C-Grade - B-Grade Weapons for Destroyer

[gerrerd]

Hey all, i've got a lvl 50 destroyer gonna hit 52 real quick. my question is this. i currently whip a +9 Bersker blade with Focus. after looking at stats i'm wondering if i should just stick with it till A grade. for a Great sword to have equal p.atk (and less crit from SA) i'd need it to be +6 or more. The guardian sword is better for P.atk but no crit. given all relavent data i'm thinking that i should just stick with C grade.

My question is this, am i missing something? seems odd that C grade would be that much better.

All feedback is greatly appricated.

Thanks

[gerrerd]

/bump anyone? maybe i should go with Star Buster haste?

[Oldfart]

I never realized Berserker and Great Sword were so close in P.Atk. So, in one sense, yeah, the +9 Berserker seems quite good. However, there is one small drawback. The C grade weapon uses more shots per hit, so you have to go back to town for re-supply more often.
Star Buster sounds like a blunt. The crit rate is very low on blunts, so you kill slower and use more shots with a blunt than you would with a sword, especially a sword with the Focus SA. I would recommend to stick with a sword, and go with the Focus SA.

[Allwine]

Focus SA all the way. I use an Infernal Master and love it.

[Spudnik]

some people swear by swords with focus. but if you look at the design of the class, ALL the skills can be used to maximum effect with 2h blunt.

and blunts +focus (very limited blunts) is pretty silly.

[mcking]

I think that the main part of destro skills depends on HP so SA Health. Rage+zealot+frenzy or guts is maybe better then Focus on weap. So maybe SA health is that way to fight for destro?? maybe +5Con/-6Str?? Because if you have a lot of HP you can use your 30%HP skills earlier so you can get more. My point of view. any reply?

[Oldfart]

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I think that the main part of destro skills depends on HP so SA Health. Rage+zealot+frenzy or guts is maybe better then Focus on weap. So maybe SA health is that way to fight for destro?? maybe +5Con/-6Str?? Because if you have a lot of HP you can use your 30%HP skills earlier so you can get more. My point of view. any reply?

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If you really want to take this approach, you're quite possibly best off to go for a total defensive build, with defensive armor, health SA on weapon, plus maybe some other options I can't think of atm. This approach has been (slightly) discussed, but I can't recall anybody coming out and saying that switched to the defensive build, much less that they got the benefits of more Frenzy usage with the defensive build.

[bigGuy]

Actually destro is fine and without tatoos...

[SpectresWill]

for early levels your better off with a pure damage setup (+str or no tats) and a focus weapon. health doesnt gain most of its usefulness till you can add the defensive armors to it and your HP pool grows enough to make the difference. I would wait till at least late 60s levels (when the difference between a damage setup destro and a health setup is 4k+ hp) to make the change. mind you I say this when I still use tallum + HD focus :P its all personal preferance.

[AlphaCentori]

I agree with Spud,

Currently my alt is 54 Destro, hunting north of IT, I got a Berseker with focus, a Dwarven Hammer no SA yet (planning for crit bleed), Plated Leather set, no tats, noobie+OL buffs (ie: for Zerk2 essentially)

With Bersker + Focus.
- Killing an Oel Mahun Warrior takes me 4 hits in average = opening with Fatal Strike, then 3 normal hit to get it down. This is more or less, depending on the availability of crit rate pot buffs.
- Fatal Strike with Rage does max 1700 dmg.
- Average normal hits = 330

With Dwarven Hammer + no SA (lol)
- Killing an Oel Mahun Warrior takes me 2 hits, period! Ie = opening with Hammer Crush, then ending with Fatal Strike. With the level, I'm close to 1 shotting them when Rage is on.
- Fatal Strike with Rage does max 2.1k hit
- Average hits = 450

What else to say... oh yes :
- All of these mobs are short-range melee weak and the nearby Gargoyles are Blunt weak.
- With the higher kill rate of the Blunt, I am also better "pot buffed" than xping with the 2H sword... further increasing the kill rate difference.
- for the fun of it and to counter what someone said above : per mob, I do consume less shots with the Hammer than with the sword, hehe.

Result : Top C 2h Sword +focus in this location is totally outgunned by the raw top C 2h Hammer.


I did similar tests near Stuttgard and found out that a Focus sword overcomes the Hammer only when hunting non-blunt weak mobs and/or when hunting "survivor" mobs (ie: xHP type or with strong Pdef). The reason came from the crit rates : the longer it takes you to kill a mob, the more chances you'll have to crit on it. Basically, when it takes me more than 6 hits (with specials) to kill a mob with my Hammer, I then switch to the sword.

Conclusion : you shouldn't put away the hammer for "anything focused" because of some "happy few" xping with full crit buffs + epic jewels/gears.

PVP wise : do this test and put 2 same level/gear destro, one with the blunt one with the sword...guess who wins? ;)


PS : Orcs are fun indeed !

[Cyrk]

2h sword focus + wc + cata. Faster and alot more profitable than blunt weak 1xHP. 2h blunts have their uses but very very very very limited. If you realy feel the urge to hunt blunt weak mobs exchange your +9 2h sword for +9 2h blunt

[AlphaCentori]

I disagree,

My path from 35 to 55 was full of blunt week mobs : Golems under IT, then in Pavel Ruins (stuttgart), now North of IT who drop Silver Unicorn and warehouse keeper medals.

Then higher level (prolly 55 to 70) you got DC (near aden), where you'll get blunt/sacred weak mobs who drop :
- Magic Coins (all types)
- Red gems
- Spirit beads
- Inf Ore
- SA crystal leveling
- Another quest for jewels parts in aden church (can't remember the name)

Also remember, in the time it takes you to kill one 4HP mob and get a unique chance for quest reward :
- you can kill up to 4 (four) 1HP mobs (similar level)
- you can get up 4 more chances to get their quest rewards
- you can get up to 4 more full drops chances.

Last but not least, by killing outside mobs you are benefiting from the additional "outside mob xp bonus" : +20%

So no...dungeons aren't nearly as effective as most ppl think. However, I admit that when you do not know where to hunt, don't want to bother, or need AA farming : dungeons are Teh perfect place. ;)

[Cyrk]

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Also remember, in the time it takes you to kill one 4HP mob and get a unique chance for quest reward :
- you can kill up to 4 (four) 1HP mobs (similar level)
- you can get up 4 more chances to get their quest rewards
- you can get up to 4 more full drops chances.


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No not realy:
- runspeed is crucial for destro, killing 1 4xHP mob takes less time than 4 1xHP ones
- quest rewards: FoD > other quest rewards, not to mention AA and blanks
- 4 times alot less chance vs 1 bigger chance.

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Last but not least, by killing outside mobs you are benefiting from the additional "outside mob xp bonus" : +20%

[/ QUOTE ]Care to elaborate on that one? Where exacly did you get this info?

There's another defining thing: If you have pp buffs go for FoMassacre, but if you can get your hands on VR cata/necro is da sh it

[Biotox]

I used Infernal Master/focus and Doom Crusher/Health hunting in Hot Springs (had PP/SE buffs). I tested both weapons for whole buff rounds. Kill speed with IM was significantly improved. For PvP the Doom Crusher was a better weapon (stun + added HP is more important than the crits).

As far as skills go, you can use Fatal Strike and Crush of Doom with the IM (you get Hammer Crush also with Doom Crusher). But the difference in crit rate more than compensates.

EDIT: the point is, multi-HP mob PvE is better with focus SA but blunt is probably better for PvP.

[Terkel]

i would stay with the zerkblade till a-grade, then get a IM focus, and for the love of god xp in catas if you can get a box or live healer to go with you at all time get a pole pull like 4-8 mobs and you will lvl like hell..

but to get back to the weapons blund is good for like 0-60 ish cos it give you some acc. so you wont have to worry about miss target, but on the other hand you lose half you crit rate..

with the sword you'll get your crit's but you dosnt get your acc bonus, so you miss abit more.. but if you take dmg pr sec well youll be better off with the sword..

[bigGuy]

I vote for OE GS.
Berserk blade is bad, because eats 3 SSC, while GS only one SSB.
You can get GS+7/8+focus for IM+3+focus price, because IM need cry 11 for SA. Cry alone is like 40-60m (depends from server). P atk will be the ~same, and shots will be much cheaper.
PvP bonus from IM? I dont think its worth it. Better save money for S grade.

[Shinnai]

How about an Ice Storm Hammer w/Foc for b grade?

[Cyrk]

Dont go there mate. 2h blunt /w focus is just ******ed. Sure it may seem that crit rate is only a little bit lower than sword, BUT all +crit buffs are BASE weapon crit rate sensitive. To simply put it focus3 will give you like 5-10 (depending on dye/armor) crit rate more. 2h blunt pve wise has only one use = blunt weak mobs

[Shinnai]

okies, ty ;)