HE or Gladi

[JayZ]

Which of these classes are better. Which would win on 1vs1 pvp. and which levels faster. just wondering what peoples opinions are on this topic../discuss

[AshaneFB]

1v1 HE early, Glad late, assuming self buffed. (Late:78+)

Faster leveling is a toss up TBH. With proper support, a Glad can AoE well into his later levels and fly by the average exp of a HE. If you do not have that proper support, a HE would.

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Those are two radically different classes if you dont mind me saying so :P

The HE is your typical PvP Machine later on in properly setup groups. The Glad is a very tricky beast and only gains its power in the very late game, where its still a difficult class to master compared to a HE. (Assist is about as hard as it gets playing a Archer. A Glad is a whole nother deal)

[ArtbuntRector]

pally.

[GabrielK]

Glad. Why? Well, HE is nothing spectacular. Gladi can be quite spectacular and a show stopper. 78+ that is. :p
Not to say the two classes are, as a poster before me said, radically different. What do you like to play exactly?

[JayZ]

Well i have a lvl 40 HE right now.but before I continue to level further i wanted to see if maybe a gladi would be better. These 2 classes are the main classes that i would like to play so i wanted to see how they match up. I also have a lvl 70 BD that i just retired, thats probably why i didnt go gladi since i wanted to try the bow out rather than go with duals again.

[Mulch]

Get 75 and sub, you can try both out at lvl 40 then ;)

However Glads mature late, so you won't get a real feel for how they play in end game that early.

[GabrielK]

That's hardly a solution :p.

[Tarun]

HE's benefit much, much more from buffs. Fully buffed (full prophet buffs, dances, songs, etc), HE's would win by a long shot based on what I've seen. I'm not ruling out that the glads I've seen might just suck.

[james45]

Glads are pretty much useless in any type of PvP vs a HE, haven't lost to one yet in 1v1, mass pvp, whatever (im talking 78/79 Glads, IC heavy ++ duals and boss jewels). In olympiad its a different story..

[GabrielK]

As long as not the class you play matters but how much you "pwn" with it, go with one of the fotm class of the moment.
So as they said, HE might be better in the long run considering you won't be going 78++ over night (lol); GLAD only in later levels (end game) is awsome with proper gear and augments (lol @ Diego V), and even then people hate them so much (i still see no point in talking about end game glads as lolglad, as they pretty much rp any class) that they won't admit they kick axx.
I would consider GLAD to be much more spectacular and hell of alot cooler then HE, and yet again if this does not matter, choose HE.
Decide for yourself, that's usually the best, chew in what was said here and check discussions on both classes (ignoring those classes FANBOYS/GIRLS as they are somewhat on the brain damage side (not to say ret.....)) and make up your mind.

Making 75 and subbing doesn't seem like viable solution to me, but you know better what time you have :p.

[Yarieos]

Gladis are subpar to HEs in just about everything minus Olympiad. There is a reason every alliance has full Hawkeye groups you know, i have yet to see 1 Gladi group :P
I could go onto my HE sub now and destroy a 78 Gladi, just like most archers can with proper support.

[GabrielK]

Well, that's just a mistake of HEs, they're overpowered (overused term) :D.
But mostly I would say it matters what one likes, and if you can't decide between them then play both, if you can't play both, well, give up on L2 :o.

Joking. Sure, I'm beeing mean, but this discussion is going nowhere :o.

Goodluck in your decisions :).

[DrakkosIV]

Yeah, just run either one up to 78+ and see which you like better! (lmao).

...um, you actually have to PLAY them for a long time to tell.

I don't know didly about either class but it seems to me like this question: would you rather have a machine gun or a cruise missile? Generally it's best to have a cruise missile (HE).

If you already have an HE at 40 then run it up to B-grade and see how it feels. 40-52 takes awhile by yourself but perhaps in that time you'll find things to appreciate. Also you have to ask what you do most of in the game...if you intend to pvp with your clan, they'd probably prefer the HE leveled. If you just want to level a toon to x-level and play the game then perhaps the Gladi is a legit choice for you.

I'll say that the 1-40 human archer seems to level faster as a dagger (and cheaper) but admittedly I have no idea how to play a human archer at even low levels.

Can't imagine leveling a glad or what purpose they might serve....I suppose as a DD in exp groups they might have a good role but those groups would at least accept a strong archer as quickly as the gladi anyway. Meh--like most I'd think it came down to playstyle details, goals, and your preferences.

My uninformed 2 cents.

[AshaneFB]

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Gladis are subpar to HEs in just about everything minus Olympiad. There is a reason every alliance has full Hawkeye groups you know, i have yet to see 1 Gladi group :P
I could go onto my HE sub now and destroy a 78 Gladi, just like most archers can with proper support.

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"Proper support" being the key word there :)

Although frankly a well played late game glad will give a HE some issues, but the HE would still win.

I dont think a Glad could dish out enough damage before sonic move ended to kill the HE who is just going to kite the glad around like nothing.

I'd still pick a Glad though. HE is about as boring as sin. Assist, crit, crit, dead... repeat. No skills, nothing flashy, my G15 could PvP as a HE without a issue. Glad and a few other classes are perhaps the only ones in this game that I'd say require real player skill to play properly.

[GabrielK]

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Gladis are subpar to HEs in just about everything minus Olympiad. There is a reason every alliance has full Hawkeye groups you know, i have yet to see 1 Gladi group :P
I could go onto my HE sub now and destroy a 78 Gladi, just like most archers can with proper support.

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"Proper support" being the key word there :)

Although frankly a well played late game glad will give a HE some issues, but the HE would still win.

I dont think a Glad could dish out enough damage before sonic move ended to kill the HE who is just going to kite the glad around like nothing.

I'd still pick a Glad though. HE is about as boring as sin. Assist, crit, crit, dead... repeat. No skills, nothing flashy, my G15 could PvP as a HE without a issue. Glad and a few other classes are perhaps the only ones in this game that I'd say require real player skill to play properly.

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Wow, this coming from a Hawkeye :eek: :)

And I have to say it after all: GO gladie, oodles more fun and it is challenging. That's what I would go (and even did so, yeah, my second main :-S). Never mind you current lvl 40 HE, try a gladi to 52++ don't expect to rule but expect it to be extremely fun overall.

[MikoLee]

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Gladis are subpar to HEs in just about everything minus Olympiad. There is a reason every alliance has full Hawkeye groups you know, i have yet to see 1 Gladi group :P
I could go onto my HE sub now and destroy a 78 Gladi, just like most archers can with proper support.

[/ QUOTE ]actually same lvl a glad will [censored] a hawkeye. and i ve seen a 68 glad [censored] S grade archers in the arena with b grade weaps. 78 lvl glad VS 78 lvl he no matter what the buffs and boss jewels, i think the gladiator wins 9 out of 10 times. On open field it should be about 50/50. Anyway if u dont believe me i can arrange a fight in the arena for u to see :p

[james45]

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Gladis are subpar to HEs in just about everything minus Olympiad. There is a reason every alliance has full Hawkeye groups you know, i have yet to see 1 Gladi group :P
I could go onto my HE sub now and destroy a 78 Gladi, just like most archers can with proper support.

[/ QUOTE ]actually same lvl a glad will [censored] a hawkeye. and i ve seen a 68 glad [censored] S grade archers in the arena with b grade weaps. 78 lvl glad VS 78 lvl he no matter what the buffs and boss jewels, i think the gladiator wins 9 out of 10 times. On open field it should be about 50/50. Anyway if u dont believe me i can arrange a fight in the arena for u to see :p

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How is a fight in the arena worth [censored]? Open field pvp anywhere on the map where you can just kite the glad, you wouldn't have a chance..
50/50 chance? more like 90/10 in favour of the HE.

[AshaneFB]

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Gladis are subpar to HEs in just about everything minus Olympiad. There is a reason every alliance has full Hawkeye groups you know, i have yet to see 1 Gladi group :P
I could go onto my HE sub now and destroy a 78 Gladi, just like most archers can with proper support.

[/ QUOTE ]actually same lvl a glad will [censored] a hawkeye. and i ve seen a 68 glad [censored] S grade archers in the arena with b grade weaps. 78 lvl glad VS 78 lvl he no matter what the buffs and boss jewels, i think the gladiator wins 9 out of 10 times. On open field it should be about 50/50. Anyway if u dont believe me i can arrange a fight in the arena for u to see :p

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How is a fight in the arena worth [censored]? Open field pvp anywhere on the map where you can just kite the glad, you wouldn't have a chance..
50/50 chance? more like 90/10 in favour of the HE.

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Gotta agree.

I mean, take away the greatest strength of a Archer (their ability to kite) then say they'd lose is like a big ol DUH stamped on your forehead.

In a open field fight, the Gladiator would need to rely on Sonic Move to reach the Archer and kill him/her before it ended. Is it "possible"? Sure, if he timed it just right and managed to dish out enough burst DPS (Which Glad's are good at..).

However its very unlikely.

[MikoLee]

u can still kite in the arena :p anyway...

up to prophet buffs+cov i think a glad that knows how to play, has pvp dyes, and is 78+ can kill a HE no matter what the situation. guess u have to wait until my friend gets to 78 to show u :p
now if u add cp pots to the situation, HE might win in the end since he can carry more. if he is lucky enough and teh glad doesnt get 2 skill crits in row

[AshaneFB]

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u can still kite in the arena :p anyway...

up to prophet buffs+cov i think a glad that knows how to play, has pvp dyes, and is 78+ can kill a HE no matter what the situation. guess u have to wait until my friend gets to 78 to show u :p
now if u add cp pots to the situation, HE might win in the end since he can carry more. if he is lucky enough and teh glad doesnt get 2 skill crits in row

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Answer one, simple question:

How is the Glad going to catch a HE kiting?

Answer: They arent. Rage, Blaster etc are not enough to kill a HE.

No one needs to see "your friend" the amazing Glad. I'm pretty positive he coudnt hold a candle to Diego or Giccobe or some of the other Gladiators around.

[MikoLee]

i hope u will still remember those words in 1 or 2 months from now. Diego's -dex setup is crap. he may know how to calculate damage, but as far as pvp goes and how it works he sux. trust me.

Anyway... the glad will be able to catch up to the HE at least once. that will probably be when he uses stunshot or doubleshot. and glad also has dash. so does the HE i know. if HE is smart enough and fast enough to use dash simultaneously with the glad then he may have a chance to avoid the tss-dss combo. anyway talk is cheap :p too bad 99% of the glad population suck so much is all i can say

[kayosoni_]

glad skills really don't do much damage to fully buffed he. I can out cp-pot glads easilly.

[JayZ]

Thanks alot for everyones info, I can say the one thing i dont like about the HE is few skills, all they mainly get is power shot, stun shot, double shot..and thats about it in attack skills...but thats not a huge deal...i guees in the end it might just come down to which class will i have more fun leveling to 76 +

[AshaneFB]

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Anyway... the glad will be able to catch up to the HE at least once. that will probably be when he uses stunshot or doubleshot. and glad also has dash. so does the HE i know. if HE is smart enough and fast enough to use dash simultaneously with the glad then he may have a chance to avoid the tss-dss combo. anyway talk is cheap :p too bad 99% of the glad population suck so much is all i can say

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Why would you use stunshot or doubleshot and risk the glad getting in close?

That would be perhaps the stupidest thing you could do. If you dont *need* to stun a target... dont.

Again, if your fighting a stupid HE, you'd win. Otherwise there is no way in hell you could catch a HE and win that fight.. PERIOD.

[MikoLee]

i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

[AshaneFB]

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i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

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L2P a Archer please.

[Mulch]

I won against a 77 glad in Oly ^^ Dashed when he did, one hamstring and 2 lucky stuns saved the day ++++spam skills, does more dmg without boss jewels at least... survived with 170hp left buahahahaaa and i was _druuuunk_ to boot!!!!

In open field it's much easier against glads, just keep them awaaaay with Hamstring and you're fine. hamstring shot really makes a big difference in those small fights :>

[AshaneFB]

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In open field it's much easier against glads, just keep them awaaaay with Hamstring and you're fine. hamstring shot really makes a big difference in those small fights :>

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Yup.

How many times would you use Lethal Shot in that situation? ;p

[MikoLee]

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i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

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L2P a Archer please.

[/ QUOTE ]no thank you. i hate archers. im just telling u what i see others do in most situations. spam skills and shoot normal arrows while skills reset to spam them again afterwards. only when they have songs+dances do they rely solely on normal attacks. if that sux dont blame me, blame 90% of the archer population that doesnt know how to properly play its class.

ps: i never claimed im pro at playing archers

[LucyfurZaana]

lots of b.s. going on in this thread, which is obvious, as these type of threads turn into nothing but flames, class vs. class wars.

anyHoo, any given day, any given time, both classes can defeat each other. all depends on the player and their knowledge of the class, the geography where the fight is happening, and what not. (this doesnt entail siege pvp, as that type of pvp is totally different than frequent/random skirmishes we all encounter during the grind).

lastly to the OP, a glad will level faster than a HE, glads are more 'fun' when grinding compared to the 2/3 buttons used in playing an archer, glads not only get dual masteries, they also get sword/blunt and pole (upto lvl 8 - which allows you to do AoE if that is your cup of tea). both classes have theirs ups and downs, just like EVERY class in L2 has advantages and disadvantages.

bottom line, play to have fun, learn to play your class to perfection, and i repeat again, play to have fun.

/god bless <3

[kayosoni_]

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i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

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L2P a Archer please.

[/ QUOTE ]no thank you. i hate archers. im just telling u what i see others do in most situations. spam skills and shoot normal arrows while skills reset to spam them again afterwards. only when they have songs+dances do they rely solely on normal attacks. if that sux dont blame me, blame 90% of the archer population that doesnt know how to properly play its class.

ps: i never claimed im pro at playing archers

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then 90% of archer population have no idea how to play an archer.

skills are useless except in olympiad. (except stunshot)

[AshaneFB]

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i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

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L2P a Archer please.

[/ QUOTE ]no thank you. i hate archers. im just telling u what i see others do in most situations. spam skills and shoot normal arrows while skills reset to spam them again afterwards. only when they have songs+dances do they rely solely on normal attacks. if that sux dont blame me, blame 90% of the archer population that doesnt know how to properly play its class.

ps: i never claimed im pro at playing archers

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90% of the archers on Gustin maybe, thats your prob, not mine.

[2tfm]

well ive played both classes, and id say they are pretty even in pvp, ive 4 shot HE's in open fields, ive also been 4 shot in open fields, it all depends on the situation. From everything ive read in this thread is all coming down to "in the perfect situation" in other word with full buffs, and dance, and songs, and gear, and epics...blah blah blah, who runs around with all that? im a lvl 78 duelist, who pvps with clan hall buffs (yes lvl 1 haste, focus, dw) and I routinely kill, or make all classes bsoe, but I also die my fair share of the time too (i never bsoe, with clan luck lvl 2, and a clan hall its not cost effective to have bsoes)

It all comes down to how you pvp, and who your pvping against, there is no way to say one class is better than others because ive seen a lvl 77 BH mess up mages, and archers, so nothing is set in stone where pvp is involved.

[MikoLee]

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i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

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L2P a Archer please.

[/ QUOTE ]no thank you. i hate archers. im just telling u what i see others do in most situations. spam skills and shoot normal arrows while skills reset to spam them again afterwards. only when they have songs+dances do they rely solely on normal attacks. if that sux dont blame me, blame 90% of the archer population that doesnt know how to properly play its class.

ps: i never claimed im pro at playing archers

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90% of the archers on Gustin maybe, thats your prob, not mine.

[/ QUOTE ]do u think it will a problem for u too if i slash your [censored] with a chainsaw?

to the point... why dont you enlighten us on how to play this l337 class as ppl do on your l337 invisible server full of l337 invincible hawkeyes mister?

tyty

[AshaneFB]

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i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

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L2P a Archer please.

[/ QUOTE ]no thank you. i hate archers. im just telling u what i see others do in most situations. spam skills and shoot normal arrows while skills reset to spam them again afterwards. only when they have songs+dances do they rely solely on normal attacks. if that sux dont blame me, blame 90% of the archer population that doesnt know how to properly play its class.

ps: i never claimed im pro at playing archers

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90% of the archers on Gustin maybe, thats your prob, not mine.

[/ QUOTE ]do u think it will a problem for u too if i slash your [censored] with a chainsaw?

to the point... why dont you enlighten us on how to play this l337 class as ppl do on your l337 invisible server full of l337 invincible hawkeyes mister?

tyty

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That would be Bartz....

As to enlightening you, you hate archers, whats the point?

You think we all run around doing double shots & leathals all day. I cant help you, no one can.

[GabrielK]

I enjoy playing dual wielder and setting off those skills alot. My ownly complaint is the incredible slow attack speed compared to my PW :p.
It's just that the difference makes me feel like i attack in slow-motion :p.
HE still tells me nothing, most archers don't thou.

[MikoLee]

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i was talking about pp+cov buffs. arent u going to use doubleshot or lethalshot with those buffs? just shoot and kite? and kite every shot so that range stays >=601 at all times? this way u will be visiting a lot of towns on the way

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L2P a Archer please.

[/ QUOTE ]no thank you. i hate archers. im just telling u what i see others do in most situations. spam skills and shoot normal arrows while skills reset to spam them again afterwards. only when they have songs+dances do they rely solely on normal attacks. if that sux dont blame me, blame 90% of the archer population that doesnt know how to properly play its class.

ps: i never claimed im pro at playing archers

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90% of the archers on Gustin maybe, thats your prob, not mine.

[/ QUOTE ]do u think it will a problem for u too if i slash your [censored] with a chainsaw?

to the point... why dont you enlighten us on how to play this l337 class as ppl do on your l337 invisible server full of l337 invincible hawkeyes mister?

tyty

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That would be Bartz....

As to enlightening you, you hate archers, whats the point?

You think we all run around doing double shots & leathals all day. I cant help you, no one can.

[/ QUOTE ]lolbartz.

nuff said

[kayosoni_]

you're such a troll

[_Charmille_]

If anything, Gustin falls into the Lolserver category. Same for Gladis who think they can always win in open field versus a kiting archer.

And yeah, only times I see ppl spam skills, is either in oly or at the arena.

[Nanashi_Naomhan]

stupid archers spam skills
doesn't bother me it just means in a few mins they will be running back to town before i've gone through 5% of my cp pots :P

[Mulch]

With BD/SWS, the only skill you want to use is Hamstring shot to make life easier on yourself, and only needed on high HP/Pdef targets. Stun is almost useless atm, but it's nice if it lands or make them lose target.

Skills should only be used at max range, if you want to use them at all.

PS. HE's can carry a lot more pots than Glads, even with -CON :p

[LucyfurZaana]

i've a question since we are on this topic. its related to using a bow and its range. i know that archers get 900 range, now i could be wrong but it seems that if a toon thats NOT an archer uses a bow, the range seems to be decreased than tha original number, is this true?

[AshaneFB]

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i've a question since we are on this topic. its related to using a bow and its range. i know that archers get 900 range, now i could be wrong but it seems that if a toon thats NOT an archer uses a bow, the range seems to be decreased than tha original number, is this true?

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Truth.

Archer also gets more then 900 range (although frankly it appears buggy to me..) once they get Archery mastery.

[MikoLee]

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With BD/SWS, the only skill you want to use is Hamstring shot to make life easier on yourself, and only needed on high HP/Pdef targets. Stun is almost useless atm, but it's nice if it lands or make them lose target.

Skills should only be used at max range, if you want to use them at all.

PS. HE's can carry a lot more pots than Glads, even with -CON :p

[/ QUOTE ]it was stated that we were talking about pp+pof/cov buffs. no dances+songs+catbuff,etc. does spamming skills like that outdamage regular hits? no ant queen. no baium

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i've a question since we are on this topic. its related to using a bow and its range. i know that archers get 900 range, now i could be wrong but it seems that if a toon thats NOT an archer uses a bow, the range seems to be decreased than tha original number, is this true?

[/ QUOTE ]daggers get 600 range and rest of non-archers get 500. archers can actually hit 1300 range max (he+snipe+archery) i think...

[Mulch]

Daggers have 700 range.

Never tried just spamming skills in open PVP, but double and leathal shots are good when you're not with a BD or SWS, and you have +STR dyes for higher crit chance on skills.

[MikoLee]

yeap 700 my bad.

[Husje]

If we talk about endgame level’s, the HE has only more chance to win if he/she has full buff (including song/dance/cov). 1 vs. 1 outside with just let’s say prophet buffs, the glad has more chance to win unless the HE lands a lethal. DW + boss jewels aren’t going to cut against a gladiator who is in IC with good pdef buffs.

Also, I don’t understand why the glad has to be in a situation where he has to chase the HE on a straight blank road from TI to Aden. Use the friggin environment to your advantage instead of chasing some archer like a zombie.

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Glads are pretty much useless in any type of PvP vs. a HE, haven't lost to one yet in 1v1, mass pvp, whatever (im talking 78/79 Glads, IC heavy ++ duals and boss jewels). In olympiad its a different story..

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What are you talking about? You never faced a 78/79 Glad, IC heavy ++ duals and boss jewels in a 1 vs. 1 situation [censored]. The only 1 vs. 1 PvP’s you know are the ones in VoS and those involve ganking subs. Amazingly, you still lose against lower level SH’s or daggers on your uber PvP machine sgrade archer there...

[Mulch]

Totally true :)

[kayosoni_]

what are you talking about husje, I beat groups of 3+ glads with bd by myself with just prophet buffs easilly.

[GabrielK]

You mean to say you kited 3+ glads around with your sagi (with bd and pp buffs) and killed them all? lvl 78 glads with similar buffs and S grade?

Hmmm... :)

[MikoLee]

as i said, few ppl know how to properly play/setup a glad. so winning against 3 or 4 of them (possibly bought nowadays) isnt sth to brag about

[kayosoni_]

the glads had bd + prophet + se. I had only prophet buffs (no pof)

and this is hero glad included.

[MikoLee]

gg erica then.

oh and u rock

[DevilStar]

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the glads had bd + prophet + se. I had only prophet buffs (no pof)

and this is hero glad included.

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Those players obviously sucked major donkey wang.

[Nightfox]

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Those players obviously sucked major donkey wang.

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For sure.

[BladeQueen]

o.O
i can carry 280 of both cp pots in ic heavy
how many can a he carry :<

[Kanenas]

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o.O
i can carry 280 of both cp pots in ic heavy
how many can a he carry :<

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I am a low level HE lvl 60 and i inform you that we can carry 4k of arrows 10 k of Bss 200 Cp pots 100 GHP 100 NHP 20 GSAP and what ever drops +seed. and this is not a pvp set up... this is a pve setup. you see we get a skill called "Quiver of Holding". TBCH, i dont know how this Passive skill react with dyes... i believe it will be a problem to have +4str -4 con and Maj. maybe someone higher can en light us. i have fought with glady in the same range lvl and cp pots was there to delay the inevitable. imo glady do a good dmg when there is a distant between them and the target but not good enough to kill or to slow you down. if there is no distance or if the HE doesn't run glady will kill him with 3 hits max.

[Slayer_Slate]

Gladis if played correctly will 2 shot a HE. on my glad i could take down about 4 to 5 people and only when i ran out of mp would i start to fall.

[DarthKamikitten]

Jesus guys, lol, under golden buff circumstances even if both classes are played properly both can kill eachother pretty fast, in close range the glad will normally beat the HE, in open field an HE could normal kite a glad, opposite endings can and do still happen in opposite scenarios. Noone will ever be The perfect class... so quit trying to measure the inches already, lol

[Littebunny]

go warlord !!!! :)

[MikoLee]

no matter how u play a glady u cant change the damage output that his skills do. in no way can he 2-shot a HE, even if both of his best skills crit.

[2tfm]

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no matter how u play a glady u cant change the damage output that his skills do. in no way can he 2-shot a HE, even if both of his best skills crit.

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Yes you can, get +str dyes, get certain armor, OE your skills, ive 2 shot archers before.

[LucyfurZaana]

+5STR +4DEX, Tallum Plate, +10 tsu*sls

my past experience on a HE (73 HE, 72 me)
.TSS crit for 5K+
.DSS crit for 4K+
.Blaster crit for 3.5K

/GF

ok not 2-shot, but 3 ;)

(lucky? maybe, not denying it, but its possible)

[AshaneFB]

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+5STR +4DEX, Tallum Plate, +10 tsu*sls

my past experience on a HE (73 HE, 72 me)
.TSS crit for 5K+
.DSS crit for 4K+
.Blaster crit for 3.5K

/GF

ok not 2-shot, but 3 ;)

(lucky? maybe, not denying it, but its possible)

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Was the HE afk and not spamming CP pots?

[GabrielK]

Remove CP pots; Thanks. I find HE boring. Said it before.

[Kanenas]

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+5STR +4DEX, Tallum Plate, +10 tsu*sls

my past experience on a HE (73 HE, 72 me)
.TSS crit for 5K+
.DSS crit for 4K+
.Blaster crit for 3.5K

/GF

ok not 2-shot, but 3

(lucky? maybe, not denying it, but its possible)

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of course only if you catch him... the problem with HE is the buffs. you have two different characters the one is unbuffed which is a mediocre DD with loads of HP but week against magic and due to light armor venerable to physical attack. with buffs you have an excellent DD which can take massive and he will survive to say the story. i found extremely usefull that there is only support class in this game...in other games you have some protections and buffs on your own ...but the dmg output of an HE is tripled when is buffed. i took dmg from an HE in a siege for 10k which i believe only orcs can survive this ..and some tanks

[DarthKamikitten]

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+5STR +4DEX, Tallum Plate, +10 tsu*sls

my past experience on a HE (73 HE, 72 me)
.TSS crit for 5K+
.DSS crit for 4K+
.Blaster crit for 3.5K

/GF

ok not 2-shot, but 3 ;)

(lucky? maybe, not denying it, but its possible)

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Was the HE afk and not spamming CP pots?

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You spam cp pots for 10k+ worth of dmg in the 4 seconds it takes to do those 3 skills? ^^ Once you're close enough for the tss you can usually do dss right after even if the HE is running/kiting and if a glad sees crits that magnitude we know we have time to fully charge to 7 charges and do blaster even if cppots are spammed and still kill our target Without skillcrit, lol :)

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no matter how u play a glady u cant change the damage output that his skills do

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whoever said that is wrong :) Gladdies skilloutput is heavily based on overcharge system yes, and thats the main input for the skill, true but p.atk on weapons (duh) and str tats+armor bonuses and buffs still do a fairly good difference when altering the damage on the skill output.

And you sir who did the tss crit dss crit and blaster crit, yes its a good bit of luck but not too terribly rare that 3 skills crit in a row, i've gotten that skillcrit rate before too, lol ^^

now back to my previous point, debating this is pointless cause both classes will have chances to kill eachother all depending on different circumstances so keeping this debate up is pointless (like i said before) and honestly.. quite childish, just get out the stick and meassure your inches already, lol

[AshaneFB]

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You spam cp pots for 10k+ worth of dmg in the 4 seconds it takes to do those 3 skills? ^^ Once you're close enough for the tss you can usually do dss right after even if the HE is running/kiting and if a glad sees crits that magnitude we know we have time to fully charge to 7 charges and do blaster even if cppots are spammed and still kill our target Without skillcrit, lol

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Your still not going to kill the HE unless hes alone and afk.

As to the CP pots... Got G15 or N52? Why yes, yes I do.

[DarthKamikitten]

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You spam cp pots for 10k+ worth of dmg in the 4 seconds it takes to do those 3 skills? ^^ Once you're close enough for the tss you can usually do dss right after even if the HE is running/kiting and if a glad sees crits that magnitude we know we have time to fully charge to 7 charges and do blaster even if cppots are spammed and still kill our target Without skillcrit, lol

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Your still not going to kill the HE unless hes alone and afk.

As to the CP pots... Got G15 or N52? Why yes, yes I do.

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reuse timer on cppots is 0,5 seconds or so and 200 CP.. elixir is 5 mins and 1k or whatever on me, lol do some maths... i wish you did ;)

[AshaneFB]

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You spam cp pots for 10k+ worth of dmg in the 4 seconds it takes to do those 3 skills? ^^ Once you're close enough for the tss you can usually do dss right after even if the HE is running/kiting and if a glad sees crits that magnitude we know we have time to fully charge to 7 charges and do blaster even if cppots are spammed and still kill our target Without skillcrit, lol

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Your still not going to kill the HE unless hes alone and afk.

As to the CP pots... Got G15 or N52? Why yes, yes I do.

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reuse timer on cppots is 0,5 seconds or so and 200 CP.. elixir is 5 mins and 1k or whatever on me, lol do some maths... i wish you did ;)

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I did the math.. I dont think you did however.

How much CP does a HE have? Your seeming to assume they have 10K+ or something. They dont, and you can and will refill the CP bar by the time blaster comes.. largely negating it.

Your also entirely forgetting about QHP's, but w/e.. your a 6X glad, you obviously know what the hell your talking about right buck-o?

[DarthKamikitten]

Obviously you read me wrong dude :P the dmg output listed far above was 10k+ i never once said a HE had 10k+ CP and once your critted for 9k+ dmg as was listed you're near dead in both CP and HP cp pots or no if you bother to read up. Did i mention Qhp's? doubt it, neither was it in scenario mentioned above so i just left it out entirely, again, read up.

I did make one mistake though, i need to change my sig to 7x gladdie >.< sorry i've been lazy on these boards i dont alter nor check too terribly often

Do you want to have another go at flaming me sir?

[AshaneFB]

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Obviously you read me wrong dude :P the dmg output listed far above was 10k+ i never once said a HE had 10k+ CP and once your critted for 9k+ dmg as was listed you're near dead in both CP and HP cp pots or no if you bother to read up. Did i mention Qhp's? doubt it, neither was it in scenario mentioned above so i just left it out entirely, again, read up.


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Again, that damage dosent come in the space of a second.

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I did make one mistake though, i need to change my sig to 7x gladdie >.< sorry i've been lazy on these boards i dont alter nor check too terribly often

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Grats, your finally 7x glad.. was there a year ago before I quit :X

Sorry, your class sucks, its plain and simple. While they may dominate in the Oly, in open field its more of a joke.

CT1 will help with the crit damage decrease, as they'll be able to soak more, and the new duals will change glad fighting, but still... after TSS, you've got nothing that isnt easily outpot-able.

[MikoLee]

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+5STR +4DEX, Tallum Plate, +10 tsu*sls

my past experience on a HE (73 HE, 72 me)
.TSS crit for 5K+
.DSS crit for 4K+
.Blaster crit for 3.5K

/GF

ok not 2-shot, but 3 ;)

(lucky? maybe, not denying it, but its possible)

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Was the HE afk and not spamming CP pots?

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You spam cp pots for 10k+ worth of dmg in the 4 seconds it takes to do those 3 skills? ^^ Once you're close enough for the tss you can usually do dss right after even if the HE is running/kiting and if a glad sees crits that magnitude we know we have time to fully charge to 7 charges and do blaster even if cppots are spammed and still kill our target Without skillcrit, lol :)

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no matter how u play a glady u cant change the damage output that his skills do

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whoever said that is wrong :) Gladdies skilloutput is heavily based on overcharge system yes, and thats the main input for the skill, true but p.atk on weapons (duh) and str tats+armor bonuses and buffs still do a fairly good difference when altering the damage on the skill output.

And you sir who did the tss crit dss crit and blaster crit, yes its a good bit of luck but not too terribly rare that 3 skills crit in a row, i've gotten that skillcrit rate before too, lol ^^

now back to my previous point, debating this is pointless cause both classes will have chances to kill eachother all depending on different circumstances so keeping this debate up is pointless (like i said before) and honestly.. quite childish, just get out the stick and meassure your inches already, lol

[/ QUOTE ]what i meant is that glad damage is based on certain equations which u cannot change by your playstyle. going +str,using +str/+patk armors,skill oe(lol),etc will do little to glad damage output trust me. only way for a glad to 2-shot an archer is unbuffed in the arena and it means critting both tss dss. eos

[DarthKamikitten]

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Again, that damage dosent come in the space of a second.


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AshaneFB come back when you've read up and understood what i've said cause obviously you still haven't *shrugs* Go away, you got nothing on me what so ever and i dont suffer fools.

Miko, yes it does (after reading my post i suppose i should say; aswell as it doesnt) but we both have different opinions on whats a significant change to skilloutput, thats obvious now so lets just leave that as it is as trying to enforce one persons opinions onto another that base their opinions on other values is pointless. I guess what i'm trying to say is what you think would be insignificant i may think is quite the opposite and vice versa.
Though i was specifically and only referring to said insident and facts thats within your quotations, not open field, not oly not nothing and in that instance tss critted, dss critted And blaster critted. Now it wasn't me mentioning 2shotting an archer so dont give me that credit. Though i have seen it done in most locations as well as i have seen the opposite being done to a glad in most locations aswell. I suppose it depends on how well a gladdie plays his class and the archer plays his. Both classes are perfectly harmless or lethal as they are, it depends solely on who's behind the keyboard at the specific time of action.
Admittance; never done it myself though since i only engage pvp when absolutely necessary and barely even then ^^ Though i have beaten archers before but not as easy as 2shotting, they were better than that and the main reasons i've won those fights is cause i had environment on my side (as in really close quarters). I've been killed way before the **** archers even spawned into my view on my screen too, lol siegefield absolutely minimum settings almost and it took.. uhm.. 3 arrows if i remember correctly, maybe 4 i'm not entirely sure which.

[AshaneFB]

/Winz

[Mulch]

Quiver of holding increase max weight limit by 50%. When i go into PVP battle I have 700-1000 pots of different kinds on me O_o Pretty nice not having to go back to Wh after each fight during a siege ^^

[kayosoni_]

I'm just wondering what kind of gear the HE's you glads fight have to get crit by tss/dss for 10k damage..

76+ glads tss crit me for like 2000.

[AshaneFB]

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I'm just wondering what kind of gear the HE's you glads fight have to get crit by tss/dss for 10k damage..

76+ glads tss crit me for like 2000.

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+0 PL ofc.

(...lol)

[MikoLee]

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I'm just wondering what kind of gear the HE's you glads fight have to get crit by tss/dss for 10k damage..

76+ glads tss crit me for like 2000.

[/ QUOTE ]now should i say lolerica or what...

only way for a 76+ glad to crit u for 2k in A/S grade is with chrono duals (no soulshots too).

have fun

[AshaneFB]

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I'm just wondering what kind of gear the HE's you glads fight have to get crit by tss/dss for 10k damage..

76+ glads tss crit me for like 2000.

[/ QUOTE ]now should i say lolerica or what...

only way for a 76+ glad to crit u for 2k in A/S grade is with chrono duals (no soulshots too).

have fun

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Incorrect, but meh.. :)

[Tarun]

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CT1 will help with the crit damage decrease

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I thought only knights and rogues got the new armor passives.

[Nanashi_Naomhan]

only heavy armor when wore by tanks and light armor by all classes with mastery or so i hear

[DarthKamikitten]

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I'm just wondering what kind of gear the HE's you glads fight have to get crit by tss/dss for 10k damage..

76+ glads tss crit me for like 2000.

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Actually i wonder what stuff the glads you've seen uses... +4 tsu*sls at 68 and my fully charged DSS (not dss, not tss) critted for more than that on 75+ heavy armor (they were still using NM/maj though) people when i tested the improved skills out *shrugs*

[DarthKamikitten]

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only heavy armor when wore by tanks and light armor by all classes with mastery or so i hear

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i never heard anything from anyone but from what i gather, you get the bonus from the armor you have a mastery for so if you could get 3 diff armor masteries you'd get that bonus from any kind of armor you'd use... provided you've leveled that mastery up ofcourse. I'm just speculating on what i've read so far and i could be completely outdated and wrong too... but it'd make sense though. Then again.. this is NC we're talking about.. makin' sense is not one of the things they're big on >.<

[AshaneFB]

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Actually i wonder what stuff the glads you've seen uses... +4 tsu*sls at 68 and my fully charged DSS (not dss, not tss) critted for more than that on 75+ heavy armor (they were still using NM/maj though) people when i tested the improved skills out *shrugs*

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With Shield 3, Earth and Valor?

I'm somehow doubting that... maybe without any buffs.

[DarthKamikitten]

No, not earth, not valor, basic buffsets, as in shield3, might 3 dw focus haste etc. Not even g.shield/g.might for anyone of us

We had equal buffs and the exact same buffer.

**edit** I also should add to the fact that it was a heavy armor user, but it wasn't a tank class, was another Warriortype

[_Charmille_]

- Knight classes' Heavy Armor Mastery reduces critical dmg effect
- all archer/dagger/orc fighters' Light Armor Mastery reduces critical dmg landing rate

No need to speculate when the info is easily obtainable.

[DarthKamikitten]

Ahh thanks charmille. Whats for heavy armor warrior classes though? or light armor for warrior

[AshaneFB]

The issue why Gladiator's dont crit hard is based solely around them not getting benefits for crit damage enhancing buffs/jewels.

Its always a set X2 rate, and thats that. Its further made worse by the fact that a Glad's skills dont benefit hugely from P.Atk, but more from overcharging sonic.

Think of how much threat a Glad would be if Fire, AQ, etc actually upped his skill crit damage?

I think if you gave the guy the appropriate PvP buffs, you'd find your damage would be extremely pathetic, because Gladiators have absolutely no answer to Earth & Valor. (Warrior is a joke compared to Earth, etc)

[Tarun]

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No need to speculate when the info is easily obtainable.

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Well there are plenty of sources to "obtain" info from, but heck if I know which ones are actual facts :/
So far I've heard 4 or 5 different things, and I'm not sure how to tell which are true.

wtb pts.

[kayosoni_]

glads suck except in oly, end of discussion.

[MikoLee]

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I'm just wondering what kind of gear the HE's you glads fight have to get crit by tss/dss for 10k damage..

76+ glads tss crit me for like 2000.

[/ QUOTE ]now should i say lolerica or what...

only way for a 76+ glad to crit u for 2k in A/S grade is with chrono duals (no soulshots too).

have fun

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Incorrect, but meh.. :)

[/ QUOTE ]pretty correct imo. fully charged tss from 74+ glad with chrono maracas no ss = 950-1100 no crit on A-S grade armor wearing archer. so around 2k if it crits. or you think else?

[AshaneFB]

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pretty correct imo. fully charged tss from 74+ glad with chrono maracas no ss = 950-1100 no crit on A-S grade armor wearing archer. so around 2k if it crits. or you think else?

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I'm thinking something else...

818 P.Def unbuffed, 1432 P.Atk Gladiator...TSS damage w/o SS =1363. (Crit being X2 = 2726)

Keep in mind, a A grade archer will get over 818 P.Def. With just DC Robes I can hit 818 without Earth, just Shield+GS.

Consider P.Def of 1300ish... since you seem to know the math behind how a Glad's specials are calculated, what (exactly) would be the damage of TSS without (or with) SS? :)

I can give you the formula if you like. Remeber to keep it simple... if your going to give the Glad +7 S grade duals, you better give the Archer +6 Armor.

[MikoLee]

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pretty correct imo. fully charged tss from 74+ glad with chrono maracas no ss = 950-1100 no crit on A-S grade armor wearing archer. so around 2k if it crits. or you think else?

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I'm thinking something else...

818 P.Def unbuffed, 1432 P.Atk Gladiator...TSS damage w/o SS =1363. (Crit being X2 = 2726)

Keep in mind, a A grade archer will get over 818 P.Def. With just DC Robes I can hit 818 without Earth, just Shield+GS.

Consider P.Def of 1300ish... since you seem to know the math behind how a Glad's specials are calculated, what (exactly) would be the damage of TSS without (or with) SS? :)

I can give you the formula if you like. Remeber to keep it simple... if your going to give the Glad +7 S grade duals, you better give the Archer +6 Armor.

[/ QUOTE ]damage in your first example would be 1286 (2622 with ss) with S grade +4 oe'd duals and duelist spirit lvl 2.

if the archer has 1300ish pdef that would go down to 809 (1650 with ss).

ps: allow a 0,1% error margin in my damage calculations.
pss: in my previous post i used 52 lvl pp buffs for both glady and he to calculate damage. i still insist its 99,99% correct. i have a high lvl glad and figured out how damage is calculated post interlude.

[MikoLee]

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glads suck except in oly, end of discussion.

[/ QUOTE ]come to gustin and i ll kick your [censored] in b grade in the arena, and in equal grade outside. or wait for pts

[kayosoni_]

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glads suck except in oly, end of discussion.

[/ QUOTE ]come to gustin and i ll kick your [censored] in b grade in the arena, and in equal grade outside. or wait for pts

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lol. pts ftw

[Nanashi_Naomhan]

been crit for over 4k with 1200+ pdef
glads are really only scary in olympiad though, in real pvp a bit of quick pot spam will make you invincible vs them