this kind of attitude, both sides here need to take a step back, and find other ways to resolve this other than these stupid cheapshots.

Bigs, i dont know where all of a sudden this anger comes out of you, but its def a side of you i have never seen before, nor do i even like witnessing.

Seriously, both sides, need to calm the [censored] down, these are sides of you that i have never seen before, and are not of the Norm, so stop.

And Bigs, it offends me that you say LCN was eroding into nothing, because i hope to God nothing happens to you in RL where you cant be in game, cause i promise you if it did, and you had to be away for a while, your alliance wouldn't be the same after time either. You have no idea what Jarl has gone through and or been through, he is and always will be my friend, and name one alliance that would survive un-effected the day their leader was gone for a prolonged period of time, cause i sure as hell can't think of one.

im off to bed, Either way, i still <3 you all's!! ...Yes even you too Fio!

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Dont comment unless you know the whole story. Maybe find out why some ********s with a pink tag decide that frost bolting someone trying to kite mobs off a raid group is a good idea. I couldn't care less about whatever farmer/non farmer clan supports them. GF yesterday though, was nice seeing Kewl and Oz hanging out.

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If your talking about something that happened almost a year ago, then yes i know what your talking about, but since then i thought those problems have been resolved.

If ts more recent, than i don't much know nor much care. Im just a bit surprised of the [censored] talking coming from both sides, when i know you both are better than this.

Durgoth

05-08-2006, 12:31 PM

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My question is don't you freaking sleep Jiggy? I have an excuse, work's kept me up all night.. a few more hours before I can blissfully pass out yet. :)

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Midterms :(

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School is highly over-rated imo. Get a job!

SirJiggles

05-08-2006, 12:35 PM

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My question is don't you freaking sleep Jiggy? I have an excuse, work's kept me up all night.. a few more hours before I can blissfully pass out yet. :)

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Midterms :(

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School is highly over-rated imo. Get a job!

[/ QUOTE ]

School --> Degree = Better Job IMO.

kutjr

05-08-2006, 12:56 PM

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If ts more recent, than i don't much know nor much care. Im just a bit surprised of the [censored] talking coming from both sides, when i know you both are better than this.

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Why is it we have to be better then calling a spade, a spade?

Dav

05-08-2006, 12:58 PM

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Well we all know how Fio acts. He nukes a level 20 guy and says " i owned you" LMAO

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Or a healer that's 5 lvls lower because he's bored :P (YOU JUST WAIT TILL C5 BUDDIE BOY! Healers are gonna pwn nukers :P)

Anyways, I'm really happy Biggie keeps an eye out for the manors on this server. Without well ran manors the farmers get richer and richer and richer still... now the prices can be balanced by the people running the castles :)

Gogo dorfies! :P (Beer and Biggs :P)

Dav

05-08-2006, 01:04 PM

Bighands

05-08-2006, 01:33 PM

rofl.. I'm not upset in the least. Some farmers clans have had significant losses, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the mass bannings roll through again. ;)

As for Fio and the gang. lmao they're going for a new record on BSOEing and/or and force logging. To think all this time I thought you guys knew something about PvP.

Bighands

05-08-2006, 01:44 PM

[ QUOTE ]
So many of you don't understand the overhead of the manor at all... The prices for the buyback are based on the market value of the items we make from the manor. If you're willing to start paying 5mil for an enchant weapon C I'll raise the buyback prices accordingly. But I'm basing my prices on the market value of EWC's (currently using 700k per for reference). If the price on EWC's goes down, so will my buyback price.. If the price of EWC's goes up, so will my buyback prices...

From our perspective we are managing the manor in a way that we can make money. Trust me, the most important aspect of the manor is "server" participation.

Right now participation is very high, and we are getting the MAXIMUM amount of crop back that is possible (yes, NCSoft sets limits). My buyback prices are at the maximum I'm willing to go based on the market values of EA/EW scrolls.

Some seeds are more economical to make certain scrolls though, that is why the crops are priced like they are. Every manor has different crop available, but they can all make the same things (EA/EW scrolls, quick heal pots, GSAP, Greater Haste pots, Secret Book of Giants, A crystals, B Crystals, S Crystals). I'm not sure if Aden/Goddard get S grade scrolls or not, but in general that is the bulk of it...

I know that with Goddard Ghost14 couldn't find a way to be profitable with the manor. With Aden, it has had several different people own it who had the financing available to manage it... I'm assuming the castles that have NEVER participated largely in the Manor system just simply can't be profitable.

Of course you have to keep in mind that Aden get's 10% of all castles' tax and manor, and if that generates a satisfactory income, why invest time/energy into it?

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psst.. I'm well aware of how the manor works, I've been running one in C4 for 4 months now, and we're quite pleased with the returns from it. ;)

I know you're knew to it, so you should probably be aware that each manor does not necessarily produce the same crop wth the same seeds. Some of my crops for example make enchant scrolls, while the same crop elsewhere makes Pots/BREZ, etc. Certainly some end items are more overpriced than others, and therefore you can go a bit higher on your buyback. When it's all said and done though, the value of the crops is roughly the same from one castle to the next.

We both know that even if you can only make 10% profit on a crop that it's still better to make that 10% than it is to sit there with some extremely low return and make nothing. ;)

So.. Goddard, Aden and Oren need to up their buybcack prices for the crops I mentioned above. Right now, they are getting 0 crops back on those seeds, so even if it cuts into the profit margin, getting something is better than nothing.

Smittie

05-08-2006, 01:51 PM

Looking back on my manor.. i do remember the very top seed getting very low returns.. not sure of the name (since I can't go look it up >.<). I figured it was because noone wanted to seed in dark omens.... maybe i was wrong?

Fio

05-08-2006, 03:00 PM

Dav baby: I was bored, so I entertained myself. And in C5 I won't be playing my singer. <3

Bigs: I had the desire to get rid of like 5 BSOE's out of the 20 I have from the event. I'll go visit Aconyte, and tally the number of times she BSOE's. Plus the whole HG damaging then having Republic get the last hit was tricky! Also, ask Durgoth why I regular SOE'd from him and some B grade Gladi spamming skills on me? Thats pretty gimp!

Hope to see you some place else, other than town.

Bighands

05-08-2006, 03:10 PM

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Looking back on my manor.. i do remember the very top seed getting very low returns.. not sure of the name (since I can't go look it up >.<). I figured it was because noone wanted to seed in dark omens.... maybe i was wrong?

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You can buyback crops no matter where they are farmed, we've been getting max buyback on a couple crops, but we never sell a single seed.

PainAmplifier

05-08-2006, 10:10 PM

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Looking back on my manor.. i do remember the very top seed getting very low returns.. not sure of the name (since I can't go look it up >.<). I figured it was because noone wanted to seed in dark omens.... maybe i was wrong?

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You can buyback crops no matter where they are farmed, we've been getting max buyback on a couple crops, but we never sell a single seed.

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Well as to not selling those seeds....field mobs in your territory quite frankly, suck.

Too much ranged aggro, stunning mobs, 1/2 HP (Poor seeding of most of those.) Multi HP, Social mobs, group mobs and some irregularily strong mobs. (Like the Rakul.)

I don't know for sure, but I have a very strong suspician that most manor users are melee soloers with possibly a buffbot. And mobs elsewhere for the seeds/fruits you have are much easier. I do maybe 200-400 seeds on a good day, but I don't do them everyday. And I do them with minimal expenditures to maximise return. This means depending on the char (I have several I use to farm with.) I will use shots and pots as little as possible and when feasable will use a pet (wolf/Hatchling/Baby) instead. My main is about at the point that losing the drops due to seeding isn't quite worth it anymore. (B recipes and weapon/armor parts mainly.)

(Multi HP mobs can be good for seeding....but are often too dangerous to mess with for the solo seeder.)

I know that if I could actually get some people together to work as a team farming seeds the Innadril territory (GoE/Alligator Island) could be good...but as a solo farmer it's too harsh down there for the majority of my farming chars.

It's odd really, I've been the #1 goto person whenever a clanny wants some manor advice for their alts, but I have trouble organizing/getting them to see doing seeds as a team. And doing seeds on our mains? Not happening. The drops are considered too worthwhile to give up. (Even if they are rare.) I guess I'm missing some of those 'leader' qualities. (Which I don't mind too much really.)

And also keep in mind if you haven't explored the 'farmers' side of the manor...some seeds aren't as 'good' as others. I'm not talking about the materials you get. I am talking about the seeding rates. In practice this means that for every 100 seeds you sow on 1x hp mobs in their level range you may get as few as 55 seeds back to as many as 282! So depending on the seed costs, buybacks and the market price of the material some seeds simply are not useful/profitable for the 'casual' seed farmers.

And Goddard manor? I'm gonna say that mobs up there like all other high level mobs. A real PITA for a melee soloer. Not to mention the lack of solo chars being in that level range. Combine with the usual lack of groups coming together specifically to seed and I'm not surprised that use of the manor up there is lackluster outside of a couple hot seeds. Some of the materials are very desirable to get via seeds...just too few people in range who are willing to put the time and effort into it.

At the moment my efforts are split between Giran and Gludio territories, but I have used the manor in every town except Goddard (No char in Coba range).

In terms of mobs to farm, I have found Dion to be the easiest manor to work. There are plenty of easy to kill mobs with low concentrations of social and aggro mobs, while there are plenty of Multi HP mobs for low sowing seeds in every range if your willing to put in the extra effort. The only seeds that don't go over well are the Codrans simply becuase the only mobs in that range are in Cruma Tower and you need a decent group to farm those. The only problem is the occasional Red PK running around, but the high population and frequent High level chars in the area do tend to keep them from popping up too often.

I rank Giran/Gluido next. Gluido has a much greater PKer problem than Dion but you can find a mobs somewhere for most of their seeds without too many problems. Giran has a few too many aggro mobs with annoying debufs or special attacks to rank higher but the potential is there.

Innadril and Oren rank next. Oren has a bit of a problem in that mobs have a huge gap in the 20-40 range. And the mobs in the low 40 range have a very unfriendly mix of groups, ranged and extra strong monsters. From mid 40's to High 50's their is plenty of mobs that are good to solo...it's just harder in general to solo at those levels though. I covered Innadril above, so let me just summarize and say the mobs aren't very solo farming friendly to most chars. There are a few mobs that are good for it, but you need to skip over levels and not all chars handle them with the same ease.

Last comes Aden and Goddard. Aden has a leg up due to the inclusion of the HV area, but overall the mobs are too high level in both areas to be solo farmer friendly.

Bighands

05-09-2006, 03:00 AM

Pain, here's my biggest tip for farming the mid to high level seeds:

Find one of those **cough** farmer **cough** parties that's in a dungeon and politely ask them if they mind if you stay out of party and seed off thier mobs. If they don't respond, take that as a yes. :)

Typically they kill 4x HP mobs at an extremely fast rate.. and you know what that means: crops+++

MalaSuczka

05-09-2006, 04:01 AM

Durgoth

05-09-2006, 04:28 AM

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Dav baby: I was bored, so I entertained myself. And in C5 I won't be playing my singer. <3

Bigs: I had the desire to get rid of like 5 BSOE's out of the 20 I have from the event. I'll go visit Aconyte, and tally the number of times she BSOE's. Plus the whole HG damaging then having Republic get the last hit was tricky! Also, ask Durgoth why I regular SOE'd from him and some B grade Gladi spamming skills on me? Thats pretty gimp!

Hope to see you some place else, other than town.

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Hey Fio, Sorry i didnt realize there was an /autobreak SOE skill that never fails, where is it?

As for spamming skills, i hit you with one TSS, and Leep didnt hit you at all lol. Now you know what it actually looks like as of yesterday. Good fights in FoD, although, when we lose in group on group PvP, we dont invite other clans to a war they wernt involved in. Ofcourse, they sure are now.

You will never see us sitting in town, you will see us in every hunting ground your seen in, and you will definitly see us camping the spot where one of you forcelogs like a chump, despite how many times were told to "get a life" lawl.

MerSy

05-09-2006, 05:03 AM

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Looking back on my manor.. i do remember the very top seed getting very low returns.. not sure of the name (since I can't go look it up >.<). I figured it was because noone wanted to seed in dark omens.... maybe i was wrong?

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That is so NOT true! I want those seeds badly, but the current lord doesn't seem to care about what Bighands is telling him to do.

DeSalv0r

05-09-2006, 05:34 AM

Like i told some people via PM and i think in a thread before, too :

I did set it up this night.
I am not that experienced that i can tell you when it starts but it will start and is all set.

You get your seeds and i DO care about it,

When its running i have an open ear for changes and improvements. Just leave me a short message then and ill try to change it asap ( and like i said said .. it can take 1-2 more days cause i try to get some more sleep the day before then ... setting up manor means to me to get less then 3-4 hours sleep before i go to work.... ).

Ok, so stay tuned... manor will be up ;)
Btw .. maybe someone can tell me how i can workoutt my following problem ( i had it last time , too ).
When i type in all the settings / prices etc in my control and click on OK .. why doesnt it change for the "same day".

So like this time .. i did set it up .. it was finished about 4am my time .. so .. 1 hour after you can start with it.
But .. why didnt it take effect just some hours after i did it ?

Sorry, no secret i am kinda new in that manor things ..
but i try and will try to improve it and learn more about it.

Smittie

05-09-2006, 06:21 AM

For euros its like this:

Manor resets at 3am, from that time and I think 6 hours forward, you can change the manor. These changes will take effect next time it switches over.

So it usually takes a day for changes..

MalaSuczka

05-09-2006, 07:07 AM

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For euros its like this:

Manor resets at 3am, from that time and I think 6 hours forward, you can change the manor. These changes will take effect next time it switches over.

So it usually takes a day for changes..

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Smit tyvm i was looking for that reset hour for EU
Regards

DeSalv0r

05-09-2006, 07:37 AM

Thx a lot Smittie ;)

Ok, so i cant improve that even if the times are still crappy for euros ;)

PainAmplifier

05-09-2006, 10:31 AM

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Pain, here's my biggest tip for farming the mid to high level seeds:

Find one of those **cough** farmer **cough** parties that's in a dungeon and politely ask them if they mind if you stay out of party and seed off thier mobs. If they don't respond, take that as a yes. :)

Typically they kill 4x HP mobs at an extremely fast rate.. and you know what that means: crops+++

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I have 'assisted' myself in this way before. =D

But at the moment I'm also trying to level several chars while using the manor at the same time, so skimming off the top isn't going to get me XP right now.

Well, that and since I don't seed all the time on all on all chars, I tend to forget to sign up all my chars to a 7S side and end up being locked out of the dungeons, or just cant find a good seed in the range I need.

O_o;

Fio

05-09-2006, 10:43 AM

More so like, if you both wanted to kill me, you should hit me with TSS. Leap wasn't doing his job! Oh the skill is called, Stun Shot, or Sleep or Hammercrush, those normal auto stop SOE's.

The Forest PVP's were kinda fun, but you have to admit that its a really crappy place to pvp. When I first came in I only saw skills going off, and no actual characters. Bringing in another clan? Ever thought that nobody likes you and they want you to die O_o?

Granted you had healers, but we're pretty amazing for no active healer. TOI 11th was fun too, didn't know if you heard about that massacre. And no, you don't hunt where I do. Your a Gladiator remember?

kutjr

05-09-2006, 11:20 AM

Oh yes those seldom used gladiator skills stun shot and/or sleep, Im sure he forgot about using those in his rush.

When did Kewlaid, Parabellum and BadKarma start making up everyone?

Attack us when we arent raiding. We'll see how well that goes over.

Good luck on this one. We can add you to the list of moron's who have thought they can run us off the server and failed.

Durgoth

05-09-2006, 11:29 AM

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More so like, if you both wanted to kill me, you should hit me with TSS. Leap wasn't doing his job! Oh the skill is called, Stun Shot, or Sleep or Hammercrush, those normal auto stop SOE's.

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Amazing

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The Forest PVP's were kinda fun, but you have to admit that its a really crappy place to pvp. When I first came in I only saw skills going off, and no actual characters.

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I dont know i guess i enjoyed it more than you did, although i can see why.

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Oh i know right? We've been messing with Parabellum forever! I love griefing those guys.

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Granted you had healers, but we're pretty amazing for no active healer. TOI 11th was fun too, didn't know if you heard about that massacre. And no, you don't hunt where I do. Your a Gladiator remember?

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Yea we had one healer. Since some people seem to insist that we dont know what were doing, i thought going 4 to 1 against you guys in clean, even PvP (again, apologize that we had a healer) would be alittle irritating for you, but I didnt realize you were going to bring another clan into a problem that wasnt theres. I thought that was what you wanted, but i guess not.

I would love to hear exactly why Parabellum has a problem with us, from someone whos actually in the clan.