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Old 08-09-2013, 05:41 PM   #1
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Default Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

~Request by xHaseo & Vincent~
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Testing:
Single dagger (vesper/skull edge/amaranthine shaper) + SA (even with some enchant , +4/+7)
Question:
Rumors says that a vesper/top S84 weapon + SA gives a 20% PvP bonus , is that true?
Reason:
Will i deal higher damages with a S84 SA or with a SA R99 weapon in PvP?
For damage test :
Take a Vesper shaper +4 & +7 , critical damage SA , in PvP , Bloodstab & Reverse damages
Take a Skull Edge +4 & +7, critical damage SA , in PvP , Bloodstab & Reverse damages
Take an Amaranthine Shaper +4 & +7, haste SA , in PvP , Bloodstab & Reverse
Character A: Othell Rogue Fortune Seeker Level 99
Character A Status: No Armor/Equipment with Soulshots and Heavenly Cocktail Buffs (lvl 2)
Character B: Othell Rogue Fortune Seeker Level 99
Character B Status: No Armor/Equipment
Skill: Blood Stab (lvl 8) [Debuffs removed after each attack]
Important: Do not ask for further information on this test such as blessed weapon damage, different weapons, or the setup.
Enchant Level 4 Results:
+4 Vesper Shaper – 49,341
+4 Vesper Shaper Critical Dmg – 54,605
+4 Vesper Shaper Critical Dmg {PVP} – 57,336
+4 Skull Edge – 49,507
+4 Skull Edge Critical Dmg – 55,066
+4 Skull Edge Critical Dmg {PVP} – 57,820
+4 Mamba Edge – 49,692
+4 Mamba Edge Critical Dmg – 55,261
+4 Mamba Edge Critical Dmg {PVP} – 58,024
+4 Requiem Shaper – 52,203
+4 Requiem Shaper Haste – 54,813
+4 Requiem Shaper Haste+Focus – 57,554
+4 Apocalypse Shaper - 52,798
+4 Apocalypse Shaper Haste – 55,438
+4 Apocalypse Shaper Haste+Focus – 58,210
+4 Specter Shaper – 53,480
+4 Specter Shaper Haste – 56,154
+4 Specter Shaper Haste+Focus – 58,962
+4 Amaranthine Shaper – 53,938
+4 Amaranthine Shaper Haste – 56,635
+4 Amaranthine Shaper Haste+Focus – 59,467
+4 Dark Amaranthine Shaper - 62,993
+4 Dark Amaranthine Shaper Haste – 66,143
+4 Dark Amaranthine Shaper Haste+Focus – 69,450

Enchant Level 7 Results:
+7 Vesper Shaper – 49,634
+7 Vesper Shaper Critical Dmg – 54,912
+7 Vesper Shaper Critical Dmg {PVP} – 57,658
+7 Skull Edge – 49,800
+7 Skull Edge Critical Dmg – 55,374
+7 Skull Edge Critical Dmg {PVP} – 58,142
+7 Mamba Edge – 49,985
+7 Mamba Edge Critical Dmg – 55,568
+7 Mamba Edge Critical Dmg {PVP} – 58,346
+7 Requiem Shaper – 52,612
+7 Requiem Shaper Haste – 55,243
+7 Requiem Shaper Haste+Focus – 58,005
+7 Apocalypse Shaper – 53,207
+7 Apocalypse Shaper Haste – 55,868
+7 Apocalypse Shaper Haste+Focus – 58,661
+7 Specter Shaper – 53,890
+7 Specter Shaper Haste – 56,584
+7 Specter Shaper Haste+Focus – 59,413
+7 Amaranthine Shaper – 54,348
+7 Amaranthine Shaper Haste – 57,065
+7 Amaranthine Shaper Haste+Focus – 59,919
+7 Dark Amaranthine Shaper - 63,700
+7 Dark Amaranthine Shaper Haste – 66,885
+7 Dark Amaranthine Shaper Haste+Focus – 70,229
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:49 PM   #2
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

Gz for the 101st juji lab test
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Old 08-10-2013, 03:38 PM   #3
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

JUJI-

ty for saving billions of adena being spent on 99 gear so all the newbies in game can take advantage of using gear from 3 years ago to kill the top players in game now who supported ncsoft
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Old 08-10-2013, 05:52 PM   #4
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

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ty for saving billions of adena being spent on 99 gear so all the newbies in game can take advantage of using gear from 3 years ago to kill the top players in game now who supported ncsoft
Failed attempts to rush can proove unwise, i am sure, however, all those players who did spend billions are not in any form harmed physically or mentally.

Hurray for new players.
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Old 08-11-2013, 06:52 AM   #5
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

People srsly asked for this test? rofl
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Old 08-11-2013, 04:03 PM   #6
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

Thx Juji =) Finally full information about it

Obs: I don't regret about the adena used in my r99 shaper (finishing dual sa right now finally). Hit more than the others daggers and soon I will be able to add pvp option
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Old 10-10-2013, 05:05 PM   #7
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

nice test Juji and ty! can u do the SAME test with dual daggers please?
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:29 PM   #8
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

You missed the "Bloody" Amaranthine part.....
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You missed the "Bloody" Amaranthine part.....
bloody is same as blessed amaranthine on npcs
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Old 10-23-2013, 06:22 PM   #10
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

How do you manage to keep the damage static?
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:11 PM   #11
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

some sort of dev tool...
i recall it being mentioned before as a variable being turned off.
i assume it's something that can't be achieved on standard client and servers. or maybe it can... and it's as simple as /damagevariable
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Old 10-25-2013, 03:18 PM   #12
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

can you do same lab test plz but with dual dagger
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

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Thx Juji =) Finally full information about it

Obs: I don't regret about the adena used in my r99 shaper (finishing dual sa right now finally). Hit more than the others daggers and soon I will be able to add pvp option
Congrats on your 2nd SA!

I, however, have no means for adding R99 Dark (OR augmentation - what's wrong with those prices, seriously) these days, so I'm just going to stick with my +4 Augmented Skull Edge {PvP}.

Thanks for the test Juji, now I know for sure that I'm doing this right AND saving CP money.
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

+4 Skull Edge Critical Dmg {PVP} – 57,820
+4 Mamba Edge Critical Dmg {PVP} – 58,024
+4 Apocalypse Shaper Haste+Focus – [58,210]

Where is the ***ing mystery here ?
I assume its just the debuff rate of top s80 weapons vs the double special ability of r grade and above.imo its a matter of choice
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Old 01-29-2014, 12:47 PM   #15
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

Can this test please be updated for Valiance? The damage mechanics for blow skills has been changed significantly it seems.
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Old 01-29-2014, 06:24 PM   #16
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

Why this test even exist?

From Lab Test 52: single dagger vs dualdagger:

+16 Blessed Amaranthine Shaper [Haste + Focus]
Heart Breaker (from behind) - 22,121 / 44,242 Critical Damage
Blood Stab (from behind) - 21,406 / 42,812 Critical Damage

+16 Blessed Amaranthine Dual Dagger [Damage Up + Focus]
Heart Breaker (from behind) - 22,724 / 45,449 Critical Damage
Blood Stab (from behind) - 21,997 / 43,995 Critical Damage

dualdaggers do more dmg.. i dont see reason why to have single one..
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Why this test even exist?

From Lab Test 52: single dagger vs dualdagger:

+16 Blessed Amaranthine Shaper [Haste + Focus]
Heart Breaker (from behind) - 22,121 / 44,242 Critical Damage
Blood Stab (from behind) - 21,406 / 42,812 Critical Damage

+16 Blessed Amaranthine Dual Dagger [Damage Up + Focus]
Heart Breaker (from behind) - 22,724 / 45,449 Critical Damage
Blood Stab (from behind) - 21,997 / 43,995 Critical Damage

dualdaggers do more dmg.. i dont see reason why to have single one..

+7 Amaranthine Shaper Haste+Focus – 59,919

lol dual daggers do more damage, you really sure about that ?
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lol dual daggers do more damage, you really sure about that ?

What u posted has nothing to do with what i said.. the tests are different
the test i posted was before valiance and the dualdaggers did more dmg. this test shows +7 for 59k but the dualdaggers are not tested here . i suggest juji do the test with dualdaggers here too, with valiance update and see the results
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What u posted has nothing to do with what i said.. the tests are different
the test i posted was before valiance and the dualdaggers did more dmg. this test shows +7 for 59k but the dualdaggers are not tested here . i suggest juji do the test with dualdaggers here too, with valiance update and see the results

I guess you are looking for some excuse to ur investiment in dual daggers:

https://4gameforum.com/showthread.php?t=15468
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Default Re: Lab Test 101 - Single Dagger Damage (S80/R/R95/R99)

should we assume that the same effects are for all weapons likes bows, cutters, magic weapons?
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