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Old 05-27-2010, 04:24 AM   #1
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Default The server's boring? wha?

I was just stopping by~!
I was bored enough to read all these posts about "oh server is boring."....

I guess people still don't understand how this game works?

Facts don't change still. You get rid of P00t, OG, IMM0, same EXACT result repeats. If all of those 3 clans quit/move/banned tomorrow, whoever is left of neutral will say "I am the top dog, and I say you can only walk to this far." You ain't going to raid baium and antharas and hand those jewels out to every neutral people.

It's not the server that is dead. Neutral clans=war clan's next feeding ground of recruits, or the next formidable enemy rising. There's simply not enough neutral population left, to support that bubble system on this server.

When the bubble collapse, politics simply win. For war clans, it's all about business of survival. Their job isn't to entertain you on daily pvp show. Neutrals have no say in the matter.

It really does not take much to understand this concept.

PS : Whoever that "Happy" person is...

"This server wouldn''t be so carebear if it wasn't locked up"

and

"We are just smart enough to know that we cannot pvp with the higher clans"

Those 2 sentences don't go together. Think about it.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:50 AM   #2
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Default For Wulf.

Neutrals cannot create and maintain their own pvp. It's just dead obvious fact. Small wars eventually start and repeat the server war.

I'm pretty sure they didn't become "Neutral" to do that.

The nature and reasoning of being neutral isn't limited to one type.

Most of the war-clan tagged people on this server has swapped sides before. The pvp isn't about loyalty. It never was and never will be.

I openly said neutrals don't have say in that matter.

While you are in the server's top pvp clan, you don't necessarily posses control over the things that your clan or clan mate do.

It's a fair trade off. You never know, you might just be on the other side of the line some day.
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When the big clans start randoms pk on neutrals yes its neurtral clans matter. If the big clans dont find PvP they start blame the neutrals becouse of this (hundres of posts on blah saying this), and its totaly wrong.

Skywalker, im at Phoenix, as u know, and my oppinion, to give u an example, about the server (Phoenix) is:
  • you have plenty of options to join a medium clan with PvP included, Tiat raid, Citadel etc and dont need to have any business with Nova or Furious Steel;
  • I PvP everyday with ppl that have same lvl as me, dont use programs for it, exp like us;
  • Ppl that want enjoying the game as it was designed we have tonzs there;
  • TW you get your kills with PvP not with trade kills with other clans. Ofc sometimes we need complete it.
  • We can still see more than one castle being attacked at the same time by big clans and medium clans. Last siege 2 castles were taken from Nova by neutrals.
  • The market is very active. The high population make the business good, but make harder other stuffs like elemental stones, for example (fire stone 3kk since FOG is full of parties on elemental drop stones)
I would risk to say Phoenix at the moment remember a bit Deviane 2 years ago. Definetly its not a server for ppl that LF a big clan to have fun.

The problem in Deviane is ppl like more blame NCSOFT and neutrals for their boring game instead of change politic stuffs and give a chance to the neutrals grow up and maybe start a chalenge. Instead of it, they keep pking them trying exp, lockdown areas to not let ppl try increase their equipment perfomance. So, wht expect rom a server like this?

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Old 05-27-2010, 10:36 AM   #4
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neutrals cannot create and maintain their own pvp. It's just dead obvious fact. Small wars eventually start and repeat the server war.

I'm pretty sure they didn't become "neutral" to do that.

The nature and reasoning of being neutral isn't limited to one type.

Most of the war-clan tagged people on this server has swapped sides before. The pvp isn't about loyalty. It never was and never will be.

I openly said neutrals don't have say in that matter.

While you are in the server's top pvp clan, you don't necessarily posses control over the things that your clan or clan mate do.

It's a fair trade off. You never know, you might just be on the other side of the line some day.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:16 AM   #5
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but in devainne the neutrals can grow up , they just cant have pvp.. the problem was that in korea L2 ppl were too way higher lvl , and some years ago when a patch realsed there , used to come here a bit faster then today , and ppl couldnt get even close to the new options...

for example , if im not wrong 2 years ago the max lvl turned into 85 OMG 2years ago! that was too soon and now we are feeling the difference cuz , if the max lvls were 82 or 83 w/e at least legit ppl would be closer then this now.. the shouldve put the max lvl 85 in this new update coming (freyah) but w/e .. all i can see is that L2 is pushing the game to more pvp not making more new highlvls ( just 86) and making more possible to get 150+ crystals and s80 top weapons.. and even low s84.


what would be very good for ncsoft now ,is since the game is losing many players , make for old school players some spetial things like , if the guy stoped to play 2 years ago or more he's able to make a quest that gives him + 50% on 79 lol to get closer to 80 and like 50 vit pop LOL then he'll get lvl faster and many old players might come back and ''reach'' the players lvl 85 ( not reach but at least try 83-2)

events for playres would be nice , Vitality events so the players can reach top players to get more lvl and then might have some competition etc.etc

But the main thing this game lacks is players , new or old, so they need to get them back by the paragraph i made , or another way , w/e but would be nice cuz they would mantain the actual playrs +oldplayers ^^
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PS : Whoever that "Happy" person is...

"This server wouldn''t be so carebear if it wasn't locked up"

and

"We are just smart enough to know that we cannot pvp with the higher clans"

Those 2 sentences don't go together. Think about it.
You must be a politician. When you post them in that manner without underlying context you are right they don't seem to go together. But it would seem that others were able to understand what I have been saying. tyvm
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Default For Si :

It's always strong picking on the weak. It's the way of nature. It's not the neutrals to blame for lack of pvp, it's the after effect of mid-level neutral bubble collapse.

If you read my post throuhgly, all you are explaining is that Phoenix simply has enough neutral/mid-class/up-coming population to actually make diverse competition continue. They simply havn't gone in to survival mode, nor had the need to (Nova isn't something to sneeze at)

The fact doesn't change, that you are surviving because Nova doesn't really care about you. If Nova wanted you dead, gone, you would be stuck in rift/dellusion chaimber. As I mentioned, pking of neutrals happens because war clan wants to their hand tied. "Either join us, or fight us." In another words, you are less than a distrction to the top clans right now.

If you were picked on Devianne, it only means two things.

You lacked the discipline, and probably flagged back everytime or chance you have.

If you kept on flagging back, they expect you to fight back. They know they can kill you so easy, and people like beating on sandbag more than getting in to a ring. Who's fault is that?

Look in to game mechanics. You rarely can have best of both worlds.
If you made compromise, stick to it. You are complaining just as much as those war clans because you still want to prove yourself like 15 yr old kid that hasn't accomplished something.

Your quote :

"Instead of it, they keep pking them trying exp, lockdown areas to not let ppl try increase their equipment perfomance. So, wht expect rom a server like this? "

That's almost ignorant statement. This game is designed on human greed and ambition. Every server eventually gets locked down because unless you are into socialism, you won't want to farm baium and antharas for regular Joe #1234 of the server. This game requires efficiency to almost rediculous end.

Why do you think people box instead of grouping?

If you were doing baium with 120 people ally, and you know you can do it with 40 people, why should continue to do with 120 people and share loot?

You simply have not acheived/experienced enough stuff to foresee how the cycle continues. Give it about a year, and have fun at Phoenix!
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I don't think you fully understand Korean L2, or the inherent problem with the game. The whole part of them being way too higher level, no it's not the root of the problem.

On Devianne, many distractions (People that wanted to walk on the block and prove themselves) has came and went. Of those rare handful of people that were successful, actually turned into the side they were criticizing. Only thing the rest did was provide entertainment to war clans.

Also understand, Ncsoft does not care about NA market. No matter how any of us think their main goal is to sell L2 series in Asia. Everything will be tailored for that crowd, period.
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Wrong . when big clans have realy tought fights neutrals can do a big difference. teon have many strong clans for example , dunno how many are bigs but many neutrals can do difference in a siege or stuff like that . If og stoped to help p00t and the same , would open big spots for the others medium allys, and if u just see the game long time ago there was never a clan that could beat all, and today m thx for the bots and NCSOFTtm for letting them getting +90 skills and lvl 85 100% with an armor set +122 thas now possible , and dont come with that talking that this game is ONLY about politics , thats words from some1 that never played the game old school
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It's always strong picking on the weak. It's the way of nature. It's not the neutrals to blame for lack of pvp, it's the after effect of mid-level neutral bubble collapse.

If you read my post throuhgly, all you are explaining is that Phoenix simply has enough neutral/mid-class/up-coming population to actually make diverse competition continue. They simply havn't gone in to survival mode, nor had the need to (Nova isn't something to sneeze at)

The fact doesn't change, that you are surviving because Nova doesn't really care about you. If Nova wanted you dead, gone, you would be stuck in rift/dellusion chaimber. As I mentioned, pking of neutrals happens because war clan wants to their hand tied. "Either join us, or fight us." In another words, you are less than a distrction to the top clans right now.

If you were picked on Devianne, it only means two things.

You lacked the discipline, and probably flagged back everytime or chance you have.

If you kept on flagging back, they expect you to fight back. They know they can kill you so easy, and people like beating on sandbag more than getting in to a ring. Who's fault is that?

Look in to game mechanics. You rarely can have best of both worlds.
If you made compromise, stick to it. You are complaining just as much as those war clans because you still want to prove yourself like 15 yr old kid that hasn't accomplished something.

Your quote :

"Instead of it, they keep pking them trying exp, lockdown areas to not let ppl try increase their equipment perfomance. So, wht expect rom a server like this? "

That's almost ignorant statement. This game is designed on human greed and ambition. Every server eventually gets locked down because unless you are into socialism, you won't want to farm baium and antharas for regular Joe #1234 of the server. This game requires efficiency to almost rediculous end.

Why do you think people box instead of grouping?

If you were doing baium with 120 people ally, and you know you can do it with 40 people, why should continue to do with 120 people and share loot?

You simply have not acheived/experienced enough stuff to foresee how the cycle continues. Give it about a year, and have fun at Phoenix!
To make u better informed, Nova let Furious Steel twice the castle. Why? Becouse if they dont do this they cant PvP during the TW and ppl will start quit. Even if u see that Deviane have an arrogant and selfish side, on Phoenix ppl manage their fun. Look at Deviane. p00t and Og hold hands becouse of ONE guy that stoled p00t. I dont know if its true or not and i dont care, but shows how ppl take the game so serious. And, as always, u comete the mistake with me thinking im like these guys

About Phoenix, if i have more 1 year of fun here its worth the transfer money. If merge comes, great, im in a very nice group at the moment, doing stuffs that only big clans in Deviane do. So, its a new experience to me also.

Gl on Deviane for u two

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Yes, I guess calling me a politician was best reply you could come up with.

Let me enlighten you by spending five minute to write this reply.

Understand, the full meaning of "Neutral".

If you do not posses the capability to fight and bow your head down to your enemy...The meaning of neutral is nothing but a cop out that you are a slave of the system.

There is no shame in admitting so. You would be in denial if you try to disputed that fact.

You are keeping your head down so you can survive another day...eventually to put up a fight later?

Soooo...When you have to survive it's ok to bow your head down, but when war-clans need to survive it's "oh wow that's a cop out?"

I'm sick and tired of neutrals blaming war-clans as much as war-clan doing propaganda on hero chat. It's easy to be on the side line crowd and say anything you want. Fact still remains that you arn't on the court.

I have preached same thing to your ally clans. Ask LoD or Sunshine about what I have told them.

There's always young guns in every clan that thinks they are strong enough to "prove" themselves. All it means is that they lack discipline.
Eventually they will piss enough people off that your entier clan has to pay for the consequence. (Or they hit lvl and go join the war clans anyway) Look the hell around you...

You want pvp that bad?

Drop your tag and go join the war-clans. It's that simple.
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Yes, I guess calling me a politician was best reply you could come up with.

Let me enlighten you by spending five minute to write this reply.

Understand, the full meaning of "Neutral".

If you do not posses the capability to fight and bow your head down to your enemy...The meaning of neutral is nothing but a cop out that you are a slave of the system.

There is no shame in admitting so. You would be in denial if you try to disputed that fact.

You are keeping your head down so you can survive another day...eventually to put up a fight later?

Soooo...When you have to survive it's ok to bow your head down, but when war-clans need to survive it's "oh wow that's a cop out?"

I'm sick and tired of neutrals blaming war-clans as much as war-clan doing propaganda on hero chat. It's easy to be on the side line crowd and say anything you want. Fact still remains that you arn't on the court.

I have preached same thing to your ally clans. Ask LoD or Sunshine about what I have told them.

There's always young guns in every clan that thinks they are strong enough to "prove" themselves. All it means is that they lack discipline.
Eventually they will piss enough people off that your entier clan has to pay for the consequence. (Or they hit lvl and go join the war clans anyway) Look the hell around you...

You want pvp that bad?

Drop your tag and go join the war-clans. It's that simple.
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Wrong. There isn't enough population left on Devianne for neutral to make an impact. You are reciting only the things you've seen. I don't think you have fundamental understanding of how stuff works.

I get scared when people talk like they read this off a book. You look very ignorant that way.

Why would p00t or og open side for medium ally? rofl.

Do you think goal of L2 is to be a red cross and help supplying gears to the entier server?

Easy for you to talk about it when you have absoltely no stake in it. What have you acheived on Devianne before you go?

SOOO easy for bystanders that never made out of even neutral seat say stuff all day long.

I will wait till the day you hit top seat on Phoenix, and go down in flames because you couldn't fondle the concept of politics. (it would just proves you are dumb won't it?)

Your quote :

"and dont come with that talking that this game is ONLY about politics , thats words from some1 that never played the game old school"

And I assume "you" played the game old school mr. Miyagi?

Obviously you are just talking out of your now. I guess I'm done wasting my time with you.

People learn and adapt. At least the ones with over 2 digit IQ does.

You want to be stuck in pre-historic age that is fine with me.

Go on, show us how far you will get on Phoenix with a club on your hand.
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ya ok , but still politics have changed, and as i sid b4 , i dont blame war clans , i blame the bots . and the ebayers ofc ;]


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I just realized half of the emoticons and profanity I used on posts has been censored!

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I guess the force is strong on this board.

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Btw, Coffee is great.

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Now I get why JarpH0 and others camp boards so much.

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May I ask who you are(were) on Devianne?

I don't think I know you as your forum name.
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i dont wanna say my name here cuz u guna pk ( not in the bad way ofc lol but u gunna say lol) ,ive talked to u about that b4 ,i hate to think that this game is only about polits and i get angry... lol and i know u yes, u just work with politics in game ^^

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Wrong. There isn't enough population left on Devianne for neutral to make an impact. You are reciting only the things you've seen. I don't think you have fundamental understanding of how stuff works.

I get scared when people talk like they read this off a book. You look very ignorant that way.

Why would p00t or og open side for medium ally? rofl.

Do you think goal of L2 is to be a red cross and help supplying gears to the entier server?

Easy for you to talk about it when you have absoltely no stake in it. What have you acheived on Devianne before you go?

SOOO easy for bystanders that never made out of even neutral seat say stuff all day long.

I will wait till the day you hit top seat on Phoenix, and go down in flames because you couldn't fondle the concept of politics. (it would just proves you are dumb won't it?)

Your quote :

"and dont come with that talking that this game is ONLY about politics , thats words from some1 that never played the game old school"

And I assume "you" played the game old school mr. Miyagi?

Obviously you are just talking out of your now. I guess I'm done wasting my time with you.

People learn and adapt. At least the ones with over 2 digit IQ does.

You want to be stuck in pre-historic age that is fine with me.

Go on, show us how far you will get on Phoenix with a club on your hand.
Easy to u, Skywalker, say these words. If tomorrow p00t or OG decide kick you from Schuggart they will do. But u keep the politics up, L2 is Politics, but in Deviane is Politics > Fun. Maybe if they were acting different with u, you could put other words on this post or maybe come back to immos, or maybe quit.

I really dont know why u created this post since u are not part of any side, just farm, keep a castle in a dead server. I dont see ur point. Really. Only if u wait for a merge in the future or u selling adena for real money. Or else i dont see ur point.
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