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Old 08-11-2017, 12:46 PM   #1
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Does anything have a definitive answer if the tank is doomed or not with the "tank update" that Korea is testing/using atm?

If this answer is "yes" can you please give some brief examples...

Tanks are already being 3,4 shot by these people with endless wallets.. Im really hoping for some improvement's here..

Thank you in advance..
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:12 PM   #2
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Does anything have a definitive answer if the tank is doomed or not with the "tank update" that Korea is testing/using atm?

If this answer is "yes" can you please give some brief examples...

Tanks are already being 3,4 shot by these people with endless wallets.. Im really hoping for some improvement's here..

Thank you in advance..
In before Dreacke "doom and gloom" reply.

Based on my reading of patch notes and Korean forums it looks like most tanks are getting a boost as well as a circumstantial nerf.

Nerfs first...

Multiple Tanks can no longer chain UDs in PvP. UDs are getting an effect similar to healers Celest "debuff." The 1 minutes penalty which prevents chaining celest.

Addionally; HKs are getting a significant PvE nerf. However; the other tank classes should be stronger in PvE. Dreacke will post soon saying how bad this is but the reality is that the HK were/are too far ahead of every other tank when it comes to PvE. It isn't even close. With equal gear an HK can literally do 10x the damage of the next strongest PvE tank (SK). I'm not even going to compare them to PK/ET; just a joke. The counter argument which Draecke may put forth is that HK isn't as good as ET/PK/SK in PvP. While this is true it is also misleading. HK can still perform a tanks role in PvP and they certainly aren't twice as bad as an ET/PK/SK.

Moving on; the update really will be a diversification. All tanks are getting unique active/passive skills. It's hard to say how they will stack up in PvE/PvP but my take is that you will still need one in PvP and they will be better in PvE.
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:29 PM   #3
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I'm a 101 PK and i can tell you this.. There should be NO way... NOOO WAY.... a player should be able to 3,4 shot me. Its NUTS.. My gear is decent also..

I don't even care if i did 2 damage in pvp.. AS LONG as my defense reflects what i AM... A TANK...

Oh well, until then i'll have fun with it.. i guess.. lol
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:56 PM   #4
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I'm a 101 PK and i can tell you this.. There should be NO way... NOOO WAY.... a player should be able to 3,4 shot me. Its NUTS.. My gear is decent also..

I don't even care if i did 2 damage in pvp.. AS LONG as my defense reflects what i AM... A TANK...

Oh well, until then i'll have fun with it.. i guess.. lol
hmm, IDK man.

I am a 103 ET with close to "end-game" gear and the only person who can 2/3 shot me on Chronos is a nuker with a stage 2 dragon weap. Even then he has to either be skilled or have debuffs on me. Archers/nukers with +16 3x SA weaps are nothing. The top geared archers on server only skill crit me for 15/20k.....

I'm not sure what you are doing wrong.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:03 PM   #5
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the biggest PVE change is on the reworked True Vanguard which will no longer increase PVE dps with 60%, for the new True Vanguard you will need a high OE shield as it's pdef will be added to your patt

all 101 tank aura's will be changed which will be somewhat of a boost for all tanks except HK for whom it will be a huge nerf PVE wise, particularly when used in combo of True Vanguard

all tanks will get a new ranged dps skill

party ud's will be limited to once per minute also ud's will be heavily influenced by the pdef of your gear

noble sacrifice will have a huge re use time and won't be 90% of the damage anymore

all in all for defense style tanks this will be a boost if they have good gear, for offense or those tanks who for whatever reason play often solo/duo they will notice a dps nerf if they used to play with the current True Vanguard/HK aura.

PVP wise I expect any tank that wants to be something will need to have at least a +10 PVP set now.. +8 won't be good enough anymore

there were many small changes per tank type but the above covers the important bits

ah final note, don't oe skills on tanks anymore unless you know for sure those skills will remain unchanged as many got changed with no refund if they were oe'd - clear example are the 101 aura's

be glad NCWest has chaos essence in their l2store so if folks don't like they can change but imo considering the huge amount of changes which btw will also happen on the ISS class I would say by the time this gets released demand a free chaos essence as you got zero choice int he matter here


ps, the only real advantage HK has/had over the other tanks is the 25% crit damage boost & 10% more patt from it's 101 Aura compared to Rage aura - the panther version of crit wound isn't bad either but dies pretty fast so not as useful as some might think
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Old 08-11-2017, 06:47 PM   #6
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hmm, IDK man.

I am a 103 ET with close to "end-game" gear and the only person who can 2/3 shot me on Chronos is a nuker with a stage 2 dragon weap. Even then he has to either be skilled or have debuffs on me. Archers/nukers with +16 3x SA weaps are nothing. The top geared archers on server only skill crit me for 15/20k.....

I'm not sure what you are doing wrong.
Yea, im not sure.. But basically this is what im using..

All skills +10 and 11
+8 Bloody Heavy armor
Soul Ant
Ring of Creation
Soul Frint
Istina
Special Resis. Stun Earing
LvL3 Diamond
LvL2 Topaz
LvL4 Ruby
Obsidian lvl2
+5 Reflect Shirt
PvP Def. Belt
Excaulted Cloak
Excaulted Tiara
Abundance lvl1
Talisman annihilation (saving up for Longing)
Con Braclet
+15 Con Tats
+10 R99 Cutter with Body ( cant afford 2nd SA yet )
Dual99 Went all HP.. 24%


I know its nothing compared to most.. but i thought it was ok... :P

Im a 101 PK
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Old 08-11-2017, 07:36 PM   #7
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Next update will be wonderful, PvPs would be more challenging and playing tank would actually requires talent to play compare to now wherein mostly players who plays tank plays it as if they are just like box toons spam agro,UD/PT rescue and rez. Best of all is that 2 tank setup on PvPs would be nonviable anymore since it will just result as a disadvantage. Overall it will require a talented player to maximize the effectiveness of tanks in PvPs of to which I highly doubt there are many who can rose to the challenge I'm leaning more towards to a reality that many tanks will play another class
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:36 PM   #8
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Yea, im not sure.. But basically this is what im using..

All skills +10 and 11
+8 Bloody Heavy armor
Soul Ant
Ring of Creation
Soul Frint
Istina
Special Resis. Stun Earing
LvL3 Diamond
LvL2 Topaz
LvL4 Ruby
Obsidian lvl2
+5 Reflect Shirt
PvP Def. Belt
Excaulted Cloak
Excaulted Tiara
Abundance lvl1
Talisman annihilation (saving up for Longing)
Con Braclet
+15 Con Tats
+10 R99 Cutter with Body ( cant afford 2nd SA yet )
Dual99 Went all HP.. 24%


I know its nothing compared to most.. but i thought it was ok... :P

Im a 101 PK
Honestly; if you fight an archer with comparable gear to yourself you will be fine.

However; if you fight an end game archer you will be toast.

Not much else to say. I'm curious to know if you actually think you should be able to withstand hits from a 105 full dark archer.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:30 PM   #9
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Default Re: Tank's Future..

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Yea, im not sure.. But basically this is what im using..

All skills +10 and 11
+8 Bloody Heavy armor
Soul Ant
Ring of Creation
Soul Frint
Istina
Special Resis. Stun Earing
LvL3 Diamond
LvL2 Topaz
LvL4 Ruby
Obsidian lvl2
+5 Reflect Shirt
PvP Def. Belt
Excaulted Cloak
Excaulted Tiara
Abundance lvl1
Talisman annihilation (saving up for Longing)
Con Braclet
+15 Con Tats
+10 R99 Cutter with Body ( cant afford 2nd SA yet )
Dual99 Went all HP.. 24%


I know its nothing compared to most.. but i thought it was ok... :P

Im a 101 PK
read closely what rodah just wrote, look at your gear and realize that those that 2 shot you have pvp gear where as you have almost zero pvp defense items besides the pvp def belt & obsidian lvl 2..

use freya barriers at next siege/pvp and you'll notice a huge difference, those are still relatively cheap atm so best buy a bunch as that wont last
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