Clan Hall Distribution

[Sace]

The Clan Hall Distribution giveaway was created to ensure that clan halls on the new servers go to active and legitimate player clans in a fair and supervised method. From October 7 to October 13, eligible clans may send an entry to participate in this giveaway. Please read the Clan Hall Distribution (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) page to learn about eligibility and how to send an entry.

EDIT: Here is the winners list so far. I say "so far" because there are some B and C clan halls that were never bid for. Some players that did not win a clan hall of the grade they bid for will be given the choice as to whether they would like one of the remaining lower-grade clan halls, or the refund. It may take a while before those players can receive the email and respond, and I cannot post the final winners list until they make their choice.

If you bid for a clan hall and you are not listed here, please check for an update on your ticket throughout the day!

Chronos

A-Grade


ImmortalsS - Aden Gold Manor
InnerSphere - Aden Silver Manor
Nocturnus - Aden Bronze Chamber
RescueRangers - Aden Gold Chamber
Core - Aden Mithril Chamber
FuriousSteel - Aden Silver Chamber
LegionOfDivinity - Giran Silver Manor
Camelot - Giran Bronze Chamber
HouseOfErrants - Giran Golden Chamber
Enmity - Giran Mithril Chamber
Sunshine - Goddard Emerald Hall
Polaris - Goddard Moonstone Hall
DeathWish - Goddard Onyx Hall
IN - Goddard Sapphire Hall
RidersontheStorm - Rune Aria Chamber
Bregan - Rune Astaire Chamber
ArcaneGenesis - Rune Luna Chamber
RisingPhoenix - Rune Mont Chamber
UltimaRatio - Rune Roien Chamber
Renovatio - Rune Traban Chamber
BOSS - Rune Yiana Chamber

B-Grade


ElitePraetorians - Gludin Crystal Hall
Argonautes - Gludin Emerald Hall
DefendersOfAden - Gludin Moonstone Hall
Arg0nauteS - Gludin Onyx Hall
Evermore - Gludin Sapphire Hall
WretchedOutKasts - Gludio Moonstone Hall
RisingKnights - Gludio Onyx Hall
HelmsWatch - Gludio Ruby Hall
Mercenaries - Gludio Topaz Hall
Unity - Schuttgart Eisen Hall
First - Schuttgart Heavy Metal Hall
ElOlimpo - Schuttgart Molten Ore Hall

C-Grade


EliteTeam - Dion The Atramental Barracks

One B-grade and two C-grade clan halls were not bid for. People that bid for but did not win an A-grade clan hall are being given the choice to choose a lower-grade clan hall, or their refund.


Naia

A-Grade


ToxiC - Aden Gold Manor
DragonHunters - Aden Silver Manor
Wrath - Aden Bronze Chamber
MightyKnights - Aden Gold Chamber
SilentHorros - Aden Mithril Chamber
GreenFire - Aden Silver Chamber
Onslaught - Giran Silver Manor
GranCaribe - Giran Bronze Chamber
Hazard - Giran Golden Chamber
SoutherLights - Giran Mithril Chamber
vestoniceans - Goddard Emerald Hall
KJ - Goddard Moonstone Hall
Right - Goddard Onyx Hall
JAKUDZA - Goddard Sapphire Hall
Einheit - Rune Aria Chamber
Inquisition - Rune Astaire Chamber
FierceRage - Rune Luna Chamber
DawnBringers - Rune Mont Chamber
NeMeSIIS - Rune Roien Chamber
Hellenicspirit - Rune Traban Chamber
BlackShadows - Rune Yiana Chamber

B-Grade


SilverHawks - Gludin Crystal Hall
Styx - Gludin Emerald Hall
LionsHeart - Gludin Moonstone Hall
100Percent - Gludin Onyx Hall
Crematory - Gludin Sapphire Hall
SACRED - Gludio Moonstone Hall
NinjaPirates - Gludio Onyx Hall
LordsOfDarknesS - Gludio Ruby Hall
RedStorm - Gludio Topaz Hall
TheNewTerror - Schuttgart Eisen Hall

C-Grade


ResidentKILLERS - Dion The Atramental Barracks
Celtiberos - Dion The Scarlet Barracks

Three B-grade and one C-grade clan halls were not bid for. People that bid for but did not win an A-grade clan hall are being given the choice to choose a lower-grade clan hall, or their refund.

If two clans won a clan hall and wish to swap between them, the GMs will help you do that. Any unclaimed clan halls are being offered to the clans that did not win an A-grade clan hall, or else will be released to the market.

[SputnickBR]

Who will start the QQ posts?

Well, i read the rules and its well fair. At the end, someone will be loosing something, but i think NCSOFT made a way to do this process more fair as possible.

[Aghen]

When my server was Aria, my clan had a CH by a win bidding. At the moment, CH are empty, but last bids aren't in our WHC. How to "bid" for a CH on the new server, if lasts bids aren't given back?

[ChikariShu]

Just make sure big botter clans or adena buyer clans dont get them
that's all i ask.

[pix]

The Clan Hall Distribution giveaway was created to ensure that clan halls on the new servers go to active and legitimate player clans in a fair and supervised method. From October 7 to October 13, eligible clans may send an entry to participate in this giveaway. Please read the Clan Hall Distribution (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) page to learn about eligibility and how to send an entry.


maybe im missing something how does this system ensure fairness ?

[kropek]

"Canadian residents will be required to answer an additional mathematical question in order to claim a prize."

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A

gf

[Sace]

When my server was Aria, my clan had a CH by a win bidding. At the moment, CH are empty, but last bids aren't in our WHC. How to "bid" for a CH on the new server, if lasts bids aren't given back?

It was stated the Server Merge Guide (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/server_merge_20.html) that only clans that purchased clan halls before September 29th would be reimbursed.

Since the merge, some clans were able to purchase clan halls for a few hours after the Emergency Maintenance that fixed the quest issue. Those clans are being reimbursed their bid amount in time for them to participate in the Clan Hall Distribution. If you haven't received your reimbursement yet, please send a support ticket.

[SlyCutter]

Sace can I have permisson to buy adena because at min I need 500 mil in 5 days or 3 billion in 5 days.

No way I can do that legitly i would have to sell all my gear below market value to just come up with the money and there still no guarentee Ill win.

How are you allowing clans that never owned a clan hall to get a clan hall over clans who owned one for years? Wasn't current clan ownership one of the factors or was that another OOPS cabel told me the wrong info

[Aghen]

It was stated the Server Merge Guide (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/server_merge_20.html) that only clans that purchased clan halls before September 29th would be reimbursed.

Since the merge, some clans were able to purchase clan halls for a few hours after the Emergency Maintenance that fixed the quest issue. Those clans are being reimbursed their bid amount in time for them to participate in the Clan Hall Distribution. If you haven't received your reimbursement yet, please send a support ticket.

Yes, i read the guide. My clan bought the CH before the 29 septembre.... We earn the CH at the last merge, when lionna became Aria...

[SlyCutter]

Wait this gets better:

When the entry period closes, the winning entries is randomly selected, and each winning clan receives a Clan Hall of the grade it bid for. The required bid amount of Adena is withdrawn from the Clan Warehouse. Each clan that does not win a Clan Hall will be reimbursed 65% of the amount originally submitted to its Clan Warehouse.

OH awesome so on top me selling all my gear if possible to get to the 5 billion adena if I lose I lose 1.75 billion in adena on top of not getting a clan hall.

Care to explain where that 1.75 billion adena is going?

[MaoMao]

Grats. Looks like a fair process unless the hidden criteria wont be used to disqualify legits.
M

[Chicken]

Sry Sace but i need to say its a big fail.
if u rly think its fair solution im shocked.

ncsoft forcing clans w/o money to buy adena or what??
because for some clans who are not top with rich mebers 3.5b for lower lvl clan is alot, and 5b is crazy price.

also requirements to obtain ch are funny also..u need to find 'American" kid who live in US to have chance for ch..
hey u know, on NA servers, are euro players also, and they playing and paying for YOUR game over 6 years.

[Combatcookie]

This is a Joke lol NCsoft you just prooved it again....

A-grade Clan Hall: 5,000,000,000 Adena
B-grade Clan Hall: 3,500,000,000 Adena
C-grade Clan Hall: 2,500,000,000 Adena

lol...ITS like you asking Legitpeople either to sellout alll thier items in order to even register on the giveaway or Support the farmers/botters in order to buy Adena, and than you wonder why PEOPLE actually buy adena.

When the entry period closes, the winning entries is randomly selected, and each winning clan receives a Clan Hall of the grade it bid for. The required bid amount of Adena is withdrawn from the Clan Warehouse. Each clan that does not win a Clan Hall will be reimbursed 65% of the amount originally submitted to its Clan Warehouse.

Rofl so even if the Clan does not Get a CH you just Throw out 35% of the Adena the clan provided?

at 5Billion thats 1,750,000,000

rofl....

[SlyCutter]

Honestly Just make an open bid process 2 billion adena. Need level 6 clan or higher with 40 members.

That be much fairer then this farce. At least I would have a chance at a clan hall... Guess Ncsoft really has their heads up their ***** because hey everyone just has 5 billion adena lying around lol

[Krissa]

I wonder how soon no players outside US, Canada or EU will be able to hit a mob that has a chance to drop adena, and Canadian residents will be "required to answer an additional mathematical question" before they are allowed to pick up the drops.

[Gyrlie]

also requirements to obtain ch are funny also..u need to find 'American" kid who live in US to have chance for ch..
hey u know, on NA servers, are euro players also, and they playing and paying for YOUR game over 6 years.

Obviously didnt read it all....

Clan Leader or Representative?

If the clan leader of an otherwise eligible clan is not of the proper age, is a minor in his or her country of residence, or does not live in an eligible country, state, or province, the clan leader must select a fellow clan member to represent the clan.


and it actually states 'As of October 7, 2010, the player making the entry must be a resident of the United States (excluding the state of Rhode Island, and excluding Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. territories, military installations and commonwealths), Canada (excluding Quebec), or the European Union.'

[Combatcookie]

Honestly Just make an open bid process 2 billion adena. Need level 6 clan or higher with 40 members.

That be much fairer then this farce. At least I would have a chance at a clan hall... Guess Ncsoft really has their heads up their ***** because hey everyone just has 5 billion adena lying around lol

not that everyone can just throw out 1.7bil adena for nothing if they dont win..

[Gyrlie]

I wonder how soon no players outside US, Canada or EU will be able to hit a mob that has a chance to drop adena, and Canadian residents will be "required to answer an additional mathematical question" before they are allowed to pick up the drops.

Its not Ncsofts fault that Canada has rules on prize giveaways.... u cant blame them for laws in countries/states.

[SlyCutter]

just read some more the requirements... If your in Rhode Island and a clan leader sorry no clan hall for you.

If your from Mexico no clan hall for you

If your from Brazil no clan hall for you

If your from Puerto Rico no clan hall for you

If your not in EU and from Europe no clan hall for you meaning the following countries:
Norwary Switzlerland Crotia Bosina Serbia.

If your from Quebec no clan hall lol

[Zoc]

So if a clan is level 9... they can't qualify for a C grade one, even if they had one before the merge? So they have to pay for a B one? HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHA

[Julie]

No clanhall for russian clanleaders? :eek:

[mcBuff]

I don't understand how is that a Clan Hall Distribution giveaway? When clans have to pay billions for entry and get refunded partially if they didn't get awarded a Clan Hall??

give·a·way (gv-w)
n. Informal
1. The act or an instance of giving something away, especially the appropriation of natural resources or public lands for private gain.
2. Something given away at no charge, especially a premium.
3. Something that accidentally exposes or betrays.
4. A radio or television program on which prizes are given away to contestants.
5. Legislation, such as a tax law, that benefits only one segment of the population.

[twin]

What can i say? My clan had a Cgrade clanhall, we got it for 20m because some clan lost it somehow.

When i read about fair distributing of clanhalls i NEVER expected 2.5B for a cgrade clanhall, i never expected to get a better clanhall than we had, but this is rediculous.

My clan is lvl 9 and we spend alot of hours to lvl it. But i guess i can throw all away now, because LEGIT players CAN NEVER get a hold of that adena, 50 active players in a clan need to pay 50m EACH to the clan to get a hall, but what they need is to spend those 50m IF they even have it on their own gear.


WELL anyways i will put in our application for a Cgrade clanhall but i will leave those 20m in clan warehouse and we will see what happens.
2.5B in my dreams if i had i would pay up.

[Sley]

OMG.... NCSOFT getting .... i will not say it...it will ban my post.

I thought u said we going too do it fair

+++++ on failing here again, you going too help the botters and scammers again.

gogogo adena sellers go farm cause u proberly will sell alot.

this is rly ridiculus

[Chicken]

Obviously didnt read it all....
and it actually states 'As of October 7, 2010, the player making the entry must be a resident of the United States (excluding the state of Rhode Island, and excluding Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. territories, military installations and commonwealths), Canada (excluding Quebec), or the European Union.'

European Unions...u know some of countries in EUrope are not in EU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union - definintion of EU.

[Sace]

Please read the full Clan Hall Distribution page, people. If the clan leader is not in an eligible country, they can elect a representative that is. See the "Clan leader or representative" section.

[SlyCutter]

NO "LEGIT" clan can ever afford to lose 1.75 billion adena or even on the 2.5 billion which would be around 900 mil... 900 mil can outfit at least 10 clannies in full sgrade or 2 - 3 in full s80. 1.75 mil you can outfit about 20 members in sgrade or 6 in s80.

Thats too much potential loss for a legit clan.

If you win one then you lose 5 billion which could gear about 70 people in s grade or about 20 in s80..... Does anyone at Ncsoft even play L2 anymore?

Please get HGMSpam to tell you have to play L2 at least he use to play the darn game.

[Chicken]

Ok leader can choose a person who live in 1 of country on list.
but why u complicate it so much..:(

In last merge, or even before there was no problem to bid ch's and now U have some weirds requirements:(

[GogFather]

Sace originally it was stated that "previous clan hall ownership" was taken into consideration for the selection process (before this new list of rules were just posted).

is that still the case or do these new rules over-rule that.

or is it part of the "secret formula of selecting"?

maybe u can't tell me either way? ;)

[phoenixdown]

You kids do realize for the POWER HOUSE (the ones who actually need a rune/goddard ch to pvp from) clans of each server 5bil adena is chump change right?

[SlyCutter]

I think its more the Cabel gave me wrong info OOPS we are sorry kind Gog

Do you realize the powerhouse clans on some servers didn't even own clan halls because they weren't willing to pay for them.

[Zoc]

I see my post was deleted but it is a valid question. If we have a clan that is lvl 9, can we not apply for the C grade clan hall? We MAY be able to make an additional 500 mil in 5 days for a clan hall, but there isn't any way we are going to be able to get 1.5bil adena in 5 days.

[Krissa]

Its not Ncsofts fault that Canada has rules on prize giveaways.... u cant blame them for laws in countries/states.
It's not a "prize giveaway" - it's a redistribution of ingame assets. They took a clan hall from a clan "owned" by my toon, now I have a chance to get it back.

And no, you cannot blame the laws: as I said, if the law had applied to ingame assets distributed by luck, Canadians would have "required to answer an additional mathematical question" before picking up drops.

[common1]

It's not a "prize giveaway" - it's a redistribution of ingame assets. They took a clan hall from a clan "owned" by my toon, now I have a chance to get it back.

.
welcome to socialism....

[Shinnai]

LOL so much for a fair distribution...wonder how many altclans of lvl 9+ will get additional CHs with botmoney, ******* failure NC...

[Zoc]

It's not a "prize giveaway" - it's a redistribution of ingame assets. They took a clan hall from a clan "owned" by my toon, now I have a chance to get it back.

And no, you cannot blame the laws: as I said, if the law had applied to in-game assets distributed by luck, Canadians would have "required to answer an additional mathematical question" before picking up drops.

maybe it is actually a random chance? Maybe they just have random names pulled out of a hat, or like random.org pick certain numbers.... then that would make them have to do the mathematical skill testing question... and if that is what they are doing.. how the hell is that called fair distribution?

[Krissa]

You kids do realize for the POWER HOUSE (the ones who actually need a rune/goddard ch to pvp from) clans of each server 5bil adena is chump change right?
Do you realize that their chances to get a Giran CH are the same as their chances to get a Goddard one? :p

And that the big PvE clans have exactly the same chances for exactly the same clan halls?

[phoenixdown]

Do you realize that their chances to get a Giran CH are the same as their chances to get a Goddard one? :p

And that the big PvE clans have exactly the same chances for exactly the same clan halls?

Yes, I fully understand that. However, if they cannot come up with the money because they've failed to compete for raid bosses in order to obtain drops to sell on the market to pay for the CH, they cannot do anything about it.

[Kruken]

Really 5 billion adena Sace? I can't even afford a Cgrade clan hall gve me 5 DAYS TO come up with 500 mil for a cgrade?

Thanks For screwing legit people... I could sell all my gear and not even get the 5 billion by next Weds.

Couldn't give a month to come with the money? 5 days with no prior knowledge... I love it thanks again.

PS Me owning an agrade clan hall for 4 years and not having any members banned for botting means nothing I guess then right?

It is laughable. After having a rune clan hall for 4 years, getting it legitly by setting in town for months buying and selling to make the adena. Now we are not even eligable to get a rune clan hall. So who really think its worth 2.5bil for a C grade clan hall in Gludio. Obviously someone has influence over how this game is being manage, or they really are trying to get people to quit so they can chut it down.

[LordRiot]

Wow, how are you people still employed?

I come back from a hard days work to read this nonsense and I really have to wonder... First you completely, utterly, and hopelessly fail to handle the TW badges issue. No one will forget that in a hurry, (in fact they'll be reminded about how they were ripped off by NC Soft every 2 weeks) then you completely screw this up also.

Honestly how do you people have the talent to continue to fail so spectacularly?

You reimburse all clan halls for the amount that is 2 bil, then forcibly evict people from their clans and 'force' everyone onto new servers, then ask from these people who used to OWN these top grade clan halls more than DOUBLE the amount you reimbursed in the first place? Are you actually serious?

Why should we spend 5 billion of our clans money on this nonsense when it's actually your fault this is all happening? Can we afford it? Yes but it's entirely irrelevent. You are costing us our time and money here just because you're terrible managers.


Simple fact is, you're responsible for this situation and you're making the player base pay for it. For even attempting to make this fly you are all utterly disgusting...

[common1]

Did you ppl really think it was gonna be free? What game have you been playing for the last 6 years???

[Mosho]

I don't know what education the NCsoft team has, but here is a bit little chance to learn something:

1.Change Management: Crucial: >>> effectively communicate the change. Having no information to deal, apart from "you will be informed" is simply unfair and stupid. We have lives to take care of, not sit around the whole day, hoping that you would give us something.

2. You claim your method is fair? 5kkk adena requires preparation. WITH NO INFORMATION ABOUT THIS several weeks priors to the merge, do you expect people NOT to go to adena sellers now?

3. Why did you go through so much trouble to design criteria, so complicated, most clans will just not read?We have paid for something, it has been taken away and now just to be "fair" you took out rules out of god knows where to try to fix it.

>>> Simple: 3 clans owning the same CH before merge. 3 clans that have PAID!!!!!!!!!!
Just choose the most active, don't require adena.

4. Not to forget> Each clan that does not win a Clan Hall will be reimbursed 65% of the amount originally submitted to its Clan Warehouse.
Not gonna even comment on that.

[mcBuff]

Did you ppl really think it was gonna be free? What game have you been playing for the last 6 years???

It says giveaway and giveaway = free

[braintje]

Really 5 billion adena Sace? I can't even afford a Cgrade clan hall gve me 5 DAYS TO come up with 500 mil for a cgrade?

Thanks For screwing legit people... I could sell all my gear and not even get the 5 billion by next Weds.

Couldn't give a month to come with the money? 5 days with no prior knowledge... I love it thanks again.

PS Me owning an agrade clan hall for 4 years and not having any members banned for botting means nothing I guess then right?

Even 2.5 billion is alot of adena for a clan nowadays
been for 5y+ in the game and never saw more then 2bil adena, the most things we did was gearing up our members ....

It was stated the Server Merge Guide (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/server_merge_20.html) that only clans that purchased clan halls before September 29th would be reimbursed.

Since the merge, some clans were able to purchase clan halls for a few hours after the Emergency Maintenance that fixed the quest issue. Those clans are being reimbursed their bid amount in time for them to participate in the Clan Hall Distribution. If you haven't received your reimbursement yet, please send a support ticket.
and for sure when you only get 50% remboursed of your previous clanhall ( in my situation, so far i know our clan bought a clanhall for 2bil and only get 1 bil back, i even know a friend who didnt get any adena back from his clanhall, and yes we petitioned it)

Did you ppl really think it was gonna be free? What game have you been playing for the last 6 years???

no... but this isnt just serious :(

[common1]

It says giveaway and giveaway = free
once again, are we even playing the same game???

[Krissa]

Yes, I fully understand that. However, if they cannot come up with the money because they've failed to compete for raid bosses in order to obtain drops to sell on the market to pay for the CH, they cannot do anything about it.
I'm sure many of them have at least 5 members that can throw a billion from their own pocket for the clan needs. And even if not, all they need to collect is less than 50 mil per a clanned toon.

[dexteruk]

im with most people here, this is just beyond the joke, once again it seems Ncsoft just trying to kill the Game.

What about clans that have spent there money upgrading there clan members like we are ment to, are we really just ment to sit on 5b and look at it each day.

No warning about any adena being need or any thing.

forcing legit players to buy adena.. that will be only option for many and then ontop adding the insult of taking money if they bid is rejected, just LOL. very interested to know where this money goes.


one final note about being refunded.

Owner of Rune clan hall, Refunded 2b and expected to buy for 5b?

[SlyCutter]

5 billion 50 mil per toon would mean you have 100 active people in your clan.

Most legit clans if they are larget have in the range of 30 - 50 members meaning coming up with 100 - 150 mil per person with 5 days notice with no guarentee you will win.

Thats a lot of money collecting in a short time im sorry legit people do not all have 100's of millions lying around.

Maybe if we knew when server merges were announced we would of not upgraded our gear and weapons in freya and saved it but what are we suppose do with 5 days notice?

Ebay? Is that what they want us to do?

[shikisha]

Anyone need a representative in the US? Lol.


I agree with mcBuff. It's not a giveaway. Seems closer to gambling.

[Krissa]

I see my post was deleted but it is a valid question. If we have a clan that is lvl 9, can we not apply for the C grade clan hall? We MAY be able to make an additional 500 mil in 5 days for a clan hall, but there isn't any way we are going to be able to get 1.5bil adena in 5 days.
I wouldn't bother. Only the A-grade clan halls are priced about their market values. The rest is overpriced and won't sell, and then you will have a chance to win a clan hall once they will be unlocked for the normal ingame auction.

[twin]

They probably raise the max bid if some of the clanhalls goes to real auction.
So i guess it doesnt matter.

What i want is an answer from Sace or any other gms about this issue about the adena?
Are you goin to change that or leave it be?

[Mosho]

Has anyone received their adena refund back?

[Krissa]

I did. Even before the downtime for the merge.

[Mosho]

Our Clan Hasn't. How many other clans have received theirs?

[Roseil]

You guys QQ an awful lot. The CHs are obviously a scarce commodity that *everyone* wants access too... did you think they were going to be dirt cheap or what?

NC - This is VERY fair imho, and kudos for performing the CH distribution this way - it shows you can learn from previous mergers and adapt for the wellbeing of your playerbase. If only you would *give me back my TW badges* I could begin e-loving you again.

[SlyCutter]

Your on drugs then Roseil.... I guess you clan bots so much that 1.75 billion to lose for nothing is pocket change?

[ChikariShu]

Our clan had monney back too,

What type of clan hall did u have ?
Was it a contested one ?

[Taz]

I wouldn't bother. Only the A-grade clan halls are priced about their market values. The rest is overpriced and won't sell, and then you will have a chance to win a clan hall once they will be unlocked for the normal ingame auction.

Oh im sure there are some alt clans from the top that will buy them...and maybe sell them later.

[SlyCutter]

I got an idea.

You gave me what I paid for the clan hall back.... Why dont you give me the 3.5 million a week in manitence back that I paid for it over the last 4 years

that would give me an extra 728 million which at least I could afford a c clan hall lol

[ArtbuntRector]

Why would anyone want a pos giran clan hall for 5 bil?

[HekpomaHka]

Our clan had monney back too,

What type of clan hall did u have ?
Was it a contested one ?

It was in giran not contestable.

[Krissa]

Oh im sure there are some alt clans from the top that will buy them...and maybe sell them later.
They will be trying to buy A-grade clan halls, for the obvious reasons.

[Roseil]

Your on drugs then Roseil.... I guess you clan bots so much that 1.75 billion to lose for nothing is pocket change?

I dont run with a clan.

A) If I had a clan, and they were so scrub they could only put together 1B, I would understand my clan didn't deserve a CH with the literally hundreds of other worthy and WEALTHY clans that exist in our merged world.

2)The entry fee is just that. Without paying it you get NO chance at a clan hall. I would not call "a chance at getting one of the few and very desirable clan halls" nothing.

[Malda]

5b is only 50m to each members for 100 members. Don't tell me it's impossible for a big clan.


The only stupid thing is the 65% refund.. why not 100% ?

Why it's call bid if u can't pay more than 5b?

I already see adena website seller going up with this, it's rly not smart..

But alteast it's fair, big clans will get their CH, small clan too, if they use their brains and share the 2-3b between 50-100 members giving 20-30m each. The unfair thing is even any random bot clan with billions adenas farmed can get a CH... :):):):)

[SlyCutter]

5b is only 50m to each members for 100 members. Don't tell me it's impossible for a big clan.


The only stupid thing is the 65% refund.. why not 100% ?

Why it's call bid if u can't pay more than 5b?

I already see adena website seller going up with this, it's rly not smart..

But alteast it's fair, big clans will get their CH, small clan too, if they use their brains and share the 2-3b between 50-100 members giving 20-30m each. The unfair thing is even any random bot clan with billions adenas farmed can get a CH... :):):):)

5 days is the problem Malda... Legit people do not necessarily sit on hordes of adena for sh*ts and giggles.

[Roseil]

You and your clan are giving a disproportionately high "i hate this" post-count to this thread. :P We get it, you're not a fan. They arent going to change it for you though, so I guess you should stop QQing

[martnix]

Yes, this is pretty stupid that if i won't get clan hall then they put some salt on wounds and take away adena also...
Unlucky ppl are made even more unlucky

[Koto]

lol guys ,im legit , im a dwaorf, if i play for 5 hours a day fror 5 days farming hard i can make 200m at least. i already made 600m at this merge. 1.9b atm, and im just a normal member.

[ArtbuntRector]

lf maomao rage

[Julie]

My suggestion:

- Make it a 100% refund, not 65%
- Give the most active, biggest and highest lvl clans a choice of what clanhall in what town they want, going down the list to the least active and smaller clans to have the last picks.
- Make the lower lvl ch's cheaper.

If rules wont be changed, alot of clanhalls will be up for auction and it will be unfair for those ppl that paid alot of money.

[___Darkrich___]

Granted I might have missed something with it being 3am, but am I right in thinking it will be purely random which town per grade - such as for A grade giran, rune, goddard or aden..? Or will criteria apply in them being assigned.

[Reflex_Point]

{Clan Leader Login}
@Leader: Hi guys
@We: Hey, glad u logged in leader. Did you read the notes about clan distribution?
@Leader: No, what about it?
@We:we need 5B
@Leader: What??
@We: Yeap. is official now.
@Leader: Well, we got 2B back from the merge. Any suggestions?
@We: I have X amount adena, and we all can cooperate.
@Leader: Well, lets see what can we come up with.
@We: boss, this is a chance to get a clan hall only, if we don't make it in the riffle we loose 1.75B ... no 100% refund.
@Leader: @$RQ$F$@!$!%$#@@$%%&^G
{Clan Leader logged out}

[Krissa]

- Make it a 100% refund, not 65%
I'd say keep the refund exactly as it is in the game, 90%.

[Julie]

I'd say keep the refund exactly as it is in the game, 90%.

That works too, a 1.75b loss on the agrade ch is simply just way too much.

[Attamo]

Is it just me or can't NC do ANYTHING right? Even a simple count seems hard?

http://www.lineage2.com/news/clan-hall-distribution-rules.html

The prize breakdown is as follows:
21 winners per server will receive:
One (1) A-grade Clan Hall (No Retail Value)
13 winners per server will receive:
One (1)B-grade Clan Hall (No Retail Value)
3 winners per server will receive:
One (1) C-grade Clan Hall (No Retail Value)

21+13+3= 37

If i'm not mistaken there are 38 auctionable clanhalls... You planning on keeping one for the GM's? Will they finally become more active?

[ChikariShu]

How is NC soft gonna see if a clan is fulled wiht active members
or just plain alts from other accounts ?

[Asproparis]

5 billion 50 mil per toon would mean you have 100 active people in your clan.

Most legit clans if they are larget have in the range of 30 - 50 members meaning coming up with 100 - 150 mil per person with 5 days notice with no guarentee you will win.

Thats a lot of money collecting in a short time im sorry legit people do not all have 100's of millions lying around.

Maybe if we knew when server merges were announced we would of not upgraded our gear and weapons in freya and saved it but what are we suppose do with 5 days notice?

Ebay? Is that what they want us to do?

possible

[renfield]

I noticed this part:

I understand and agree that any User Agreement/Rules of Conduct violation or association with any User Agreement/Rules of Conduct from this or any related account may result in the disqualification of my Clan Hall Distribution entry and forfeiture of the distribution entry fee.

I REALLY hope this means that if someone in clan was banned for EULA vioation, then bids are disqualified and lost. Most of the top clans have had botters banned so they would be out of the running!!! I don't care either way about a CH really but the idea of all those uber players getting shafted makes me lol.

If this is true then it might be a reason to stick around to see all the QQ.

[ChikariShu]

I noticed this part:

I understand and agree that any User Agreement/Rules of Conduct violation or association with any User Agreement/Rules of Conduct from this or any related account may result in the disqualification of my Clan Hall Distribution entry and forfeiture of the distribution entry fee.

I REALLY hope this means that if someone in clan was banned for EULA vioation, then bids are disqualified and lost. Most of the top clans have had botters banned so they would be out of the running!!! I don't care either way about a CH really but the idea of all those uber players getting shafted makes me lol.

If this is true then it might be a reason to stick around to see all the QQ.

How are tehy gonna see that its not from the same player?
If this player makes fake names or uses his friends or family member names and pays with game time cards ... how will they know ?

[KJ_Castor]

ok let me see if i got it right...


you need a clan level 9 (you have no idea how many inactive lvl 9 clans exist) and a total of 80 members (Note members no further requirements) so this is a total of 12 accounts (12 * 7 characters = 84 Characters)
a couple clans/alliances are able to collect a lot of adena in a very short time, lets say they can gather 50 billion in 5 days from all members/selling items (crystallize if neccessary and sell crystals to buyshops)
furthermore lets say they are able to reactivate 10 clans lvl 9 or above (calling previous friend that have been leader etc) or they have leadership on an alt char of one of these clans.


hmm why should that clan have 10 times the chance as mine to get a clanhall, or even multiple halls?

i mean i am really serious on that the selection is random. it doesnt matter if the membership consists of 12 players, the requisite are characters. it doesnt matter if that clan has been permanently active or being revived no?

you guys should make further rules and restrictions on that to make sure each clan makes exactly one bid.

and what the hell is that:
Partial entry fees are reimbursed to nonwinners.

are you kidding? partial?
i mean i agree on 2 billion as max bid being pathetically low, but why raise it if it is not intended by game design? and then, if the above is true, people will lose a hell lot of adena if they dont win. well i dont cry about the abusers but what about the people making an honorable and serious request as it is intended?

and how is partial defined? 80%, 60% or 1% ?
sorry there are people in this game that did not bot to 80, that did not ebay they 5/5 bossjewel set to make his char strong enough to participate and successfully defeat epic bosses like baium etc to make even more money to be able to do such stuff. +10 and even higher vesper weapons after freya has been live for 1 month? WTF?

you really dont see these problems dont you? you talk about fairness but have no idea about the games mechanics. you have rules and restrictions on the use of this game but the cheaters laught at you in your face while you ban them because you forgot their other 40 bots.
leaders of the big clans dupe items, use exploits like the olympiad bug. you ban them but lol they already requested leadership transfer. You even thought about changing leaders of clans with a banned leader. A Clanleader has the highest responsibility for his clan, his members for just everything. if he falls the clan has to fall aswell. you really think the people dont know it if their leader is cheating? i tell you something: they program the tools for him.

such a long post and i know the response or reaction from your side already: none, as you always do (unless you delete this post ofc because you say its against the forum rules ... rofl)

you know what the worst thing is? not that you upset your customers, but the real sad problem is that people are addicted to this game and you didnt fail enough yet to make it worth quitting this great game due to its company being out of touch with reality. but i tell you something: you are coming closer and closer, every day. somewhen even the most deeply addicted player will not bear it anymore.

[Jyrki]

You kids do realize for the POWER HOUSE (the ones who actually need a rune/goddard ch to pvp from) clans of each server 5bil adena is chump change right?

Teaspoon: 5bil? NP.

[Jyrki]

Yup Botter clans will have them and their alt clans all bid on agrade halls.

UP their chances to get a rune or aden hall.

After they win they will sell the rest off for about $1000 Euros or $1200 US which clan halls were selling for at their peaks in aden and rune.

Congrats a really poor thought out plan yet again i swear I think the lights are on and no one is home sometimes.

Kinda Curious how you know this.

[Kruken]

by the way:

http://lineage2.rochand.com/

didnt i say i smell riots incoming?

LOL awesome.

[SneezingTiger]

Kinda Curious how you know this.

He probably knows math and remembers what adena prices were at the time.. Would be my guess.

[SneezingTiger]

I have gone over to Star Trek Online (http://www.startrekonline.com/frontpage), it's a nice game to pass your time with a great company behind it.

Some trial keys here:
http://rochand.com/

Never heard anything positive about that game :/

[Kilgor]

by the way:

http://lineage2.rochand.com/

didnt i say i smell riots incoming?


**** this sucks :( cmon NCsoft do something!!! listen to your customers! I'd like to continue playing but under these circumstances is annoying.

[Melekh]

Just ******ed now.

[ChikariShu]

This is becomming a major stress game.

I dont like to say this , but remember cultural diffirences
u guys might be thinking in line with NC Korea, but we are
not in Korea.

And pull on the same line as REAL players for once instead of adding
u'r weight into the BOT scale!

PS: in real life i wouldnt like to get mugged near u, u'd help the muggers
finish me off, instead of saving me!

[Jyrki]

I have gone over to Star Trek Online (http://www.startrekonline.com/frontpage), it's a nice game to pass your time with a great company behind it.

Some trial keys here:
http://rochand.com/

It's a God Awful game, that was rushed out. A few of my Co-Workers played, and quit within the span of a few weeks of terrible customer support, Tech Support, so many bugs and terrible issue resolution.

[zapman2000]

As of October 7, 2010, the player making the entry must be a resident of the United States (excluding the state of Rhode Island, and excluding Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. territories, military installations and commonwealths),

LOL so since i live on a military installation i cant put in my raffle Ticket
wow its great to know that another company has just said it doesn't support the military isn't that great
P.S. they did just admit to the fact that there in game items have actual real life monetary value so yes you do have the legal right to sue them even if you don't win you can make it a big Media frenzy
P.P.S. hurry up and screen cap there words so they don't change it

[Kruken]

We should have took notice it was heading this way when they stopped gear drops on death, so we couldn't grief the bots and farmers anymore.

[Namiko]

ok let me see if i got it right...


you need a clan level 9 (you have no idea how many inactive lvl 9 clans exist) and a total of 80 members (Note members no further requirements) so this is a total of 12 accounts (12 * 7 characters = 84 Characters)
a couple clans/alliances are able to collect a lot of adena in a very short time, lets say they can gather 50 billion in 5 days from all members/selling items (crystallize if neccessary and sell crystals to buyshops)
furthermore lets say they are able to reactivate 10 clans lvl 9 or above (calling previous friend that have been leader etc) or they have leadership on an alt char of one of these clans.


hmm why should that clan have 10 times the chance as mine to get a clanhall, or even multiple halls?

i mean i am really serious on that the selection is random. it doesnt matter if the membership consists of 12 players, the requisite are characters. it doesnt matter if that clan has been permanently active or being revived no?

you guys should make further rules and restrictions on that to make sure each clan makes exactly one bid.

and what the hell is that:


are you kidding? partial?
i mean i agree on 2 billion as max bid being pathetically low, but why raise it if it is not intended by game design? and then, if the above is true, people will lose a hell lot of adena if they dont win. well i dont cry about the abusers but what about the people making an honorable and serious request as it is intended?

and how is partial defined? 80%, 60% or 1% ?
sorry there are people in this game that did not bot to 80, that did not ebay they 5/5 bossjewel set to make his char strong enough to participate and successfully defeat epic bosses like baium etc to make even more money to be able to do such stuff. +10 and even higher vesper weapons after freya has been live for 1 month? WTF?

you really dont see these problems dont you? you talk about fairness but have no idea about the games mechanics. you have rules and restrictions on the use of this game but the cheaters laught at you in your face while you ban them because you forgot their other 40 bots.
leaders of the big clans dupe items, use exploits like the olympiad bug. you ban them but lol they already requested leadership transfer. You even thought about changing leaders of clans with a banned leader. A Clanleader has the highest responsibility for his clan, his members for just everything. if he falls the clan has to fall aswell. you really think the people dont know it if their leader is cheating? i tell you something: they program the tools for him.

such a long post and i know the response or reaction from your side already: none, as you always do (unless you delete this post ofc because you say its against the forum rules ... rofl)

you know what the worst thing is? not that you upset your customers, but the real sad problem is that people are addicted to this game and you didnt fail enough yet to make it worth quitting this great game due to its company being out of touch with reality. but i tell you something: you are coming closer and closer, every day. somewhen even the most deeply addicted player will not bear it anymore.

sace? moxie? cabel? anyone ?

+1 btw

[Styr]

ok, for some reason they are running it like a sweepstakes, with all the legal requirements that come with that?

i seriously dont get it
all the virtual stuff belongs to NC, they can cancel your account at any time for any reason (EULA)
so wtf do they need all this legal **** for?
just so they can use our pics on the forum or in an ad if we win? Oo


**Newsflash to NC: This is not a RL giveaway/sweepstakes... You irrefutably own anything and everything that is being distributed, and even own the characters/clans that it will be distributed to... So stick with the criteria sure, but get rid of all the regionally discriminatory legal stuff, as it is totally unneccessary.**

[zapman2000]

they need legal b/c they cant just cancel your account any time they want
America has rules about that regardless of the agreement you agreeded to if your paying for something

[KJ_Castor]

We should have took notice it was heading this way when they stopped gear drops on death, so we couldn't grief the bots and farmers anymore.

not to mention the buff "blessing of protection" you know what kind of accounts did benefit from this one, dont you?

they need legal b/c they cant just cancel your account any time they want
America has rules about that regardless of the agreement you agreeded to if your paying for something

but we can cancel our accounts anytime we want.
my dream: all players suspend accounts the same day, and then wait for nc soft reaction.

[zapman2000]

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its funny the legal notices say its free but they want 5bill adena to get it
guess there saying that since they already "own the adena you have" its not costing you anytthing for the CH

[renfield]

How are tehy gonna see that its not from the same player?
If this player makes fake names or uses his friends or family member names and pays with game time cards ... how will they know ?

I'm looking at the word "association" in an ingame context. If so, then it means clans will be investigated for EULA violating members in its past. For those who say "how can I know if someone is botting?", that's a crock o' poo. If a botting toon is around long enough most likely the clan leader and most certainly other members will know.

[amythist]

OK I took a few mins. to try to get my blood pressure down . You people have got to be kidding , We do not want C.H. scalped so instead lets give them to the botted clans ,so they will quit the game . GMs put the bongs down and get intoo the game and see what goes on . Who is going to decide which apps are worthy for a CH and what will be the deciding factor lvl , assumed number in clan , or time in game ?
Geez just think a botted clan with all those epics and adena to sell might have give up alittle to a ligit clan that has not botted thier toons up , heaven forbid .

[Ryne]

Amen................if NCSoft wants to kill the game, why not just set an end date and let us press on? This is, well was, a great game but the handwriting's on the wall and the next step is that NCSoft is going to pull the rug out from under us. Anyone else been looking at Star Wars, The Old Republic?

MEEEE! I can't wait..i so want a beta invite XD

but it doesn't come out till next year, and l2 is rapidly imploding upon it's self...i'd hate to have to play wow till SWTOR comes out....

[Retribution]

Honestly Just make an open bid process 2 billion adena. Need level 6 clan or higher with 40 members.

That be much fairer then this farce. At least I would have a chance at a clan hall... Guess Ncsoft really has their heads up their ***** because hey everyone just has 5 billion adena lying around lol

Honestly, if your clan is not minimum lvl 9 it shouldn't even be allowed to participate in this. Large clans can come up with 5bil rather easily.

[LordSpinner]

Honestly I totally agree with Slycutter, Honest clans don't have that kind of money and I don't think we will see a response from NCSoft because then they would admit they are in the wrong.

This is totally different from everything they told us before this great merge that we talked about for over 3 weeks.

I for one did get my money back for my clan hall. but that is in no way what they are now asking for a new clan hall, and why am I being charged for the chance to get back what I had before when it was their idea to do this merge and so it is them that should be doing all of this for free with this lotto for a clan hall. 35% of the offering is more then boss jewelry or s80 weapons run.

This smells of NC looking to ban the last ligit people they are forcing to either go without or Buy Adena to continue on.

[Kruken]

not to mention the buff "blessing of protection" you know what kind of accounts did benefit from this one, dont you?

Thats what im trying to say without saying it. Since C3 everything added has benefited rmt more than anyone else. Specially the manor system, newb buffs, blessing of protection, common items, catacombs/necropolis, on and on and on.

Not to mention the obsurd rebalancing of classes ie......FOTM

[zapman2000]

lol even more things wrong

This is a free prize draw (the "Contest") and you are not required to buy any product, or service from the Sponsors, or to be a subscriber to any of the Sponsor's games to enter the Contest.


but wait then they say

Your Lineage II account name.

and you must have the adena required to get it
but there's more cause i know some one will say it they say to "Enter the Contest"

but then they go on to say

For your clan to eligible in this free prize draw, it must meet the following requirements:

WAIT DIDN'T I JUST READ THAT I DON'T HAVE TO OWN ANY OF THE COMPANY'S PRODUCTS TO ENTER

if you don't own a clan and the game then your entry wont be accepted that then means you did not enter this contest it means you didn't buy their game so they said they would auto disqualify you

i hope some one gets a lawyer real fast to start a law suite

[Kruken]

Honestly, if your clan is not minimum lvl 9 it shouldn't even be allowed to participate in this. Large clans can come up with 5bil rather easily. So NcSoft should just go ahead and ban everyone not in a clan level 9 or above. Perfect should make your L2 world perfect then.

[SlyCutter]

Kinda Curious how you know this.

Cause that is how much i was offered and I turned it down. Looking back on it I should of took the $1200 dollars and said f* the clan hall I would of been ahead of the game and been laughing at people now.

[Mardonius]

http://www.cloudshot.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/****-in-pants.jpg

[Retribution]

Honestly I totally agree with Slycutter, Honest clans don't have that kind of money and I don't think we will see a response from NCSoft because then they would admit they are in the wrong.

This is totally different from everything they told us before this great merge that we talked about for over 3 weeks.

I for one did get my money back for my clan hall. but that is in no way what they are now asking for a new clan hall, and why am I being charged for the chance to get back what I had before when it was their idea to do this merge and so it is them that should be doing all of this for free with this lotto for a clan hall. 35% of the offering is more then boss jewelry or s80 weapons run.

This smells of NC looking to ban the last ligit people they are forcing to either go without or Buy Adena to continue on.

******** honest clans don't have that kind of money. I'm in a lvl 11 clan that raids Tiat 2x a week, Frint 2x a week, Freya 2x a week, Zaken multiple times per reset, SOI on a daily basis (which includes Vesper drops), etc. A couple of boss jewels and some vesper weapons being sold gets a clan quite a bit of adena. Then factor in the 2b clans w/ clan hall got and u have right around 5bil. Nothing unlegit about that u ******* crybabies.

[Retribution]

So NcSoft should just go ahead and ban everyone not in a clan level 9 or above. Perfect should make your L2 world perfect then.


No, but the game has evolved. NcSoft should have changed clan restrictions as the game progressed. So raise level for castle ownership, for CH bid, etc. They should also raise the weekly cost of clan halls to more accurately reflect the changes in game, so like instead of 1 mil a week make it 30 mil a week for an A grade clan hall. That will keep clans that go inactive from holding clan halls forever.

[SlyCutter]

Really you have no ebayers or botters anywhere in your clan? I LOL On that one.

No one has ever been banned for botting in your clan? I LOL on that one.

Good try but we know you cannot do that stuff with 100% legit toons.


To sum up 1 person agrees with this... 5000 dont.... Im glad you think "legit" clans can do those things regualy. Because that would require you to be playing all the time to raid.... when do you xp? lol

[zapman2000]

even more good news if winner cant be contacted then a substitute winner will be choosen and if he cant be contacted that's the end of that clan hall For EVER according to how the legal notices are written

In the event the Substitute Winner cannot be contacted as mentioned above or does not comply with the prizes awarding process described in this Section 5.2 for a given prize, any such prize will not be awarded. Prizes are not transferable.

[KJ_Castor]

******** honest clans don't have that kind of money. I'm in a lvl 11 clan that raids Tiat 2x a week, Frint 2x a week, Freya 2x a week, Zaken multiple times per reset, SOI on a daily basis (which includes Vesper drops), etc. A couple of boss jewels and some vesper weapons being sold gets a clan quite a bit of adena. Then factor in the 2b clans w/ clan hall got and u have right around 5bil. Nothing unlegit about that u ******* crybabies.

mate calm down, the people posting here are not your enemy. the people not posting here are.

its not about the 5 billion at all i mean any clan can get 5 billion together within the given time. its about the process. your clan is lvl 11 and very active. imagine it doesnt get a CH ... wanna see your posts then afterwards

[ChikariShu]

NC soft Crew,

Why do you make it urself so difficult when it can be so easey.
U could have avoided all this flaming if u did one thing :

Ask u'r customers ( the people that pay u'r cheq's at the end of the month)
to simply suggest what they would like best in this or that case.

Pool the data u get, then brainstorm about all the collected data
and draw a middle line in that.

The truth is known by every player, good luck finding a legit big clan.
A handfull few hard working players is all u'll find, all the rest is lazy
botters that are to wearey to lift a finger to play themselves and after
they go annoy the real players, who off course leave because they
have no means to fight back.

Check them out play a week, u dont need to play more then that
to find them all those botters, even total newbies can point them out.

[Kruken]

No, but the game has evolved. NcSoft should have changed clan restrictions as the game progressed. So raise level for castle ownership, for CH bid, etc. They should also raise the weekly cost of clan halls to more accurately reflect the changes in game, so like instead of 1 mil a week make it 30 mil a week for an A grade clan hall. That will keep clans that go inactive from holding clan halls forever.

and what Clan/allinace would that be?

[Retribution]

Really you have no ebayers or botters anywhere in your clan? I LOL On that one.

No one has ever been banned for botting in your clan? I LOL on that one.

Good try but we know you cannot do that stuff with 100% legit toons.


To sum up 1 person agrees with this... 5000 dont.... Im glad you think "legit" clans can do those things regualy. Because that would require you to be playing all the time to raid.... when do you xp? lol


Oh you can't huh? I'm not saying that there is no one that has never botted or ebayed. No clan can say that for 100% sure, but I know mine has kicked people for botting when they were found. Unless you're in a 1 man clan, you can not make a definitive claim that your clan is 100% legit.

I just explained how big clans can raise money. It's not a major issue to do those raids so long as you have a lot of people in clan, and with big raids comes a lot of gear.

[Rohirrim]

Never heard anything positive about that game :/

They had a rough start with to little content, but is has gotten better and now they are releasing a new mission every week along with all the regular updates.

They will release a tool that allows the players to create their own content (missions, star bases for fleets (clans) and ship interior) later on this year (it will be in beta). The tool is a striped down version of the tool that the devs uses to add new content to the game.

The game engine gets new functions every now and then that allows the devs to add new things. Engine changes that is made or created for another Cryptic game that can benefit Star Trek Online gets ported over.

3 famous Star Trek actors has done some voice overs (more from other actors may be coming next year including Patric Stewart)
Current actors are: Leonard Nimoy (Spock: Original series), Zachary Quinto (Spock: Star Trek 2009 movie) and Chase Masterson (Leeta: Deep Space 9)

The devs are extremely active on the forums, answers almost all sorts of answers, the servers are monitored 24/7 (even on sundays during holidays).

The list goes on and on

[SlyCutter]

Oh you can't huh? I'm not saying that there is no one that has never botted or ebayed. No clan can say that for 100% sure, but I know mine has kicked people for botting when they were found. Unless you're in a 1 man clan, you can not make a definitive claim that your clan is 100% legit.

I just explained how big clans can raise money. It's not a major issue to do those raids so long as you have a lot of people in clan, and with big raids comes a lot of gear.

And I know many of the big clans and I cannot find one that doesn't openly allow botting I would post the long list of their names here but that is against policy.

SO yea I am sure no one in my clan bots in fact we have kicked and reported botters and gotten they banned by repeatedly reporting them. We did more then just kick them we ended their accounts in l2.

So yea there is no such thing a legit power clan hasn't been in years so get off your soapbox about trying to be legit.

[Retribution]

mate calm down, the people posting here are not your enemy. the people not posting here are.

its not about the 5 billion at all i mean any clan can get 5 billion together within the given time. its about the process. your clan is lvl 11 and very active. imagine it doesnt get a CH ... wanna see your posts then afterwards


Bro, I understand your point and yes I would be disappointed, but the old method of capped bid at auction NPC would be even more screwed. I'm not saying that there aren't issues with this, but it's 1000% better than a rush to an NPC to see who has a better bid script running on their 3rd party program.

What I dislike are the people that cry that it's impossible for them to get their 15 man clan, in arcana robes and IC, a clan hall. In reality this is more equitable than the in game system would have been.

[Cabala]

Like usual, NC Soft fails to inform people in a timely fashion about upcoming changes in the game that will have a major impact to the game experience.

Also they make a contest where more people will lose a lot of adena then there will be people receiving a clan hall.

To participate in the giveaway, the clan submitting the entry must meet all of these clan eligibility requirements:


Giveaway? That means free. Either hire someone competent to manage your contests and come up with things for your game or just do not get involved at all. Your involvement in this case is actually worse then the first come first served scenario we were in before.

[Rohirrim]

It's a God Awful game, that was rushed out. A few of my Co-Workers played, and quit within the span of a few weeks of terrible customer support, Tech Support, so many bugs and terrible issue resolution.

I guess that was before the old producer retired, the new producer has fixed allot of things.

Live chat for support if needed, several bug fixes, shifted from quantity to quality, listens more to what the community wants and takes suggestions etc etc

it's like day and night between those two producers.

[KJ_Castor]

sly, retribution can you please quit this catfight?

this discussion is as old as this game anything you say has been said a hundredmillion times already.

what is currently going on here goes far deeper than this lousy issue about bots existing in the big clans.

[Retribution]

And I know many of the big clans and I cannot find one that doesn't openly allow botting I would post the long list of their names here but that is against policy.

SO yea I am sure no one in my clan bots in fact we have kicked and reported botters and gotten they banned by repeatedly reporting them. We did more then just kick them we ended their accounts in l2.

So yea there is no such thing a legit power clan hasn't been in years so get off your soapbox about trying to be legit.


I'm in Camelot and I am most certainly sure that they do not openly allow botting. I know for a fact they kicked a couple of people over it, and they have turned down applications over it. Doesn't mean it never happens, and I know back in the day quite a few got banned over it, but it is not a clan policy to endorse it or accept it. Like I said, unless you are a 1 man clan then you can not speak 100% for sure about your clan.

[CeeJay]

******** honest clans don't have that kind of money. I'm in a lvl 11 clan that raids Tiat 2x a week, Frint 2x a week, Freya 2x a week, Zaken multiple times per reset, SOI on a daily basis (which includes Vesper drops), etc. A couple of boss jewels and some vesper weapons being sold gets a clan quite a bit of adena. Then factor in the 2b clans w/ clan hall got and u have right around 5bil. Nothing unlegit about that u ******* crybabies.

Must be nice to not have a job and just play the game. Most of us normal folks just have a couple of hours to play each day..........not crying, just fact.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[SlyCutter]

And why are you under the impression i have a 15 member clan? I have a 120 member clan and merging several other small clans into mine also. Many of us are in dynasty and morira and working on saving for boss jewels that are locked down like Baium or AQ.

If we were told say a month ago yes we would have the 5 billion also. I would not of bought my by Icarus bow and crafted my moirira if we needed it for a clan hall i would of stuck with my +8 drac and dynasty armour.

Instead i spend almost 900 mil crafting gear and upgrading myself because i though I just needed what I paid originally for my clan hall to get a chance a new one.

Now 5 days notice... NO legit clan has 5 billion laying around takes time to raise that kind of money.

[Retribution]

******** honest clans don't have that kind of money. I'm in a lvl 11 clan that raids Tiat 2x a week, Frint 2x a week, Freya 2x a week, Zaken multiple times per reset, SOI on a daily basis (which includes Vesper drops), etc. A couple of boss jewels and some vesper weapons being sold gets a clan quite a bit of adena. Then factor in the 2b clans w/ clan hall got and u have right around 5bil. Nothing unlegit about that u ******* crybabies.

Must be nice to not have a job and just play the game. Most of us normal folks just have a couple of hours to play each day..........not crying, just fact.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Yea, and not everyone makes all those raids, but when you are nearly full in a lvl 11 clan, it is not that hard. Not everyone makes every raid, but big active clans can produce those kinds of numbers consistently. Of course the game is going to be skewed toward people that have more time to spend on it, but that is like anything you do in life.

[ChikariShu]

and what Clan/allinace would that be?

Retribution is from phoenix server...
3 geusses in wich clan he is ... would start with an N...

Legit Clan, hell NO!

[Katasette]

This is not a giveaway. And it isn't an auction. I have never heard of an auction where you bid and lose 35% of what you bid when you don't acquire the item. As someone previously stated, this is gambling (and gambling with a lot of adena for most clans).

We just merged five servers into one server. Why not create four times more clan halls than previously existed so that those clans that had clan halls can still have them? Also, since the server is pretty packed now, why not even create even more clan halls so that clans that did not have them can have a chance to get one?

I agree with previous posts that this is not fair whatsoever. I find it hard to fathom how someone came up with this notion.

[KJ_Castor]

ah yea... i really hope your clan doesnt get a clanhapll retribution just to make you shut for at least a couple seconds.

[WfvArthiose]

Sace,

Serious Question.. if you submit for a A grade CH.. put 5b up. and dont get it.. why are u only getting back 65% of adena?

so you lose like 1.5b adena?


explain the reasoning please?

[Retribution]

And why are you under the impression i have a 15 member clan? I have a 120 member clan and merging several other small clans into mine also. Many of us are in dynasty and morira and working on saving for boss jewels that are locked down like Baium or AQ.

If we were told say a month ago yes we would have the 5 billion also. I would not of bought my by Icarus bow and crafted my moirira if we needed it for a clan hall i would of stuck with my +8 drac and dynasty armour.

Instead i spend almost 900 mil crafting gear and upgrading myself because i though I just needed what I paid originally for my clan hall to get a chance a new one.

Now 5 days notice... NO legit clan has 5 billion laying around takes time to raise that kind of money.

Well, you knew there was going to a new policy announced, so the smart thing would have been to hold on to all of your money. Instead, you used poor judgment, but that doesn't mean that 5bil is an unfair amount for a lvl 11 clan to come up with.

[Zoc]

Retribution is from phoenix server...
3 geusses in wich clan he is ... would start with an N...

Legit Clan, hell NO!

He isn't from nova xD far from it, I'm in the same clan with him. It's called Camelot. We had enough money mostly because we have been saving up for a while. Tried to save up and everyone was chipping in to attempt to bid on more then one ch in prep for the server merge so we could at least try and get 1, and then re-auction the other ones and return the money to the members. Now we just don't get the money back lol.

[kims]

So at the end of this week we have;

2 servers . Items lost due to your mistake that you wont rectify and a clanhall distribtion system that seems to have been thought up by a stoned Tinky Winky. Please explain in greater detail how exactly this system will work out fairer. I really think people need to know and understand how and why ? Simply not enough information. Expect bucket loads of complaints from genuine, active clans that lose out in this process ( especially those that held clanhalls before and worked hard to get em in the first place)

[pix]

Honestly, if your clan is not minimum lvl 9 it shouldn't even be allowed to participate in this. Large clans can come up with 5bil rather easily.

yes they can nm (your allies) for instance offered huge amounts + boss jewels last time - how? well they were rich on the back of bots (bad them><) and organised heros (they were very efficient at oly= good them i guess :-S). By leaving it open last time some clans grew, others made the profit, others lost out - to change things now with a system that is completely based on our trusting ncs non disclosed criteria to work and or actually be fair is hugely LOL.

From what ive read they wont disclose the criteria (incase ppl take advantage) which implies the criteria can be affected between now and time up - which perplexes me tbh and makes me think they cant be based on anything very solid.

they havent stated (so far as ive read) if after this initial distribution the clan halls will revert to old style - can u aution it the day after u get it - can u ever auction a hall again ? there is more unkown here than given facts :S but im sure greed will as usual overide common sense.

[SlyCutter]

Well, you knew there was going to a new policy announced, so the smart thing would have been to hold on to all of your money. Instead, you used poor judgment, but that doesn't mean that 5bil is an unfair amount for a lvl 11 clan to come up with.

I would post private messages from Sace but that is against policy she only told me to hold on to the original bid of my clan hall since it was part of the process current clan hall ownership would be taken into account.

NO ONE EVER SAID you would need some ridiculous amount of money. What if they made the amount 20 billion would that still be responsible? and come on with the bs already just drop this. No everyone is level 11. You need to hold a castle for 3 months to be level 10 so its not like every clan even with good activity can do that.

[MaoMao]

As I said, I will be coming back and with a vengeance. But I also think this is fair, because:
1. The money you dont get back are a safety so only serious ppl are entering the draw. Good selction criteria, brilliant idea.
2. The lesser clans are entitled to lesser CHs, but i see a problem here, the price being only half the top CHs, I think top CHs are underevaluated, should cost like 10-15 bn, but I am not current with prices on other servers, Franz was always higher.
3. The draw will be random (tho i am not sure i can trust NCSoft with that knowing their bias against legits) so the automated bidders wont have that huge edge.
4. Any legit clan should afford to lose 1-2 bn adena for a chance tho I think the timing is bad because they said will take a few weeks, but now it is a few days, lol...
5. If you dont qualify for the secret criteria (i.e. you are not 24/7 online with half the clan at least or something) and you dont make it into the slected few <b>YOU SHOULD RECEIVE BACK ALL THE MONEY !</b>. That is not clear in the announcement, but i think it is implied, since you have no idea about the criteria on which bots will be selected, then you should not be charged anything in case you do not qualify, cause it was impossible for you to know when you sent the aplication.

I do not understand what "originally" means. If i am to consider this: "Partial entry fees are reimbursed to nonwinners." it means you will only lose 35% of the entry fee,.

All in all, I find it fair IF, clans that do not make to the draw will not be charged anything for not knowing what the criteria are and submitting entry for nothing, no chance, and whis will probably include most legit clans.
M

[Ykara]

Even if all the officers in my clan sold all their gear.. we wouldn't have enough money to compete with lvl8 alt bot clans from top sides.. that have a direct line to RMT sites.

In other words.. no decent CH for legit people.. lvl 9+ legit clans.. can't come up with that amount of money.... and could only bid for a C grade one.

Lvl 8- legit clans.. most likely won't be able to afford a C grade CH.

I have a feeling.. that somebody that was trying to sell a Goddard CH in Teon.. will soon put it on the market again.. last time I noticed, that lvl 9 clan, had 120+ ppl.. between ppl banned.. or people playing AFK. There's also a chance we will see "WTS CH - 10k €" in RMT sites.

I don't even know why I bother.... NC won't do anything to prevent leg0ts from overcoming legits.

[Suri]

The representative must meet the following eligibility requirements:


As of October 7, 2010, the player making the entry must be a resident of the United States (excluding the state of Rhode Island, and excluding Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. territories, military installations and commonwealths), Canada (excluding Quebec), or the European Union. Canadian residents will be required to answer an additional mathematical question in order to claim a prize.
Just curious.....why is Rhode Island excluded?

As far as the Canadian residents being required to answer an additional mathematical question ..........I'm confused by this but this seriously may be a good requirement for anyone before they acquire hero status. It could greatly improve the content of hero shouts ...couldn't hurt anyway. lol

[Attamo]

- The Lineage II team impartially reviews the status of all clans that enter the giveaway, applying the same evaluation formula to all participating clans. (We will not disclose the specific formula to avoid potential criteria manipulation.)
- The winning clans are randomly selected. The player that submitted the entry must complete and return the Winners Release Terms document within a required time.

Can you please specify this more, is it random or will it be based on the evaluation of the clans? Meaning will bigger clans have bigger odds, or will it just be completly random?

By the way, if you dont want to let us know your formula cause people will try to manipulate it. Its a flawed formula anyways... Anything in the formula should be based on data from BEFORE the server merge and should not be able to be influenced anymore...

[KJ_Castor]

As I said, I will be coming back and with a vengeance. But I also think this is fair, because:
1. The money you dont get back are a safety so only serious ppl are entering the draw. Good selction criteria, brilliant idea.
2. The lesser clans are entitled to lesser CHs, but i see a problem here, the price being only half the top CHs, I think top CHs are underevaluated, should cost like 10-15 bn, but I am not current with prices on other servers, Franz was always higher.
3. The draw will be random (tho i am not sure i can trust NCSoft with that knowing their bias against legits) so the automated bidders wont have that huge edge.
4. Any legit clan should afford to lose 1-2 bn adena for a chance tho I think the timing is bad because they said will take a few weeks, but now it is a few days, lol...
5. If you dont qualify for the secret criteria (i.e. you are not 24/7 online with half the clan at least or something) and you dont make it into the slected few <b>YOU SHOULD RECEIVE BACK ALL THE MONEY !</b>. That is not clear in the announcement, but i think it is implied, since you have no idea about the criteria on which bots will be selected, then you should not be charged anything in case you do not qualify, cause it was impossible for you to know when you sent the aplication.

I do not understand what "originally" means. If i am to consider this: "Partial entry fees are reimbursed to nonwinners." it means you will only lose 35% of the entry fee, which is NOT the Ch price, therefore much fewer money.

All in all, I find it fair IF, clans that do not make to the draw will not be charged anything for not knowing what the criteria are and submitting entry for nothing, no chance, and whis will probably include most legit clans.
M


you are talking about criterieas ... uhm the only criteria i was able to find is:
The winning clans are randomly selected. The player that submitted the entry must complete and return the Winners Release Terms document within a required time.

[boica]

i want to ask clan leader in naia server must be from europe, usa, canada etc. but what about russia? if clan leader is from russia so he cant not try to get ch? or what?

[KJ_Castor]

i want to ask clan leader in naia server must be from europe, usa, canada etc. but what about russia? if clan leader is from russia so he cant not try to get ch? or what?

russians have their own servers no?
just find a representative in this case, you do have non russian members from europe or the us dont you?

[ManaBattery]

GF another NC fail

When you announced it first you mentioned a fair distribution, i dont see the fair part of it?! You also announced that there wont be any bid involved to make it just fair. Its all seems to be fair for big clans. But also, since the diffrent servers got merged together, the older servers like teon and franz has a big step forward in their clan evolution.

Older clans from older servers has a step a head compared to clans from example luna. To build up a good economy to be able to pay them huge amout of adena you require you need good business. How you expect that clans/people have good economies on a dead server like luna with over half of all peeps botting? Ow yes, sorry ofc, you didnt care in the first place to do somethign about it, you could have lost money there!!! Instead you put that awsome announcement every hour that reminds of that we shouldnt bot!

Why what huge amount of adena? Who wil benefit from it in the end anyway? Its not like gms need to gear themselfs up for anything...
Clans and peoples are furiouse about this, that will have no chance in the world to get so much money for them who doesnt have it. Whats the closest solution for them? yes right, by going against you cute little blue message that comes up once in an hour; buy adena. We all play the game, to have fun, not to be p*ssd of and annoyd day in day out...
Work in that!

[ArtemisDK]

I am quite sad that this merge has caused so many problems. The merge should have been a really positive new start for the people who's been stuck on the "dead servers".

In my opinion there are several "easy" steps NCsoft could do to please "us" your paying custemers:

1) Grant Clan Halls to all clans who had a clan hall before the merge. I really don't see the big deal NCsoft. It would make the game much more dynamic, and make PVP much more fluent. Not to mention fair.

2) Make Clan Halls that are leasable. Meaning that "any" clan could potential own a clan hall buy "leasing" one in a town. This option being a bit more expensive than the normal "clan hall".

I think it is really important for you NCsoft to consider that you just brought together the core fo your customers. The people who've been with you for 4-6 years. We stuck by you for so long. Through many challanging times, because we love this game. Some of us has worked really hard to get a clan hall in the first place, and seing it just disappear and redirected to someone else is just so unfortunate. Not to mention the little stunt just after the merge, where some of us actually thought we'd won our CH back, immediately taken away again, because of "one more mistake".

Is it really that hard to provide us "ALL" of us with clan halls?

[Margarit]

1 question for example 5 bil adena for a grade CH is the minimun or the maximun bit? or is the stantar adena that 1 clan must give?

[MaoMao]

you are talking about criterieas ... uhm the only criteria i was able to find is:

I mean the criteria on which qualify. However you are right in some aspect, that they dont specify what they do with the entries that met the entry criteria but dont meed the other criteria, the ones which are "secret". I think they should not lose any money because we didnt know when we submitted the entry what are they, we should asume they are fair and are not for bots only, therefore we should not be punished for bothering the staff with this.
M

[Retribution]

1 question for example 5 bil adena for a grade CH is the minimun or the maximun bit? or is the stantar adena that 1 clan must give?

Margarit,

It's the standard bid you clan needs to make in order to enter the process. No more and no less than 5 bil for an A grade clan hall. Consider it an entry fee of sorts.

[Azmaria]

omg that was something really unexpected by NCSoft..... not really, good old NC <3

expect a great act of public relations decreasing the required amount of adena in 3...
2...
1...

[L0k1Kun]

ok let me see if i got it right...


you need a clan level 9 (you have no idea how many inactive lvl 9 clans exist) and a total of 80 members (Note members no further requirements) so this is a total of 12 accounts (12 * 7 characters = 84 Characters)
a couple clans/alliances are able to collect a lot of adena in a very short time, lets say they can gather 50 billion in 5 days from all members/selling items (crystallize if neccessary and sell crystals to buyshops)
furthermore lets say they are able to reactivate 10 clans lvl 9 or above (calling previous friend that have been leader etc) or they have leadership on an alt char of one of these clans.


hmm why should that clan have 10 times the chance as mine to get a clanhall, or even multiple halls?

i mean i am really serious on that the selection is random. it doesnt matter if the membership consists of 12 players, the requisite are characters. it doesnt matter if that clan has been permanently active or being revived no?

you guys should make further rules and restrictions on that to make sure each clan makes exactly one bid.

and what the hell is that:


are you kidding? partial?
i mean i agree on 2 billion as max bid being pathetically low, but why raise it if it is not intended by game design? and then, if the above is true, people will lose a hell lot of adena if they dont win. well i dont cry about the abusers but what about the people making an honorable and serious request as it is intended?

and how is partial defined? 80%, 60% or 1% ?
sorry there are people in this game that did not bot to 80, that did not ebay they 5/5 bossjewel set to make his char strong enough to participate and successfully defeat epic bosses like baium etc to make even more money to be able to do such stuff. +10 and even higher vesper weapons after freya has been live for 1 month? WTF?

you really dont see these problems dont you? you talk about fairness but have no idea about the games mechanics. you have rules and restrictions on the use of this game but the cheaters laught at you in your face while you ban them because you forgot their other 40 bots.
leaders of the big clans dupe items, use exploits like the olympiad bug. you ban them but lol they already requested leadership transfer. You even thought about changing leaders of clans with a banned leader. A Clanleader has the highest responsibility for his clan, his members for just everything. if he falls the clan has to fall aswell. you really think the people dont know it if their leader is cheating? i tell you something: they program the tools for him.

such a long post and i know the response or reaction from your side already: none, as you always do (unless you delete this post ofc because you say its against the forum rules ... rofl)

you know what the worst thing is? not that you upset your customers, but the real sad problem is that people are addicted to this game and you didnt fail enough yet to make it worth quitting this great game due to its company being out of touch with reality. but i tell you something: you are coming closer and closer, every day. somewhen even the most deeply addicted player will not bear it anymore.

I totally 100% agree with you Castor.

I played this game for like 5.5 years now. Been in top clans and lower legit clans. I know how those top clans works, and mess with the game. Then i am not even talking about the economics ingame how they can turn it to their wishes.

For being a big legit clan (clan lvl9/10) its really hard to get a clanhall (theres is no clan with 80/100 active people on Naia, not even in Top clans. 30/40max every evening in Top clans). And even now this new distrobution its seems the love goes all to the cheaters again.

Your even reimbursing an CH for a clan which Exploited the oly bug. Like Castor said, you dont even know how the people act in this game. Your only seeing the monitoring side of L2, not how top clans messing with the whole L2 system.

Sace, really take reconsideration on amount of adena for a CH and the partial fee, thats just crazy. Give big legit clans like Castor also a chance to have something.

Why would we suffer from the non-stop ending cheating side. Seems nobody at NCsoft cares about the legit clans....

No words for this....

[Judas]

wow.

not only did you raise the bid requirements ... .but you blew the orginal out of the water...

honestly how did this pass requirements?

5bil for A.... and c is 2.5bil... my gaud....

keep the clan halls closed please.. seriously.. the pvp is better anyways... screw it..

AND do not call this a giveaway when it's costing utterly insane adena to get it.

not to mention clan 11's can't get a c grade hall... rotfl.... this is the most bizarre thought up distribution i've ever thought was possible.... so much for fair..

i'm fairly open minded to alot of interesting ways of doing it.. but this one has no thought out logic.

[Hopi]

yes you all right but NCsoft will do a **** to chance it....

my clan is owner of a clanhall since they exist on teon... and i got that money back.. that mioney is now a joke... at that time i would be max equi but now??? Only a big joke...

At least some Clans merged or leaders got banned... so they must be enough free on the new server... so why not give the owner the clanhalls back and the free one on a may bet from 2kkk to the clans whi want it?

why NCsoft wanna get adena out of the game or get player to buy adena to get that? that nothing like fair thats just Bull.... sry but thats the truth

[Narcissus]

Why dont they GMs post a date and time that they will be online, gather all CL's, pm people 1 by 1, investigate clan numbers of active accoutns etc and give ch like that?
Many clan got very small bid amount and they have to pay now what 5 bil?
If u wanna ask adena ask max 2 bil, not 5...

[PentAh]

Why dont they GMs post a date and time that they will be online, gather all CL's, pm people 1 by 1, investigate clan numbers of active accoutns etc and give ch like that?
Many clan got very small bid amount and they have to pay now what 5 bil?
If u wanna ask adena ask max 2 bil, not 5...

+1........ just do it and it will solve many many problem for you and players.
make your list of the clan that are active and then log on server pm the CL leader 1by1.....

[Hopi]

it can be really easy and fair but thats depends that you spend time on it. But you talking about NCsoft.

All old owner of a CH will be screened after simple factors. CL banned/member/status CH/ CRP progress at the last 3 month/siege signed/TW signed/+- member last 3 month.
After that you can see if a clan is activ or not. Than you can split the clanhalls under them. And you will see there will be a lot free CH after that. And than you can make a chance option to clans for a clanhall whats free. not depends on grade.
That more fair than that they do atm. All small groups or clans just loose.
And that 65% is the biggest joke ever.
But i will see how much not EU clans get a Clanhall like Silenthorrors X DH Hazzard and some other clans. Thats breaking the rule by NCsoft themself.
They dont trust they own system. They kill that game by themself to really strange.

[Synchro]

this is like the last nail on the L2 coffin.

before you close the servers I want to dedicate my favorite internet quote to the L2 staff

"It saddens me that despite my best efforts to instruct and better you, some of you insist on finding new ways to fail"

Regards
Tapon

+1........ just do it and it will solve many many problem for you and players.
make your list of the clan that are active and then log on server pm the CL leader 1by1.....

GL with the famous russian clan leaders which dont know even 2 words on english :D

[MaoMao]

Ppl, what did I tell you when you were "pwning" me with your flames as I was saying that any arbitrary thing cant be fair ?
I must admit, tho, that they did come up with sumething MUCH-MUCH-MUCH more fair that I would have thought they will. I thought they will see clan activity as hours online per char and then award them CHs based on that.
However, the criteria are much more complex and unless the "secret" part is not made especially for disqualifying legits and will be published later to see why we didnt make it, then i think it is really fair.
Market price for a grade CHs is much higher than 5 bn, perhaps double, market price for C grade is also higher, we gamble 35% and we may or may not get CH. If they eliminate all alt clans, all clans made just for bidding, all dead clans with many members but which didnt log in years, they i say it is worth the money. Provided we dont get eliminated on some bot only criteria such us online time.
M
P.S. please consider you said a few weeks till we get the details, it was a few days and we have now also a few days to come up with the money. Please allow at least one more week.

[Mosho]

Taken from the CH eligibility criteria:
Canadian residents will be required to answer an additional mathematical question in order to claim a prize.

I have never been so confused in my life o0

[RottenBaron]

Hello all,

After reading the rules to apply for clan halls I must say I agree with almost everyhting except this:

"Each clan that does not win a Clan Hall will be reimbursed 65% of the amount originally submitted to its Clan Warehouse."

I am in a clan with more than 120 real players and much more chars, we owned an A grade clan hall at Aden in Devianne until the merge and we can amass the 5 bil to apply for an A grade clan hall but loosing 35% if we dont get it its over the top.

Is it possible for NC to review just this rule?
I think that a 90% refund in case we dont get a clan hall is acceptable, less than that is very punishing to players.

Please share your opinion with me. I have no intention to create any upheaval in forums, I just want to share my thoughts with you.

Best regards,

[Taz]

Taken from the CH eligibility criteria:


I have never been so confused in my life o0

1+1=?

[KJ_Castor]

lets say i win one of thes halls for my clan, then i have to fill out this crappy sheet that i am a winner with all my real life data and my data will be used for advertising this company with the words "look this is CastorKhan the leader of the famous clan KJ on server Naia. What a happy customer after winning our so great clan hall distribution."

seriously sorry even if we win a hall i am far away from being a happy customer. i would rather pay the 12 euro more per month as tax to my country. my governtment cant fail worse than this company.

[Hopi]

Market price for a grade CHs is much higher than 5 bn, perhaps double, market price for C grade is also higher,

than give the clanhall owner that money so they can bet on a new one.....
that what you say is nothing more that dirty air.

[Nitblade]

2 Epic Fails in 3 days... TW badges and now This

35% PENALTY to your BID on a GIVEAWAY

Someone here seriously needs to look up Giveaway in a dictionary

my heart goes to Sace here that has the extremely ungrateful job of deleting/editing all of these posts directed to the producer

Am i the only 1 here thinking that If he was asked to torpedo this game, he couldn't do any better...

Well there is still friday to this week. I wonder if they can scrape together another Epic Fail...
As they say in French "Jamais deux sans trois"

[Profeta]

Well I not really interested in this clan hall auctions, I hadn't clan hall, but It is amazing how the NCWest CAN'T CONTROL the situations!

It is so amazing, that in Korea, Thailand, Japan, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Russia and who knows still where, the Lineage 2 working fine!!! Without server merges!!! Without ebayers and botters!!!!

Guys I think we have to turn with petition to NCSoft headquarter for give us a New Lineage II Staffs to our regions, because here I just at firstly see, that Sace, Moxie, Cabel and 1-2 GMs do their work.
Maybe just could be enough change a new boss at NCWest leadership because example the AION has same problems too.

So guys maybe let's open an other topic to this thing, because if the NCWest can't control our problem we have to turn to the NCsoft!!!

[MaoMao]

Why you even care, your having a top clan. Do you think smaller legit clans (clan lvl 9/10) like Castor having a chance? Lol, get me a grip....

I go to bed...

I am so happy that I can say fully that <b>I TOLD YOU SO</b> line... On the old thread about CHs i was "pwned" because i was saying that bot clans will get CH and legits wouldnt, ppl saying my tiny clan shouldnt have a chance to get one, now on this thread ppl say my "top" clan makes me not care at all.
This proves ppl only fight for justice when it is in their interest, but I dont go with the flow, and i will always say what I think it is right no matter if it is in my personal interest or against it.
M

[MaoMao]

Well I not really interested in this clan hall auctions, I hadn't clan hall, but It is amazing how the NCWest CAN'T CONTROL the situations!

It is so amazing, that in Korea, Thailand, Japan, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Russia and who knows still where, the Lineage 2 working fine!!! Without server merges!!! Without ebayers and botters!!!!

Guys I think we have to turn with petition to NCSoft headquarter for give us a New Lineage II Staffs to our regions, because here I just at firstly see, that Sace, Moxie, Cabel and 1-2 GMs do their work.
Maybe just could be enough change a new boss at NCWest leadership because example the AION has same problems too.

So guys maybe let's open an other topic to this thing, because if the NCWest can't control our problem we have to turn to the NCsoft!!!

+1 Exactly my thoughts. But I do think this particular issue has been handled much better than others, however, the overall situation is under any possible criticism.
M

[Drob]

there are legit clans that dont bot that have that kinda of adena so that argument is specious at best, and you keep saying it not a give away but in real world terms adena has no real world value so your just giving up pixecle for pix but i do think the 35% loss i a bit much and come off as lasy to me it just to keep the apps down to a min. and they wont have to look thru so many clans, and since the terms of what they look for are not posted maybe members being baned for botting rlmt is a check aginst the clans

[Judas]

hey should also raise the weekly cost of clan halls to more accurately reflect the changes in game, so like instead of 1 mil a week make it 30 mil a week for an A grade clan hall. That will keep clans that go inactive from holding clan halls forever.

honestly ... this is absurd.. because even at say 10mil per week... the funding to keep your clan hall would suck the available players dry.... even at 1 mil a week, it's still a drain on supplies. Specially when current players are barely able to supplement themselves.

Reguardless of what you do, any form of "tax" that is daily/weekly/monthly base is a drain and i don't care how active or not people are or a clan is... there are slow periods of time..

Hardcore activity seems to be required for countless people to even be considered a factor at all, reguardless of their skills at other things. To much is the seperation of "Class" being played and thought to be a weighted value in deciding anything be it epics, clan halls, or generally get any kind of party.

Not to point the finger directly at anyone as to an extent we are all to blame.... the current player base is responcible for the distruction of the system, and further input in trying to narrow down whom should get what is becoming a terrible joke. Clans lvl 11 being able to come up with 5 bil in a snap.... give me a break.

Worse yet is server side economics and other issues making it IMPOSSIBLE to meet the requirements.... as i understand it barts and pheonix had basically overall the best economy of all 5 servers.... and many would say aria and sayha probably had the worst. Overall Values of items and availability made selling anything practically worthless or pointless, offered adena for things got to the point where they weren't even paying for the value of the s crystal it took to craft, which excluded the other mats, the enchants and the elements.

Mass deflation combined with slight inflation in hopes to curb the loss lead to a stagnant economy. And now with combined servers, there is a barely any demand for anything aside from the typical top choice stuff and even that's a slow go.

So who in the right mind should be able to dycpher whom should get what.

I know the clan i'm in, the leader, and ourselves have been working quite regularly, farming what we can farm and selling what we can sell, dumping resources into the clan in hopes to meet the bid requirements initially. This was happening WELL before clan merges were announced because the rumors floating about, i think the initial period where this started was basically a year ago.. so in the past year, taking into consideration the requirements and needs of the clan itself to continue to opperate, slowly the clan has been accumilating adena while paying out for the excisting requirements to keep what we had. The end result, we can't even get a c grade clan hall due to being above the requirement, but we can't get a B grade clan hall because we cannot afford it either. We don't forfill the needs, We couldn't even strip all our toons and sell it in time to get what we need for it. And i doubt even if we have a full month to try.. we'd still not be able to do it.. and what then? after we are all stripped down to nothing, get a clan hall to sit around and doing nothing because we have neither the gear nor the any ability to keep it?

It's a pathetic joke...

In respect to clan halls and lvls and such, no matter what kind of raised caps on bids and other garbage you throw at it, those whom should have a fighting chance at it.... will always be left without, and those very few, that while may or may not deserve it.. and lets be clear again, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT "security/caps/lvls" you put in for requirements, the bad guys are always going to have this covered and will win in one way.

Use a little logic in the way this is working, and you don't need to use much, and you can figure out or at least should be able to figure out how royally wrong it is how this is being delt with. This isn't an oppinion at this point, it's completely ilogical therefore wrong.

[Judas]

Ppl, what did I tell you when you were "pwning" me with your flames as I was saying that any arbitrary thing cant be fair ?
I must admit, tho, that they did come up with sumething MUCH-MUCH-MUCH more fair that I would have thought they will. I thought they will see clan activity as hours online per char and then award them CHs based on that.
However, the criteria are much more complex and unless the "secret" part is not made especially for disqualifying legits and will be published later to see why we didnt make it, then i think it is really fair.
Market price for a grade CHs is much higher than 5 bn, perhaps double, market price for C grade is also higher, we gamble 35% and we may or may not get CH. If they eliminate all alt clans, all clans made just for bidding, all dead clans with many members but which didnt log in years, they i say it is worth the money. Provided we dont get eliminated on some bot only criteria such us online time.
M
P.S. please consider you said a few weeks till we get the details, it was a few days and we have now also a few days to come up with the money. Please allow at least one more week.

your point of view is flawed.. while your previous post in the previous thread had value.... your now suggesting something is much better yet it goes against everything you had said previous in the previous thread in terms of being fair..... well maybe not everything.. but quite a lot..

i'm curious as to what is really going through your head and how you ended up with such a point of view.. even on such a specific thing.

[DarkOmen]

Okay now that you have figured out how clan halls are being distributed, When are we getting our TW Badges back.

[ShinIageno]

Greetings people,

there are a few things that i observed during my time on my beloved Teon (that stopped existing) and i keep observing on this new server Naia that i would like to share with you.

1st) NcSoft has probably the worst customer service ever, did you ever notice that everytime you make a petition, you have 14 in waiting list? About time to change the "bot" message.

2nd) Bots, e-bay are against EULA, funny enough i see them everyday and look, i have 40 pk points, good memories from bots, so many petitions done...so many bots playing.

3rd) Clan Halls, our new and beloved mexican soap, how we love mexican soaps...absolutely fabulous. Criteria is not clear to ANYONE, will NC just create an array of clan names and make a random variable to pick some?
If that's so, sorry but me, as web designer, can do that too.

4th) We had the CH in Rune, we worked hard for it, there's a lot of sweat there, now we didn't received yet the money from the CH and we still need, in a matter of days get more XXX adena (obscene amount) to bid for another WHEN we're not even sure to get it?

"Dear clan members, please donate money so we can get 1 clan hall"
*Every possible clan members donates a bit*
*Bid*
*Clan Hall not attributted to the clan*
*Lost 1.75 billion*
*members* ok, where's our money now?

Sense, this picture makes none.

5th) NC didn't realized yet but WE are customers and WE are paying for a service that NC should guarrante with a minimum quality, that doesn't seem to happen and i don't see anyone happy with this.

6th) If the info about banned clan leaders would be true, then most of the biggest clans would not be qualified, for more info, create an account at any clan level 11 forum and see posts: "WTB ACC/ WTB ADENA".
Does anyone here is blind? I'm not.

7th) TW Badges, another chapter of our beloved mexican soap, since some players like me work hard every 2 weeks organizing people and aiming for the maximum number of badges they can, it is natural that badges are important for us. Maybe you should think that since we're legit, maybe we don't have money for Boss Jewels and MAYBE (only maybe) we're aiming for TW jewels.

8th) Events, how great they're, what's the logic behind a 10 minutes vit. maintenance potion with 30 minutes cooldown? Oh wait, we could throw candies to freya's beautiful face to receive nothing. What probability do we have? Do we have a probability to start? Guess not...
Also, events with summons behind us, what a great thing, everyone knows that summoners are a minority but they exist (like aliens, there's allways people who believe on them), this minority can't participate on events for the expected and logical reasons.

9th) i went off topic somehow but this should reflect the general feeling of the people with which i play. Seriously, if you (NC) want the game to follow this path, please change the rules and tell people:

Buy on the internet, just make sure you pay your account, be a brainless customer and don't bother us because we have 14 petitions in waiting list.


Cheers,

*Proud member of one of the last legit clans on this game* [KJ]
*Proud bot killer since the start and until the end*


PS: this post will probably be deleted due to the fact that the content on it is not offensive. I'm a proud Portuguese citizen and i know my rights so please, keep this post up:D

[Narayan]

If I am a winner, I permit NC Interactive, Inc. and NCsoft Europe Limited to use my name, likeness, photograph, hometown, and any comments that I may make about myself about this free prize draw that I provide for advertising and promotional activities. By submitting an entry to this free prize draw, I accept and agree to be bound by the Clan Hall Distribution Official Terms and Conditions (http://www.lineage2.com/news/clan-hall-distribution-rules.html).


what is this are you serious ???? for getting a clan hall you can use all personal data of ppl who got clan for game ??? this is against THE LAW!!!!

[Varaya]

The 35% adena loss sure sucks. What I also do not understand is why they set such weird requirements. Why not state that a clan must have had a certain number of clan members IN THE PAST, i.e. right before the server merge. Instead they state the minimum member number the clans must have by October 13. Which allows people to fill up dead lvl 9 etc. clans with alts, just to have an extra chance at the distribution (and then sell the ch to the main clan). For top clans, 5b is nothing. They can pay the money for SEVERAL alt clans, and they surely also have enough alts sitting around which they could put into those clans.

[Styr]

It is so amazing, that in Korea, Thailand, Japan, China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Russia and who knows still where, the Lineage 2 working fine!!! Without server merges!!! Without ebayers and botters!!!!
lol?
all those territories have ebayers and botters, except korea which has somewhat less, and russia which has almost none (due to totally different business model)

[Aine]

I almost forgot what i wanted to say with all this reading but i wonder how many bad words you guys would use if they would allow us haha:)

[Aine]

The reason why we still play this game is cause their aint any other game like this out there...hint hint someone make a good game so we can all say byebye ncsoft:) And dammit blade and soul is also from NcSoft. Trailer looked so awesome...

[Judas]

The reason why we still play this game is cause their aint any other game like this out there...hint hint someone make a good game so we can all say byebye ncsoft:) And dammit blade and soul is also from NcSoft. Trailer looked so awesome...

what's funny is that the MMO market will dwindle like any other game market.. the boom will have ended due to the mass of terrible games out there... and quite a number of people that are playing today are only playing because they have no wish to start over on another...

oventually a turning point will have been reached and people in general, simply won't care to be bothered with any of it anymore.

[Flame QQ Master]

1+1=?
3?:confused:

[Athina]

Ok so ncsoft found the perfect way to 'dance' around legal, human rights - wanting you to state your real life name - adress etc - even allowing them to use your real life name and adress - for wht purpose?
Because they are too lazy to figure out for themselves how to distribute clanhalls?
anyone tht agrees to their terms - agrees to something tht is actually totally outside the law - wht they want your personal information for? wht good is tht for them - this got nothing to do with a game at all!
and this should be for so-called advertizing means?
TO DO WHT?
yea - right - NC SOFT will visit my hometown - my street - fill it with banners etc etc and make a whole party of it right?
They got no right to use our real life names and adresses - but they put it really sneaky in the agreements for getting a clanhall - so you must agree
TY NSCOFT FOR FAILING AGAIN
you just dont want to do any work at all for making a game worth playing it - do you?
making up rules along the way...anyone can do tht .... whts the matter with you people?
lost the way?
just quit the game or start thinking!

[Jorge]

A-grade Clan Hall: 5,000,000,000 Adena
B-grade Clan Hall: 3,500,000,000 Adena
C-grade Clan Hall: 2,500,000,000 Adena


There is no emoticon to express what I feel, maybe this one :eek:. omg this is for real?, Can a decent clan afford a Clan hall ? GOD! gratz to those who can.

[Synchro]

Please stop mention the name NCSOFT with bad , you / we playing on servers hosted in USA from NCWEST which is company getting the code from NCSOFT they DO NOT
develop the game. They are more like branch of NCSOFT in USA. So NCSOFT will remain ALWAYS big company which made the most attractive game Lineage. The problems come only and ONLY from their branch NCWEST.

[Krissa]

A-grade Clan Hall: 5,000,000,000 Adena
B-grade Clan Hall: 3,500,000,000 Adena
C-grade Clan Hall: 2,500,000,000 Adena

There is no emoticon to express what I feel, maybe this one :eek:. omg this is for real?, Can a decent clan afford a Clan hall ? GOD! gratz to those who can.
A decent one? Yes. My 3-people full-legit clan could probably afford an A-grade clan hall... too bad it's only lvl 7 :rolleyes:

[kims]

Ok so ncsoft found the perfect way to 'dance' around legal, human rights - wanting you to state your real life name - adress etc - even allowing them to use your real life name and adress - for wht purpose?
Because they are too lazy to figure out for themselves how to distribute clanhalls?
anyone tht agrees to their terms - agrees to something tht is actually totally outside the law - wht they want your personal information for? wht good is tht for them - this got nothing to do with a game at all!
and this should be for so-called advertizing means?
TO DO WHT?
yea - right - NC SOFT will visit my hometown - my street - fill it with banners etc etc and make a whole party of it right?
They got no right to use our real life names and adresses - but they put it really sneaky in the agreements for getting a clanhall - so you must agree
TY NSCOFT FOR FAILING AGAIN
you just dont want to do any work at all for making a game worth playing it - do you?
making up rules along the way...anyone can do tht .... whts the matter with you people?
lost the way?
just quit the game or start thinking!



It's because they are running this as a prize draw , contest, event and all the above is what winners agree to everytime they enter/ claim their prize from an event/contest. At least clanhalls cant get lost in the post like alot of other prizes seem to do, but I'm sure they'll be some way they can screw that up too.

[Flame QQ Master]

@Rohirrim (http://boards.lineage2.com/member.php?u=135815)

It would be waste of tablet...

[Kruken]

Please stop mention the name NCSOFT with bad , you / we playing on servers hosted in USA from NCWEST which is company getting the code from NCSOFT they DO NOT
develop the game. They are more like branch of NCSOFT in USA. So NCSOFT will remain ALWAYS big company which made the most attractive game Lineage. The problems come only and ONLY from their branch NCWEST.
No it doesn't what we get here and have here is what NcSoft dictates to NcWest. All NcWest does is manage the servers, acount support and GM. Everything else is decided by NcSoft. You can't seperate the two companies Unfortunaley. What we have is what NcSoft decides we get, then Ncwest implements it.

[Flame QQ Master]

What we have is what NcSoft decides we get, then Ncwest screws it.
Fixed

[TheMerovingian]

Maybe a ''how to make 5b in 5 days'' guide will be published from Gms?After all,they have to know the game better than de do,to decide what is possible and what is not.

Step 1.

//admin
Create item - ID "Adena" - Input Amount = 5,000,000,000 - Create

Done

[Rohirrim]

Step 1.

//admin
Create item - ID "Adena" - Input Amount = 5,000,000,000 - Create

Done

the beauty of L2J

[Krissa]

It's because they are running this as a prize draw , contest, event and all the above is what winners agree to everytime they enter/ claim their prize from an event/contest.
"NO PURCHASE NECESSARY" lol

[Flame QQ Master]

the beauty of L2J
Edited by Sace: Taboo comment deleted!

[Synchro]

No it doesn't what we get here and have here is what NcSoft dictates to NcWest. All NcWest does is manage the servers, acount support and GM. Everything else is decided by NcSoft. You can't seperate the two companies Unfortunaley. What we have is what NcSoft decides we get, then Ncwest implements it.

Im pretty sure it doesnt work like that but lets say it does. Any idea why the heck on earth for example Russian official of l2 have EVERYTHING like in korea and yet we get only the bloody core of the game?

[TheMerovingian]

the beauty of L2J

Haha you caught me ^^

[TheMerovingian]

Honestly after L2 I'll stop playing MMOs all together, I haven't found a top of the line MMO that doesn't have bots, at least in the "west".

[Judas]

Honestly after L2 I'll stop playing MMOs all together, I haven't found a top of the line MMO that doesn't have bots, at least in the "west".

yeah...

i've tried a pile.. had access to trail them and all kinds of things.

Lineage II is my first and likely LAST mmo...

the entire market is garbage imo

[kims]

"NO PURCHASE NECESSARY" lol

yeah , i know lol :)

also :

"You assume sole liability for injuries, including personal injuries and/or damage to property or prize, caused or claimed to be caused by participating in this contest"


That'll be the banging your head against the desk in frustration then or falling over something when you run to post your signed documents back on time. loool

I'm guessing they have to do it this way because they are basically changing how the game works to do this ie, clanhalls should go thru auctioneer, but its pretty laughable when you disect that agreement.

[Styr]

Honestly after L2 I'll stop playing MMOs all together
another +1 to this

and lol @ good points by zapman :)

btw, anyone else think the "Clan Hall Distribution" graphic they put into the L2 launcher is hilarious? (or would be if we weren't so annoyed lol):
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/8105/chdistrib.jpg
"Oh, well!"

[PentAh]

Participants must follow this method of entry:

9. The paragraph: "If I am a winner, I permit NC Interactive, Inc. and NCsoft Europe Limited to use my name, likeness, photograph, hometown and any comments which I may make about myself, this free prize draw that I provide for advertising and promotional activities. By submitting an entry to this free prize draw, I accept and agree to be bound by the Official Terms and Conditions."

wtf?????

[Narcissus]

I had a question about this too,
Cabel may i please ask you, why players have to provide such sensitive info and give you the right to use it as you wish, just for a clan hall?
That means if i dont want my hometown, name, etc information to be public i cant take a clan hall? Im sorry but this is just ridiculous.

[Taz]

Participants must follow this method of entry:

9. The paragraph: "If I am a winner, I permit NC Interactive, Inc. and NCsoft Europe Limited to use my name, likeness, photograph, hometown and any comments which I may make about myself, this free prize draw that I provide for advertising and promotional activities. By submitting an entry to this free prize draw, I accept and agree to be bound by the Official Terms and Conditions."

wtf?????

Notice this part
By submitting an entry to this "free prize" draw

[emoulina]

ARE THEY JOKING ????
we lost our clanhall and got refund 64m that we spend 4 years ago to bid and get it , and now they ask 5 bill to get an A grade again ????????????

so they refund based on last bid 4 years ago but they ask bid based on todays economy of server ???? lol

So as i see it bb clanhall, bb lineage 2 , bb all f you..
i wont stay here and get treated like this..

THE COMPANY DECIDED TO MERGE SERVERS AND WE ALL LOST CLANHALLS AND NOW THE COMPANY ASKS WE PAY THEM 5 BILL SO WE "MIGHT" HAVE A CHANCE TO GET WHAT WE HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE ???? AND IF WE DO OK, IF WE DONT, WE ALSO LOSE 1.75 BILLS ??????????????????

DOES IT SAY WE ARE MENTALLY IMPAIRED ANYWHERE IN THE EULA ?

NEW EULA, add this plzzzzzzzz
"in order to play l2, you must aggre that you are mentally impaired and you will let ncsoft abuse you, use you , and decide whenever the company wants to get your virtual stuff back and ask you to pay huge ammounts so you can have a chance in getting thm back....."

Emoulina bb and qqqqqqqq

[Kruken]

Im pretty sure it doesnt work like that but lets say it does. Any idea why the heck on earth for example Russian official of l2 have EVERYTHING like in korea and yet we get only the bloody core of the game?
Well unfortunately it is how it work. Unless it's changed and I really doubt it NcWest has no rights to change or tailer L2 to NA/EU market (something we have complained about forever). Russia has a different contract and can run the game in their country how they see fit. Which means they can tailer it to their player base.

So basically we can complain tell we are blue in the face, but we will get the same result as we have gotten every other time something has gone wrong for the NA/EU market.

[Ardea]

First of all,
2.5kkk for 28 ppl = 90kk from every member. Is it too much?
3.5kkk for 80 ppl = 44kk from every member. Maybe this is too much?
5kkk for 100 ppl = 50kk from every member. Huge amount of money?

The answer is NO.

Stop whining ppl, it's ridiculous. If you clan is made of alts, you DON'T QUALIFY for this CH distribution. It's simple.

The rules are more than fair. So go and get those money if you want to get this CH.


As to those who laughs at laws.
Under USA laws this CH distribution falls under lottery, so all lottery laws are applied.
Canadian residence - say your lols to your government if they have put that laws with mathematical questions.
All words about personal info, again are there because law demands them to be there.


Sace, I think these rules are more than fair (ofc if secret criteria is fair too). Thank you for this nice plan.

P.S.: I'm not a big clan, I'm not a bot clan. We're legit and we could've been able to afford it if we aimed at it. We're still thinking if we should participate though.

[DeathWind]

The Clan Hall Distribution giveaway was created to ensure that clan halls on the new servers go to active and legitimate player clans in a fair and supervised method. From October 7 to October 13, eligible clans may send an entry to participate in this giveaway. Please read the Clan Hall Distribution (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) page to learn about eligibility and how to send an entry.

haha, seriously?! The planning for the mergers wasn't really planned out, was it? Hah!

P.S. Remember, behind every avatar is a real person . . . many real people on these forms feel screwed over.

P.S.S. Stace, you are doing a great job, don't take anyone personal and just keep on keeping on . . .

P.S.S.S. to the players that are hacked off . . . where were you when the forums rebelled about the bots three or four years ago and tons of forum accounts were banned? I know where you were, you were supporting the L2 staff in their methods of 'banning' bots . . . sorry, I'm supporting NCSoft this time on their continued screwing up of the game; least I loose this forum acct . . .

[Moxie]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie

[ArtbuntRector]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie

tw badgeS?

[Moxie]

tw badgeS?

Any updates regarding the TW badges will be updated in that thread.

-Moxie

[Archeon]

Any updates regarding the TW badges will be updated in that thread.

-Moxie

Congratulations on being the only member of the NCSoft staff with big enough balls to actually post anything over the last 2 days in regards to the outrage caused by said staff.

[Ardea]

Moxie, thank you very much for talking to us!

[kims]

please understand that the very clans you are trying to stop abusing the system are the ones that have the most adena and can stand to lose the most. To ensure clanhalls are not re-sold it would take monitering by Gm's ,as would dead clans holding onto clanhalls for years. In the past they have exchanged hands for alooot of cash, so the price set wont really deter those with big adena bank balances from bidding etc etc. It is fairer than auction though, but still needs rethinking on certain points. The loss of entry fee again hits the wrong targets the most.

[Ykara]

I still think that the prices are overated.. with that you only limit legit clans.. and even legit clans.. that had an A grade CH.. will be stuck with B-C grade Clan Halls.. because either:

a) They can't afford the "A" CH
b) They miss numbers/lvl
c) Can't risk 1.75b and not getting a CH.

Au contraire.. a non legit clan.. can move Alts to a lvl8/9 clan(they all have 2-3 alt clans).. bid on that CH.. the loss of 1.75b won't even make a dent in that clan's pocket... and it's even worth the risk... if they lose it.. the Clan leader will laugh at the "huge" amount of money he lost.

1.75b.. is.. on tops.. 200USD... a CH can go up to 10k euro.. like the one that was being sold on Teon's Goddard... so.. risking 200.. to win 9.8k.. I wouldn't mind.. would you?

With this being said..for my lvl 8 clan to apply for a CH.. I need to sell.. Set, 1 jewel, 2 Weapons.. and that is if I'm lucky to sell them at market prices... to get a C grade CH... since it's the only one I could afford.. even if I sold everything I have. Injection from members? We're talking about legit people.. not all can provide 100kk all of a sudden... and if I lose the bidding.. I won't have money to buy my gear back.. IOW.. it would be better if I quit, no?

Like all "fair" solutions from NCSoft.. it is only fair to leg0ts.

[Kruken]

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.
This is great except for the fact that the rules you have come up with means we no long qualify for the same lvl clan hall we have had for the past 4 years. It makes no sense to me given you are taking into account clan activity.

[Smittie]

I still think that the prices are overated.. with that you only limit legit clans.. and even legit clans.. that had an A grade CH.. will be stuck with B-C grade Clan Halls.. because either:

a) They can't afford the "A" CH
b) They miss numbers/lvl
c) Can't risk 1.75b and not getting a CH.

Au contraire.. a non legit clan.. can move Alts to a lvl8/9 clan(they all have 2-3 alt clans).. bid on that CH.. the loss of 1.75b won't even make a dent in that clan's pocket... and it's even worth the risk... if they lose it.. the Clan leader will laugh at the "huge" amount of money he lost.

1.75b.. is.. on tops.. 200USD... a CH can go up to 10k euro.. like the one that was being sold on Teon's Goddard... so.. risking 200.. to win 9.8k.. I wouldn't mind.. would you?

With this being said..for my lvl 8 clan to apply for a CH.. I need to sell.. Set, 1 jewel, 2 Weapons.. and that is if I'm lucky to sell them at market prices... to get a C grade CH... since it's the only one I could afford.. even if I sold everything I have. Injection from members? We're talking about legit people.. not all can provide 100kk all of a sudden... and if I lose the bidding.. I won't have money to buy my gear back.. IOW.. it would be better if I quit, no?

Like all "fair" solutions from NCSoft.. it is only fair to leg0ts.

I'd say clan hall is not for you this time around.

Dont feel sad though, my clan wont be trying to get one either.

The competitive clans, that are supposed to get clan halls, will more than likely be able to get some, as it should be.

Smaller clans and non-competitive clans dont really need one.

[Ykara]

I was talking about this with a friend on MSN..

A better solution would be:

- Take the 3(EU) or 5(US) clans that previously owned the CH.. the one with highest activity and CL isn't banned, gets the CH.. pay the fee according to what NCSoft returned prior to merge.

- Clans with EULA violators.. and more banned toons in their ranks, get moved to the bottom of the list, everytime they enter a direct competition with the clans that previously owned the CH. The more violators.. the deeper in the list they go.

- Clans that have their ranks clean, get on top of the list.. having owned.. or not a CH. Paying a Symbolic fee.. lets say.. 75% of the money owned by clan and 50% of the money owned by the CL.

Among other options that could be thought.. to AT LEAST ONCE.. NCSoft help the people that actually try playing this game, like it was supposed to.

[SlyCutter]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie

Moxie

I am glad you replied. You been around L2 the longest so you might have some idea more how things work.

1. Money is not an issue for illegit clans. You could made it 10 billion and they would laugh at it, some of the botters sell adena to the adena sites I could give you at least 10 names of the top of my head from Dev. They never have less then 5 - 6 billion their personal toons think its not odd sometimes when someone pks a botter a tagged power clan toon shows up? lol

2. Power clans have level 9 - 10 - 11 alt clans cause some of them held 5 - 6 castles on each server so leveling up a clan was a breeze. So again not an issue for illegit toons.

3. Legit clans had no notice they needed level 9 to get their clan hall back (my clan is almost level 9 but coming up with 10k rep in a week LOL) merging other clans into my, do i credit for the clan halls they owned too?

4. Clan hall bids haven been capped at 2 billion to change without little notice for a legit clan is unfair and is too much to risk. You know how long it takes for legit people to come up with the 1.75 billion we would be losing?

5. To be honest if you just monitored the clan hall bids making sure no level 3 - 5 1 - 10 person clans bid on them then I would of actually been fine. Or just allow current clan hall owners to bid on the clan halls first then open it up to everyone the next week for all clans hall not bought.

I would of took my chances against former clan hall owners since some are banned some quit and were just being held by money in the warehouse. I would of took my chances with that system it would of been fair.

How is it fair for a clan that never owned a clan hall to be allowed to get one over someone who held one for 4 years just cause they have 5 billion adena and we don't?

Thanks

[Kruken]

I'd say clan hall is not for you this time around.

Dont feel sad though, my clan wont be trying to get one either.

The competitive clans, that are supposed to get clan halls, will more than likely be able to get some, as it should be.

Smaller clans and non-competitive clans dont really need one. That makes no sense really, the competitive clans will have the castles, forts and anything else that you have to compete for. The only thing the rest of us had was the clan halls. Now thats gone, whats next? The economy is totally screwed up right now on the NA server, so even trying to make a few billion in 5 days is out of the question. The people that have the Adena to by stuff wont be spending it on the stuff most of us have. Besides they will hold onto their Adena until after the clan halls are handed out. Really it's pretty much a no win situation now. If you don't already have the Adena you need or close to it you are out. If your not the lvl you need to be to get what you previously had your out.

I think I can speak for the rest of my clan, when I say it feels like the last 4 years have been a waste of time. You try to catch up but every time you turn around NcSoft does something to make you fall further behind. We have an active clan with allot of players but most of us only play when we can because we have full time jobs and families. So it feels like NcSoft is saying "If you can't devote all your spare time to L2 then you don't matter". Whether thats true or false thats what it feels like. It's just disappointing how this all played out.

[Moxie]

The prize breakdown is as follows:
21 winners per server will receive:
One (1) A-grade Clan Hall (No Retail Value)
13 winners per server will receive:
One (1)B-grade Clan Hall (No Retail Value)
3 winners per server will receive:
One (1) C-grade Clan Hall (No Retail Value)

21+13+3= 37

If i'm not mistaken there are 38 auctionable clanhalls... You planning on keeping one for the GM's? Will they finally become more active?


You are not mistaken and this is intentional. More information about that clan hall will be released in the coming days.

-Moxie

[SlyCutter]

I was talking about this with a friend on MSN..

A better solution would be:

- Take the 3(EU) or 5(US) clans that previously owned the CH.. the one with highest activity and CL isn't banned, gets the CH.. pay the fee according to what NCSoft returned prior to merge.

- Clans with EULA violators.. and more banned toons in their ranks, get moved to the bottom of the list, everytime they enter a direct competition with the clans that previously owned the CH. The more violators.. the deeper in the list they go.

- Clans that have their ranks clean, get on top of the list.. having owned.. or not a CH. Paying a Symbolic fee.. lets say.. 75% of the money owned by clan and 50% of the money owned by the CL.

Among other options that could be thought.. to AT LEAST ONCE.. NCSoft help the people that actually try playing this game, like it was supposed to.

I wish this was solution prior to merge owners of Traban clan hall were

Wretchedoutkasts (Dev) Level 8 - 125 members~
TerraExuro (Bartz) Level 9 - 102 members~
Bluewolves (Aria) Level 9 - 10 members
Mystics (Sayha) level 7 - 124 members~
Inquisition (Phoenix) level 3 - 2 members

So it would be a 3 clan race coming down between clan level and members. I would be more comfortable with that then this muck up lol

[Ardea]

Since Moxie is here. Can I ask one question:
for clan level 9 we need 80 members. Members is people, accounts or characters?
I'd say accounts at least, because 80 characters can be done by 12 people only.
Am I right?
We should know this in order to see if we should bother finding money and applying :)

[Xentheous]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie

Considering my clan has over 125 members, and is unable to even get the adena together to purchase the CH we have owned for close to 3 years i think your logic is flawed. Even if we were able to get together the 5b adena we wouldnt risk the 1.75b adena for a CHANCE! Honestly the people who made this decision have screwed several clans, I hope you take time to see where the adena people use for this came from so as to discourage the Adena buyers that im sure people are going to do just so they can compete with this....

Normally atleast i get dinner before getting something like this....

[Mochalita]

SACE or anyone... what if a lvl 11 clan doesnt want a A grade hall? Can a lvl 11 clan bid on and be eligible for a c grade hall or are they limited to a B grade/A grade hall bid?

[elpysummoner]

Considering my clan has over 125 members, and is unable to even get the adena together to purchase the CH we have owned for close to 3 years i think your logic is flawed. Even if we were able to get together the 5b adena we wouldnt risk the 1.75b adena for a CHANCE! Honestly the people who made this decision have screwed several clans, I hope you take time to see where the adena people use for this came from so as to discourage the Adena buyers that im sure people are going to do just so they can compete with this....

Normally atleast i get dinner before getting something like this....

say you are moxie...what amount would you suggest to get rid of people that are exploiting this with their alt clans? you know big clans have always had alt clans that can hold castles other than their main clan. 5 b i think isnt even enough to put them out of exploiting

[Narcissus]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie

What i still do not understand, why we have to submit personal data like hometown adress and stuff like that, and you said on your posts that nc soft can use them for advertisements or announcements etc. What if a leader doesnt want his name , adress or any sensitive personal data like that to be published? Should his clan be without CH?...Also, does the time that the apply matters? if we need time till last moment to collect adena will we still have the same chances with other people? thx.

[Ykara]

say you are moxie...what amount would you suggest to get rid of people that are exploiting this with their alt clans? you know big clans have always had alt clans that can hold castles other than their main clan. 5 b i think isnt even enough to put them out of exploiting but at least it will be deterrent for more than 2 ch.

Easy.. full check on alt clans.. all bids from:
- People with same IP/toons and different clans.
- People using Proxy or VPN servers.
- People that got the adena from a player in a top clan.
- Etc..

[elpysummoner]

Easy.. full check on alt clans.. all bids from:
- People with same IP/toons and different clans.
- People using Proxy or VPN servers.
- People that got the adena from a player in a top clan.
- Etc..

read the requirement, just says you need that many members doesnt say they cant be alts. They are using the amount of adena as deterrent, because based on those requirements there is really no competition, i doubt there are many clans with 100 distinct characters. it would be like 1 clan getting the hall for cheap and everyone has no chance.

[Xentheous]

Easy.. full check on alt clans.. all bids from:
- People with same IP/toons and different clans.
- People using Proxy or VPN servers.
- People that got the adena from a player in a top clan.
- Etc..

Exactly. It could have been done without raising the adena limit or without risking players adena.

I see this as a simple way for them to take adena out of a server, they merged to many servers into. They may be at risk of flooding the market with adena and affecting the economy of the game; hey lets be honest if there gonna have their hand in the middle of politics of the server via the clan halls, why not put their hands on the economy too, honestly why not the castles at the same time.

[Ykara]

read the requirement, just says you need that many members doesnt say they cant be alts.

I'm talking about different clans.. but same people.. bidding on different CHs.. one to keep.. 1 to RMT.

[elpysummoner]

I'm talking about different clans.. but same people.. bidding on different CHs.. one to keep.. 1 to RMT.

i know what you meant, but if they havent violated the rules they are still in the competition.


i know what you meant, but if they havent violated the rules they are still in the competition

[MaoMao]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie

Much appreciated ! Your thoughts are mine too, I do understand there has to be a deterrent in losing part of the bid, BUT, you are firing two shots to kill the same bird, because:
1. You say ppl which are not selected based on your "secret" criteria (and I appreciate that "active" doesnt mean online leveling time) will not lose anything, and this selection will vet out the unworthy;
2. You use the trimming down of the amount as a deterent for uneligible ppl...

If you use 1, why do you need 2 also ? Speculators will be ineligible by the criteria you will evaluate clans on, if they will pass the evaluation, then should be no problem for them to lose a bit of adena as any serious clan should, therefore it is not really necessary.
Besides, the amount of adena in game is declining for a long time, reimbursing the CHs lost aleviates a bit this problem, but there are more and more "barter" trades and this means NPCs are too greedy and that most shotless hunters are gone, that is no more a way to make adena for RMT companies.
If you are using both methods to deter and cast out speculators, it means that the secret criteria are not good enough, and I am sure there can be good enough ones to stop speculators from getting in in the first place.
M

[Krissa]

Stop whining ppl, it's ridiculous. If you clan is made of alts, you DON'T QUALIFY for this CH distribution. It's simple.
My alt clan does qualify.

As to those who laughs at laws.
Under USA laws this CH distribution falls under lottery, so all lottery laws are applied.
Then it means that they are legally forbidden to run it in the US. It also means that they are legaly forbidden to run the White Tiger event, as well as the whole L2 in general.

[Ardea]

I hope less alt clans will qualify.

[Profeta]

Moxie, I would like to ask only one thing from you. If you read everything what we write to forum why don't you try solve a problem at same way as the players request from you? Every another company can do this...

I'm really interested about the name of the person who decide about these server merges, clan hall distributions etc. This person only work for destroy the Lineage II and destroy the NCWest!!!

Guys who play on Naia and example want get many for clan hall from KE farming/selling tell me, I can go help protecting this clan for free, with 84+ level vesper weapon buffers. I'm ready help for every legit clan!

[Ykara]

I say.. nobody applies for CHs.. and do normal bidding... or we just let NCWest keep their alt clans in the CHs..

[xKilandi]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie

You're trying to make fun of us right? The only problem is this: Your trys on getting resellers out of the distribution totally fails to hit their targets. By setrting up such payments about 50-70% of the clans on BOTH servers are out of the race for the clan halls BUT there are many single players that own enough money to go for the CHs.
Even if you evaluate the clans i dont think there are enough clans that can afford this ****. So in the end resellers will still be able to get some CHs dirty cheap and will resell them. Further good luck at ******* up the market even more lol. You know how much adena will disappear from the market because of this "system"? But go on if you wanna destroy the market even more gl.

[Ritual]

Enmity had 8b in the clan warehouse a year ago, then Dininx scammed it all and joined nova. Guess Enmity wont be getting a ch :(

[elpysummoner]

You're trying to make fun of us right? The only problem is this: Your trys on getting resellers out of the distribution totally fails to hit their targets. By setrting up such payments about 50-70% of the clans on BOTH servers are out of the race for the clan halls BUT there are many single players that own enough money to go for the CHs.
Even if you evaluate the clans i dont think there are enough clans that can afford this ****. So in the end resellers will still be able to get some CHs dirty cheap and will resell them. Further good luck at ******* up the market even more lol. You know how much adena will disappear from the market because of this "system"? But go on if you wanna destroy the market even more gl.

how can they resell them if no one can afford it in this contest? you should say they should take out the cheaters, cuz they wont resell them its just to get their kicks

[elpysummoner]

Moxie

I am glad you replied. You been around L2 the longest so you might have some idea more how things work.

1. Money is not an issue for illegit clans. You could made it 10 billion and they would laugh at it, some of the botters sell adena to the adena sites I could give you at least 10 names of the top of my head from Dev. They never have less then 5 - 6 billion their personal toons think its not odd sometimes when someone pks a botter a tagged power clan toon shows up? lol

2. Power clans have level 9 - 10 - 11 alt clans cause some of them held 5 - 6 castles on each server so leveling up a clan was a breeze. So again not an issue for illegit toons.

3. Legit clans had no notice they needed level 9 to get their clan hall back (my clan is almost level 9 but coming up with 10k rep in a week LOL) merging other clans into my, do i credit for the clan halls they owned too?

4. Clan hall bids haven been capped at 2 billion to change without little notice for a legit clan is unfair and is too much to risk. You know how long it takes for legit people to come up with the 1.75 billion we would be losing?

5. To be honest if you just monitored the clan hall bids making sure no level 3 - 5 1 - 10 person clans bid on them then I would of actually been fine. Or just allow current clan hall owners to bid on the clan halls first then open it up to everyone the next week for all clans hall not bought.

I would of took my chances against former clan hall owners since some are banned some quit and were just being held by money in the warehouse. I would of took my chances with that system it would of been fair.

How is it fair for a clan that never owned a clan hall to be allowed to get one over someone who held one for 4 years just cause they have 5 billion adena and we don't?

Thanks

i agree those people ruin the game but they dont do anything to them for years, try to report bots, its sad cuz they dont go after those peoples mains and they are doin this to cheat only

[Ritual]

Hi everyone,

First, Sace has not been able to respond to this thread, as she hopped a plane to attend the New York Meet and Greet this afternoon. She will be back to her normal duties as quickly as she can!

In the mean time, I'd like to address some of the concerns and feedback we have been reading. And yes, we are definitely reading everything and having discussions about some adjustments based on your feedback. We have some things that will need a little more discussion, but we hope to have some news for you soon.

Some of the things that I can address now are:

Previous clan hall ownership will be taken into consideration during the evaluation of a clan.

The loss of the partial entry fee is meant to discourage speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price. Additionally, the higher prices of the clan halls are meant to encourage only those who will keep the clan halls for long periods of time, rather than reselling them at a later date to make a profit. Please note, if you submit an entry for the clan hall distribution and you end up being ineligible for any reason, the entry fee will not be collected from you, therefore you would not be subject to any loss in regards to the fee.

We will not disclose exactly how we will perform the evaluation of each clan. However, I can tell you that each clan will be evaluated on the same criteria. The criteria that is used will help us determine how active a clan is. To clarify this, when we say “active” we are not referring to how long members have been logged into the game, so it isn't a matter of played game time. Again, in an effort to prevent any attempt at abusing this distribution, we will not disclose the criteria we are using to evaluate each clan.

If a clan leader is not located in an eligible country to participate in this distribution, a representative may be selected by that clan leader. Please see the second to last section of instructions (http://www.lineage2.com/archive/2010/09/clan_hall_distr.html) regarding this scenario.

If you owned a clan hall prior to September 29, 2010 and have not received reimbursement for the amount you originally paid for the clan hall, please submit a support ticket (http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsoft.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php?).

Lastly, we do welcome any feedback that is presented in a constructive manner. We've had many conversations throughout the day based on the constructive criticism we received today alone. I understand emotions are charged when posting and passion for a game you love is very strong. We ask that you please keep your posts full of that passion, but geared in a constructive manner.

Thank you!

-Moxie


Please take a moment of your time and check each clan warehouse right now for adena and estimate exactly how much adena there is combined between all the clans on the server in the categories you have broken them into. There is no way you can "Prevent" and I quote you on this "speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price". If you put an alarm system on your house, do you think it's going to stop a thief from breaking in? Stop stealing the peoples hard earned "adena", justifying it as being a way to prevent those who try to manipulate the system. I'm sorry, but If you guys were real GMs and you knew 2 cents about this game, you would know what it costs for a player to enjoy playing this game. Why don't we take a Lineage 2 101, shall we?

With your terrible Elementing system that korea has made, seeing as it only takes 10 successes to make 60 resist on one piece of armor. You're chance of success seems to be 33%, causing players to purchase three times the amount of stones. Because you guys took so long to release Freya, everyone on the server is trying to A: Craft new armor and Weapons AND B: Element new armor and Weapons.

So, Let's do a break down here:

10 Divine stone success for 60 dark resist. Success rate of 33%.
Each Divine stone(Average According to Chronos server) 2,200,000 adena. Let's do some math

Divine/Dark Stones = 2,200,000 x 30 = 66,000,000 adena.
Fire/Water Stones = 3,000,000 x 30 = 90,000,000 adena.
Wind/Earth Stones = 4,000,000 x 30 = 120,000,000 adena.

So, to element 1 piece of armor 3 times, we're looking at 276,000,000 adena.

5 parts of armor = 5 x 276,000,000 adena = 1,380,000,000 adena.

We have finished our armor set. Now, it's time to make our weapon. But wait... Did we discuss the stupid 60% craft chance that Korea has implimented in Armors and Weapons?

I can sit here all day and write up exactly how much materials cost to create an item and to double the cost of that item, because of the chance to fail the craft. Do you really think that people are going to give adena out of their pockets for a possibility that they won't get their adena back if they don't get a clan hall?

You make it seem like you're doing us a favor by charging us 5b adena for a clan hall. What kind of GMs do you think you are? You have access to everyones account, why don't you check the average adena. I bet you only 1% have more than 5b adena in the game.

Let's not forget, these are stones. I don't even want to get into the "Crystals". Remember supply and demand?

[NiceDwarf]

Considering my clan has over 125 members, and is unable to even get the adena together to purchase the CH

Each member cant even give a 40m only for a CH they want?
I think you dont deserve a CH.

[Retribution]

10 Divine stone success for 60 dark resist. Success rate of 33%.


33% is for crystals, not stones. So your whole "analysis" is now totally screwed. Try again ;)

[Ritual]

33% is for crystals, not stones. So your whole "analysis" is now totally screwed. Try again ;)

Go buy 30 stones and try to get 1 piece of armor to 60 resist. See how many stones you have left. I bet you'll have 5 stones left max.

I used 80 fire stones and got 3 parts of armor to 60

[Retribution]

Go buy 30 stones and try to get 1 piece of armor to 60 resist. See how many stones you have left. I bet you'll have 5 stones left max.

I used 80 fire stones and got 3 parts of armor to 60

I've elemented 5 weapons to 150 and 3 armor sets to 60 on each part (not too mention the endless **** I elemented on PTS). I'm quite certain about it being greater than 33% success rate overall. Go research it a bit and you'll come to find out that I'm correct about this.

[zlz]

Each member cant even give a 40m only for a CH they want?
I think you dont deserve a CH.

+1 for this.
don't have enough money = go for ch siege: dvc, fotd, hotsprings, bandits or partisans or wild beasts reserve. or mb go take a fort.
solo with lol archer I make 40-50kk in ~2-3hours ) so it's np.

[Varaya]

I've elemented 5 weapons to 150 and 3 armor sets to 60 on each part (not too mention the endless **** I elemented on PTS). I'm quite certain about it being greater than 33% success rate overall. Go research it a bit and you'll come to find out that I'm correct about this.

It's definitely 50%. Go element a weapon from 0 to 150 element, it will cost you around 50-60 stones, and 50% chance would mean 54 stones (1 stone to 20 element, 26 for the rest, 2*27=54). Done it often enough on live server+PTS.

[Retribution]

It's definitely 50%. Go element a weapon from 0 to 150 element, it will cost you around 50-60 stones, and 50% chance would mean 54 stones (1 stone to 20 element, 26 for the rest, 2*27=54). Done it often enough on live server+PTS.

Yea 50% sounds about right

[MaoMao]

Each member cant even give a 40m only for a CH they want?
I think you dont deserve a CH.

I dont think the meaning was 125 distinct ppl more like 125 chars.
However, we managed to get 4 bn in 4 months starting from almost nothing, but it was tough. A big and old clan should have no problem getting the 5 bn needed for an A grade CH. If they have that problem then they are not a clan but a collection of Pwnz0rz that spend a trillion for a char but cant find 100 mil for CH, i know those.
M

[xKilandi]

Please take a moment of your time and check each clan warehouse right now for adena and estimate exactly how much adena there is combined between all the clans on the server in the categories you have broken them into. There is no way you can "Prevent" and I quote you on this "speculators who would try to win multiple clan halls in order to resell them for a higher price". If you put an alarm system on your house, do you think it's going to stop a thief from breaking in? Stop stealing the peoples hard earned "adena", justifying it as being a way to prevent those who try to manipulate the system. I'm sorry, but If you guys were real GMs and you knew 2 cents about this game, you would know what it costs for a player to enjoy playing this game. Why don't we take a Lineage 2 101, shall we?

With your terrible Elementing system that korea has made, seeing as it only takes 10 successes to make 60 resist on one piece of armor. You're chance of success seems to be 33%, causing players to purchase three times the amount of stones. Because you guys took so long to release Freya, everyone on the server is trying to A: Craft new armor and Weapons AND B: Element new armor and Weapons.

So, Let's do a break down here:

10 Divine stone success for 60 dark resist. Success rate of 33%.
Each Divine stone(Average According to Chronos server) 2,200,000 adena. Let's do some math

Divine/Dark Stones = 2,200,000 x 30 = 66,000,000 adena.
Fire/Water Stones = 3,000,000 x 30 = 90,000,000 adena.
Wind/Earth Stones = 4,000,000 x 30 = 120,000,000 adena.

So, to element 1 piece of armor 3 times, we're looking at 276,000,000 adena.

5 parts of armor = 5 x 276,000,000 adena = 1,380,000,000 adena.

We have finished our armor set. Now, it's time to make our weapon. But wait... Did we discuss the stupid 60% craft chance that Korea has implimented in Armors and Weapons?

I can sit here all day and write up exactly how much materials cost to create an item and to double the cost of that item, because of the chance to fail the craft. Do you really think that people are going to give adena out of their pockets for a possibility that they won't get their adena back if they don't get a clan hall?

You make it seem like you're doing us a favor by charging us 5b adena for a clan hall. What kind of GMs do you think you are? You have access to everyones account, why don't you check the average adena. I bet you only 1% have more than 5b adena in the game.

Let's not forget, these are stones. I don't even want to get into the "Crystals". Remember supply and demand?


QFT!

even if your success rate for the stones is wrong since it is 50% but even tho its just a difference of like 20-25% in the end.
SO it still costs an enormous amount of adena to get armor/weapon done. even if 60 is enough on armor it is NOT on weapon... everybody with a 150 weapon will agree with me that it's damage SUCKS balls in pvp and pve.

SO change the amount of adena needed for the system for clan hall distribution or even more player will quit and CASH out yes CASH out they will sell their stuff for sure and this will make even more ebuyers cuz things will get cheaper for them when many ppl will quit which eventually benefits the farmers and adena resellers even more... but maybe that is what NCsoft wants? Make money of farmers?

Seriously Mods/Devs/GMs etc why dont you guys STEP UP for once and grow some balls and become a little bit more like the Staff of blizzard for example which actually cares about their customers.

33% is for crystals, not stones. So your whole "analysis" is now totally screwed. Try again ;)

idiot its just, as i said, a change of like 20+-% which still shows us that the money needed for elementing is CRAZY

[sercatum]

I would say getting 5 bil for active clan shouldn't be big problem.
Let say 70+ ppl in clan (people!) should be something normal.
5000 kk /70 == 70 kk each member.
If we add that clan who want get CH anyway has to have some savings (1 bil?) that drop amount to reasonable fee less then 50 kk/clannie.

But problem is :
You can abuse that mechanism by filling up old dead clans by twinks.
Best example can be RussianMafia (ex Teon) clan who existed as power clan for 4 months 1 year ago, then merge into X.
I'm sure they now re-filled that clan by twinks and trying posses clan hall.
They do it just-in-case or just-for-money. And tbh I would do same if I would have such possibility when rules/criteria are like now.

Additionally not clear rules.
First it stated some pre- condition to participate in 'event'
Some of them are weird.
Like, bid can be done be not CL. Agian alt clans have advantage.
Then some hidden rules (I can understand in some way it) , then lottery...and not all clan hall under it ...

Huh?!

I'm happy that NC decide to not run that crazy contest WHO_FIRST_BID_ALL_CH_WIN_CASH !
But, I have feeling that still they have no clue what to do with those CH's.
I smell great improvisation where individual mails/notes/tickets win over any reasonable solution.

P.S. Especially in that case NC should be translated : NoClue

[MaoMao]

idiot its just, as i said, a change of like 20+-% which still shows us that the money needed for elementing is CRAZY

Unless you or your clan farms the stones (KE, TW, Oly, RBs, even epics but that is for bots only) I know legits that made 1 bn per week only from stones, but that ended now, exp places where they drop will be locked out by bots and soon hero enforcers, but in a few weeks (months at most) when most will quit he can be back in business.
M

[MaoMao]

I would say getting 5 bil for active clan shouldn't be big problem.
Let say 70+ ppl in clan (people!) should be something normal.
5000 kk /70 == 70 kk each member.
If we add that clan who want get CH anyway has to have some savings (1 bil?) that drop amount to reasonable fee less then 50 kk/clannie.

But problem is :
You can abuse that mechanism by filling up old dead clans by twinks.
Best example can be RussianMafia (ex Teon) clan who existed as power clan for 4 months 1 year ago, then merge into X.
I'm sure they now re-filled that clan by twinks and trying posses clan hall.
They do it just-in-case or just-for-money. And tbh I would do same if I would have such possibility when rules/criteria are like now.

Additionally not clear rules.
First it stated some pre- condition to participate in 'event'
Some of them are weird.
Like, bid can be done be not CL. Agian alt clans have advantage.
Then some hidden rules (I can understand in some way it) , then lottery...and not all clan hall under it ...

Huh?!

I'm happy that NC decide to not run that crazy contest WHO_FIRST_BID_ALL_CH_WIN_CASH !
But, I have feeling that still they have no clue what to do with those CH's.
I smell great improvisation where individual mails/notes/tickets win over any reasonable solution.

P.S. Especially in that case NC should be translated : NoClue

I agree there are some flaws, but I expected a lot worse. Knowing them this is a good solution, imagine they would have given all free to clans based on online exp time, PvP, wars, castle ownership time and the like. It could have been much worse, lets face it.
M
P.S. Unless the hidden criteria are just those i put here...

[atarth]

I would say getting 5 bil for active clan shouldn't be big problem.




Yet it is.

All oly farmers were spending money to make /buy rare moirai/vesper sets,mid s84 weapons and attribute them(clever freya system!),so used their cash and the other players simply try make some money for a new weapon or epic.The billionaires in this game are just a few and they even try to persuit clan members to contribute for clanhall.

[KJ_Castor]

are there even 21 clans on naia with 80+ (active) members?

will there any clan bid for a C grade hall at all? there are a million lvl 6-8 clans (filling up to meet member minimum requirement is a joke) but there are only 3 C grade halls. so everyone will bid for B grade hall cos chance is 4 times higher to get one. not mentioning the adena needed ofc the adena is out of argue for me anyway, i am totally fine with the costs, although i disagree on the loss if youre a non winner.

you have that mechanism to disencourage bot clans that want to get multiple halls for resale, but exactly those clans dont care a couple billion of loss if they get a second hall that can be sold for 10 billion (or even more) on inofficial open markets.

imagine X/itt (Naia, previously teon) not winning a hall, i bet they would even pay 60 billion for a hall afterwards if necessary.
and believe me all their members waste around 1 bil each per week in overenchanting, crafting etc. so it will be a joke for such clans holding adena a couple weeks to buy a ch for insane price. that will just mean to them that they must stay on +10 vesper wepons for a while instead of trying get a +11 one.

[sercatum]

Yet it is.

(...)The billionaires in this game are just a few and they even try to persuit clan members to contribute for clanhall.

But as I wrote.
Having active clan with 70 ppl (or even 60 ) not require being billionaire.
Ofc many people can contribute 'only 10 kk or 20 kk' but always in clan you have few addicted people who have 500-700 kk,
Healthy active clan should not have problem get 5 bil.
Problem is that that 5 bil can be not sufficient ...

I hardly can imagine that you don't have (as player who play 5+ years) 50-80 kk. Ofc I understand that if you are forced alone get 5 bil is practically impossible. Point is you as CL should have clan behind you. Clan measured by people not level, skills, CRP or twinks/alts. If you have only 5-10 ppl it is good clan for doing AoE exp or fighting for Fort. But if in your clan there is 40 more people and they don't want to share responsibility for clan ... %&^& them. They don't deserve CH.

[Retribution]

idiot its just, as i said, a change of like 20+-% which still shows us that the money needed for elementing is CRAZY

Yet, ~20% is still quite a large variable, so simmer down with the /fail flame. Yes, 5bn is a lot of money for a small group of players to come up with; however, it is not so hard for a large clan to gather. Most of these screams are coming from small clans that think they should be afforded a Goddard/Aden/Rune clan hall. I have news for you, if your clan can't raise 5bn adena then it doesn't really belong in the running for any of those top grade clan halls.

People seem to be missing something here: 8 servers merged down to 2. Somebody was going to lose a clan hall, there is just no way around it. If they had let the old process go through then the forums would be full of people QQing that some joke level clan is trying to sell a clan hall for 80 bil worth of in game gear. If you want a clan hall after this then find a large clan and join em or go siege for the others.