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Old 09-11-2006, 03:58 AM   #1
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Default Viscious Stance is still useless!

Why in the world do they continue to have viscious stance in the game when it does absolutley nothing for critical hits whatsoever. I mean I maxed it out at lvl 66 and its still a negligable if not completely non factor for hunting with. It doesnt actually do ANYTHING! In fact it seems to cut down my actual crit rate to nearly none when i do have it active. Could someone tell me why its still in game, or maybe why NC hasnt maybe corrected a useless skill and have it actually do something besides suck up Skill Points! Maybe have it actually add 1 point to the crit rate on your stats for each level you actual get. Now that would be helpful.
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Old 09-11-2006, 03:58 AM   #2
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Archer, right?

Vicious stance is a fixed-number increase - and consequently most noticable on PWs.

It also doesn't increase your critical rate, but rather critical power.
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Old 09-11-2006, 03:59 AM   #3
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Yeah im an Hawkeye, is that a significant thing to Viscious Stance? And Besides if its improving my critical power, out of the Hundreds of times i checked it the differance in the damage ive seen on mobs is only a few double digit differance for the few times my crits land. I crit three times more often when i have VS off then when its on.
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Old 09-11-2006, 04:06 AM   #4
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Sorry, edited it in late. A bad habit. And I'm doing it again! Hold on.

Vicious stance adds a fixed total "PAtk during critical hit" - for example level 20 adds ~600 PAtk. This is not affected by buffs or soulshots. Now as an example, let's take a plainswalker with 500 PAtk and no buffs - they don't have crit damage passives, so naturally when they toggle on vicious stance, when they crit it will be as if they had 800 PAtk - that's a pretty huge increase.

But if you take an archer, who might have already around 2k PAtk, then adding 600 doesn't seem so big. Those 600 also aren't affected by buffs, so if you have deathwhisper, it will make an even smaller difference by comparison. If you throw Dance of Fire and crit passives into the mix, Vicious Stance becomes "barely noticable".

In short - the worse your crits are naturally, the better you wind up actually being with vicious stance.
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Old 09-11-2006, 04:17 AM   #5
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In short - the worse your crits are naturally, the better you wind up actually being with vicious stance.

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well at least now i know why it works so well for my main! my only problem is that ive got so few mp to begin with that its a complete drain if i toggle on my vs. from what you say it seems that it is really only something youd want to use (perhaps on an emergency basis) if youre hunting/pvping unbuffed; is that truly the case?
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Old 09-11-2006, 04:39 AM   #6
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It's worthwhile on dagger stabs during PvP, no matter the buff status, from what I hear, but I don't have a high level character with VS. Some PWs I know like to just toggle it on and leave it until MP is drained during PvE, buffed or not.
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Why in the world do they continue to have viscious stance in the game when it does absolutley nothing for critical hits whatsoever. I mean I maxed it out at lvl 66 and its still a negligable if not completely non factor for hunting with. It doesnt actually do ANYTHING! In fact it seems to cut down my actual crit rate to nearly none when i do have it active. Could someone tell me why its still in game, or maybe why NC hasnt maybe corrected a useless skill and have it actually do something besides suck up Skill Points! Maybe have it actually add 1 point to the crit rate on your stats for each level you actual get. Now that would be helpful.

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no: I know for a fact he is right.

Seemily I used VS with my SE to get from 38-40 in 2 hours why cause I diched my dagger equiped my +8 top D duals, and slaped on VS with a BD that was using light and fire.
I hit so much harder with it.

But for all the times at higher lvls that I've played saggitarious I have notied that even tho my crt rate doesn't fall, it does have a farless chance to crt while it's on.

VS is worthless in PvE cause of the MP cost to use it, couple that with the use of MP from bow pulls and your drained in under 5 minutes.

it don't help archers out side of olympaid.. and hardly much at that.

It's most noticeable on daggers, not just PW, but TH to...when I played a TH I used VS all the time and stayed away from skills.

cause VS for a dagger uses less mp while skills burn away mp alot faster. yet while on 4X HP mobs your dmg out put is more over time with VS on then with out it and spaming skills.

IDK how it works on glads, cause they have VS in their skill list.. but I would think it's helpfull for them as well?
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