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Old 11-01-2017, 09:05 PM   #1
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Default Enhanced Shadow Retri vs Bloody Retri+12 3SA

Hi guys!

As the title says, I am wondering how big is the gap between Enhanced Shadow Retributer and Bloody Retributer +12 3 SA for wynn summoner.
I would like some details, specially considering that Enhanced Shadow is half the price.

Just to make things cleared, I aim to do k99 duo at lvl 101 and paying half the price of the weapon would mean investing in everything else.

I got some of the basic gears to be able to do this run and now i am just wondering on the weapon.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:48 AM   #2
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Default Re: Enhanced Shadow Retri vs Bloody Retri+12 3SA

For the retributer, It is possible to Put fighter SAs, which might make a lot of difference (besides the pve dmg %, the basis p.attack of the weapon and the soulshot dmg increased per enchant).

Imo, it's possible to solo with both... the question should be "how fast?".

I guess u will be able to solo it under 30 min with the enhanced shadow depending on the rest of your gear.

The weapon itself is important, but every item counts at the end.
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Old 11-02-2017, 10:04 AM   #3
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Default Re: Enhanced Shadow Retri vs Bloody Retri+12 3SA

Thanks for the reply.

I am running the following setup, except the weapon which i am not totally sure on what to get.

Bloody Light Set +8
ruby lvl 3
Diamond lvl 3
Rare accessory Pack
Shiny Shirt +6
CoC PVE belt Attack
Longing
Abundance lvl 1
Exalted Tiara
Venir 8
+15 STR Dyes

The thing is: Considering all the status boost that the E.Shadow gives, does it gets close to make up for the -200 Patack, -5% PVE Dmg and - 8,4% Shoulshot damage that it has compared to the Bloody Retributer +12 (I am not considering the Bloody Retri SAs but it should be counted as well)
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Old 11-02-2017, 06:37 PM   #4
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Default Re: Enhanced Shadow Retri vs Bloody Retri+12 3SA

blody enhancement is not transfered in full to pets, so take it only if you play in transform and hit the mobs with your ton and not only pets

otherwise you can take a blessed +12 or some equivalent like +16 r or even r95 with will have more p. atack than a +12 blody

the adgantage of not using the shadow one is the SA wich give a lot of boost

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blody enhancement is not transfered in full to pets, so take it only if you play in transform and hit the mobs with your ton and not only pets

otherwise you can take a blessed +12 or some equivalent like +16 r or even r95 with will have more p. atack than a +12 blody

the adgantage of not using the shadow one is the SA wich give a lot of boost

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You mean the PVE dmg boost from bloody retributer does not pass to the pets? Even with share equipment?
And yes, I normally transform to increase pets P attack and hit the boss myself.
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:32 AM   #6
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You mean the PVE dmg boost from bloody retributer does not pass to the pets? Even with share equipment?
And yes, I normally transform to increase pets P attack and hit the boss myself.
Bloody weapon and armor bonuses (pve atk/def) are the only ones that get transferred through Share equip. Pve belt, SA or augments affect only summoner's dmg.

On topic i believe +12 pve retr 3sa (kain patk + tyrr sa) is in general better than shadow. If u can afford using paagrio's (+150 attr on pets) i guarantee it has much more dps.
Reasons:
1. much more patk (patk is 70% transferred so it's parameter no1)
2. +5% pve dmg on bloody is of great importance, considering it's an immediate boost on pets.
3. I cant yet confirm but soulshot dmg from +12 seems to affect pets dps.

The only shady point for shadow retr is whether the +75 extra attribute on pets (0.5x150) is enough to reach the element break point.

Edit1: consudering the price and the bonuses, shadow retr is cost efficient. Almost half the price of +12 bloody 3sa.
Edit2: Shadow is by far the best single weapon for wynn/feoh main /dual. Also decent for wynn /heal.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:57 AM   #7
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Bloody weapon and armor bonuses (pve atk/def) are the only ones that get transferred through Share equip.
Shadow weapons too.

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You mean the PVE dmg boost from bloody retributer does not pass to the pets? Even with share equipment?.
It does, couldn't find the source but from the Helios patch notes..:

Fixed the issue with the shadow weapon’s “PvE Damage Increase” effect not transferring to the servitor while using “Sharing Equipment” skill.

..we can infer that it would work for Bloody weapons too (otherwise there would be nothing to fix).

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