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Old 09-06-2017, 02:34 PM   #1
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Update: September 11, 2017 6:20pm PDT - http://boards.lineage2.com/showthrea...=1#post3569211

Hello all,

Since Neutron made several replies to this thread prior to the weekend with some additional input on how and why this fix was implemented, I'm following up this week to let you know that we're continuing to read and gather your feedback* to present to the L2 Dev Team.

To be clear, we absolutely agree that this situation should've been handled and communicated better, and apologize that it wasn't.

We feel strongly that any unintended game mechanic that gets abused to generate a very large percentage of Adena income, and can lead to massive economic inflation, needs to be fixed as soon as it's identified. However, in this case we do recognize that there's correlation between the extent to which this bug was exploited, and the current significant challenges with earning Adena through in-game means.

In an ideal scenario, we'd implement more sweeping changes to the game to ease the burden of accruing Adena at the same time as any exploit fixes which cut off a common revenue stream. Changes of this scope take more time to implement and test though, and a blatant exploit that so heavily impacts the economy can't be left unaddressed in that time frame.

That said, we do appreciate the feedback. We'll continue to closely monitor the situation in-game and your input on the forums. We'll provide any updates we can as soon as they're available.

*Regardless of how vehemently you might disagree with the change, those of you who are presenting your feedback thoughtfully and without insulting remarks, inappropriate language, or conspiracy theories are helping to ensure that important criticisms are being documented. In order to present specific opinions internally, we need to hear from players who can voice their concerns in specific terms without resulting to making the types of comments that violate the Forum Guidelines and need to be moderated. We want to thank you for taking the time to express yourself in a considerate manner.

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Original Post: September 6, 2017 12:34pm PDT

Hello all,

As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.

In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.

If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.


Yours,

The Lineage II Team

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Old 09-06-2017, 02:38 PM   #2
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Hello all,

As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.

In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.

If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.


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Don't worry, nothing feels exceptionally rewarding about this game.
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Yet adena drop rates remain abysmally low.

This was one of the only ways the majority of the populace could make money, and now you've taken that from them. Why should they continue to play? Progression is solely through the NStore, but you have no game if your community dies.

Why not implement an adena token much like what Blizzard did with WoW tokens? Players can buy a token with Ncoin and sell it through the auction house for adena, while players with hundreds of billions of adena to spend can buy up those tokens in exchange for an Ncoin balance?

This way no new adena is being generated, but an economy can still continue to flourish.
Also, and this is the big one, so I'll put it in bold, NCWEST STILL GETS PAID.

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I also love that you guys think that anything exceptionally rewarding is to be punished. This is a game, not a labor camp! How could you possibly think this type of language is becoming of a video game support staff? I get that your internal memos use such negative language, but you're not supposed to let your player-base know you don't care about them what-so-ever. Absolutely pathetic. Would you like us to lick your boots, too?
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Yet adena drop rates remain abysmally low.

This was one of the only ways the majority of the populace could make money, and now you've taken that from them. Why should they continue to play? Progression is solely through the NStore, but you have no game if your community dies.

Why not implement an adena token much like what Blizzard did with WoW tokens? Players can buy a token with Ncoin and sell it through the auction house for adena, while players with hundreds of billions of adena to spend can buy up those tokens in exchange for an Ncoin balance?

This way no new adena is being generated, but an economy can still continue to flourish.
Also, and this is the big one, so I'll put it in bold, NCWEST STILL GETS PAID.

I also love that you guys think that anything exceptionally rewarding is to be punished. This is a game, not a labor camp! How could you possibly think this type of language is becoming of a video game support staff? I get that your internal memos use such negative language, but you're not supposed to let your player-base know you don't care about them what-so-ever. Absolutely pathetic. Would you like us to lick your boots, too?
This is pretty much spot on. There are no exceptionally rewarding moves to make in this game anymore. I would think adding a carrot on the end of a stick for the player base that doesn't involve purchasing hundreds to thousands of dollars of ncoin a month/year, would help you, as they may be inclined to stay with the game longer if there was some semblance of a 'reward' occasionally.

Fishing alone, although profitable, was no means to an end. It was a luxury to give players a reliable revenue stream, I'm sure some folks did their fair share to cash in on it, but for the folks doing it to make a little on the side, this is a crushing blow.

There are no quality adena drops in normal xp zones or instance.
There are no quality item drops in normal xp zones or instances.
The only source for full items are open raids (sorta, not really great) and epic raids (controlled by certain clans).

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And please don;t give us appreciation packs for this it is ironical....
Appreciation pack with 10 elcyum powder probably...lol
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I will throw in my 2 eurocents on this topic .
NCSOFT you made us play the fish event and dream on having a fancy rod ... you changed the prices for elcy in grocery from 500k to 2kk ... we where all excited cause we could actually use the Fancys for more then just xp and play the event .
Now after 2 months .. you practically shot all of us who trusted you in the face .
We can imagine this happening on private servers where many are property of money hungry kids who would squeez players for money till they give up.
I never imagined that NCSOFT will sink so low as to nerf something that was in game for a very long time .. and call it a bug ...
I am very dissapointed and sad .. i was here since day one of this game launching .
We trusted you with our money on the Fish expeditio .. and now you made all of us feel cheated .
I have spent over 10000€ on the events you'f had .. to support the server .. and all for what ?
You simply do not care anymore about the community , you forgot how to listen .
I will be following this topic to the end .
Just open your eyes .. see the signs .. this poison might kill the player base for good .

Take Care . Yufina .
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:34 AM   #8
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Kill all way to ear money so compensation is turn on premium so for now last way to earn money die and start's absolutely full pay game
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:59 AM   #9
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Truly Paid, cause you need to pay even to breath... unique game in the world we can't farm resources to get stronger, it is ridiculous to pay real money for everything...

* We can't farm adena by killing mobs (nerfed)
* We can't farm adena by killing big bosses (nerfed)
* We can't farm adena by doing instances (nerfed)
* We can't farm adena by fishing (nerfed) (New!)
* extremely profitable? stop making me laugh please, look this sheet to see how we pay to fish: https://imgur.com/a/WOz3d

This game is great, but the administration is bad. If this game was administrated by Blizzard, it would be the most played game in the world. Blizzard makes money without being disloyal to the players, why must ncsoft be disloyal to the players?

Unfortunetely, I'm adicted to your game... i don't mind to spend money in the game to get something faster, but i don't feel confortable if the unique way is to pay... I can't sell my car/house for such an irresponsible purpose...

Every year servers are being merged due to the lack of players: people are rejecting you, can't u see that? While you are getting empty, games like Black Desert are full of people...

You are failing due to bad administration.

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Like I said, NCsoft/NCWest are very exceptional business people and they understand the psychology of the people that "play" this game. They know people aren't going anywhere.
I disagree. Everyone has a breaking point, make no mistake about it. You don't have to break the will and addiction of ALL remaining customers, who still pay into this gambling machine and support the addiction of those who cannot, for the remaining dominoes to fall.

If they are psychology experts, then why am I spending less? Why did I spend less on this event than I intended? Why do I absolutely not plan to spend much in the future based on this decision. Why did I end my sub on my main char? Why am I looking for a new game to play and why is that NOT going to be an NCSoft title? Why am I not excited to go home after work and check in on my accounts and see progression and do dailies on my main char? Etc, Etc.

I highly doubt I am the exception here. If I am then you have nothing to worry about. Pay...err...play on!
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Congratulations on RUINING the Game COMPLETELY!

Mobs dont drop adena anymore,
Took away all the drops from raids,
There is no way to earn adena on game anymore.

What do u think its gonna happen on a game without currency?
Do u think ppl will keep buying Nccoins to get items from l2store?
Mostly of those nccoins are used to re-sell itens on market for adena... but oh wait, there are no more adena in-game, so no point buying nccoin anymore.

You guys did a move to increase ur sales of nccoins, but got the exact oposite, ur sales will drop so much that you will be forced to shut down the servers.

I agree that earning adena shouldnt be so easy as the way it was with the fishing thing
But don´t remove adena from game, the game needs adena, NCwest need adena on game to sell nccoins.

Put drops back on server.
Put adena drops on mobs again.

Save YOUR JOB before its too late.

Unlike you, we dont make Lineage 2 as a living.

Think about that.

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Congratulations on RUINING the Game COMPLETELY!

Mobs dont drop adena anymore,
Took away all the drops from raids,
There is no way to earn adena on game anymore.

What do u think its gonna happen on a game without currency?
Do u think ppl will keep buying Nccoins to get items from l2store?
Mostly of those nccoins are used to re-sell itens on market for adena... but oh wait, there are no more adena in-game, so no point buying nccoin anymore.

You guys did a move to increase ur sales of nccoins, but got the exact oposite, ur sales will drop so much that you will be forced to shut down the servers.

I agree that earning adena shouldnt be so easy as the way it was with the fishing thing
But don´t remove adena from game, the game needs adena, NCwest need adena on game to sell nccoins.

Put drops back on server.
Put adena drops on mobs again.

Save YOUR JOB before its too late.

Unlike you, we dont make Lineage 2 as a living.

Think about that.

Regards
totaly agree with u...
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Hello all,

As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.

In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.

If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.


Yours,

The Lineage II Team
this excuse could be acceptable if u mentioned about this before u did this stupid update but u ***ed up all ppl who were adding thier elcyum in AH for low prices and all other ppl bought them for cheaper prices and reselling them for double prices now...
gz ncsoft u ***ed up evrything.
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Hello all,

As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.

In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.

If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.


Yours,

The Lineage II Team
This is a joke, right? You know what, you shouldn't said anything... Said nothing would be better that that. This is exactly how you care about Lineage 2 and its players database... there is no care at all. What you care about is just your wallets. That was last nail to coffin, at least for me.
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"extremely lucrative"

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If it was not intented, how come korea increased it to 4 powerful fish exchange for 4 elcyum powder in the latest update? Please tell me!!
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If it was not intented, how come korea increased it to 4 powerful fish exchange for 4 elcyum powder in the latest update? Please tell me!!
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If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.


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Hello all,

As mentioned in the weekly maintenance notification yesterday, we’ve applied a change to select fishing item exchange rates with today’s update. Prior to maintenance 4 Powerful Fish could be exchanged for 3 Elcyum Powder, which made the process of collecting Elcyum Powder via fishing and selling it to a vendor for Adena extremely lucrative. This was an issue resulting from NPC sell values being changed in a previous update, while the exchange rate in the shop wasn’t properly updated to reflect the new prices. It was an oversight on our part that was never intended to provide such a profitable method of earning Adena.

In today’s update we applied a fix so that the same exchange for 3 Elcyum Powder now requires 12 Powerful Fish and yields a more appropriate vendor sell value. We apologize for not identifying and fixing this value discrepancy sooner. Whenever possible we want to avoid letting issues that have a severe, unintentional impact on the game economy persist—we understand that such a generous exchange of fishing items to Adena quickly sets players’ income expectations.

If you ever come across a method of obtaining currency that feels exceptionally rewarding for the effort required, please don’t hesitate to submit a bug report in-game.


Yours,

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if that true, korean off why have 4 powerful fish to 4 elcyum powder, what you say its only west applied, nowhere else.
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