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Old 08-09-2017, 10:37 AM   #1
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It may or it may not help some of you, but I will at least try to provide some feedback on the event. If I overlooked some information my apologies and please advice so I can update.

We have a new L2 Store Event this time it's around the abundance talisman, reviewing the store events on the past 12 months, this is the first Abundance Talisman Event in that period which is nice. I will make some initial comments about it and add more as I play during the event.

This is based on Chronos information.

First: We get a nice +50% Exp. boost which is appreciated. XP boost should be the norm in all L2 store events, I did a quick check of the store promos in the past 12 months and only twice I found a 50% setting, (this being one of them), do mind I have not crossed them with non-store events, but if that's the case the vitality boost is on account of the event, not the store promo.

Second: Big Vitality Packs are a good deal. At current prices, both Erupting Vitality and Vitality Maintaining Potions are 160 NCoin on the L2 store, which means you'd need to spend 16,000 Ncoins to get 50 of each. The pack sells for 4000 Coin which means a 75% discount. The pack also adds 75 Hero Coins, considering u can get a rune stone for 50 Hero Coins, the 75 Coins would have a value of around 150 million adena (each rune stone = 100m and 75 hero coins = 1.5 rune stones = 150 million adena). Last time these packs were sold I picked up one, I have always thought I should have picked up a couple more, now it's the time to do so. Beware that the potions cannot be traded or sold, so once purchased you can only use within the account.

Third: The 7 day pack and the 30 day pack are really nice. The fact that the 30 day pack has included not only the 3 200% runes, but also a 30 day Rare Accessory pack make it all worth, and on top you get 75 Hero coins (with an estimated value of 150 million adena). Prices on the Rare Accessory Pack are sure to take a dive as there will be more of them in market. Unlike other methods of acquiring those packs, the rest of the items in this pack will be surely appreciated by many players. The price discount is similar to the one we get on the Vitality pack. Do mind that the runes cannot be traded and selling them can only be done through gifting which entails high risk on one of the parties in the transaction

Fourth: Recipes, Price for level 1 was last night @700m (AH); Lvl 2 was 360m; Lvl 3 & 4 were 200m. Current NCoin to Adena exchange rates are mostly 1:1. I expect these exchange rates to move upwards to 1.2 or even 1.3 to one depending on the event's impact on demand. Assuming a 1.2:1 Exchange a Lvl 1 Recipe would be 385m, lvl 2 and above will be 192. If the exchange is lower prices can be less than that. If you stocked up on recipes for the event, it was a bad investment, specially if you put your money on Lvl 1 recipes as prices will come down. An investment tip would be to stock up on a couple of level 1 recipes and hold on to them until prices climb a bit, these investments not always pay off, for example some jewel boxes are being sold below the prices they had during the Brooch event at the moment, so mind the risk.

Fifth: The main item is the abundance box, I got my hand on a couple of them yesterday to understand what "the you can get this "or" that" description on the event page meant, and as I feared is another 100% Korean random thing, they have this list of "great rewards" you could get, there are 30+ items which could be good enough for the price paid and within that list there are 8 or so really crappy items. Guess which you end up getting?, on my 3 attempts last night I ended up paying 1,500 NCoin for 10 Giant's energy, 1 Abundance talisman Physique and some Gemstone Grade R, all in all the acquired items are of a value close to 160 - 170m adena for which I paid 1.8b (using a 1:1.2 exchange). I don't get NC Soft's logic on these events, (or I do but it's pointless to repeat it), let me just say these random events would make sense if the rewards were of a least similar value to the expense, when you rip off player by making them overpay for crappy rewards you just piss us off and add to the general discontent already existing in the community. Let me give you all my advice: DO NOT BUY THE ABUNDANCE BOX, IT'S PURE CRAP. Of course there will be players that will come and say "the event is great I opened 3 boxes and got an Abundance level 4... come on that's just bait, don't bite please

I did craft and abundance talisman level 1 last night though, it came mostly from things I already had and only a few new things (among them the recipe), so all in all the event is done for me.

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Old 08-09-2017, 11:04 AM   #2
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you do know that all this says is that the l2store prices have been ridiculously overpriced for certain items all this time right ?

also like any good drug dealer they're just trying to get you hooked on and once the l2store promo is over and the 50% server boost is gone you will feel really bad when trying to XP without such boost - they count on many players not being able to handle going cold turkey
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you do know that all this says is that the l2store prices have been ridiculously overpriced for certain items all this time right ?

also like any good drug dealer they're just trying to get you hooked on and once the l2store promo is over and the 50% server boost is gone you will feel really bad when trying to XP without such boost - they count on many players not being able to handle going cold turkey
You're absolutely right, that's one of the main points, a good position towards the L2 store is to stock up during events and do minimal purchases the rest of the time. I refuse to stack up XP items, (using multiple runes, potions, scrolls, etc..), when hunting. I've set my limit to 2 or maximum 3 items depending on the effect when I decide to do it. I am fully aware that stacking up makes u XP much faster but paying hundred's of dollars for play time doesn't seem right.

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Old 08-09-2017, 01:55 PM   #4
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you do know that all this says is that the l2store prices have been ridiculously overpriced for certain items all this time right ?

also like any good drug dealer they're just trying to get you hooked on and once the l2store promo is over and the 50% server boost is gone you will feel really bad when trying to XP without such boost - they count on many players not being able to handle going cold turkey
If the customers were buying as they were, the prices were fine. Also keep in mind, this is NCWest(NA) and the prices are very much affordable for that region and some EU countries.

The problem is that NCw left they players to abuse the store to gain adena for ncoins or just "beat" the casino by just trying too many times.
#NCPleaseFix
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If the customers were buying as they were, the prices were fine. Also keep in mind, this is NCWest(NA) and the prices are very much affordable for that region and some EU countries.

The problem is that NCw left they players to abuse the store to gain adena for ncoins or just "beat" the casino by just trying too many times.
#NCPleaseFix
There have been multiple suggestions related to making items more "affordable" in order to gain additional revenue from increased sales volumes, we don't know and probably will never know, how is it that NC sets item prices on the L2Store, but being basic economics I wonder if they have ever forecasted or analyzed the impact of increased sales volume by reducing item prices in the bottom line revenue. I fear that if the financial aspects of the game as a poorly managed as the community, they have not and therefore they are missing out not only on additional revenue but on making the game more populated by having a healthier cost/benefit ratio for players.

Keep in mind I am not arguing if the items can be afforded, I'm just wondering if this could be improved for everyone's benefit. The current "Free Game Model" applied by many MMO's and multiple mobile apps is based heavily on the "Big Whales Theory", as long as this vision of how games should be managed operates we will not see any changes on how NC manages this game.

The problem you point at I don't see as a problem, the bigger problem is that not openly supporting L2 items for adena transactions between players, by having in game mechanism to make it transparent, (like for example replacing the gift option for a sale option in L2 store purchases or making all in store items available in game and vice-versa), there are "black areas" that allow RMT (Adena sellers) to continue to happen.
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There have been multiple suggestions related to making items more "affordable" in order to gain additional revenue from increased sales volumes, we don't know and probably will never know, how is it that NC sets item prices on the L2Store, but being basic economics I wonder if they have ever forecasted or analyzed the impact of increased sales volume by reducing item prices in the bottom line revenue. I fear that if the financial aspects of the game as a poorly managed as the community, they have not and therefore they are missing out not only on additional revenue but on making the game more populated by having a healthier cost/benefit ratio for players.

Keep in mind I am not arguing if the items can be afforded, I'm just wondering if this could be improved for everyone's benefit. The current "Free Game Model" applied by many MMO's and multiple mobile apps is based heavily on the "Big Whales Theory", as long as this vision of how games should be managed operates we will not see any changes on how NC manages this game.

The problem you point at I don't see as a problem, the bigger problem is that not openly supporting L2 items for adena transactions between players, by having in game mechanism to make it transparent, (like for example replacing the gift option for a sale option in L2 store purchases or making all in store items available in game and vice-versa), there are "black areas" that allow RMT (Adena sellers) to continue to happen.
Yes, but that's completely different thing really.
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Meh

I just wanna say one thing.

Draecke and golemka are the only dudes in here that don't need an urgent mental check.
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Thoughts crossed my mind when I checked the Abundance Talisman Store Promo today.

The reward table hasn't changed at all. Is it because NC has stopped caring for us? or is it something else? They could've easily made some fine adjustments to boost the popularity of The Abundance Talisman Promo, making it more appealing, but they haven't. So, what is it?

I am thinking NC is just busy counting money with their new launch of Lineage M(Mobile Lineage) in Korea, so all their focus is on the new game but I am guessing something else.

(Oh, by the way, Good Job Neutron! for having 50% exp server setting and huge discounts on 200% exp runes + vitality items. This is the best thing ever among all the other past exp events!)

Basically, it's a survey.

When the 2 weeks promotion period ends, NC will count how many Ncoins were spent for Abundance Talisman promo VS Exp Runes + Boost items.

If enough people are still buying for the Talisman = We have enough new comers + Returners = Next updates will be delayed.
If the majority of the Ncoins were spent for EXP stuff? that only means most people have enough stuff already = new updates will come soon.

Maybe I am right, or may I am wrong...We shall see...
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This event is definitely for XP bonus, pay 500 Ncoin for:
Elcyum x2
Giant's Energy x10
Elcyum Crystal x5
Tempest Stone
Gemstone (R-grade) x30
Fortune Pocket - Stage 5 x2 .............not worth it

And the possibility that you win a:

Sealed Talisman - Longing
Lindvior's Earring
Earth Wyrm Heart Ring
Sealed Talisman - Insanity

Have a probability of 0.0000000000000000000001%

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Thoughts crossed my mind when I checked the Abundance Talisman Store Promo today.

The reward table hasn't changed at all. Is it because NC has stopped caring for us? or is it something else? They could've easily made some fine adjustments to boost the popularity of The Abundance Talisman Promo, making it more appealing, but they haven't. So, what is it?

I am thinking NC is just busy counting money with their new launch of Lineage M(Mobile Lineage) in Korea, so all their focus is on the new game but I am guessing something else.

(Oh, by the way, Good Job Neutron! for having 50% exp server setting and huge discounts on 200% exp runes + vitality items. This is the best thing ever among all the other past exp events!)

Basically, it's a survey.

When the 2 weeks promotion period ends, NC will count how many Ncoins were spent for Abundance Talisman promo VS Exp Runes + Boost items.

If enough people are still buying for the Talisman = We have enough new comers + Returners = Next updates will be delayed.
If the majority of the Ncoins were spent for EXP stuff? that only means most people have enough stuff already = new updates will come soon.

Maybe I am right, or may I am wrong...We shall see...
Interesting theory, You might be up to something
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I updated the event description, for easy reference I underlined the new parts. I have been disappointed how past events lack information and references in some parts and wanted to do something about it. I hope it helps some of you to make better decisions, and if not at least it was entertaining to me.
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I was in a gambling mood today and decided to try my luck in this event. In general I am not lucky at all in any kind of gambling/events called here.

I bought 22 boxes for 10b. Here is what I got from them:

x1 Talisman - Lilith
x2 Codex Mastery Chapter 1
x1 Abundance Hunter
x1 Abundance Outlaw
x3 Abundance Morale
x3 Abundance Phisique
x2 Abundance Tactics
x1 Octavis Ring
x10 Elcyum Crystal
x30 Giants Energy
x1 lv 5 Legendary INT Dye INT +5 / WIT +1 / Water Res +25
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x30 Gem R
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I was in a gambling mood today and decided to try my luck in this event. In general I am not lucky at all in any kind of gambling/events called here.

I bought 22 boxes for 10b. Here is what I got from them:

x1 Talisman - Lilith
x2 Codex Mastery Chapter 1
x1 Abundance Hunter
x1 Abundance Outlaw
x3 Abundance Morale
x3 Abundance Phisique
x2 Abundance Tactics
x1 Octavis Ring
x10 Elcyum Crystal
x30 Giants Energy
x1 lv 5 Legendary INT Dye INT +5 / WIT +1 / Water Res +25
x2 Fortune Pocket Stage 5
x30 Gem R
Thats maybe 6b back in very long time ))
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Thats maybe 6b back in very long time ))
This.

To be honest you can call me the first dumba ss on NA servers. I have opened like 500 embryo reward chests only to get 10, number 10, xp hero scrolls. WTF NCWest give me 10 modify scrolls so i can sell em for 1 adena each. Hero xp scrolls aren't even tradable.
I won't never ever open 1 more box in here cuz i'm sure i'll get an xp hero scroll even if it isn't on the list.

Don't get me wrong I totally understand ppl like spoo that want to gambe, with moderation, and to traslate real money into adenas. But there's something wrong in the process. They are putting top end game items like the liv or the 7s with a korean random %

I mean if I go into a bar and I ask for a beer the barterder is supposed to give me a beer for 5 bucks. I don't know any bar that is selling boxes to their customers like hey do u want a beer well open 100 boxes for 5 bucks each and maybe you will have it with a % of 0,00000000000000001.

As someone already pointed out a very loooooooooooooong time ago "i'm wondering how the **** we are still in business" and "sheep still buying ncoins".
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This.

To be honest you can call me the first dumba ss on NA servers. I have opened like 500 embryo reward chests only to get 10, number 10, xp hero scrolls. WTF NCWest give me 10 modify scrolls so i can sell em for 1 adena each. Hero xp scrolls aren't even tradable.
I won't never ever open 1 more box in here cuz i'm sure i'll get an xp hero scroll even if it isn't on the list.

Don't get me wrong I totally understand ppl like spoo that want to gambe, with moderation, and to traslate real money into adenas. But there's something wrong in the process. They are putting top end game items like the liv or the 7s with a korean random %

I mean if I go into a bar and I ask for a beer the barterder is supposed to give me a beer for 5 bucks. I don't know any bar that is selling boxes to their customers like hey do u want a beer well open 100 boxes for 5 bucks each and maybe you will have it with a % of 0,00000000000000001.

As someone already pointed out a very loooooooooooooong time ago "i'm wondering how the **** we are still in business" and "sheep still buying ncoins".
You're are very silly....

Buy the Boost box and I'm sure you'll get what you've paid for. The promo sells boxes with chance. If you don't like how that works, don't buy them, no one forces you to, does it?
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Thats maybe 6b back in very long time ))
Actually it is at least the same that I have spent in the worst scenario. I think that I even can make a slight profit selling what I got.

Just the 2 codexes and Lilith are more than 6b...not sure how you calculate their prices

Still, event is not good for gambling I must say and you need to be very lucky to make profit...

And about very long time...eh I already got half of the money I spent so in a few days or a week I think to get most or all of the money back.

@Masha:

I did not paid any real money for these boxes, I only spent my adena in game to buy them from a player shop for 450kk each. This event is not good at all to buy boxes for real cash and sell them for adena or gamble for items, so I certainly will not bother do things like that
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You're are very silly....

Buy the Boost box and I'm sure you'll get what you've paid for. The promo sells boxes with chance. If you don't like how that works, don't buy them, no one forces you to, does it?
Hi Mixa. I don't know for sure how all the na lorreries work but I bought some powerball tickets when i went to NYC. Correct me if I am wrong but in a lottery someone is supposed to win 100% a big price at the end of the story and who organizes the lottery is supposed to take the rest. In here there's only one winner, ncwest, and reading all of your posts in a bulk you're writing as an employer not as a player. Who hasn't never ever complained about ncwest way of acting? Only one. Guess who is this guy.
Since there's only one winner with this boxes thing the only proper comment in here was made by Draecke. This has become a Casino.
I'm not a game designer nor part of a dev team but hey how the hell can it be so impossible to create an icon with the 7s energy or a dragon weapon frag and put them in the L2 store say for 8.000 ncoins????? Everyone will click those icons.
I don't want a korean random % I want the items, pixel items to be crystal clear.
This way ncwest is feedind the rmters only that. The more boxes they put in the l2store with the korean random % the more they are feeding the rmters.

As for the xp bonus no thanks. I bought some jewel boxes from players and I miss only the ele shirts and the cheer stamen [edit and flash grenades ;P].
After that I will be fine.
Don't want to waste the money I earn working for real of a 30 day **** pack. My point is if ncwest wants the money it has to sell pixel items not a korean random % of getting pixel items. From getting an item and to have a korean random % of getting that item there are like 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 universes in between.
As I have already said a ton of times the only event that deserves real money is the heine one.
Who wants to exp can exp and who wants to convert real money into adenas has the best ratio change ever. Who is so mad to convert 100 bucks in 8 billions while heine on he can have 25 billions?
The answer is someone who doesn't give the proper weight to the bucks someone else has earned and is in a hurry to grab a pixel item.


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I did not paid any real money for these boxes, I only spent my adena in game to buy them from a player shop for 450kk each. This event is not good at all to buy boxes for real cash and sell them for adena or gamble for items, so I certainly will not bother do things like that
I wasn't referring directly to you spoo. As I said someone has to click the l2store button to get those boxes and grab em for real money.
I do repeat myself, I totally understand when someone wants to gamble with moderation as you did. I hope you can get really fast some profit.

2nd edit. Just mumbling. I had enough of rmters honestly. Open field rbsses no way. 7s talisman 60 billions. Dark ele stones 10 billions. Enough.
Put in the l2store adena so no more rmters. They are the real plague, then we can move to scripters and to the carpet exping players.
NCWest may have real money for adenas and we can get rid of those parasites once and for all.
If NCWest wants to feed them it's ok for me. There are a ton of brand new games that cost less than 1 L2 store pack.
Honestly with the same amount of reeal money i'm putting on L2 I could buy 7 brand new games x month. You choose.

Have fun.

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I see... well, what I did was a very risky gamble cause all adena that I had was 15b and I decided to gamble with like 2/3 of it.

I am saving for a clean +10 set and pushed my luck to see if I can speed the process somehow. Failed like it was expected cause I am not one of the few lucky fellows around which can earn some adena through gambling

Honestly I am glad that I managed to get items which will cover what I spent and maybe even a very little profit if lucky

My advice to the people which like me wanna try their luck...you better do not try this(at home) Most likely you will loose your adena/real cash instead of earn something. And if you somehow manage to get adena from gambling in this or other event, congrats, you are really lucky person

I am also voting for adena in L2 Store where people can just buy it and not from RMTers which ruin other players game by locking down raids etc.

And I have a question about this event, Abundance. Now boxes are selling for 500 NC Coins each. Didn't they sold for like half or so in the same previous Abundance event? If yes, what caused this price to go like twice higher than before..? While the rewards are 1:1 without any even slight difference.
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You helped the community at least and you should be proud of it . I played this event and got lindvior with 32 .000 nc coins it was totally worth it . Play big win big . From a zaken player . Soon we come to chronos !
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You helped the community at least and you should be proud of it . I played this event and got lindvior with 32 .000 nc coins it was totally worth it . Play big win big . From a zaken player . Soon we come to chronos !
32k ncoin to get a lindvior, and then come to chronos to die in 20 secs in pvp.
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