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Old 11-20-2017, 12:59 PM   #101
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a mere apoc cutter 3sa not even a +4 one is enough which will cost roughly 5b including the 3rd sa...
So in your world, Gem R costs around 0 adena and then the Mystic Soul Crystal costs like 4.5b? Such stuff doesn't happen even in Chronos, just stop these pathetic lies.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:36 PM   #102
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If you can afford a pc with internet, you can afford 50 bucks a month


it also seems pretty obvious you don't know what occasional is, and 50 dollars is large amount of money? Wow, you really should of stayed in school, buddy.
Well yes if you have a pc and an internet connection (PCs do not arrive with "the internet" as some sort of bundle the internet is far to vast) then you can afford 50 bucks a month as your internet provider will charge around that. You must also have power and some form of a secured area like an apartment or house to use the computer in thus more funds required. You probably need to eat while using the computer and stuff too...

It's funny you go from 50 bucks a month to 50 bucks "occasionally" in the same post one sentence after the other. It's almost as if you're more focused on insulting people then actually making a point and in the process accidentally tripped over your attempt at a point.

50 bucks converted into adena without getting ripped off (good luck) in the process is chump change. You have to spend several hundred $$$ before you're able to buy anything resembling what is considered "decent" PVE gear. If you want to PVP decently then the costs go up higher. Draeke and others have confirmed this high cost earlier in this very thread.

Still doesn't change the fact that you are incredibly factually wrong about the average income in the USA.
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Old 11-21-2017, 04:13 AM   #103
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I can finally afford Baium Soul
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:20 AM   #104
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are you stupid?
how is 50 dollars a month not casual? There is a difference between casual and those who don't pay a single cent.
50 dollars for most people is less than half a days work.
yes, but casual in generally doesnt play every day so that means u most likely throw away ~25 dollar also cus u dont login every evening from moment ur home till u go to bed..

tho a casual in generally doesnt wanna catch up with people they just wanna have fun without spending a thing.
why do u need boss jewels if u just run around with **** u got and enjoy that?
why u need boss jewels if u know as casual ur 1 shotted in PvP anyway with or without jewels or even without armor ur still that 1 shot guy.

so what is the point exactly to pay 50 euro?
theres no point for casual to do so.
u better off buying normal AQ/baium or octa/istina rings if its for the dmg coc earrings for vamp/stun or istina old zaken or w/e and frint necklace / istina / octa for rest its far cheaper and permanent and has almost same effect PvE wise where casuals "focus" on..

then again PvE is so **** nowadays u cant work towards anything beside trying to gather money together for ur next 10k SSR u need
so even the above is hard to do.

ncsoft has just ***** this game so hard with their nerfs on everything that could possibly yield u some adena in game forcing u to either compete with top dogs to get adena off raidbosses which u cant compete with unless u buy tons of ******** with rl money first and in ncstore..

so w/e u wanna do in l2 in order to reach top ur gonna spend ur rl money and 50$ a month is not gonna bring u there unless ur already on top but before u got to top u blew alot more then 50$, unless ofcourse ur from 1 of these dead servers where u had free farm and u had ur fist deep enough ur leaders *** that he handed u all gear to few CP's while 80% of clan was undergeared but leader didnt care cus he could RMT all the top stuff for his own profit etc balabaaba

l2 is crap game since f2p came out ncsoft did pretty much everything to force u to use their store..


as for dots and comma's and other marks **** that .

l2 was/is a cool game still but not on ncwest neither innova.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:42 AM   #105
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Adena Prices Is A Fakin Joke! To Gear Up You Must Be A Millionaire Or An RMTer!
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:32 AM   #106
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only sell the adena in the L2Store and all happy
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:28 PM   #107
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Genius.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:48 PM   #108
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F2p was doing ok up until they did the ncoin card deal with the destruction scrolls, after that the game state started to decline with the sudden influx of red weapons. I think the economy at that point wasn't bad(naturally a lot of gear is going to drastically lose value when you go from s84 being top to r99), whatever happened there had to have happened after I quit(around Lindvior I think). From what I've been told it was a mixture of repeated nerfs to drop rates and then the fishing thing. Judging by the ridiculous prices on some items I'm going to say that the fishing thing was the biggest factor, which I sadly wasn't around for.

They've also added alot more "p2w" items to the l2store though than I remember, I think brooches had been announced right after I quit, and I wasn't around for the +10 armor sets to be a thing nor all of these +15 cloaks and all of this other nonsense. I definitely remember when they first posted about brooches and thought I was glad to not be around for that.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:06 AM   #109
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iam a casual player and burn have wright i get barly drops or adena rom mobs to save up to buy things all i earn from drops / adena i spend on upkeep my char whit soulshots and scrolls (rose marph etc) to be abel to do some instances economy in ncwest sucks
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:48 AM   #110
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Please consider this;

1. What determines the amount an item is worth?

Is it the NPC shop price?
Is it something you just made up?
Are you a lemming and just saw it for sale in AH for that much and as such, that's what its worth?
Or does it have something to do with supply and demand.

2. At what rate do the people who need these +10 sets acquire adena?

As burn said, the market is not in sync. Sellers and buyers are not on the same page with pricing.
As mixa said, how long would it take to earn 20b?
If the buyers can earn an ever diminishing amount of adena, trending towards "0" (don't worry its parabolic, you wont actually ever hit 0), how much can sellers charge at any given point in time? (the answer is less than previously, always)

Having 40 some odd toons is insane.

Pricing items based off of an old now outdated economic model is bad practice.

He doesn't articulate very well, but he is sort of on the mark here;



The FLOOR of the market is set by NPC price. When no one is left to buy stuff, or when adena drops are removed 100%, everything will be bought by NPCs.

Even the arbitrary price of 20b to make a +10 set is only dictated by the current cost of acquiring resources in the current economy.

You can't acquire many items through game play like before so only stimulation to economy comes from L2 store. Casual players can't run with that crowd. Nccoin price dictates a lot of this. A lot of people have lost a lot of adena because of deflation. There is no adena circulating like before. Before Casuals, rmt and L2 store goers played a part. Now it's only the players who can spend a few $ dollars. The less resources one can farm in game the less people that will be playing because their only choice could inevitably be the L2 store which probably about 50% of players can't afford to contribute. The only items selling are event items. The fishing change screwed up a lot of people also and there was no need for it imo. It was a stable way to operate for some time. One of few options also.
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