Pole Mastery bugged?

[Ferine]

Anyone had trouble with pole mastery enchanted for add target?

I've been poling with my titan recently and alls been fine, but then I noticed I was struggling to clear trains of mobs that my dominator clears easily. Titan has more p.atk, more targets and more accuracy though!

Looking closely it seemed I was only hitting a small number of targets and the only thing I could think of for that was pole mastery, which I had at +3 add targets. I tried to blow it but it went +6 (I'm only 77) and I seem to do miles better now.

Is there a known bug with +3 mastery or is it just me?

Edit: also how many targets should a titan be hitting? not managed to check since damage log when levelling goes by so fast.

[i fight nerdz]

Anyone had trouble with pole mastery enchanted for add target?

I've been poling with my titan recently and alls been fine, but then I noticed I was struggling to clear trains of mobs that my dominator clears easily. Titan has more p.atk, more targets and more accuracy though!

Looking closely it seemed I was only hitting a small number of targets and the only thing I could think of for that was pole mastery, which I had at +3 add targets. I tried to blow it but it went +6 (I'm only 77) and I seem to do miles better now.

Is there a known bug with +3 mastery or is it just me?

Edit: also how many targets should a titan be hitting? not managed to check since damage log when levelling goes by so fast.

i forget how many targets we get, i think 15? i have mine enchanted for 10 and see no problems. it could be in how you are stacking the mobs up. FOG is notoroious for not stacking properly.

[Ferine]

i forget how many targets we get, i think 15? i have mine enchanted for 10 and see no problems. it could be in how you are stacking the mobs up. FOG is notoroious for not stacking properly.

Nah, think it was the mastery or something. It was happening in a few places, stopped hunting for 30 secs, went +6 and it seemed ok again after that. You know theres something wrong when a domi beats rewpawn on 2 out of 3 roomjs yet a titan with exactly same gear and buffs can't beat spawn on 1.

[Hyperlite]

Polearm mastery works as follows:

+1 - Adds 1 extra target
+8 - Adds 2 extra targets
+15 - Adds 3 extra targets
+22 - Adds 4 extra targets
+30 - Adds 5 extra targets

before you ask, Fell Swoop works as follows (if you are a warlord)

+1 - Adds 1 extra target
+15 - Adds 2 extra targets
+30 - Adds 3 extra targets

[Ferine]

Problem just seems to be with the titan, I can pole on Dominator all day and hit a fair few targets. Put the gear on the titan, exactly same gear, buffs and location and it keeps bugging out, only hitting a small number of mobs and taking ages to clear trains a domi can clear in seconds.

[OneWingedWarrior]

According to your comment your OL is 82. Seems your Warlord is 77 if I read your post correctly. Well..that is a HUGE difference in levels.

Also you have multiple subs completed on your OL too. I would suggest the primary difference is lvl based. There are some SEVERE damage nerfs on certain mobs if you are 2 or more levels below them. The lesser items to consider are clan skills, sub-class skills, dyes, etc. but overall a Titan can overcome those disadvantages when comparing to an OL, not the lvl diff though.

There is an easy way to check all of this. First make a pull on the OL. Check the amount of damge per hit taking into account crits and ss lag. Then do the same on your titan. Is the OL hitting for a lot more dmg? If so that is do to the level difference. The issue isn't related to the number of mobs you are hitting if that is the case.

[i fight nerdz]

According to your comment your OL is 82. Seems your Warlord is 77 if I read your post correctly. Well..that is a HUGE difference in levels.

Also you have multiple subs completed on your OL too. I would suggest the primary difference is lvl based. There are some SEVERE damage nerfs on certain mobs if you are 2 or more levels below them. The lesser items to consider are clan skills, sub-class skills, dyes, etc. but overall a Titan can overcome those disadvantages when comparing to an OL, not the lvl diff though.

There is an easy way to check all of this. First make a pull on the OL. Check the amount of damge per hit taking into account crits and ss lag. Then do the same on your titan. Is the OL hitting for a lot more dmg? If so that is do to the level difference. The issue isn't related to the number of mobs you are hitting if that is the case.

a 77 titan should have no problem pulling 2 rooms at a time in FOG. the mobs are white/green to him there. there is no nerf in pole #s when talking about levels.

[Ferine]

Only damage benefit for Domi is the mobs are green, warrior haste and he's got an oly ring, same clan. I repeatedly tried the same spot and the problems persisted. I wasn't even porting out just switching gear from domi to titan and back and standing in the same spots, even trying moving just an inch etc. As Nerdz said, FoG mobs are white to anyone 76-80.

I think the problem was both a mix of spot and the mastery, since I blew it up theres been no problems, but very rarely he goes back to only hitting one mob again, now it is VERY rare though. People in party were regularly commenting on only hitting one or two mobs and no one could see a problem with the way mobs lined up.

[i fight nerdz]

Only damage benefit for Domi is the mobs are green, warrior haste and he's got an oly ring, same clan. I repeatedly tried the same spot and the problems persisted. I wasn't even porting out just switching gear from domi to titan and back and standing in the same spots, even trying moving just an inch etc. As Nerdz said, FoG mobs are white to anyone 76-80.

I think the problem was both a mix of spot and the mastery, since I blew it up theres been no problems, but very rarely he goes back to only hitting one mob again, now it is VERY rare though. People in party were regularly commenting on only hitting one or two mobs and no one could see a problem with the way mobs lined up.

yeah i got no clue dude, i run 4-6 rooms at a time in FOG with no problems.

[SneezingTiger]

Mobs are not always where you see them on your screen, a lot of the time you might be targeting a mob that's off to the side and thus not have any other mobs in your Cone O' Death even though it looks like it's right in the middle of the pack.

[Trensharo]

A 77 Titan can and will get damage penalty (outgoing damage) on a lot of MOBs in FoG unless it's poling at the bottom where most of the MOBs are 78. Once you get into the area where there are a fair bit of Dark Attribute MOBs, a 77 toon has no business trying to pole those. Yes, a Domi will outdo it there with that level difference.

How much P.Def does a 77 buffed Tytan have compared to a 82 buffed OL with Soul Guard toggled on?

Unless you're boxing the OL for debuffs there is also the possibility that the MOBs are simply weaker when you're poling on the OL compared to when you're poling on the Titan...

82 Passives, as well?

[Ferine]

P.def/M.def make a massive difference, 1.7k p.def/1.4k m.def on titan vs 2.5/2.3k on Domi, plus Domi has chance haste sub skill (now barrier also). Only debuffs used are to pull aggro off a puller without having to leave spot or target.

All mobs in FoG are 78, Damage penalty only for pre-76s.

I think the titan does have troblue stacking mobs compared to domi though, maybe it's due to pole mastery vs non-pole mastery. Titan is still occasionally only hitting one mob out of a whole train until he moves a few inches, Domi never has this problem.

[Geelong]

Hello Fernie.

I just wanted to add my two cents and say that i to am seeing the exact same problem in FOG.

It is especially when I am fighting the demons.
(The following two mobs)
Balrog of Destruction and Ashuras Of Destruction

The mob i am having a problem with in particular is the Balrog.

If I pull a room the Ashuras all die then the balrog are left there, even if they are all stacked on top of each other i only seem to hit 1 at a time and it is really really annoying i move around to try fix it up but it will only fix it for a few swings. This is only a issue with my Titan as other toons have no problem.