ok Wynn Question that probebly will get ppl to tell me im a moron:-D

[Vilse]

First off all my English SUCKS!!!!!!!!! so my typing isnt that good so you can complain about that to if you want:-D so back to what i wanted to say:

So Why The Bad word have they made so i have to run around with a bow and look like a archer if i wanted to play a yul archer gues what i hade made one:-)

so i lovde to lvl my sumoner running around meeleing next to my pet.
or nuke away that was fine to.

YES i know the Graphic bugg Reapers are caster and the do more dmg with skill with caster wepon but crappy dmg with auto atk that what i think.

yes alot of ppl will complain about my way of seeing it but i like the way to play with duals sword but if i do that i do like hell of a lot less dmg then i do with a Freaking bow and yust standing looking like a wanna be yul why not fix so.

if your using fast wepon the pet hit faster/crit a bit more
Using a slow 2 hander more dmg harder crits a bit slower atk speed
And with faster wepon make Cubics and stuff Activate more often then with slow wepon and give one or 2 more cubic for the summoner its still a summoner class:-D
yeah i know its a powerfull clas if you play it right no question about it and well mite be so if i play a bit more i get use to have the archer look but :-P
and so on cant be that hard to change but still now a lot of ppl thinking stop complaning and re roll.
its probb all rdy a Thread about this some where sorry if i posted it here.

Last thing love summoner class.......i just dont like the to runn around like a wannabe Robin Hood
Yes you can complain about my Thread but im yust trying to make more ppl love the game i know i cant be the only one that have the same ide about this or i hope so anyway

[Fenice]

Well your theories might be useful with the next L2 update - Glory Days, Weapon Mastery will give a penalty for Wynn Summoner for using bow/cross bow, its not a bad idea what you are saying, its just in the wrong timing

[Smittie]

Attack speed has not affected cubics for a few years now..

And dont worry about the bow, you dont need to use one.

[Dreikogx]

You may be required to use a bow in instances such as katria and such but if you want to melee for solo you are most certainly welcomed to do so. Summoners don't have any special weapon mastery that dictates them to use a specific weapon. It's just that bow is safer compared to others.

[MetalInvader]

Bows are used for their high P Atk. The cougars benefit from it. Combine it with Damage Up SA.

[Vilse]

hihi yeah i know the bow is the best way to go for dmg and yeah while solo i can use duals or what but i my dps with meele will i lose cinda much of pets dps and its the pet class tho and ppl will think im a moron.
and one more down side is if i meele i dont have heal that can heal mer or the pets that good.


And one thing that comes to my mind is this
The servitor's battle skills increase when you take damage. ... Can only be used when a servitor is present.

So why not let the summoner get a crappy mass pet heal or some sort of self heal.
like
Mark Of Void change leanght to like 10 second and some shorter reuse
heal for like 100more i dont know about that. Or a skill cubic that heals you and servitor and make it so you more you and your servitor you atk the more it activate dont have to be a really big heal only so it can make you survive a until you get a proper heal from a healer.

For when i read about it why shuldent a summoner be in the middel and wack a way at the Mobs

I mean the more dmg the summoner take the stronger the pet get so why stand in the back ground and look flashy with the bow:-P


Or one more Of my realy bad ide.


Why not do like this you summon your cougers and when you do you get the form of Assasin bla bla .
and get a few skills along with your pet you dps not as good as the other pure meele but still so that you can get a party.
Second you Summon the Reapers and Then you get the form of Dark Caster bla bla with same some caster skill same as couger your a caster but not as a pure caster.
and last The UGLY yeah UGLY not cute bears.
you summon them and you turn in to a Bug bear or some thing big fat and you got a assist tank yust incase.


yeah i know that many classes will say thats not fair but what i seen evry one is making summoner of all sort.


i only want to have more freedom in play style still love the Summoner even with the bow and bears:-D


Thanks for the replys


O and i dont want summoner to be OP yust a choice how to play.
this will never be reality but i can dream cant i :-D

[Tiferet1]

Originally Posted by Vilse

For when i read about it why shuldent a summoner be in the middel and wack a way at the Mobs

Because you don't have any significant melee DD capabilities.

At 90+ (I don't know the exact level) you get a Balance Heal for your summons, so yes, you'll have a mass heal.

[Vilse]

hihi yes i know we dont have that but thing is i wuld rather run around with sword and instead of standing with a bow looking like a yul archer :-D
and feel like i dont contribute to the grp.
mite be i play the wrong class i dont now but i like the summoner even my complaints :-)
my ideas mite not be the greates and i now ncsof never change it how we want.
but thing is why not make so you can have the choise of using sword or whatever then be locked to a bow.
sure i can run around with melee solo but ppl will think im crazy and tell me to go i seek for my brain dmg:-D

[Intentionally Pedantic]

Originally Posted by Vilse

First off all my English SUCKS!!!!!!!!! so my typing isnt that good so you can complain about that to if you want:-D so back to what i wanted to say:

So Why The Bad word have they made so i have to run around with a bow and look like a archer if i wanted to play a yul archer gues what i hade made one:-)

so i lovde to lvl my sumoner running around meeleing next to my pet.
or nuke away that was fine to.

YES i know the Graphic bugg Reapers are caster and the do more dmg with skill with caster wepon but crappy dmg with auto atk that what i think.

yes alot of ppl will complain about my way of seeing it but i like the way to play with duals sword but if i do that i do like hell of a lot less dmg then i do with a Freaking bow and yust standing looking like a wanna be yul why not fix so.

if your using fast wepon the pet hit faster/crit a bit more
Using a slow 2 hander more dmg harder crits a bit slower atk speed
And with faster wepon make Cubics and stuff Activate more often then with slow wepon and give one or 2 more cubic for the summoner its still a summoner class:-D
yeah i know its a powerfull clas if you play it right no question about it and well mite be so if i play a bit more i get use to have the archer look but :-P
and so on cant be that hard to change but still now a lot of ppl thinking stop complaning and re roll.
its probb all rdy a Thread about this some where sorry if i posted it here.

Last thing love summoner class.......i just dont like the to runn around like a wannabe Robin Hood
Yes you can complain about my Thread but im yust trying to make more ppl love the game i know i cant be the only one that have the same ide about this or i hope so anyway

Get transformation seal books... If you want to join summons melee style...

After that, you'll QQ like the rest of the wynn community that gets 1 nerf after another.

PS: You realy are something else... First time i see someone Begging for a nerf at his class... Lvl of stupidity "Over 9000"....

<3

[Intentionally Pedantic]

Originally Posted by Tiferet1

Because you don't have any significant melee DD capabilities.

100% Wrong... That is why Transformation sealbooks are for...

Mystic class + Light set + str dyes + transformation = Better Dps than most other classes when it comes to auto attacks...

The reason is... "Weapon mastery" passive skill... Fighter classes dont have mastery for all weapons... and for mystic it adds up perfectly w/ transformation...which gives fighter stats...

[Tiferet1]

Originally Posted by Intentionally Pedantic

100% Wrong... That is why Transformation sealbooks are for...

The master isn't a melee character. I was not talking about the pets.

[Vilse]

hihi no no i dont want to nerf summoner yust want more play choice.

yes i know i can change summon but for what isnt that skill like 10min once 1h or sure thats a cool thing but why not let the summoner keep the for untill canceld then:-P

my ideas mite be idiotic and so on but like a said if i wanted an archer i hade played archer:-)

well its fun to se ppl saying what they think.
but last thing i want is a nerf,and why wuld it be a nerf if you switch from bow to say dual sword? i know for the time the pets do a looot les dmg yes but that cant be to hard to change so you get more versetile play choice :-)

i mite be completly wrong in my way of thinking and i yust need to get use to the bow or try and lvl a new char to play:-D but i allways get back to summoner they are a loot of fun:-)

[Intentionally Pedantic]

Originally Posted by Tiferet1

The master isn't a melee character. I was not talking about the pets.

I wasnt talking about pets either... transformation makes mystics melee...
weapon mastery passive is OP... test it

[Tiferet1]

I, too, can use my transformation to become a melee character.

Still, this doesn't make me a good DD.

I still have to see a summoner delivering lots of damage using /autoattack on melee transform, otherwise I won't change my opinion.

[Smittie]

I have seen the mages use transforms in GC back before GOD.

I was never impressed.

A real melee dd will always outdamage that, so why not get a proper one instead of the one masquerading as one?

[Skelton]

Originally Posted by Tiferet1

I, too, can use my transformation to become a melee character.

Still, this doesn't make me a good DD.

I still have to see a summoner delivering lots of damage using /autoattack on melee transform, otherwise I won't change my opinion.

I guess you haven't pvped my summoner and I'm not really high, just 91. But does 22k patk with 800+ atk speed on me and 19k patk on my summons with 1400 atk speed cut it down for you? I've managed to kill healers lvl 93+ in 3-4 seconds, they can't even react on the dps i can cause.

These stats are with transform. Final Form actually, a 5 min transformation. Even tanks start running when i use it. But there is no escape. I get like 7k pdef and mdef. Me and healer only have killed 5-6 ppl many times, with healer, over and over without dying once. (same lvl ofc)

And it's not only with the transformation that i can kill ppl.
Just saying, summoners can destroy most classes if played right.

[Yunalesca]

If you want to use duals go ahead.

Just because you use a bow, you're not an archer, many tanks have been using bow 40% of the time on 1vs1 matches for the past years, didnt made them archer, just gave them a bigger extent on their current potential, the same for summoners, you're not obliged to use a bow, you use a bow if you want too.

Also you are beyond selfish, Summoners have huge access to many weapons while most classes don't, except tyr. So be happy you already have plenty of acess to mellee+ ranged + mage weapons and robe and light and heavy armors as well. You need more?

[Nurul]

Hello,
Summoners should stay as they are, they add great dmg to party and can support them very well.
Im not a Summoner im a Tank btw.
But force ppl to use another weapon when they just added SA and element kinda suxx.

If you want to complain about anything why dont you start about 95+ Healers using heavy armor and dual swords and still got max cast speed lol
thats kinda more annoying than a summoner using bow.

Summoners always had a general weapon mastery, an in my opinion it should stay.