B grade armor for a Tyrant

[Oldfart]

Stick with Plated Leather, Doom, Zubei, BW? And is there much difference?

[Spudnik]

BW heavy or Light?

Doom Heavy or Light?

surely you jest about Zubei ?

pl if you can keep up the mana

[Mat]

In B Grade I had my PL Set & a BW Heavy Set.
(At A Grade a Tallum Set)

[Oldfart]

Sorry, I meant Light Armor in all cases.

[Jimmy_Beam]

Don't use doom light +++ dex is worthless

I've used both zubei's and blue wolf, either does fine if you must have BG.

If you have VR just stay with plated, I still use it when I need to take more damage and the patk bonus is nice.

[Spudnik]

atm i really like Maj heavy. very pointy.

[Jimmy_Beam]

Maj heavy? Sigh....

[KnightOfDarkness]

Jimmy never argue with an idiot; they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. lol

[Jimmy_Beam]

I think once he hits 68 he'll change his tune but he hints at form over function in that post. I've never liked Maj heavy for looks, that's just a IMO. If he likes the looks of it, good for him. ;)

In reality you could fight naked and still do well with full buffs.

[Oldfart]

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atm i really like Maj heavy. very pointy.

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Ya know, I'm pretty sure that's not B grade light armor, but tanks for the tip. Actually, I would think in A grade the stun resistance of Majestic is nice, but I've read so many posters that advise NM LA for A grade. The few that differ, usually seem to like Tallum Heavy for A grade. Me? I've already mostly made up my mind about A grade; it's probably NM LA, with a small chance of Majestic LA.

[KnightOfDarkness]

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atm i really like Maj heavy. very pointy.

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Ya know, I'm pretty sure that's not B grade light armor, but tanks for the tip. Actually, I would think in A grade the stun resistance of Majestic is nice, but I've read so many posters that advise NM LA for A grade. The few that differ, usually seem to like Tallum Heavy for A grade. Me? I've already mostly made up my mind about A grade; it's probably NM LA, with a small chance of Majestic LA.

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NM is better for survival and DC is better for dmg, kindof like theca and plater leather respectably

[Taz]

NM works great for me, I put my boots on my hot bar. With my WC'er buffs I just take my boots on and off to keep my hp low for Bison.

[Oldfart]

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NM works great for me, I put my boots on my hot bar. With my WC'er buffs I just take my boots on and off to keep my hp low for Bison.

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Now there's thought, thanks.
To Spud: Sorry, my last reply was a bit mean. I tend to forget that a lot of Tyrants play in Heavy Armor. But, I think I'm gonna try to play the Tyrant somewhat like the game developers intended. Not to mention, I've already got 3 Heavy Armor toons; been there, done that.

[Jimmy_Beam]

If you have VR from buffs use DC or Plated, if you only have prophet buffs use NM.

btw toggling shots helps manage your hp's also and saves money.

[Oldfart]

I appreciate that advice. I always have access to VR buffs. In fact, in a group with WC buffs, I wouldn't have much choice, as I'm not going to badger a group to do awkward things like making the WC modify his macro and the SE give selective VR buffs. So, yeah, I will likely go for DC light in A grade.

[Taz]

I always go around with WC'er buffs, and NM seams to work good for me. But then I don't have the money to get both so I am not able to see how much difference there is between the two.

[Mat]

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I appreciate that advice. I always have access to VR buffs. In fact, in a group with WC buffs, I wouldn't have much choice, as I'm not going to badger a group to do awkward things like making the WC modify his macro and the SE give selective VR buffs. So, yeah, I will likely go for DC light in A grade.

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Don't forget, in Gracia you will be able to delete the "benefic" buff you don't want.

[Rohirrim]

I used plated leather all the way to a grade and switched to DC light

[LucyfurZaana]

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I used plated leather all the way to a grade and switched to DC light

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+1. same here, but me using NM Light. Saving up to buy either DC or Maj.

[AshleyHunter]

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I used plated leather all the way to a grade and switched to DC light

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+1. same here, but me using NM Light. Saving up to buy either DC or Maj.

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MAJECTIC? for a Tryant? WHY?

[Taz]

To help vs stun maybe, for thoes that might -con +str maybe.

[Spudnik]

like i said before, pointy. maj heavy has nice pointys on it.

also, i am +con-Dex

[KnightOfDarkness]

Orcs have natural stun resist + highest con in the game, majestic only weakens them if your a destro go for tallum, if your a tyrant go for nm light or dc light, definately not majestic thats a dwarfy heavy armor mostly..

[Jimmy_Beam]

pfft save your money and just fight with your thing in swing.

[Cyrk]

Hmm ok let me make this as clear as possible for you. PvE wise:
40-52 PL set
52-61 PL set
61-75 PL set
76-8x PL set
You realy don't need any other armor for exp.

[KnightOfDarkness]

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Hmm ok let me make this as clear as possible for you. PvE wise:
40-52 PL set
52-61 PL set
61-75 PL set
76-8x PL set
You realy don't need any other armor for exp.

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only if you have endgame buffs all the time because even in the 40s PL will get you a lot of damage taken aswell as given

so u basically with high levels continuing to wear PL will give you death. Remember you are not an archer! you cant just destroy things from a distance, you have to take damage

[Cyrk]

Lol. Equal lv wc is enough, no need for endgame buffs. Dude I don't know where you were exping, but either you've choosen wrong spot or you can't play T

[KnightOfDarkness]

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Lol. Equal lv wc is enough, no need for endgame buffs. Dude I don't know where you were exping, but either you've choosen wrong spot or you can't play T

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I can play a tyrant, i'm just saying you take a lot of damage using PL due to it's pdef being the most wimpy ever as if it were plastic armor fully injected with steriods lol

[Cyrk]

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Lol. Equal lv wc is enough, no need for endgame buffs. Dude I don't know where you were exping, but either you've choosen wrong spot or you can't play T

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I can play a tyrant, i'm just saying you take a lot of damage using PL due to it's pdef being the most wimpy ever as if it were plastic armor fully injected with steriods lol

[/ QUOTE ]And that's a good thing. Keeps you <30% HP for bison

[Taz]

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Lol. Equal lv wc is enough, no need for endgame buffs. Dude I don't know where you were exping, but either you've choosen wrong spot or you can't play T

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I can play a tyrant, i'm just saying you take a lot of damage using PL due to it's pdef being the most wimpy ever as if it were plastic armor fully injected with steriods lol

[/ QUOTE ]And that's a good thing. Keeps you <30% HP for bison

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Well it is kind of a problem if you don't have HP SA.

[Cyrk]

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Well it is kind of a problem if you don't have HP SA.

[/ QUOTE ]No not realy.

[Taz]

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Well it is kind of a problem if you don't have HP SA.

[/ QUOTE ]No not realy.

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Again it depends on your setup. Your taking for granted that the tyrant would always have a good healer behind you. I can say with WC'er buffs and my NM light. At 1/3 hp my hp will go up, if I take off my boots my hp goes down. With PL (unless I have everything +'s up high) my hp will always go down.

[Cyrk]

Dude get 75+ and then act like you know anything. What healer lol? If you're tyrant and you need heals you've failed. Both VR and NM light? Failed again. Ok be smart in your little closed world, but don't pull anyone else into it. People will be reading this to get answers how to exp their tyrants and if they listen to your 'advices' they will be stuck at 6x for ages. No seriously how long it took you 1-75 with your pro setup? It took me 2,5 month of [u]LEGIT[u] playing 3-4 hours a day. Let me guess you had your T for over a year and you're still A grade? Grinding in open field spots with 1x mobs and you have VR4+NM on you and you're using ss all the time. You're like a brand new spudnik all over again

[Taz]

Wow, angry much?

When did I ever say I needed a healer with my setup, or where I hunt on 1x hp mobs? I'll check my lvl 68 WC'er while im at it just to make sure im not using VR4 like you say I am. Should I say I am sorry it takes me longer than you to lvl, I don't think so. Maybe it could have something to do with making low lvl toons to help get rep point for a clan. Or maybe I do a lot of seeding to help with clan crafting projects. Sorry mate, never new it was a race to get to lvl 75+ before you :p

[Cyrk]

Oo. Did you read my post or did you only seen couple of words and made up a story out of them. Take your time as long as you like, BUT if you want to actualy give advices to someone else veryfy what you're doing before posting. Nobody cares if you want to hinder your own exp, but once you're giving advices your mistakes affect more ppl. That is why my post was offensive.

[Rohirrim]

I was in PL, but had to change when I got to lvl 61-62 because I took way to much damage (200-300dmg per hit).

[MrFlux]

If you don't have PL what is the best B grade set? Looks like doom to me but just wondering overall.

[Cyrk]

BW Heavy

[KnightOfDarkness]

PL in C grade is good, PL in B grade is kindof shaky but doable, PL in A+ is a no go unless you have a healer and shield+greater shield 3 cause the pdef SUCKS + it takes away 1con, better take out that wallet and get NM light/DC light

only a fool would take PL with a close combat dd that far

[Jimmy_Beam]

honestly I only have 100 less pdef in PL compaired to DC light. I still use PL depending on the mobs types and how much damage I'm taking.

There is no best but there are some armor types that are better then others depending on the situation and buffs.

btw BW Heavy was ok but I went back to light myself.

[Cyrk]

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PL in C grade is good, PL in B grade is kindof shaky but doable, PL in A+ is a no go unless you have a healer and shield+greater shield 3 cause the pdef SUCKS + it takes away 1con, better take out that wallet and get NM light/DC light

only a fool would take PL with a close combat dd that far

[/ QUOTE ]Oo. Doing Pagan trio with G.Might/Warchant and without heals wearing PL. So yeah ... only a fool would use PL A+. The point Mr. I'm not a fool is to get enough dmg to keep you under 30%.

DC Light? Nice for pvp, ******ed for pve.
NM Light? Only if you dont have a VR buffer with you. But it's waaaay better to invite wc/se than pay for nm light

If you realy, realy, realy can get PL set, go for BW hv (B) and Tallum hv (A)

PS. Aria ... well that explains ALOT

[KnightOfDarkness]

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PL in C grade is good, PL in B grade is kindof shaky but doable, PL in A+ is a no go unless you have a healer and shield+greater shield 3 cause the pdef SUCKS + it takes away 1con, better take out that wallet and get NM light/DC light

only a fool would take PL with a close combat dd that far

[/ QUOTE ]Oo. Doing Pagan trio with G.Might/Warchant and without heals wearing PL. So yeah ... only a fool would use PL A+. The point Mr. I'm not a fool is to get enough dmg to keep you under 30%.

DC Light? Nice for pvp, ******ed for pve.
NM Light? Only if you dont have a VR buffer with you. But it's waaaay better to invite wc/se than pay for nm light

If you realy, realy, realy can get PL set, go for BW hv (B) and Tallum hv (A)

PS. Aria ... well that explains ALOT

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Bluewolf light has alot of pdef

and how does Aria explain alot exactly?

[Jimmy_Beam]

lol @ 5 pages about Bg armor

[KnightOfDarkness]

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lol @ 5 pages about Bg armor

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naw it's mostly been about PL and some A graders and S graders using it to level, can't wait till gracia when a mob pops a ss into their butts and they realize even more that they need some pdef

[Jimmy_Beam]

remember when puma was neg pdef? and I miss the old ogre

[Cyrk]

Lol @ aria noob. No SS in catas and 75+.

That's why Aria explains alot...

[Taz]

Did someone take your cookie again, your still sounding angry.

[Spudnik]

he is angry because he believes there are no other options.

[AshleyHunter]

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he is angry because he believes there are no other options.

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He's Angry because he's not on Aria ;)

[Spudnik]

point

[Cyrk]

Yeah - i'm raging with fury lol.

But honestly if you cannot give a good advice don't give any at all.

PS. Spudnik :) B grade tyrant since 2005 :):D:D

[Spudnik]

ummm... no?

B grade tyrant for a brief period between January 2008 and maybe March?

ive changed armor sets in a grade 3 times now. i like the majestic. its just more fun.

and i only stated what i used for my B grade in this thread. it was merely a statement, and can be construed as advice if you interpret it that way.

you, on the other hand...

[Taz]

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But honestly if you cannot give a good advice don't give any at all.


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Now all you have to do is pratice what you preach.

[KnightOfDarkness]

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But honestly if you cannot give a good advice don't give any at all.


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Now all you have to do is pratice what you preach.

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nice one ;)

[Cyrk]

I do? I've NEVER stated setup that i have not used with succes on my own toon. Plus I always add aprox. time going from one point (lv) to another using advices that i give. So yeah basicly i'm as clear about my advices as one can be. Do you?

PS. No eff. measure whatsoever, no PoC, no nothing, just "Bluewolf light has alot of pdef". LOL

PS2. Have you like EVER tried other setups at different grades? Well guess what? I did. I've used probably every tyrant setup that is even remotely close to logical in C/B/A grades (no chance on S since theres only 1 way to go). Did you tried what you're proposing AND any other setups that you could think of? Or did you just used one and that it. 'Yeah i've managed to get 61 lv with this setup so it must be great/uber/FOTM'

[Taz]

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I do? I've NEVER stated setup that i have not used with succes on my own toon. Plus I always add aprox. time going from one point (lv) to another using advices that i give. So yeah basicly i'm as clear about my advices as one can be. Do you?

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So when you told MrFlex to use BW Heavy, your really clear about how you should use this setup? lol

Heavy armor for a tyrant is only good when you xp on pink or red mobs. What you don't say is that when you go xp on green, white, or yellow mobs it's best to use light armor. YOU TAKE LESS DAMAGE THAT WAY.

[Cyrk]

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Heavy armor for a tyrant is only good when you xp on pink or red mobs. What you don't say is that when you go xp on green, white, or yellow mobs it's best to use light armor. YOU TAKE LESS DAMAGE THAT WAY.

[/ QUOTE ] You can believe what you want, but that doesn't make it reality...

[KnightOfDarkness]

Well basically light armor is mean for tyrants as they only get light armor passives, and they have agile movement...that is meant for light armor

so basically tyrant=fist weapons + light armor

[Rohirrim]

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PL in C grade is good, PL in B grade is kindof shaky but doable, PL in A+ is a no go unless you have a healer and shield+greater shield 3 cause the pdef SUCKS + it takes away 1con, better take out that wallet and get NM light/DC light

only a fool would take PL with a close combat dd that far

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I had +9 str +4dex and -10con on my tyrant (before lvl 68) and the exp went fast...realy fast.

With VR3 my HP was at 100% all the time and I had over 2k patk at lvl 62 fully buffed (no CoV or proffesies) lol

PL worked good, but if I got more than 2 mobs on me I needed heals (I always exped with zerk2 to boost patk and atk speed even more).

I still feel sad that I canceled my 64 tyrant to sub a paladin, but I am gicing my great wolf higher priorety + I always wanted to try out a tank class (can't find a better DD partner for a tank :p )

[Jimmy_Beam]

after last night and the mobs spamming SS like a c1 ebayer, I'm less likely to use PL set now @ higher levels.

[Cyrk]

75+ mobs dont spam ss. Same for cata/necro mobs :)

[Jimmy_Beam]

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75+ mobs dont spam ss. Same for cata/necro mobs :)

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Well they are hitting alot harder then. I used to beable rage without heals in the cata, last night I could not.

btw don't get me wrong.. I enjoyed it. Alot easier to keep bison up.

[Matsumoto]

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75+ mobs dont spam ss. Same for cata/necro mobs :)

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Well they are hitting alot harder then. I used to beable rage without heals in the cata, last night I could not.

btw don't get me wrong.. I enjoyed it. Alot easier to keep bison up.

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IDK I find mobs UDing and using SS really funny.

I took my sub (tyrant) to branded, and was soloing at 30-60% HP once my VR 4 noobie buff ware off. Tho I did need a heal or two from time to time to keep me from dieing.

as I lvled up tho I started to do EV with clan hall buffs (aden hall). That worked out really well.

and I've done alot of bosses, but I tend to take argo really easily. I basically solo'd guillotine at lvl 42 with some lvl 35+ people; that was alot of fun. (what happened was I tap'd screens and accidentally hit the boss, so i ended up tanking while I got heals, and 2 others hit, but I did the majority of the dmg)

Basically: I'm running around in +5 str - 5 con, PL set +3/4. lvl 70 PP buffs. +5 (now +6) great plata W/ rsk haste.

I'm thinking I'm stick to PL till 61, then switch into my DC set that I got off my main. Tho I wouldn't mind testing a NM light set on her. Only thing I'd probably will do is use a doom helmet, and doom gloves for more P df.

[Cyrk]

Not realy on the orginal topic but...
As mentioned before in some other topic:
- PL and TAL HV gives about the same dps bonus (the biggest of all sets avaible to A graders)
- DC Light is next in line but you loose quite alot of dps
- NM sucks dps wise, but if you have a 78+ pp buffs it's the way to go cos it has VR. You can use it with lower lv pp but you will need some heals from him.

[TheRubberDuck]

i want to know more about this person doing pagans in a group of three and not taking any heals....please elaborate....

[Cyrk]

Figure out precise questions then. Elaborate? Nah. Just ask what you need to know and I will try to answer to the best of my ability.

[Spudnik]

he has Ubar jewels.

went to pagans yesterday with a 78 DC, 78 SD, and 79 SS.

im 66 tyrant in tallum hvy. cov, warchant, vr4+vrdance, i missed 6/10 swings on every mob. DC slept the room as we went. took AGES.

no way can you say PL works better. not unless youre spamming blaster and all force skills and getting MAD recharges from a 4th or 5th outside EE/SE.

if i were 68 and had bison - bison only adds 43% Patk (and 400 crit rate below 30%hp) and IF you manage to hit these level 74 mobs (cause they spam SS!!) (and crit) your damage is around 500. not without a HIGH OE could you do PL in pagans and NOT get heals.

srsly. either that or be 76, have zaken, have baium, and have antharas.

youd need +5con AND song of vitality + btb + passive HP bonus on shirt + a lot more in order to have enough HP at 30% to not worry about Drain crits.

cause +++Str and PL really doesnt add enough PATK to make you VR enough HP back from a Drain crit to continue grinding if youre not already dead.

i'd really like to know how you think you can do pagans with 3 people. i think its more like 7, 4 oop which youre discounting as either not needed or useless.

[Cyrk]

70+ T in PL (for low pdef), BD 56+, Covcryer or PoF hiero/oop VR(prefeer CoV). No OE weapons, no boss jewels (standard top A grade +0/+3), no HP shirt LOL, SS on. Tyr has +5str +4con DG/HP. Buffer have btb soes. BD gives fire,fure,warrior,light. I've been trying to do this in Tal HV, DC Light, NM Light and PL. Only PL works cos with the rest you get 30%+ instantly.

WTF were you doing in pagans at 66? dude if you're going -9 DEX (and if not you're just dumb as hell) you cannot grind on 10lv higher mobs w/o acc dance. Spudnik as always don't know [censored] about [censored]. You've failed cos your party didn't had DD. Prebison tyrant is like a dagger w/o skills in dps.

PS. 66 already O.o it took you like a year to get 66 from 58. Well done, keep giving advices. Get bison first and THEN elaborate on how good it can be. Roughly 30% bison gets you to 3 times non-bison dps. 1k att speed, 500 crit rate, 15k HP total, bison kicks in at 3k, safe grind at 2-2,5k HP.

[Spudnik]

math fail. 15k hp total != bison at 3k hp. i call BS. post fraps.

[TheRubberDuck]

spud. get to lvl 68 and bison. you are going to feel very foolish and want to delete all your posts down playing how good it is...

to cyrk, i can do pagans easily with cov up. but what am i to do when cov is down. i could not kill faster than the spawn rate. i had 77 bd, 78 cov. full s grade. oe'd dragon grinders health. +4 str, con

[Spudnik]

im not downplaying its greatness. i regularly XP with a 76 GK that bisons all the time. i know what it can do just the same as any of you do.

and im questioning the validity of Cyrks rather bold statements. im gonna ignore the personal attacks cause i dont really care who he thinks i am, he's only seen a fraction of my posts.

[Cyrk]

Rather bold statements :) Get bison see for yourself. I've done this ALOT and still doing. It's not a matter of belive - I've seen this happening. And there's now way I can convince you otherwise unless you see it on your own. As for 'i regularly XP with a 76 GK that bisons all the time' that doesn't mean anything. i've seen 80GK tards that are using hawk for grind with -9 con tats and focus fists. Lv doesn't mean anything.

[Spudnik]

LOL

kk, level means nothing. then why are you snapping at me for being lvl 66?

cause youre full of nonsense.

[Cyrk]

I'm snaping at you for being 66 COS YOU ARE GIVING WRONG ADVICES ABOUT SKILL THAT YOU DONT EVEN HAVE!

[Spudnik]

show my advices. im not advicing anything but an armor choice. and it seems even when i echo the armor choice given to my many many moons ago in this (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=994198&an=0&page=1#Post9 94198) thread to NOT use PL, im flamed.

so you know what cyrk, how about to cram whatever advices you gave, shove them down someone else's throat. cause I used to give your advice. my first post indicated EXACTLY what youre suggesting for setup. and i was shot down for it.

YOUR GIVING ADVICES THAT AGREE WITH ME!

given this, you must either concede the high level players that disputed me in that thread were wrong, OR that i actually know what i am talking about even without ever using Bison myself.

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[Cyrk]

In that link you've posted ... IC set?doesn't matter what armor? seriously

'OR that i actually know what i am talking about' - no way. Try it then talk about it. That's the problem right there. You can watch as many tyrants/GK as you like but you won't see why they are acting like they are. Just stop giving advices about something you have absolutely no [censored] idea

You know what? I'm done with you. Go cry, go post ******ed advices, go emo some more - I don't give a [censored]

[Spudnik]

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In that link you've posted ... IC set?doesn't matter what armor? seriously

'OR that i actually know what i am talking about' - no way. Try it then talk about it. That's the problem right there. You can watch as many tyrants/GK as you like but you won't see why they are acting like they are. Just stop giving advices about something you have absolutely no [censored] idea

You know what? I'm done with you. Go cry, go post ******ed advices, go emo some more - I don't give a [censored]

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my point exactly. exactly.

i used to tell people EXACTLY what youre trying to tell people now. and i was told i was wrong.

now, you (with experience of bison in your setup) come to post the same thing.

and i am still wrong.

this tells me you dont read. this tells me that youre biased against me because of my level, and will counter everything i have to say even if i am merely echoing what higher levels have told me.

Cyrk, youre not the only GK, youre not even one of a rare class. pretending your advice is the ultimate - not gonna fly.

i am sure you THINK you were never healed in pagans 3man. but i think youre not telling the whole story.

i know the power of bison. even without ever having used it. i have my doubts that you could exp safely the way you claim in pagans. but since if i visit pagans as an observer i'd end up being part of the group, i really cant say if it does work, nor how well it works. i concede that. but i have my doubts.

plated leather is a good set. everyone agrees here. plated leather is not a solo set. you always need help when youre in plated leather. for plated leather to be of best use, you need +5str. and a lot of players wont sacrifice the runspeed or accuracy/evasion penalty of -dex. -con is a joke. -con is asking to get killed.

your plated leather setup is for 1 kind of player: the kind that always has a FULLY buffed party, with mana boxes.

it is NOT for the "duo with an SE in an open field" setup. yoursetup is for tyrants (evidently only bison tyrants) who want to only farm dungeons or to only spam blasters in mass pvp.

to bring this back to the original topic - this plated leather setup is valid, it works. its just not for everyone.

also, if you ever fight a DA in this (+5str-9dex+4con) you will die. always. horribly.