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Old 10-17-2017, 07:35 AM   #1
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Old 10-17-2017, 08:18 AM   #2
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Depends from tons of things.

I guess around level 99, maybe 100 the most and then you will surely lack the gear needed for instances 100+ and random people will never take you in party with them. But if you find some friends willing to help you if they have better gear to play with you in these 100+ instances maybe you can progress a little further, but without a proper gear you will be almost all the time one shotted so it won't be fun for you, same and for the people playing with you.
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Level:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can go all the way up to 105.

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depending on the time you put into the game, you can get end-game gear without spending $/Euro. But not fast. And only, if you enjoy playing the market and if you're good at that, or if you find any other source to make adena that will work for you. By "just playing" you won't get far, gearwise.
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depending on the time you put into the game, you can go all the way up to 105.

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depending on the time you put into the game, you can get end-game gear without spending $/Euro. But not fast. And only, if you enjoy playing the market and if you're good at that, or if you find any other source to make adena that will work for you. By "just playing" you won't get far, gearwise.
You say it's possible to get tops equipment without spending real money, did you get it?

As Lineage 2 presents itself today, I say it's impossible. For you to think about getting high level equipment you need at least to have a CP with seven active players.

Lineage 2 as it is structured today, you can not even get close to who spends real money. Previously it was only Armor / Weapon / Jewel Boss.

Now you have joiais de brooches, talismans, boss jewelery, covers, accessories, dyes forteíssimas. So the game is so unbalanced there are many items that make a very big difference and it is impossible to get them without investing real money.

You fight an olympiad today becomes funny, get a player high teams you take a damage that kills you 5x joining HP and CP.

If you can not do what you said you can do, your word is meaningless.
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Level:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can go all the way up to 105.

Gear:
depending on the time you put into the game, you can get end-game gear without spending $/Euro. But not fast. And only, if you enjoy playing the market and if you're good at that, or if you find any other source to make adena that will work for you. By "just playing" you won't get far, gearwise.
how can he play the market when the market is broken????

are u for sure that rtard?

just to give op a short answer:

__u can get level99 it would take u some months, no, u ll never have pvp gear, not even from picking drop from some doushbag pk. u ll struggle/fight a hard battle just to put the top dyes on ur main toon.
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far, to be honest it's all a matter of expectations.

What do you want to do?, participate in Oly and win hero? that's impossible. You will get lucky and win some rounds, (hint: some people sign in and go afk, they don't move at all as u hit them, some of them even go naked to make it faster), but that's as far as it goes.

Will you be doing instances and such? maybe some when your friends drag you along, but not many. You'll need to be happy with open field hunting at low lever zones. From 0 to 85 you don't need to put in any money at all, once you are awakened they you can get mentee gear which will take you up to 99, after that there will be no more for you in terms of gear unless you put in a long, long time.

The game is free to play, no one can say otherwise. But free to play does not equal free to win.
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You can probably install the game, and log in, but beyond that... maybe lvl 95 with 3 subclasses and some very mediocre gear. Anything over that your gonna need a lot of time to level without buying ncoin, and you'll never be geared without playing the ncoin/adena market.
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There are no limits for a good player. Everyone else is cheating by selling nciin or items that came from ncoin, those are the lamers.
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There are no limits for a good player. Everyone else is cheating by selling nciin or items that came from ncoin, those are the lamers.
Mixa its mmorpg . What one can do is directly depends on how much time he can afford to play in the game. One needs to decide how he wants to progress either he spend real money or he spends time playing game and farming top raids. I dont think this is cheating. Not everyone can afford to play 12 hours/day due to their real life jobs and responsibility.
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Mixa its mmorpg . What one can do is directly depends on how much time he can afford to play in the game. One needs to decide how he wants to progress either he spend real money or he spends time playing game and farming top raids. I dont think this is cheating. Not everyone can afford to play 12 hours/day due to their real life jobs and responsibility.
and theres more,

if it was like 10 years ago i would prolly run around with 10 toons and farming everything on game.

today i refuse to log 2 toons.

if op have 3 pcs or another way and the will to run a party, he can do pretty well, if not, he wont go anywhere.

if mixa is saying that someone with a full party is a good players, omg.... i better stay away from mixa roflmao.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:37 PM   #11
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I run with Tyrr/Iss combo 99% of the time, I guess that makes it full party.Also as long as you can log 6 chars and run that party, I see no problem, if all this is done on 2 PCs, no VM, no asiwin etc.

Said it many times before, i`ve spent total of 50-60 euro on l2, which I find quite normal for such an old game and I can make 20-25b per month easy.

Jacky has a point, but l2 has never been for those who have no time for gaming, its a hardcore grind korean mmo, its supposed to take time.

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Old 10-17-2017, 02:04 PM   #12
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Said it many times before, i`ve spent total of 50-60 euro on l2, which I find quite normal for such an old game and I can make 20-25b per month easy.
To the OP,

What Mixa isn't saying is that he has been playing for many years and has his investments and strategy's setup already. Even if he told you exactly how he did everything the way he does it and gives you advice unlimited, you could not reproduce his stated results without spending many years building up or heavily investing with USD.

To answer your question honestly, you can get to lvl 100. You can get R99 gear, and eventually you can get an R99 wep. Without loans or gifts or a bump RMT adena from your end, you wont get much else. Don't be fooled, this will take time and effort. From 0-98 is easy, 98-100 will take longer than 0-98. Around 99 or 100 you will feel your gear failing you. You will die very easily inside or raids and instances your level, and will wonder how others are so strong (its $$). The fact that it is mathematically possible to get a higher level without spending $$ undermines the probable chance that you will have quit and/or the game is shut down long before you hit 105 at that pace.

Here is a list of things you can't do, or otherwise would perform so poorly there would no enjoyment in the task, if you don't spend money.

Sieges - You will get one shot by anyone.
Olympiad - You will one shot by whales to frequently to have a shot.
CoC - Those whales mentioned above, can use pots and what not now, same story.
Open Field Raids - You can show up, but will get one shot if your lucky. Likely you will not see the boss, or will get there to watch a farmer drop it like clock work at a rate that you could not hope to match. So no drops for you there.
Farm Adena - NC west has taken the liberty to remove the ability to farm resource as a free player.
Play events - We (NCwest) have fully embraced a model where the events are played only in the NCstore. Reference the hungry horse IV survey for more details. Don't Worry, even if you do play you still lose so......
Shiny Shirts - Only available for cash, only once or twice a year. These things are OP as hell.
Broaches and the gems - Similar to the shiny shirt. Only available for cash, or an amount of adena that would require you to RMT some, so still for cash. OP as hell.
Cloaks - Same thing as broaches, this newly added abomination kicked off the recent wave of mass quitting a few months back.

To be fair, as a community we are pushing every single day for positive changes in L2 @ NCW. We always want to welcome returners and new comers. It would be very irresponsible of us to not warn you of the limitations of playing for free.

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Old 10-17-2017, 04:54 PM   #13
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Old 10-17-2017, 07:13 PM   #14
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Theres 5 types of players:

No money spent on the game: Usually, but not always, lower level, with "the best they could come up with" sets of low enchanted r-99 or worse gear, low/no + weapons.

Some money spent, but not much: Usually in low end gear, maybe +6-8 if theyre lucky. +6-10 weapon and *ok* jewels.

Spends a good amount of money: This is the majority of players. +8-10 set, usually +12 weapon and a full set of low end boss jewels. Possibly brooch jewels and/or a cloak. none of it usually very high.

Spends thousands of dollars: +12-16 weapons with good augments, all level 3+ brooch jewels, full talismans and runs rare acc packs or has good boss jewels. usually bloody/dark sets as well.

Whales: These are the people with multiple +16 weapons, high enchant cloaks, usually several high level brooch jewels (or all lvl 5/6 depending on how big a whale) Top boss jewels, everything top augmented. (think 30k+++++)

Most players you see on average have 2-4k into their toon, understand that you are up against that, and if you arent willing to do the same, you quite literally are never going to catch these people. They in turn will never get to the top end without triple/quadrupling that they have spent on their toon.
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:20 AM   #15
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In our days you cant progress much w/o spending real money.
Depending on what class you play you lvl up faster or you get stuck in a certain lvl range(100 lvl for example).

As a damage dealer its imposible(fresh start), the necesary amount of adena to make a dd competitive in pve is huge...70-80 bil for entry mid lvl dd and more then 500 bil adena for a entry top lvl dd.
For pvp you need like 2 000 bil to be competitive.

You can play ISS or Healer, they lvl up faster 100+ and the min equip is not that hard to get...and ofc, you will not be the "king of the jungle".

This and what ChuckSteak said
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:21 AM   #16
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i cant even imagine someone spending more than 1k into a video game and what u ppl say sounds unreal lol maybe here in bulgaria the avg money gains are really low compared to america (around 360 dollars is the minimal payment u can get here) and if u want to get payed 1,5k dollars u gotta be working in the
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Old 10-18-2017, 12:31 AM   #17
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Its not only the amount of money you spend....I dare to say its more important the time you spend playing in game.

Ps:If you are unhappy with salary just migrate to west :P
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how can he play the market when the market is broken????

are u for sure that rtard?
Yes I'm sure of that, and if you are to dumb to do it yourself don't go around and call others rtard
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Old 10-18-2017, 01:41 AM   #19
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first u need know if u have the 2 principal requeriments to play this game:
1) TIME
2) Money
if u think that u will get top gear w/o spending any US in few months/years u are wrong
as some1 already said, this game is a koran hard game, u will need A LOT OF TIME to get good stuff w/o money, is not hard, u just need friends + time and probably in 3-4 years u will have top gear (but probably in 4 years l2 will not exist :v)

- if u have normal time for game (play all hrs in wich u are not working/sleeping (7-8hrs per day)) and whit help of few money per month on Ncoins(30 us), with good trade/seller skills u will make probably x3-x4 that amount on adena, and u will have ur top gear fast,l2 is just a market

-if u have few time for game (3-4hrs) and dont want spend money, this game is not for u

all ppl QQ about this game cuz they want get full gear in 1-2 years w/o spnding money and time, but they dont know that around 80% of players who have end game gear, play this game since 2012, even older
but they dont have problem to open his wallet to buy a xbox one (400us) xbox one game (30 us per game), online services per month (multiplayer), good TV to play etc etc etc
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Yes, it is possible IF and Only IF you play Lineage2 Full Time and you are willing to play everyday for a long period of time for farming. The Big question is Can You? or more importantly, Do You Want To? If you are in your 20s and you got lots of time, by all means, you can try; but as for the most of us with a job and responsibilities, I don't think this is advice-able. If anyone wants to play 1 and only 1 character and wants to progress in the game, here is what I suggest.

PLAY HEALER.

If played correctly, a healer doesn't get hit, shouldn't get it in the most instance fights(with the exception of AOE attacks.)
A healer can do K95, K99 Kama, AF, Tavern, Altar, CC&Baylor without getting SINGLE HIT.

1. make a healer
2. make friends
3. Be the CP Maker and be a good healer&Party leader
4. this will allow you to progress in game, not fast but in time you will have gears.
5. Be prepared, by the way, for the worst case scenarios and expect them all the time. I once did Baylor with full Requiem + Immortal party with 97+ restriction and it took 50 minutes to do Baylor...Playing the healer is boring and you will need lots of patience and the understanding heart of a Buddah.
- not that there is something wrong with Requiem + Immortal gears but it is a problem when the entire DDs are made of entirely of them.

At 100+ areas, healers are in great shortage(same thing with tanks but tanks need some gears) cuz everybody wants to play DD.

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