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Spudnik
05-09-2006, 02:53 AM
TY dusk for bringing tax rates down, but dont you think it would have been less on an inconvenience for the entire server if you just asked the castle lords to bring down the tax instead of breaking the competition for a week?
you do know that the tax will go right back up again first thing when the validation period is over?
Lothlian
05-09-2006, 03:41 AM
Dusk finally wins after 6 months of trying, and you are moaning? Get a life.
Drekk
05-09-2006, 04:00 AM
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Dusk finally wins after 6 months of trying, and you are moaning? Get a life.
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I am not even from your server and I agree
MalineII
05-09-2006, 04:24 AM
Sorry, but Dusk has not been trying for the past six months. :p Poot and Purgatory ninjaed it, it was not an open group effort. They didn't even split the seals right.
All the good that will come of this is that hopefully people won't be ******ed enough to let strife break again.
DaGrind
05-09-2006, 07:12 AM
BTW they were asked. But was hoping this would be the prelude to some interesting seiges. I guess this is what happens when you sit back and rest on your laurals.
Arhana
05-09-2006, 07:20 AM
maybe shall be a good point to make a dusk task force :P low taxes FTW!
DaGrind
05-09-2006, 08:25 AM
I think they were caught sleeping and not expecting this. There greed and lack of concern for the little person (not just dorfs) will keep them vigalente in the future. But I do agree with you that a coallition should be formed. It seems that the players on Dev. don't use this forum very much and this is our most powerfull tool against the tyranny of high taxes. BTW thank you to those ppl who stand gaurd outside the huntig area of Windmill Hill protectecing noobs from high lvl reds.
Spudnik
05-09-2006, 10:26 AM
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Dusk finally wins after 6 months of trying, and you are moaning? Get a life.
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i am NOT moaning. i am stating how foolish it was to make dusk win once. a dusk continued stretch of wins would be a well invested pint of adenas.
true, dusk has much good things when it wins, but i would consider the dawn things to be much greater fruits for reward than silly exclusive rights.
mind you there are necessary evils that must be overcome when either side wins. liek those ****ed prophets of doom.
well if i wanted to see a prophet of doom i would have given my clan's prophet a set of doom robes. :p
just exactly WHY did they ninja this victory? do they realise what theyve done?
TemplarZ
05-10-2006, 08:34 AM
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just exactly WHY did they ninja this victory? do they realise what theyve done?
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do some research on level 11/12 SA crystals
Lothlian
05-10-2006, 11:24 AM
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just exactly WHY did they ninja this victory? do they realise what theyve done?
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Because they can. Because that is the aim of the game. Because it is something else to do. There are many reasons.
Spudnik
05-10-2006, 11:37 AM
fair enough.
at least i have been able to raid for a while.
MalineII
05-10-2006, 08:55 PM
They ninjaed it so they could make their own level 11/12 crystals - which neither p00t nor purgatory needs though, so I'd assume they'll be selling them off through dwarf alts for ridiculous prices. :p
Spudnik
05-11-2006, 06:12 AM
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They ninjaed it so they could make their own level 11/12 crystals - which neither p00t nor purgatory needs though, so I'd assume they'll be selling them off through dwarf alts for ridiculous prices. :p
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like the 13million pricetags i saw for red 12 and blue 12?
hasan
05-11-2006, 08:04 AM
Before last week the normal price for a lvl 12 was 80-90 mil and the normal price for a lvl 13 was 160 mil. After farming anakim this week we will have approximately 50 lvl 12.
Couple that with anakim's super high drop rate for full weapons (we already got 2) and you have a sure winner.
We never intended to break strife. The goal was to break avarice (the first priority) and gnosis (2nd priority). At the last moment covenant managed to sign up enough alts to strife to not allow us to break gnosis thus blocking anyone from using the blacksmith this week. We really didn't have any more alts left to sign up after the festivals (we used all our accounts, even reactivated accounts just for the festival). Had people wanted to (once it was known that dusk was ahead on the score with no more festival rounds left) they could have signed to gnosis to allow blacksmith access.
It is the height of laziness that allowed us to win Dusk, as it was the laziness of the server in not fighting the raid farmers that forced us to go this route. Ofcourse we didn't do it for the whole server. The idea was created for the benefit of our alliance (p00t and purg). To be honest we had no idea that deactivating strife would result in lower taxes since in c3 that didn't happen.
As you might expect we have no interest in going dusk again.
MalineII
05-11-2006, 08:54 AM
Or maybe it was the fact that many people were asleep - again. Most people found out the next morning.
I apologise if you are indeed dropping the prices on crystals - I couldn't say I would have expected though from either of your clans (as a whole, not individually) though, and it seems I wasn't wrong in that assumption.
It's not the "height of laziness of the server" by the way - I do remember a concentrated effort of Covenant (which at that time made some of Devilstar unavailable to talk to as they were running with for very poor exp and no (as far as I'm aware) monetary rewards) to beat the farmers to the raids, which is of course still possible.
Your height of laziness are several people anywhere between the 20ies and 60ies working hard and building their friendlists across clan boundaries to make spontaneous raids possible.
If we, as Devianne, wanted to make a concentrated effort to beat Core and Deagonsoul to one set of bosses, I'm sure it would be possible - but of course, for that, all the top clans would have to stop biting each other for a moment, and that would be "holding hands".
Ubermage
05-11-2006, 11:19 AM
I personally applaude the effort. While I do not support any specific faction on this server, for the exception of my own alliance, Devilstar, I greatly appreciate the lower taxes. This is something that was much needed. I'm not very aware of the political happenings on this server, I'm much more concerned about things like farmers, high taxes, and the fact that I don't remember the last time a mannor lord set the reward on chilly cobols to 300. Setting higher mannor prices gives more materials per crop, and increases the total materials in circulation, thus helping the prices go down. Also, high taxes causes the price of things like B gems to go up, as well as spirit/soul ore, making the cost of play and item creation higher in general.
It's great the taxes are finally low again. It's a shame that strife wasn't won, because in that case the taxes would have been forced down to 5%. Perhaps next time (probably not for another 6 months or so I would assume).
Also, as an open request to mannor lords, I would appreciate it if the buyback price for Chilly Cobols was set to 300a. Thank you.
Andothe
05-11-2006, 11:42 AM
This idea started on some other servers. I am glad to see it catching on. The best way to do this IMO would be to really battle it out each period, keeping the farmer raiders offguard. Everytime a legit player gets to kill anakim/lilith...it makes me smile.
MalineII
05-11-2006, 11:49 AM
Your shortterm's going, Vek.
BP had the Chilly Cobol reward at 600 just two weeks ago. ;)
From what I hear, they are attempting at a castle again this weekend - I'm crossing my fingers. I always loved Thisson's manor, almost as much as Mune's back when I first came to Devianne. (But of course, I can't forget something paying for a brig set and an SoR at level 20 legit :P Hoho.)
If you want higher manor rewards, chances are you'll need to make people not hand in - but it's just like Dusk: No use permanently.
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Dusk finally wins after 6 months of trying, and you are moaning? Get a life.
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I am not even from your server and I agree
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Oh snap, you're from Hamilton too!?!?
KingdomForCoin
05-13-2006, 03:04 AM
Core and Deagonsoul (Blasphemy alliance) need to be killed off the server before things get worse and there are 12 farmer clans in this alliance.
MalineII
05-13-2006, 06:35 AM
You can't "kill them" off though, only petition them. And way too many people don't bother.
Hard to petition them since they're not botting though :/
MalineII
05-13-2006, 03:43 PM
They're involved in RMT, no?
I think a daily /gm Suspect [soandso] are involved in RMT from as many people as are aware of the fact that these people are farmers might get NCSoft moving.
They banned both Dragon and Disney, I'm sure they'll do it again if faced with enough pressure.
MalineII
05-13-2006, 11:31 PM
Real Money Trade
Nerukan
05-14-2006, 10:15 AM
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you do know that the tax will go right back up again first thing when the validation period is over?
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By the way, taking this back a moment, Dawn won't win Strife after this unless people are stupid and actually vote Strife. Because if things go right back to normal, then Strife doesn't have a high enough percentage to active on a week after it lost.
To explain this, normally it takes 35% vote to activate any seal. If you gained the seal on the previous week it only costs 10%. Dawn has kept all these Seals over and over again because they only needed 10% to get it in. Strife was at 11% before Dusk won, as long as it stays that low, the maximum taxes will stay at 15%. So this has long term effects.