RM - Time to come clean

[TrueLies]

Enjoy the novel if you are bored. It's long but I am sure some will find it entertaining :) RM would have you believe they are a group of skilled players who earned their lvls/gear and are on top because they are skilled players. I've shared since the beginning of Franz....

- RM is the biggest zerg ever to join on any US/Euro server. Remember the server start RM/OGD/Tribunal/Trlbunal and all their supporting clans? Remember seeing nothing but a sea of RM tags outnumbering all their enemies combined? Not much has changed. RM still outnumbers their enemies at most fights and when they dont, they are at a real risk of losing.

- 3rd party program use? In public RM 100% denies it. I've personally repeatedly seen numerous members who are in RM afk leveling while not at the pc. We walked up to them, declared war (making it two way), said "hi are you going to attack?" and they kept killing mobs. Sure we have some Fraps like SSky accepting auto-rez 100+ times, some screenies from other members, etc but ppl debate fraps/pics so why debate? Let's just take things from RM's own forums (see below)

- Buying adena? RM doesn't need to buy adena, right? I mean they have 2 castles LOL. We've owned every castle in L2, we know what they make. Gearing out most of the S grade players in RM had nothing to do with castles, lilith, etc. They INSTANTLY bought their aden clan halls, along with giving $$ to other clans who supported them for clan halls. They bought many many billions.

Don't take my word for it, see below. Ya know I enjoy my ally's successes, and I enjoy poking fun at our enemies sometimes. What our enemies do/don't do normally doesn't bother me. I just hate the bs and lies. Let's be clear. My
ally has botted chars, ebayers, etc. just like most major allies on any server. What makes me sick is RM's constant lies "we are legit" when they are as unlegit or moreso then almost any clan/ally. They just are better at hiding it, that's all. And the BS that they are good @ PVP? Are you kidding? They just have better gear and #s, that's it.

Now all the above is nothing you haven't heard before. Just some clan/ally complaining about another. What's different? Well....here are the quotes from their forums, translated accurately.

Not enough? Ask your friends in RM. They can verify whether it's true. Oh wait...they wiped their forums. Guilty? Well good thing we have some screenshots :cool:

On "legit" (3rd party program, adena buying, acct sharing, etc)

Wayu Jul 10 2007, 11:38

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And we need more OL's for this pvp's! (share all OL's acc's plz)

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meetya July 7, 2007, 16:13

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...if you wanted to TRULY remove all "unlegit" people from RM this alliance would be dead, I guarantee it

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On playing....


JudasPriest Jul 10 2007, 07:30

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we [RM] need learn how to pvp.

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Serjik Jul 10 2007, 12:29

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Some times ago we won only coz we have S-grade gears and high-lvl chars. But we can't do

this now!

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Serjik Jul 10 2007, 12:29

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It was like a chaos! We hasn't any coordination in this mass-pvp! As I saw on last pvp's we can fight only 1-2 minutes and then we flee (or die)!

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Serjik Jul 10 2007, 14:26

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RM have only carebears that can only gank 60+ solo locations with full parties!

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PaaGR Jul 10 2007, 10:11

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I think our problem - that we have ******ed members --- bla bla bla --- JP - if you so

cool tell me plz - why you scared to PK enemies - ha? ******..

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ThaBadOne Jul 10 2007, 10:50

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I think JP right. We don't ready to pvp coz RM members don't love to pvp in l2.

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Wayu Jul 10 2007, 11:38
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Our ppl need to learn how to pvp!

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Bell-ka Jul 10 2007, 14:54

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I have an impression, that we play poker with the owner of a casino...
I cant say any suggestions

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Now all of the above, while entertaining, really just winds up in the BS category. Just another ally who botted/bought adena and got on top who's members are then owned by other clans/allies who are better pvp'ers/players. Why do I even bother posting this crap?

1. Tired of listening to the same "RM is legit" bs for the last year when they have so many members who were in our ally or other friendly allies and openly talked about their bot trains. Others who are well known for running trains on other servers. Others who CLEARLY do it here on Franz. And I am not talking about 1, 2, or 10 but MOST of the clan. They go 100% auto while in the clan leader's party so it's not a case of the leader saying they are legit and not knowing about it.

2. When MEMBERS lie, ok it happens to all of us. Whenever you have 100+ ppl together there will ALWAYS be good/bad ppl. When LEADERS lie, thats a different thing. Venta keeps sharing RM had 50 ppl at each Baium raid and we have 150, and we zerged them. That is 100% lie, he knows it. Why lie? Only possible reason is to cover up his embarassment for screwed up leadership. What other explanation is there? The #s @ Baium are usually VERY even or RM has a bit more. They have about 60, so do we. If we had 150 ppl @ Baium then TRUST ME they would be @ siege too and you wouldn't have any castles.

3. Overall tired of the lies. I mean in another thread I posted a few quotes from RM forums. Sure some of them were originally posted in Russian but I completely trust the translator. The posts are accurate. When some RM members lie and say the posts are not accurate that is 100% bs. What is the "deny everything" bs policy of the clan?? I'd rather spend my L2 time playing and having fun rather then gather evidence to "prove" stuff that is well known. If I actually do the work gathering "proof" I'll take it a few steps further then you want me too.

I enjoyed fighting Batman. He was a good leader in many respects. I heard Venta led well on Teon but on Franz......no one in history has every had soooo much of an advantage in L2 and consistently lost fights that otherwise were sure wins.

Enjoy the screenies

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[Bhodosativa]

Waiting for True Fanboys to cream all over this thread.

[_pING]

Why is it so important for you to make your 'enemy' look bad?

[deg]

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- RM is the biggest zerg ever to join on any US/Euro server.

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I heared about some alliance on lionna in c1 haveing 2 sub alliances, this when an alliance were 12 clans. Think it was called Invincible.

[DreamMag3]

LoLRm

[TrueLies]

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Why is it so important for you to make your 'enemy' look bad?

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You know what Ping, I'm actually quite conservative. I've had access to this info for a long time. Only recently when another member gained access and posted in on our forums am I sharing what he posted.

On why....I find the actions of RM LEADERS to be such poor gamesmanship it is not reasonable for any good person/player to be a part of the clan. What specifically?

- RM preaches on a daily basis how legit they are and how botted/ebayed their enemies are. 100% of their members KNOW their ally is HIGHLY not legit to the point they are moreso then their enemies. Suggestion is....SAY NOTHING! Dont' touch the bot/ebay topic at all. Another approach is to say "hey we aren't legit but neither are you". Instead there members continue to trash talk others KNOWING their clan is guilty as hell. For my ally, I REQUIRE our members to be honest if nothing else. I wont allow our members to intentionally lie. If I hear about it I tell them to [censored]. If they are so embarassed about their ally they have to lie about it to feel good about themselves, something is wrong.

- If you add up EVERYONE who might somehow be on Invin's side at a Baium raid we NEVER had 100 ppl. Include every alt, alt clan, etc. Venta tells ppl on Russian forums that we have 150+ ppl and RM had only 50. That is a 100% LIE. The #s at Baium have been VERY even overall. The last Baium RM had MORE then us, yet they talk about how we had them outnumbered badly. Just LOL

- Just a random example from today.....we take a 7 person group into HS because we heard there was a full party of enemies with reds. The party we were looking for wasn't there but a hero party was there with seven ppl. Our party was quickly thrown together....no healer, no sws, no prophecies...it was just there to kill a red, not to pvp a hero party so we chose not to fight back and instead focus on finding the red. Adris writes in hero chat we were cowards for not fighting him 9 v 4. We had no one out of party and it was clear we were SEVEN. They had AT LEAST 6 ppl and I think it was seven. Why is it every time they are butthurt because they don't get to gank they lie?

RM members were honest on their own forums. They are a highly botted, highly ebayed ally with botted heroes. They lack pvp skills, they have HUGE clan drama and many members just go on 9 man GANKS to areas where 6x players solo and call that pvp.

My suggestion is.....and something I am willing to ensure our ally sticks to......let's set aside 100% of the bs. I'll make sure my ally doesn't talk about RM's EULA violations (botting/ebaying/etc) on forums nor ingame if they can do the same. It would make the game more pleasant for both sides. And I'll make sure any #s mentioned about pvp's are at least in the ballpark of accurate, and would ask they do the same. It would make the game better for all.

So to answer your question Ping....sick of the bs

Deg? Back in C1 alliances could have a max of ?4 clans each, clans could have a max of 40 ppl and clans never filled up. Many clans had about 10-20 ppl in them. I stand by my statement about as being accurate so gl2u

[ValkyrieAngel]

Invincible and Chaos on lionna all the way through were about even numbers most of the vids and stuff i have seen. R

There is a hell of alot of Russians in this Server so alot of Russians Bandwagon onto RM so they have massive numbers.

[GrandMasta]

TL, if any of the *****es decide to commit suicide IRL you will be held accountable! Easy on the children let them breath once in awhile. just mean sob just mean mean mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTwgNhX4BSo

I can picture it all day long.

and yes Invin4life.

[The4400]

good job inv, i am happy to see someone actively stepping up to make a change on the server

the fact they forced me to pay for my sub bosses, then continuoulsy pked me, i hope you destroy their game and make them quit the server.

thanks for helping me get baium finally

[Mitrian]

LoL The4400

[ProdaznayaShkura]

Can i join this **********ing?

[EvaSaint]

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Invincible and Chaos on lionna all the way through were about even numbers most of the vids and stuff i have seen. R

There is a hell of alot of Russians in this Server so alot of Russians Bandwagon onto RM so they have massive numbers.

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LOLNOOB

[Merdock]

show them the light "true"

[koshakuku]

Invincible Ally using Illegal 3rd Party Programs to level:

http://rapidshare.com/files/41941662/sleep.avi.html

[LadyPunjab]

I dont think Invincible ever said that they dont bot, unlike RM.

[koshakuku]

Fact is they bot, and must be banned.

[Bhodosativa]

Kashej... you are always so butthurt. Your campaign to get our members banned won't work... because in order to get banned.. you have to actually break rules! Why don't you understand this? It didn't work on Blah... and it most definately will not work here.

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invownedlol

[LadyPunjab]

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Fact is they bot, and must be banned.

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For Invincible menbers to get banned, then RM menbers would also get banned, since they bot just as much, probably even more..

[Bhodosativa]

The only things our members get banned for is their foul mouthes =P

[AvatarRR]

lol rm

[NakedLeader]

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Can i join this **********ing?

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OMG Pro... you're alive... ALIVE!!!! :cool:

[ProdaznayaShkura]

shhhh thats a secret :)

[Intra]

someone said that there are many RM badwagon clans and there are massive russian ppl.
In some part that is correct, but, u all must to know that clans (with high lvls ppl and non russians) have approached TL & Inv to contribute Inv alliance and politics but TL denied cause a member was ex-RM who quited game :O.

So dont disslike the massive bandwagons when Inv denies clans for a toon (not the person behind the toon)

just FYI the clan has a full DD party with POF

No harms gl cya in game ;)

[Bhodosativa]

What are you talking about. We currently play with ex-RM members... as well as current RM members that they (RM) aren't aware of.

But you are right though. There are certain people that he sees as flakes... bandwagoners... fare weather friends... that he does not want to see in the ally. But it is much less than you are alluding to.

[Everard]

Personally i like some people in both alliances, but alot are not good, and bot protectors, and loud mouth heroes. But there are some really good guys in both and they just want to play. Invincible admits that they are not squeaky clean, and RM does seem to think they are awesome beyond all comparison and as legit as jesus himself. But the whole thing is neither side can come clean like 100%, even if they did, everyone knows it anyway, guess thats the point of this thread tho, for people to stop pretending. Anyway isnt RM going to the new server if there is one? So Invincible can own the server 100% then ;)

anyway im a "nobody" to all the big clans, OGD kills ppl with the threat "ill get RM heroes on u", even 1 instance when i trained a bot party and they wanted their room back "RM are coming". GreenFire think they own all of the Giran area and its rightfully theirs cos they got a giran clan hall. Also a clan i believe to be a "pet" clan of RM,Domination, griefed me out of a lvling zone while their friend was botting and i was killing all the mobs. HeartBreakers/Sleepers never done anything to me, sure they bot, but so does RM and atleast Invin doesnt grief random ppl. I have however seen high lvl Invin ppl kill legit ppl in catacombs cos they hav had their botting room stolen and hav come to protect them. And i hav seen and petitioned to know avail, a certain someone botted up in a random clan then to leave and join heartbreakers. UAE/Tinania Farmer/botting clan, i couldnt get a room in a catacomb for a week waiting for the Tinania bots to lvl and move up a catacomb. And now i see another botting clan "blank" as im sure their minds are. Its everywhere on Franz, every clan has a "he dont talk much but he lvls pretty fast" character. The actual ppl when they are on are really nice, but they bot which lowers the tone a bit.

I get the whole RM/Invin rivalry going on, and its what the games about, but botting and w/e wasnt the way ur spose to out do eachother.

[Deviona]

GG everard knows his stuff

[EvaSaint]

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even 1 instance when i trained a bot party and they wanted their room back "RM are coming".

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RM Can't come .... dusk won LOL

[Everard]

Haha ^^