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Old 12-06-2017, 09:11 PM   #1
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Default Seed Bracelet and Zodiac Agathions

Hello,

Now that the final patch notes have been posted, you may have noticed some details regarding Seed Agathions and Zodiac Agathion Charms were absent.

The system as it stands tomorrow will be only partially available.

When visiting a Dimensional Merchant in towns, there is a new option for "I want to exchange for Zodiac Agathions"

This will allow you to purchase a 1-Slot Seed Bracelet for 500,000 Adena.

You will also find the Zodiac Agathion Charm Book of Growth used to enchant Zodiac Agathion Charms for sale for 20,000,000 Adena.

We do not suggest buying the Zodiac Agathion Charm Book of Growth currently as it has very limited use in the game with existing items at launch.

You will also see there are options to exchange Zodiac Agathions into Zodiac Agathion Charms, but it requires the 'Starlight Jar' item among other items.

Since this 'Starlight Jar' item has not been previously provided, exchanging these items at this time will not be possible easily.

There are only 2 existing Zodiac Agathion items provided through rare item auction that use this system available in the game right now.
- Agathion Virgo - Stage 9
- Agathion Taurus - Stage 9

This system will be expanded on later through events and promotions to provide more variety and grades of Agathions.

While it is possible to obtain Starlight Jars by crystallization of the above two Agathions, again we do not suggest doing this because the Starlight Jar will be provided in more abundance in the future and destroying a very valuable item for a crafting material would be ill-advised.

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Old 12-06-2017, 09:27 PM   #2
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Default Re: Seed Bracelet and Zodiac Agathions

there's quite some information missing with regards to the agathions, what will happen to the existing 1* (Faint) through 5* (Blessed) Zodiac agathions - be that perma or shadow versions ?

Please advise why we do NOT get the same update as Korea here ? NCWest has the same agathion system as Korea unlike, as I mentioned before on other Salvation related topics, the Japan/China/Taiwan/RU/EU Regions whom had a different agathion system then us..

please advise if we will get the Korean version where all existing zodiac agathions automatically gets updated to their corresponding new versions or if not when will this fix be implemented ?

just like in Korea most of these items where bought with NCoins so it's only logical to expect we will get the same treatment as they did in this particular case.

Korean Wiki & patch notes:
http://lineage2.plaync.com/board/upd...ticleId=626059
http://lineage2.power.plaync.com/wik...8B%9C%EC%98%A8
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:33 PM   #3
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Default Re: Seed Bracelet and Zodiac Agathions

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Please advise why we do NOT get the same update as Korea here ?
Explained pretty well.

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This system will be expanded on later through events and promotions to provide more variety and grades of Agathions.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:41 PM   #4
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Explained pretty well.
explained very badly you mean..

@Neutron, please explain why after Months of advanced warnings/highlighted concerns about the fact NCWests Agathions system is NOT like that of the other export Regions but a copy of Korea's how come this was not taken care off properly ? The correct update was done in Korea 7th December 2016 as per my provided link in the post above so it's not like the update logic wasn't available here..

hate to say it but this sounds like the Korean Dev team either has become very careless or not caring at all or just become for lack of better wording "lazy" ?

let's disprove that laziness and get the patch that the Korean player base received 1 year ago rolled out to NCWest as fast as possible ok ?
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:48 PM   #5
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Explained pretty well.
also for you Sir, why don't you actually read with google translate what the Korean links actually is about so you can give a more informed & constructive comment on this discussion.

pretty sure Neutron knows very well what I'm talking about here and the only reason for not giving us the same update as Korea is cause of l2store tactics and if so just give everyone who bought/spend NCoins on the existing Shadow Zodiac Agathions a refund of their NCoins as the new Agathion system will render them all useless unless we get the actual Korean Patch.

hope this was more clear & direct enough to get the message across.
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Old 12-06-2017, 09:50 PM   #6
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explained very badly you mean..

@Neutron, please explain why after Months of advanced warnings/highlighted concerns about the fact NCWests Agathions system is NOT like that of the other export Regions but a copy of Korea's how come this was not taken care off properly ? The correct update was done in Korea 7th December 2016 as per my provided link in the post above so it's not like the update logic wasn't available here..

hate to say it but this sounds like the Korean Dev team either has become very careless or not caring at all or just become for lack of better wording "lazy" ?

let's disprove that laziness and get the patch that the Korean player base received 1 year ago rolled out to NCWest as fast as possible ok ?
NCW has not really used much of the Zodiac Agathion system previously so those linked articles aren't really applicable to us as we haven't even offered most of those agathions on the server before.

The Faint / Blessed type Agathions remain as Agathions and aren't part of the current charms system

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Just want to reiterate the new exchange options added we received is more catered to JP and RU Fishing Agathion system as it stands at launch.
When we work on bringing more of the Agathion system in later we can make requests for exchanging old Bracelets as well so there's a choice to keep the item as it is or not.

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Old 12-06-2017, 09:57 PM   #7
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Default Re: Seed Bracelet and Zodiac Agathions

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NCW has not really used much of the Zodiac Agathion system previously so those linked articles aren't really applicable to us as we haven't even offered most of those agathions on the server before.

The Faint / Blessed type Agathions remain as Agathions and aren't part of the charms system.

~Thanks
Those zodiacs you claim not to have many on your own servers are & have been for a long while part of those Ultimate/Divine etc packs.. all paid for by NCoins so how about that ?

there are hundreds of those around on your servers so please do not say it's not applicable lmao..

the provided korean links clearly explain the process of the conversion of the existing perma & shadow versions of said zodiac agathions, it's right there for everyone to read so please don't try to brush this one off the table like that as that's insulting to your paying customers

you can not expect customers to pay first for their shadow zodiac agathion and then implement an update which will make them nearly useless only to then later on again through l2store introduce a "new" item to make them useful again aka making people pay twice for the same item..

come on man, why do you think I flagged this as a concern so many months ago.. this is just rude & disappointing behavior.
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also for you Sir, why don't you actually read with google translate what the Korean links actually is about so you can give a more informed & constructive comment on this discussion.
There is no reason to read any of the outside content. As with many previous issues NC West has shown that anything they do is based on what their accountants say and not what the comunty requests. So, love <3, you trying to babysit NC West staff is waiste of your time. I'm sure the NC West Staff is aware of the content implemented in other regions and choses to ignore it, as said, based on accountant feedback. They are obviously modifiying the fishing system to generate dollas and not player satisfaction. Otherwise Neutron would include the full fishing notes since he has been working on them for 2 weeks now and managed to put 10 lines of text on it into patch notes, since he has no idea yet on how to get cash out of cows.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:06 PM   #9
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Those zodiacs you claim not to have many on your own servers are & have been for a long while part of those Ultimate/Divine etc packs.. all paid for by NCoins so how about that ?

there are hundreds of those around on your servers so please do not say it's not applicable lmao..

the provided korean links clearly explain the process of the conversion of the existing perma & shadow versions of said zodiac agathions, it's right there for everyone to read so please don't try to brush this one off the table like that as that's insulting to your paying customers

you can not expect customers to pay first for their shadow zodiac agathion and then implement an update which will make them nearly useless only to then later on again through l2store introduce a "new" item to make them useful again aka making people pay twice for the same item..

come on man, why do you think I flagged this as a concern so many months ago.. this is just rude & disappointing behavior.
I think there's just a misunderstanding here, the system at launch is not fully operational. The new link at the Dimensional Merchant is only related to the Fishing Zodiac Agathions, which we aren't currently able to make much use of because those items we barely provided before. We will still talk with the Developement Team about the old item once we actually work on fleshing the system out more.

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please do check with them yes and ask why we can't have the same patch aka having all existing zodiac agathions converted to the proper new version.


for the lazy people here's the google translation of the relevant part that concerns us:

December 7 (Wed) Update Information Wed Dec 07 10:03:58 KST 2016 | Search

Dear customer, Lineage 2

I would like to thank the customers who love Lineage 2,
Wednesday, December 7 We will update the following information.

[Agathion]
1. Added new item 'Seed Bracelet'.
- The seed bracelet is applied in different steps depending on the number of effect / main / subslot activation.
- The existing Zodiac Agathion bracelet will be changed to a new seed bracelet in stages.
- The existing Zodiac Agathion bracelets registered in inventory, mailboxes, and sales representatives will be changed to seed bracelets and paid to your personal warehouse. For more details, please check the advance notice.

item effect slot
Less seeded bracelet (the existing one step bracelet) Same as existing Activate 1 main slot
Intermediate seed bracelet (original two-stage bracelet)
Advanced seed bracelet (three-stage bracelet original)
Supreme seed bracelet (four-stage bracelet original) Fire / Water / Earth / Wind / Darkness / Divinity
Adds a 30% increase in Attribute Defense
High-grade seed bracelet (five-stage bracelet original) Added 5% bonus experience bonus Activate one main / subslot
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please do check with them yes and ask why we can't have the same patch aka having all existing zodiac agathions converted to the proper new version.


for the lazy people here's the google translation of the relevant part that concerns us:

December 7 (Wed) Update Information Wed Dec 07 10:03:58 KST 2016 | Search

Dear customer, Lineage 2

I would like to thank the customers who love Lineage 2,
Wednesday, December 7 We will update the following information.

[Agathion]
1. Added new item 'Seed Bracelet'.
- The seed bracelet is applied in different steps depending on the number of effect / main / subslot activation.
- The existing Zodiac Agathion bracelet will be changed to a new seed bracelet in stages.
- The existing Zodiac Agathion bracelets registered in inventory, mailboxes, and sales representatives will be changed to seed bracelets and paid to your personal warehouse. For more details, please check the advance notice.

item effect slot
Less seeded bracelet (the existing one step bracelet) Same as existing Activate 1 main slot
Intermediate seed bracelet (original two-stage bracelet)
Advanced seed bracelet (three-stage bracelet original)
Supreme seed bracelet (four-stage bracelet original) Fire / Water / Earth / Wind / Darkness / Divinity
Adds a 30% increase in Attribute Defense
High-grade seed bracelet (five-stage bracelet original) Added 5% bonus experience bonus Activate one main / subslot
There is no % increase in attribute attack and defense, just increases to +30 (on a 4 star) and +50 on a 5 start bracelet if memory serves me right. Plus adds +1 cha +1 luc and exp bonuses on a 5 star.

Furthermore, each bracelet is split into 3 sub categories for bonuses: Leather/Heavy and Cloth. Each subtype gives a basic stat such as fixed dmg resistance % and special bonus to each type (bonuses depend on the OE of your armor set)
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Now that the final patch notes have been posted, you may have noticed some details regarding Seed Agathions and Zodiac Agathion Charms were absent.

This system will be expanded on later through events and promotions to provide more variety and grades of Agathions.
WTF Neutron!!!

First you take away our free Clan Cloaks, now you take away the free new Agathion System, that actually was what was most exciting about the new update?!
It would helped you a lot to calm the Fancy-Rods-Fraud outcries when fishing again would have gotten some sense.

I remember very well when you said you'll look into ways to increase drops for the community. But as it stands, you're the dude that hammers the most nerfs to drops ever.
And don't start again with "I'm just communicating what Korea decides". Step up for us, we are your community, and do something for us, give us something!
Most ppl dont mind the L2Store "events", but to balance them bring also something that is really FREE TO PLAY.

I love this game but you're on the best way to run it all into ruin.

GZ on another super Fail, big disappointment
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I think there's just a misunderstanding here, the system at launch is not fully operational. The new link at the Dimensional Merchant is only related to the Fishing Zodiac Agathions, which we aren't currently able to make much use of because those items we barely provided before. We will still talk with the Developement Team about the old item once we actually work on fleshing the system out more.

~Thanks
I am sorry to be bit sarcastic here, but you can already confirm that you are trying to find out the way how to put these items into L2store instead of giving the opportunity to players to get them by ingame means.

Also the whole fishing part is hidden behind the cloak at this moment, only note in the patchnotes is the changed elcyum values. Are you so afraid that people gonna start buying the fishing rods again?
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