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Question Iss Hierophant / Titan (dual) - Gear Questions

Hey guys i need some advice regarding Main Iss Hierophant and Dual Titan.

What would be recomended gear-wise?
R99 Heavy Set+6 full elem should be enough (or? i was thinking of a bigger investment in jewels and wep)

But what about wep and jewels? (say i got ~30-40b for all the gear: wep, armor,jewels etc).

Any1 can recommend a setup? Mainly items should work on Iss and if possible to be suitable for the Titan too.

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Hey guys i need some advice regarding Main Iss Hierophant and Dual Titan.

What would be recomended gear-wise?
R99 Heavy Set+6 full elem should be enough (or? i was thinking of a bigger investment in jewels and wep)

But what about wep and jewels? (say i got ~30-40b for all the gear: wep, armor,jewels etc).

Any1 can recommend a setup? Mainly items should work on Iss and if possible to be suitable for the Titan too.

Thanks!
+8 r99 light set, Tauti 2h weapon and some crit damage ring which is both good for iss and titan
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Old 06-12-2017, 03:53 AM   #3
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hmm i was actually thinking of heavy set, does light set work better?

and should go for Tauti 2h not dual?


so light set + tauti 2h + tauti ring ?
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hmm i was actually thinking of heavy set, does light set work better?

and should go for Tauti 2h not dual?


so light set + tauti 2h + tauti ring ?
light set +8 even r95 should be fine + tauti 2h + aq soul/baium soul
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use heavy set, Iss needs to resist more, also you should pick some blessed/soul boss jewelry (Zaken, Tezza, AQ, Baium, Antharas), for weapon I guess you should use one weapon for each (dual or 1h + shield for the Iss and 2h blunt/sword for titan)
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I'm an ISS/Titan that focuses on PVE.

I really like +8 or better light armor for the cooldowns. Not only that, but the Titan has a lot better survivability in light armor than heavy, which may seem counter intuitive, but you dodge a lot more hits in PVE which increases your effective health. I was getting destroyed in heavy armor.

Dualswords are a great choice if you're focusing on your ISS - as you get +20% damage vs PVE. This is false, the +20% pve damage works with any weapon the ISS has mastery for, not just dual sword/blunts A Titan with dualswords also does respectable damage, but you wont be able to use furious slasher with them. Otherwise I recommend wielding a Slasher with both classes.

I use the exact same gear on my ISS as I do my Titan with the exception of swapping out a Red Cat's Eye (on Titan) for an Aquamarine (on ISS). I also use the same Ability Points on both classes.

I'm I fan of light + 2h weapon myself. Your choice to go with tauti blunt + ring will be good for a budget build
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Light set 100% and about weapon if you are on a budget Tauti 2h is your best option. Iss is not a dmg deal so you dont have to be concerned about the passive weapon mastery +20% pve dmg.
The only reason you would need 2 weapons is if you use weapon you can put SA, since Iss and Tyrr require different SAs
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About the set;
The only reason to use light set on iss (enchanted +8 or above mandatory), is -10% skill cooldown(+8 set light bonus), this will allow to you release RB, angel touch more quickly. About the damage is not much relevant.

For titan, using the light set itself, is a litle more relevant than iss in damage, but with the +8 bonus you will release ur attack/defense skills more quickly.

So doesnt worth using the light set if is nor +8 enchanted, keep the heavy.

About the weapon;
Tauti 2h is the best option.
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What are you taking about Foxes? Have you ever played in Light Set on ISS?
If you play active main iss then +8 set Light+duals are best choice, If you have box ISS then Heavy defence set+8 could be a good choice too.

Why light?here few valid reasons...
-round 30% more damage due to build(+8 light set boost your crit rate and you can use best patack+str or patack+cha instead of patack+crit rate, etc)
-10% coodown is mandatory and vital for iss
-more evasion>>>less mobs hit you>>>more efective will be your heals

Why duals?here few valid reasons...
-If its your main you prob want to farm solo sometime, 20% more damage its nice(Y, solo kartia group, solo kamaloka, solo GC, solo Desert,etc)
-try get a +14-+15 bless apo duals, are way better then any tauti pve or pvp...tested by me on tyrr and on iss also.

Ps: Dont count how much value you hit mobs...count how much exp you can make in 5 min of farm...duals>>>2h (no sos ofc).
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Hey gang. I erroneously stated that you get the +20% damage in pve with dualswords/dualblunts equipped. This bonus is actually in place under any weapon type the iss has mastery for. The tooltip just shows up only under the one passive skill.

I tested this the other day and hadn't corrected my false statement.
Sorry about that!
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Hi Cinnamon

I made a test last red libra on my iss hierophant, condition was like that:
-test: dualsword versus 2 h sword
-same equip
-5 min killing mobs in GC full buff
-test amount of damage i got with each weapon

Result was like 18% more with dualswords then 2h sword.

Now question is why? i thought it was from that passive mastery of 20%...what I miss?
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Hi Cinnamon

I made a test last red libra on my iss hierophant, condition was like that:
-test: dualsword versus 2 h sword
-same equip
-5 min killing mobs in GC full buff
-test amount of damage i got with each weapon

Result was like 18% more with dualswords then 2h sword.

Now question is why? i thought it was from that passive mastery of 20%...what I miss?

I just ran a test in GC on my 105 ISS Hierophant using a +0 r99 Slasher and a +0 r99 Dualblunt.
I only buffed Horn, Pipe, Guitar, Harp, Lute, Prevailing, Daring, Refreshing, and Warrior's harmony (skipped drum so I wouldn't trigger counter-critical).
I turned off shots, and attacked Lesser Giant Warriors in Giants Cave Upper.
Same stats for both weapons (19554 p.atk and 575 element total).

Slasher
  • 43 Normal Hits
    • Highest damage: 344
    • Lowest damage: 281
    • Average damage: 310
  • 62 Critical Hits
    • Highest damage: 3036
    • Lowest damage: 2516
    • Average damage: 2780


DualBlunts
  • 57 Normal Hits
    • Highest damage: 187
    • Lowest damage: 126
    • Average damage: 157
  • 62 Critical Hits
    • Highest damage: 1667
    • Lowest damage: 1135
    • Average damage: 1409

But Dualbluts/swords hit twice for every swing a two-handed weapon makes, so we need to double the damage on Dualblunts to give us an idea what the swing on a slasher would have been...

DualBlunts (numbers adjusted)
  • 57 Normal Hits
    • Highest damage: 374
    • Lowest damage: 252
    • Average damage: 314
  • 62 Critical Hits
    • Highest damage: 3334
    • Lowest damage: 2270
    • Average damage: 2818

There's a crit damage modifier of +/-10% for Swords and +/-20% for Blunts, that's why the high and low damage mark for the blunt weapon is more extreme than on the slasher. What matters are the averages, and when you compare the two numbers I don't see a 20% difference in damage between the slasher and dualblunt. Taking our normal hits on slasher, 310, we should see the dualblunt math out to 372 if they were doing 20% more damage. For the critical hit average of 2780, we should see 3336.

Right now the damage difference between the normal and critical hits in this test was 1.30% and 1.37% respectively. Pretty much zero. If I had drawn the test out even further my guess is the dualblunt's lead would be reduced to nothing.

My conclusion is that the +20% pve damage is already applied to your ISS if they have the mastery for the weapon.


---edit---

For funzies I ran the same test with +0 r99 fighters (same p.atk as the slasher and dualblunts [777] but less on my character stats because I don't have mastery for the weapon [same buffs, 13757 p.atk, 575 element])

Fighters (no weapon mastery for ISS)
  • 33 Normal Hits
    • Highest damage: 115
    • Lowest damage: 104
    • Average damage: 110
  • 39 Critical Hits
    • Highest damage: 891
    • Lowest damage: 808
    • Average damage: 853
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Interesting thread.
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What are you taking about Foxes? Have you ever played in Light Set on ISS?...
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I play Iss Hiero and titan with pve/pvp light set (more focused in pve), even my boxes (iss and sos) has +8 R95 light set. My first bloody wep was dualssword, i changed for 2h sword and i didnt see big news in my pve experience on iss.
The diference beetween a titan using duals vs 2h is sizeable than an Iss using 2h vs duals, this is a fact.

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My conclusion is that the +20% pve damage is already applied to your ISS if they have the mastery for the weapon.

I ran a basic test, using on my Iss clean apo dualsword vs clean apo slasher with full iss hierophant buff (consider that in practice you will use full buffs).

The average time killing Shaquima kshana in GC lower, 5 mobs per weapon, and measured with stopwatch was:

apo duals; 178.74 seconds.
apo slasher; 197.3 seconds .

duals was 9.406% more faster.

my conclusion is by some way, using dual sword, it affects.
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I ran a basic test, using on my Iss clean apo dualsword vs clean apo slasher with full iss hierophant buff (consider that in practice you will use full buffs).

This is where your error is. Drum melody gives you a chance when receiving damage to trigger counter-critical, which increases your critical damage by 90%. If you're going to test based on kill speed, you need to grind for an hour and add up all the mobs you killed in that hour with your dualswords vs slasher, otherwise you can not use a stopwatch to time a single kill speed when you can trigger counter-critical and expect to come to an accurate conclusion.

Again, There is no difference between the two weapons for ISS.
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Im sorry, but i didn't refute your conclusion, i said "by some way" (i didnt mention about 20% pve dmg bonus).

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My conclusion is that the +20% pve damage is already applied to your ISS if they have the mastery for the weapon.
Your arguments are very consistent and i agreed with your conclusion quoted before. Second you right about "to grind for an hour", i thought 10 mobs defeated (5 slasher, 5 dulas) in +/- 3 minutes each, are low samples for get an accurate average, but show a trend.

I ran this test, because basically a simple person who has the doubt to use or not a certain weapon, has to feel,(or at least to have an idea) in practice how it works, and the reality is that drum will always be present atm.

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Any1 can recommend a setup? Mainly items should work on Iss and if possible to be suitable for the Titan too.
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duals are best choice, If you have box ISS then Heavy defence set+8 could be a good choice too.
oh yes..... titan with duals, the best build!! (sarcasm)

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try get a +14-+15 bless apo duals, are way better then any tauti pve or pvp...tested by me on tyrr and on iss also.
at least did u read the budget ?

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About the set;
The only reason to use light set on iss (enchanted +8 or above mandatory), is -10% skill cooldown(+8 set light bonus), this will allow to you release RB, angel touch more quickly. About the damage is not much relevant.

For titan, using the light set itself, is a litle more relevant than iss in damage, but with the +8 bonus you will release ur attack/defense skills more quickly.

So doesnt worth using the light set if is nor +8 enchanted, keep the heavy.

About the weapon;
Tauti 2h is the best option.
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BobOrc, first you **** words from context....even so, consider that he is low lvl, main ISS and items should work"if posible" in titan.
Hes goal should be and it is to make main 105 , to go to 104-105 its not easy without full staked boost....but by doing some farm and instances solo with iss can be faster.

Secon...Gear wise- mean low budget for you or what coz I dont understand?
If so im curious how you define low budget?
Pls enlight me with your idea of a low budget setup in order to aim for kartia 95 group solo with ISS.

PS: if he was main Titan its obvious i wouldnt recomend him dualswords...
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BobOrc, first you **** words from context....even so, consider that he is low lvl, main ISS and items should work"if posible" in titan.
Hes goal should be and it is to make main 105 , to go to 104-105 its not easy without full staked boost....but by doing some farm and instances solo with iss can be faster.

Secon...Gear wise- mean low budget for you or what coz I dont understand?
If so im curious how you define low budget?
Pls enlight me with your idea of a low budget setup in order to aim for kartia 95 group solo with ISS.

PS: if he was main Titan its obvious i wouldnt recomend him dualswords...

idk why u start talking about boost to get 105lv
if u are proposing a setup to make k95 grp by solo........ i think even with a r95 clean weap he will do it
we are proposing a setup to at least make kama solo/duo with sos/even trio on dual till u get a good level, ofc he will cannot make af solo, gludio solo etc cuz his budget, but believe me, with the setup that u are proposing with dualsword, he only will do k95 solo

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Secon...Gear wise- mean low budget for you or what coz I dont understand?
If so im curious how you define low budget?
Pls enlight me with your idea of a low budget setup in order to aim for kartia 95 group solo with ISS.

PS: if he was main Titan its obvious i wouldnt recomend him dualswords...
if u talk about budget with k95 grp instance on mind, then with 8b on gear he will do it w/o problem (i do k95 grp by solo with my box iss using immortal set/jewels)

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Hey guys i need some advice regarding Main Iss Hierophant and Dual Titan.
its simple, if u wanna make ur setup focus on do solo instances or solo farm, u need read the replys from Foxes or Jagtiger and u will get w/o any problem and fast lv 102-103

with the setup of this others guys, u will just can do k95 solo and dream about u will get one day lv105, or just find a constant grp for pve
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Bro, If you solo Kama99 with iss using Tauti 2H...but without boxing 6 chars to suport him and without mega exclusive items like 7s or insanity I will delete my char and quit L2.
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Bro, If you solo Kama99 with iss using Tauti 2H...but without boxing 6 chars to suport him and without mega exclusive items like 7s or insanity I will delete my char and quit L2.
lols, 6 chars to suport ? :v 7s and insanity to do kama ? :v
so time to delete and quit
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