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Old 10-01-2006, 07:57 AM   #1
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Default Best dyes for Hawkeye??

Whats the best dyes for leveling a hawkeye with Plated leather set!?

+4 Str -4 Con
+4 Dex -4 Con?

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Old 10-01-2006, 07:59 AM   #2
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Yes that's basically the average set-up yes.
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:11 AM   #3
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what to put in the 3rd slot?
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:16 AM   #4
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Yes that's basically the average set-up yes.

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Average set up eh? Whats the best set up :P
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Old 10-01-2006, 08:35 AM   #5
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Yes that's basically the average set-up yes.

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Average set up eh? Whats the best set up :P

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Good point...I was kinda hoping you would pick on that line.

+5 STR +4 DEX seems better imo...raising DEX is nice on a HE, but it only truly shines with buffs. And even then, it's not that easy to see as +STR.

Plated Leather if you can afford it, is the best thing till A grade, and even later on...you should try out for yourself if an A grade set is better then PL at that point
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what to put in the 3rd slot?

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so not a +4 men/wit dye?
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Old 10-01-2006, 09:00 AM   #7
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For levelling? No.

+STR/+DEX, in any combination of +5/+4 you like.

Besides, I don't believe that fighters even can use MEN dyes.
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Old 10-01-2006, 01:47 PM   #8
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For levelling? No.

+STR/+DEX, in any combination of +5/+4 you like.

Besides, I don't believe that fighters even can use MEN dyes.

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Nope they cant, I would have placed them already if I could.
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Old 10-01-2006, 11:09 PM   #9
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what to put in the 3rd slot?

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so not a +4 men/wit dye?

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HE can't touch MEN stat.

I'm currently useing +4 str - 4 con, 2 dex - 2 con and Doom LA set, my set is 43 str, 35 dex, and 35 con....I can max out a really nice set up with out neirfing the fock out of my CON to the point when I'm 1 shot to every one.

But I really want +1 str and -1 con, and to remove my +2 dex soon....when I hit Mej. LA set I'm swich to pure DD set up.
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Old 10-01-2006, 11:12 PM   #10
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While you're levelling up, it's not really a worry if you're one shot to everyone, just as long as you're not one-shot to everything. And a levelling setup is what was asked for, after all.
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:57 AM   #11
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When I say it's bad to neirf your con to the dirt as a HE it is bad to neirf it to the dirt.

You can not find a lvling spot from 55-80+ that doesn't have atlest 1 mob type that stuns!(none!!)

no one can afford to carry around their own private EE to give resist stun which don't really help in the first place.(when you have it it feels like it's makes things worst then better)

even in frozen lab their are mobs that stun, but you wont see them unless you open them up from using a skill on the base mob(lost buffallo"9X", ponghorns"7X")...in that case your sure to die with low *** con.

For 2 reasons: much lower resistence to stun; much lower HP, and HP regen rate.

I choose the set up for my dyes for a reason and that was to reach 35 dex.. and major bonus to P atk by +4 str...the only problem is Doom lowers str by 1 yet replaces that with +2.45% to P atk...which is stupid cause all it does is cancel out the -1 str. so why even have the - 1 str.


I asure you that BW light is a horrible set armor for a HE, the + mP regen doesn't justify using it. it has slightly higher P df but not enought to justify it.

Doom > BW cause it adds to your atk, and crt rate; BW only adds to mp regen and MP pool and cast speed, while HE has no reason for cast speed build up. IE: +4 wit - 4 int is a waste of money.

undoubtily Mejestic Light is the best for archers....it was made for them in the first place. but till your 61 or as for me 76 doom is the better set.

But I'd stay in B grade till your 66, cause till then the mobs your hunting are still droping silver arrows..at 66 you get quiver of arrows A/g and can then make your own arrows from crys.

and crt > skills for lvling any how for a HE.

HE gets 1 lvl to crt chance, and 2 to crt power.

PR gets 1 for crt power.

SR gets 1 for crt chance.

Tell me which is better?
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Old 10-02-2006, 02:47 AM   #12
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When I say it's bad to neirf your con to the dirt as a HE it is bad to neirf it to the dirt.

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And people tell me I'm over-confident.

Firstly, just getting -10CON does not "nerf your CON to the dirt" as a human. You still get one more CON than an un-tattooed dark elf with -10, and plenty of dark elves level just fine with -CON... what's this oddity? You can survive just fine with -CON, provided of course you don't fully solo - but if you want to level, that's not what you'll be doing. If you have a prophet or SE in tow, -CON will be no problem. If you don't, paying a bit more attention will solve the problem.

Whether or not doom cancels out the +1STR depends on your weapon, and of course on your base STR - stats will look much different for a class with different STR.

I don't know what brought BW up - I certainly wouldn't recommend it (although it looks hot on humans, but that's not a consideration for most), not even for summoners or healers.
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Old 10-02-2006, 08:45 AM   #13
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PvE: +4 STR, +5 DEX, -9 CON
PvP: +5 DEX, -5 CON
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:01 PM   #14
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Default Re: Best dyes for Hawkeye??

pve -9/+5str+4dex
pvp -4con/4+str or +4dex depending on your level, support, gear
gear : plated leather and cs bow to xp, bw to pvp untill you get maj. Doom is useless.

edit: BW has stats of an a good a grade armor, it s not about mp regen it s about mdef and pdef like top A, and not havong -2 con -1 str makes you have +3 con over doom~~~
doom OK for SR
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Old 10-03-2006, 12:36 AM   #15
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Default Re: Best dyes for Hawkeye??

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pve -9/+5str+4dex
pvp -4con/4+str or +4dex depending on your level, support, gear
gear : plated leather and cs bow to xp, bw to pvp untill you get maj. Doom is useless.

edit: BW has stats of an a good a grade armor, it s not about mp regen it s about mdef and pdef like top A, and not havong -2 con -1 str makes you have +3 con over doom~~~
doom OK for SR

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you play your PR the way you want to play your PR.

But for a HE, your BW over doom set up is dead wrong.

Top A(mejestic light) isn't about just the P df...yeah sure thats higher, but thats not what the hell it's about.

dooms - 1 str is nulled by the +2.7% P atk bonus; which makes it more P atk then then -1 str, so you get +3 dex - 2 con. then you gain like +2.4% mp regen.

+3 dex adds to run speed crt rate, acc, eva.

how can you claim that +5% M df is more importent then more kill rate?

the + P df you get is a joke compaired to the kill rate you gain from doom.

seriously IDK how you play your PR...if want to take 3 years to hit 76 thats fine...but if you want to hit 76 fast doom light from 52- 66 then swich to mejestic.

PL is nice but the P df is a joke, and you can't garenty that you wont get hit.
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Old 10-03-2006, 12:56 AM   #16
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Old 10-03-2006, 01:09 AM   #17
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Elven archers keep getting crit passives after 40 now?

And here I thought it was only daggers...

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how can you claim that +5% M df is more importent then more kill rate?

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How can you claim that in PvE, a few hundred HP are more important than kill rate? Seriously, there are plenty of very capable high level HEs and Sags running around with maxed out offensive dyes - they're the most commonly recommended because they work, and work well.
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Old 10-03-2006, 01:16 AM   #18
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the + P df you get is a joke compaired to the kill rate you gain from doom.


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Kill rate from doom? Is that a joke????
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f3...armorstats.jpg
Look at this stats and compare urself what u gain and what u loose from doom.Completly unbuffed,no tats,soul bow +5
He's strongest side is their insane CP/HP,its nonsence to remove 500 cp/hp and 55 points defence for +4 points crit rate.

I could advise u to use +4 str - 4 con dyes only if u hunt mobs that u can 2/3 shoot.Stay away from x2,x3 and so on mobs if u solo.Keep in mind that playing in group with -10 con is risky too,all of my party friends are usualy dying
at least once in a day from magic crits in L-room,although most of them have ++a/s jewels.Shooting on mobs lvl 8x with health 3-4x, wheh u have around 2,5 k hp is not very safe even with skilled healer.
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Old 10-03-2006, 01:21 AM   #19
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The PAtk reduction through doom also gets a little bigger when you have +STR tats. ^^
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nvm me maline i checked it and i was nub.
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