CP pots QHP, and Illigal Programs

[Ricca]

Beyond the scope of just out and out botting there's the many things that NCSoft has fell to address. CP pots and QHP's were a great idea, but like so many things that have gone wrong in this game, its usefulness has come to an end. When a PvP'er has his "illigal program" running that auto Pops any thing he needs in a so called "Player vs Player" fight its time to get rid of that particular "enhancement". I can only remember one time that NCSoft saw something that was completely wrong and fixed it. Anyone remember the lvl40 Daggers that could drop your lvl65 toon? Yeah, thought u might. Why r we the only ones that see this. And why does it take NCSoft a full Chronicle to fix a mistake? CP pots with a time limit, ever thought about that?
As games go i often wonder at whether r not GM's still exist. I get the same message each time i report an obvious bot crew. How hard would it be for a GM to roam the different servers. To move through the Catas' and Necro's. To see what we see everyday. Does every question have a prefab answer? Or do u still have a few GM's that look into or at the game at the time a play sends in a petition.

Here's the one thing i would like to see. If you could do this in the game i'd never bother u again, Ever. When a player goes "Red", and later is killed. If he drops an item make it vanished. Noone can pick it up, its just gone. So when these pker's go red on someone for no reason, then run back to clan hall. Get a clannie to kill them to erase the red, if they drop something i want it gone, gone, gone. No pick up and hand it back i want it gone. If u can do that, my love for you would never change.
Had to edit, didn't take me long to figure out whats wrong with this thought. Would only work if ur not allowed to trade, at all, with anything or anyone. Or drop your items. Because all you'd have to do is get in CH and drop everything then let someone kill ya, or put it all in your own WH then let someone kill ya. Any type of trade must be cut off for this to have a chance to be worth it. But hey, its my dream, and i can dream it all i want.
Feel free to post what u think would be good for the game. Not that NCSoft has ever asked us lol.

[96ciddiR]

Some good points and some bad points but one thing to remember, no real gamer reads these and if u posted this somewhere ealse they do read they would tell u that most people have macro's set up for pots its not the 3rd pt program. Yet this is just a "noob" (the noob being you) not realizeing that these forums for the most part are dead and in reality not knowing how to play the game to if full meaning

[righteousOne]

seriously the red dropped items vanishing would hurt those that hunt reds more then them. A red player in a clan hall can jsut trade their gear to a clannie before being killed.

[Nuku]

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most people have macro's set up for pots its not the 3rd pt program. Yet this is just a "noob" (the noob being you) not realizeing that these forums for the most part are dead and in reality not knowing how to play the game to if full meaning

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actually Ricca is right, alot of ppl use a 3rd party program to automate the use CP pots during pvp so ppl can concentrate more on fighting (nostromo or something??) it was said it was ok to use aslong u were actively busy with ur toon. (?)

i would say such a program is illegal... :mad:

[Zerberus]

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actually Ricca is right, alot of ppl use a 3rd party program to automate the use CP pots during pvp so ppl can concentrate more on fighting (nostromo or something??) it was said it was ok to use aslong u were actively busy with ur toon. (?)

i would say such a program is illegal... :mad:

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afaik nostromo is a gaming mouse with programmable buttons .... cp pots spaming = press button and activate macro, press again to deactivate :mad:
the G15 gaming keyboard from Logitech has also such buttons but the keyboard software is blocked by gameguard by now :eek:

[ArtbuntRector]

i dont know any 3rd party programs that can be set up to use cp pots really. come on QQ

[Ricca]

Noob? Prolly started the game before u figure out games even existed. And to me the use of CP pots is u, being u, unable to take a player on in PvP. Most of u, being u, forget that PvP was Player vs Player, not Player vs "all the ways u could get around getting ur a.. took". Remove the CP pots, then u, being u, will prolly be removed as a player. Your skills should be just that, YOUR SKILLS. But u wouldn't know anything about that would ya. So, next time u have some comments "noob" make them worth the time it took u to type them. Or keep them to yourself.

[Ricca]

Seriously, catching a red now is like winning the L2 lottery, if u happen to find one without a BSOE and kill him u should go buy yourself a real lottery ticket. To many options for those that go red for it to actually mean anything anymore. Don't really know what game ur playing but its not the one i see everyday. But then hey, this is my opion, and we know what those r equal to don't we.

[HTI]

ok. lets set some things straight here...
1) Yes there are 3rd party programs out there that can use CP pots. but they only use greater ones, and they are slow....
2) Nostromo macro's can be set up to spam potions. but NCsoft said this is not a 3rd party program, I believe they even fixed problems with the G15 not working properly.
The Nostromo is just a macro. it cannot read the game (like check how much HP of CP you have)
3) its not that hard to put CP potions on your hotbar (or a macro to use normal cp pots 2) and hammer on it while your fighting. If you are to slow to hit the CP button and the attack button @ the same time. then thats your lack of skill.. dont go accuse the ppl that can press 2 buttons @ once of cheating....

I agree however that 1v1 PvP comes down to who can carry the most potions these days.... was way better when CP pots still had a delay.

oh. and ricca. you cant go around calling ppl noobs.. as you can see the other ppl that post here all have accounts dating back form open beta to C1. you started when the game was already 2 years old

[Nuku]

Registration date on the forums doesn't tell when someone started the game, also fyi.. the boards were reset mid C1, everyone had the register again on the boards, so noone here has a registration date during beta anymore.


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actually Ricca is right, alot of ppl use a 3rd party program to automate the use CP pots during pvp so ppl can concentrate more on fighting (nostromo or something??) it was said it was ok to use aslong u were actively busy with ur toon. (?)

i would say such a program is illegal... :mad:

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afaik nostromo is a gaming mouse with programmable buttons .... cp pots spaming = press button and activate macro, press again to deactivate :mad:
the G15 gaming keyboard from Logitech has also such buttons but the keyboard software is blocked by gameguard by now :eek:

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ok thx dark for telling, didn't know that

[Ricca]

Actually i started when the game was 4 months old. But my comments were for one person only. And the conversation was about making the game a little bit more even for those of us who don't make a living as PvP'ers and if ganked would prefer a fight that wasn't one sided due to someones game "enhancements". Not very cool when a party of 2 can gank a party of 8 or 9 because then have a CP pot and QHP game enhancement. So the noob thing was me venting to the person who he referred to me as such. But, if u all feel that its cool to have "Professional" gankers, with all that goes along with them then more power to ya. And sorry i haven't gotten around to doing Macros that'll "pot" me through a PvP moment. Just thought u all might think NCSoft was slow to fix what i feel has become one of the worst things the game has to offer. But hey if more of u feel its cool thats prolly why it'll never change. And gank squads will live on.

The date that i registered on this site does not reflex my actual game time. Aug. 2004.

[Veansa]

Nostromo is not an illegal program so CRY MORE PLEASE.

[Ricca]

No clue as to what Nostromo is, and u all r starting to use the "Cry" thing a tad to much. Falls under the category of "Whatever" said in your best Valley Girl voice.

[Veansa]

Its what they use to spam the cp pots and [censored] that fast.

[TheOverlord]

Nostromo game pad, it is sold in some computer stores and other places for about 28-30 bucks. It is like having another mouse or a smaller keyboard. You can program the different keys to perform certain actions. It isn't 3rd party software, it's like having a smaller keyboard or 50 button mouse for your other hand. Allowing you to use certain buttons from your quickbar or w/e. It's like having a steering wheel or joystick to play a game. It just makes things a little bit easier.

[Spudnik]

you dont need nostromo to automate CPpot usage. simple 5 button mouse can do that no problems. then youve got your CP at your mouse instead of on the number shortcuts where your skills are.

[SleeplessKnight]

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Actually i started when the game was 4 months old. .......making the game a little bit more even for those of us who don't make a living as PvP'ers and if ganked would prefer a fight that wasn't one sided due to someones game "enhancements"... But hey if more of u feel its cool thats prolly why it'll never change. And gank squads will live on.

The date that i registered on this site does not reflex my actual game time. Aug. 2004.

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Ok...so if you have been playing that long then you can remember when there was no CP bar and QHP and CP pots did not exisit....was there gank squads....um ya! Removing these items or even modifying the usage ability of these items will not change a thing. If ppl want to gank...they are gonna gank.

As for reds and item drops etc....well ur only considering those folks who are being jerks....wat about those folks (like myself) who do server community service by having several permareds posted in necros and other such places with the explicit purpose of wiping out bot trains? Have you considered how your 'suggestion' would impact that scenario? Just remeber that not all reds are there to kill YOU.

As for the nostromo....who cares? My buddy has one...handy device but if ur good with your keyboard (or mouse as one person mentioned) u can easily duplicate what the nostromo does with a simple ingame macro:
/useshortcut x x <--- QHP
/useshortcut x y <---major CP pot
/useshortcut x z <---lesser CP pot
/delay 1
/useshortcut x y
/useshortcut x z
/delay 1
/useshortcut x y
/useshortcut x z

BANG u can now spam CP pots with the best of them. ;)

[Zerberus]

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As for the nostromo....who cares? My buddy has one...handy device but if ur good with your keyboard (or mouse as one person mentioned) u can easily duplicate what the nostromo does with a simple ingame macro:
/useshortcut x x <--- QHP
/useshortcut x y <---major CP pot
/useshortcut x z <---lesser CP pot
/delay 1
/useshortcut x y
/useshortcut x z
/delay 1
/useshortcut x y
/useshortcut x z

BANG u can now spam CP pots with the best of them. ;)

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but the only problem would be that as soon as u press any key or click somewhere with your mouse the macro is broken :eek: (afaik this doesn't happen to a nostromo user .... :) )

[SleeplessKnight]

agreed, the nostromo controller will continue whereas the macro will not...so press the macro again! I have tried both ways and found there to be a very nominal advantage with the use of the nostromo...but i suppose that is more due to the fact i am much more comfortable with the keyboard than i am with the nostromo...all in all it is not that big of an advantage when in most pvp situations u will tend to use a max of 4 to 5 keys....and the CP shortcut 'should' be one of the most used shortcut with the exception of the attack shortcut.

Basically, to complain that you lost pvp cause the other guy had a nostromo is a fairly lame imo.