SwordSinger in Plated Leather

[FreakishDude]

I'm planning on making SwS my subclass and was wondering about light armour.... Anyone have information about SwS using light armour?

Mainly for C Grade ie Plated Leather Set (+4str -1con)

Just thinking of trying to increase my DMG output a little I have +6 sls focus and will probably add -4con +4dex tattoo

So for c grade I will have -5con +4dex & +4str then b grade will switch to BW heavy as mobs start to hit harder lol


Just wondered if any one tried it cause if the dmg I receive is to much and I'm popping pots every 30 secs its not worth it and I'll just go common full plate.

Thanks

[Jayy]

Haste would have probably been a better SA for you, at 49 you get hunter song which increases crit rate, and faster atk speed would better take advantage of that..

But anyway to answer your question, I did my sws from 40-46 so far in pl set, and it works really well as it is.. with just newbie buffs + using 2hand sword it works pretty well

[Nuku]

Should be doable during B grade lvls aswell, tho it can get rough, VR + fast dmg + crits are the key, a dagger on a Sws works nicely aswell ;)

[topeins]

Should be doable during B grade lvls aswell, tho it can get rough, VR + fast dmg + crits are the key, a dagger on a Sws works nicely aswell ;)

++ on that.. had a common kris on my sws sub for a while (rest of the time i was using a +4 dama/focus) and the dmg output is really nice, specially when you use hunter to increse the number of crits...

as for dmg you'll be getting it, with noob bufs it shouldnt make a real difference to wear either of them.. tho i did have full plate +3 when i did my sub.. and also been using a wolf all the way up to help with the dmg output (wolf is now 69 and i'm 72)

saludos...

[Kokoro]

Plated Leather is a perfectly fine armor to wear for an SWS, I think.

Since an SWS really does not get much in the way of Heavy Armor masteries (15 total, and all of it from pre-SWS classes.... none from SWS itself), an SWS is NOT a tanking class.

So, might as well try to increase your killing speed as much as possible. And honestly, in a game like Lineage 2, the best defense can be a good offense. The faster you kill = the less time a mob is alive = the less time a mob has to do damage to you. The +4 STR from Plated Leather goes a long way towards that.

Now, if you had 40+ levels of Heavy Armor masteries (like real tanking classes can easily achieve), then I'd say stick with the Heavy Armors. But, with a SWS only have 15 levels of Heavy Armor masteries, I can see the Plated Leather increasing damage output nicely balanced with the decreased defense.

[Jayy]

Just make sure if you use a sword that has haste sa available, take that instead of focus. Song of hunter increases your crit rate enough, and you have high dex to begin with. Haste works much better along with your newbie buffs/self buffs, and even more better if you have OOP buffs for focus/dw

[FreakishDude]

Thanks for info, I'm going to give it a go. I let you guys know how it turns out.

[Galil]

I disagree on the haste sword. Crit rate all the ways. Focus I approve :) and yeah PL is fine. I got a SWS too :)

[Jayy]

with faster atk rate + song of the hunter, you crit often enough, it gives you mroe dmg over time than focus + song of hunter..

[Kratos]

Ok, assuming this is all in terms of having maximum damage output.

For armor I would go PL for c-grade, and then continue using it up until you start to see that the damage you take is not out weighed by the health regained by VR. When you get to this point, switch to BW or tallum depending on what grade you are.

For weapons, although a one handed sword works, I would take either a dagger or two hand sword. A dagger with focus offers the highest dps for a sws, followed by a 2h with focus.

[Mgz]

I'm planning on making SwS my subclass and was wondering about light armour.... Anyone have information about SwS using light armour?

Mainly for C Grade ie Plated Leather Set (+4str -1con)

Just thinking of trying to increase my DMG output a little I have +6 sls focus and will probably add -4con +4dex tattoo

So for c grade I will have -5con +4dex & +4str then b grade will switch to BW heavy as mobs start to hit harder lol


Just wondered if any one tried it cause if the dmg I receive is to much and I'm popping pots every 30 secs its not worth it and I'll just go common full plate.

Thanks

PL is good until 61, after that u can probably use Tallum heavy.

[Kratos]

Just make sure if you use a sword that has haste sa available, take that instead of focus. Song of hunter increases your crit rate enough, and you have high dex to begin with. Haste works much better along with your newbie buffs/self buffs, and even more better if you have OOP buffs for focus/dw

I don't agree on the haste. Song of hunter makes you crit enough? Honestly, why not crit even more? I'm pretty sure that 95% of sword singers will agree with me.

[Jayy]

Its pretty simple, when you stack your crit rate higher and higher, there is diminishing returns on the actual % of the time you will crit. Just stacking it as high as you can to crit as much as possible is redundant when you could +haste your weap, and crit slightly less often, but attack much faster... Its pretty simple dps calculations...

[Kratos]

I'm pretty sure I've seen other dps charts that show dagger focus is definitely the way to go when compared with all other weapons with every possible SA. I doubt the diminishing return is that great. I'll try to find those charts, as this question constantly pops up in swordsinger threads.

Edit: Found it...

78 SwS, Majestic Heavy, +4 STR/-4 CON, 66 PP, Fury, Fire, Warrior, Hunter:

DPS, in order from highest to lowest:

+10 Blood Orchid (Focus): 821.3
+10 Tallum*Dama: 804.5
+10 Infernal Master (Focus): 770.3
+10 Dragon Slayer: 741.3
+10 Infernal Master (Haste): 739.3
+10 DLE: 715.6
+10 Tallum Blade: 713.8

As you can see, focus is the way to go.

Edit #2: Here are some S-grade calculations

557.2 Tallum X DLE
657.7 Angel Slayer Haste
665.1 FB with Focus
683 HD with Focus

Then assuming you go +4 Str -4 Con

641.4 Tallum X DLE
757 AS with Haste
757.5 FB with Focus
779.3 HD with Focus

[Draecke]

there's one thing missing in those calculations and that is with a 1 handed weapon ie dagger/sword you can equip a shield and block a lot of damage which is not the case with say a two handed sword

ofc this is not an issue if you have max VR and the damage you dish out is greater then the damage received but that will only hold true up to a certain level ie do not expect to stay alive on HB that way

[Kratos]

I agree. On a balanced stand point, the damage that you block with a shield is probably greater then the extra dps you get from a 2h sword. In my opinion, 2h swords are the most efficient way to level, but sword/dagger and shield is the way to go for harder pve areas or for pvp.

[Larena]

Its pretty simple, when you stack your crit rate higher and higher, there is diminishing returns on the actual % of the time you will crit. Just stacking it as high as you can to crit as much as possible is redundant when you could +haste your weap, and crit slightly less often, but attack much faster... Its pretty simple dps calculations...

If you actually do these simple calculations focus comes out on top... remember the crit rate number is chance to crit/1000 so it doesn't suffer diminishing returns as the values get higher (unlike attack speed or p.atk), +70 crit rate always gives +7% more crits independent from total crit rate.

[FreakishDude]

just to inform you guys. Plated leather with sls +6 focus i was tanking kamalokas with no healers just newbie buffs and pots i was forever pulling agro of the daggers in our party just from the crits i'm guessing. soon as i got hunter WOOO there was no stopping me!

so for me plated leather made me zoom through C grade I recommend it but maybe the +6 wep helped a lot as well who knows.



I'm now using BW heavy and my SLS +6 focus! and I'm 57 ^^ exp is a bit slower but its saves me buying a 'b' grade weapon.



I have a common tallum blade for A grade and a common infernal master with a maj heavy set unsealed with NM shield.

Now do I go sword shield or the two handed? there both common as I cannot afford a full A wep with SA.



also tat's what should i get im looking for a balance between pvp and pve

i was thinking -4str +4dex & -4int +4wit

that way I still have good con so i can stay alive longer to support my party..?

[Draecke]

just to inform you guys. Plated leather with sls +6 focus i was tanking kamalokas with no healers just newbie buffs and pots i was forever pulling agro of the daggers in our party just from the crits i'm guessing. soon as i got hunter WOOO there was no stopping me!

so for me plated leather made me zoom through C grade I recommend it but maybe the +6 wep helped a lot as well who knows.



I'm now using BW heavy and my SLS +6 focus! and I'm 57 ^^ exp is a bit slower but its saves me buying a 'b' grade weapon.



I have a common tallum blade for A grade and a common infernal master with a maj heavy set unsealed with NM shield.

Now do I go sword shield or the two handed? there both common as I cannot afford a full A wep with SA.



also tat's what should i get im looking for a balance between pvp and pve

i was thinking -4str +4dex & -4int +4wit

that way I still have good con so i can stay alive longer to support my party..?


+ STR gives the best bonus, + DEX doesn't do much for us as we're alrdy fast & have high crit rate
imo just go +4 STR -4CON as really you won't miss the hp that much and in pvp sws tends to be the last target anyways

pve go with the two hander as it's cheap in shots & ok damage
pvp tallum blade or oe dagger & shield

[Grimaldus]

+ STR gives the best bonus, + DEX doesn't do much for us as we're alrdy fast & have high crit rate
imo just go +4 STR -4CON as really you won't miss the hp that much and in pvp sws tends to be the last target anyways

pve go with the two hander as it's cheap in shots & ok damage
pvp tallum blade or oe dagger & shield

I've never tried the PL set in C grade for a SwS... but I can say from experience that a FP set with a +4 STR -4 CON and a +4 berzerker Blade Focus made me nigh indestructable and I was able to solo (with only newbie buffs) the mid-level rooms in Branded.

at higher levels I loose my right to speak from experience, and can only realy say what I've heard from my old CL; Maj heavy or NM Leather, and a Dragon Slayer or Infernal master.

[Grimaldus]

just to inform you guys. Plated leather with sls +6 focus i was tanking kamalokas with no healers just newbie buffs and pots i was forever pulling agro of the daggers in our party just from the crits i'm guessing. soon as i got hunter WOOO there was no stopping me!

so for me plated leather made me zoom through C grade I recommend it but maybe the +6 wep helped a lot as well who knows.



I'm now using BW heavy and my SLS +6 focus! and I'm 57 ^^ exp is a bit slower but its saves me buying a 'b' grade weapon.



I have a common tallum blade for A grade and a common infernal master with a maj heavy set unsealed with NM shield.

Now do I go sword shield or the two handed? there both common as I cannot afford a full A wep with SA.



also tat's what should i get im looking for a balance between pvp and pve

i was thinking -4str +4dex & -4int +4wit

that way I still have good con so i can stay alive longer to support my party..?


If both your weapons are common I would advise using the tallum blade and the NM shield, as you won't be enjoying the benefits of any SA. If you manage to get an Infernal Master that is not common, I highly reccomend that with focus... remember people that your DEX is not only your Crit Rate but also your Crit Damage multiplyer... stacked on top of focus you can crit 3 out of 4 hits for well over 1k damage in EARLY A grade... thats nice damage, and it only gets better

[Talimus]

DEX does not affect crit damage, and no one can crit 3 out of 4 on average. Crit rate is capped at 50%, but a full buffed sws with focus weapon will be closer to 35%.

Focus weapons are always better than haste. 2H will be very slightly better damage than an equal level dagger and alot cheaper, though either is quite strong, even a 1H sword is nearly equivalent. For armor, tallum heavy is the best damage, maj heavy is a close second and the stun resist makes it better in many spots, most sws will probably choose maj.

[Kratos]

2H will be very slightly better damage than an equal level dagger and alot cheaper, though either is quite strong, even a 1H sword is nearly equivalent.

Not true. A dagger of the same level will give slightly better dps because of the increased amount of crits. 2H swords, however, are more efficient as they generally use fewer SS.