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Old 11-20-2013, 05:52 AM   #21
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Default Re: Lab Test 68 - Last Hit for Drops

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How do a healer's heals "contribute" to the fight? Is the amount of HP healed on allies counted 1:1 as if it was damage done to the mob?
Usually damage comes from just 3-4 damage dealers. Some classes like healer or even summoner made 0 dmg at all. But if they in party during RB death, they get same base xp, as DD, depending of comparison their levels to RB level.
The most interesting thing, looks like server grouping same levels during damage calculation. If thats true, EVERY raid boss has false info during years, and now, after Juji post, it's should be :
"If the person or persons with same level, who made more then 50% damage contribution is 3 or more levels higher than the raid monster, then the item/Adena rewards will decrease. If the difference is 9 or more levels, the monster will drop nothing at all."
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:46 AM   #23
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That or your chin just wobbled, making it seem like u did.
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1x Level 99 does 49% damage to mob
6x Level 85s do 51% damage to mob
Drops: Yes
yes thats the question point dmg are individual or group
10x for info
so same is for exp i gues . 99 will get 0 and 85 dmg% = exp%
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yes thats the question point dmg are individual or group
10x for info
so same is for exp i gues . 99 will get 0 and 85 dmg% = exp%
I went over the tests again to figure out if it's truly based on group damage or individual damage contributed. I found some errors in the recent tests (please disregard them). Loot is calculated by an individual's damage contribution.

Raid Boss: Freya
Level 99 - 25%
Level 95 -
25%
Level 85
- 50%
Drops: Yes

Raid Boss: Freya
Level 99 - 50%
Level 95 -
50%
Drops: No

Raid Boss: Freya
Level 99 -
100%
Drops: No

Raid Boss: Freya
Level 95 -
100%
Drops: No

Raid Boss: Freya
Level 85 -
100%
Drops: Yes

Raid Boss: Freya
Level 95 - 50%
Level 85 -
51%
Drops: Yes

Raid Boss: Freya
Level 99 - 30%
Level 95 -
30%
Level 85
- 40%
Drops: Yes
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So, Spud? Any animated gif now?

Again, learn to read english properly, and stop trolling every thread.




PS Juji, update these results at your 1st post, so people don't make wrong conclusions.
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Give him some time to waddle over here lol.

Dont expect answers right away
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Default Re: Lab Test 68 - Last Hit for Drops

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If this is true, the ingame tooltip is wrong, as the level 99 contributed most and is "9 or more" levels higher. There was never an indication anywhere that the game would group the contribution of players with different level ranges together, and then compare the range totals. No need to show childish glee towards people who trusted the tooltip and now see their belief contradicted.

Bonus question for pro raiders: How do a healer's heals "contribute" to the fight? Is the amount of HP healed on allies counted 1:1 as if it was damage done to the mob?
They don't. Its all based on dps done to boss and who did it. Healers have no say...

Actually I should test this out in Teredor with my 92 healer. BRB.
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1x Level 99 does 49% damage to mob
6x Level 85s do 51% damage to mob
Drops: Yes

1x Level 99 does 50% damage to mob
6x Level 85s do 50% damage to mob
Drops: No

1x Level 99 does 25% damage to mob
1x Level 95 does 23% damage to mob
1x Level 98 does 1% damage to mob
4x Level 85s do 51% damage to mob (10%, 20%, 15%, 6%)
Drops: Yes

1x Level 99 does 25% damage to mob
1x Level 98 does 24% damage to mob
1x Level 95 does 1% damage to mob
4x Level 85s do 50% damage to mob (10%, 20%, 15%, 5%)
Drops: No
1st one should be strikethrough too, no?
What difference between 1st and 3rd test?
Or some mega 85lvl from those 6 done 50.5% and other 5 - 0.1% each? Interesting.

Anyway, glad to see looting rights working as intended still, even in Valiance.
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Default Re: Lab Test 68 - Last Hit for Drops

i'm still right, tho.

as long as the player >3 levels over the boss doesnt do >49% damage then irrespective of who gets last hit there will be drops.

eat a bag of wieners.
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Old 11-26-2013, 06:26 PM   #31
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You stattered about lvl 99 player:
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none of that matters. juji proved conclusively, the player lv 99 must do LESS than 50% of damage to get any drops. if that player does >50% damage, there will be no drops IRRESPECTIVE of who gets last hit.

the party can consist of 6x85's and 1x99, as long as 99 does not do >50% damage, there will be drops and it will not matter who gets last hit.
So, why you talking about ">3 levels over the boss" now?
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i'm still right, tho.
as long as the player >3 levels over the boss doesnt do >49% damage then irrespective of who gets last hit there will be drops.
eat a bag of wieners.
You should play more Linege2 instead of hanging out at THIS forum.

Thank you Juji for all those tests, I feel myself senile old man in this thread, but now we all know: Spudnik is! XD

Btw, even in last "excuse" post, Spudnik is wrong, becase if "the player >3 levels over the boss" do, for example, 48% damage, most probably will be no drops, and forget about last hit, this stupid stereotype came from freeshards.
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Old 11-26-2013, 10:36 PM   #32
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Default Re: Lab Test 68 - Last Hit for Drops

what was the MAXIMUM amount of damage the lv 95 player could do in the test juji ran, to obtain drops? go ahead and check, i'll wait.

what was the ONLY stipulation in that condition?

eat a bag of big juicy floppy wieners.

you want to know why i modified my original statement form Lv 99 player to >3 lv player ? because juji re-ran the test and included a lv 95 player in the test, further disqualifying the lv 99. in principle, i was still right.
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what was the MAXIMUM amount of damage the lv 95 player could do in the test juji ran, to obtain drops? go ahead and check, i'll wait.

what was the ONLY stipulation in that condition?

eat a bag of big juicy floppy wieners.

you want to know why i modified my original statement form Lv 99 player to >3 lv player ? because juji re-ran the test and included a lv 95 player in the test, further disqualifying the lv 99. in principle, i was still right.
You talking about this one?
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Raid Boss: Freya
Level 95 - 50%
Level 85 -
51%
Drops: Yes
It's a synthetic test which will NEVER happend in real raiding. Because higher lvl char do much more dmg to dark blue mob, then 10lvl lower to white mob. Also, in real conditions, 3lvl higher then mob char can do more then 50% dmg, for example 55%, and will be drop still, with 100% probability. How? Try to answer here, to show us your "perfect" raiding skills
And btw, no difference between 99lvl and 95lvl in Freya's eyes.
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Default Re: Lab Test 68 - Last Hit for Drops

I think that the moral conclusion of this test regarding good drops is simple:

"When raiding, tank and healer should be as high level as possible, while DD's as close to the raid's level as possible."
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I think that the moral conclusion of this test regarding good drops is simple:

"When raiding, tank and healer should be as high level as possible, while DD's as close to the raid's level as possible."
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Old 04-04-2015, 01:55 AM   #37
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Default Re: Lab Test 68 - Last Hit for Drops

I have a question.
What about drop if DD 99 lvl will make damage and before RB die he go out, change class on dual class (lv 95 healer, for example) and come back?
Also if DD 99 made damage and before RB die he logged out?
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Bonus question for pro raiders: How do a healer's heals "contribute" to the fight? Is the amount of HP healed on allies counted 1:1 as if it was damage done to the mob?
It doesnt "contribute"to the fight
If u have one person in the party who made 0 dmg to the RB,for example - The healer,and u dismiss him from a party before raid boss die,he will get exacly 0% exp and res 6 people will split the xp , u can dismiss even the tank if he dont need xp




p.s. This is good if u want to use 99 lvls iss,healer and tank in a PT,lower lvl dds and go raiding for drop

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