Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger?

Ryath · 06-17-2007, 11:35 AM

What's the general concensus on which class is better? I know that Dark Elves have a higher p.atk, but I also know that Elves have higher evasion and faster attack speed....so.....what's your thoughts? Also, I know that Phantom Rangers get power break and hex and all that, but I have a Blade Dancer, and I only use those skills VERY rarely...

Thanks X.^

Dorian · 06-17-2007, 11:38 AM

PR = PVP, they have highest Atk, but Lowest Con
SR = PVE have low Con highest run speed and an solo selfbuffed

If u want an UberArcher try Hawkey. HE haves all 2 options from PR and SR.

Maitreya · 06-17-2007, 12:51 PM

Out of the 2, PR is better imo. SR isn't bad, and is really nice if you like to PK people and run away...

I would choose PR over SR.

I would choose HE over both.

The reason I say PR, is because in end game pvp, you crit super hard! To my limited understanding that is.

Heartfang · 06-17-2007, 01:34 PM

HE. why isent that class on your archer list?

about hex...it should be used..a lot...its a HUGE bost to damage... anyway, archer has no use for hex tho, at least not in pve...mobs should be dead befor they come even close to you.

my choice of archer would be HE>SR>PR.

why? simple. HE is most balanced. SR cuz i like lightelfs, they are fast and shoot fast. PR....umm...I dont like the looks of darkelfs lol...wouldent play it even if they where the best

Sigge · 06-17-2007, 02:23 PM

You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing.

SinPalabras · 06-17-2007, 02:26 PM

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about hex...it should be used..a lot...its a HUGE boost to damage...

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Nifty to have when faced with bow resist or multi-HP types. But hopefully most PR's have found better mob choices than that.

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my choice of archer would be HE>SR>PR.

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This is a tough one. Both the PR and HE hit hard. The SR has speed and crits, but with buffs, the HE and PR crit just enough to make it a nonissue.

Between the HE and the PR, the key difference is mindset. With an HE, I can go into a grind session knowing that I can aggro multiple mobs and not worry too much if I get hit, even with mobs that stun, para, shock, etc.. With the PR, it's kill them before they get to you and don't get hit under any circumstances, ESPECIALLY by mobs that stun, para, shock, etc.

I enjoy playing my PR more at B grade than I did the HE. But when I'm bored with playing the PR, I can log the HE without it feeling like I'm playing the same toon.

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PR....umm...I dont like the looks of darkelfs lol...wouldent play it even if they where the best

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I love DE's, followed by female elves, and human fighters. Who knew it could be so easy to look so good!

Heartfang · 06-17-2007, 03:48 PM

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You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing.

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yea well if he wanted to xp with a dagger I would recomend to roll a dagger class, not an archer.
(normaly I dont even let archers that use a dagger into my partys. a archer using a +0 kris focus (most of them do) with 500 pattack in a pagans group is more then useless.

same reson why daggerusers rarely get into archer partys.

SinPalabras · 06-17-2007, 04:45 PM

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You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing.

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yea well if he wanted to xp with a dagger I would recomend to roll a dagger class, not an archer.
(normaly I dont even let archers that use a dagger into my partys. a archer using a +0 kris focus (most of them do) with 500 pattack in a pagans group is more then useless.

same reson why daggerusers rarely get into archer partys.

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At C grade, I can see a PR using a focus dagger to level. At B grade, they really should get a BOP and not look back. Ranged attackers really come into their own starting at B grade.

Heartfang · 06-17-2007, 05:40 PM

yes Im not saying daggers are not an option, and at lower levels (Cgrade) its a lot better then a Bow. but, Cgrade lasted 1,5 days for my HE (I used a pole leveling, solo) its not realy worth rolling a PR, just to be able to use a dagger and hex for a feew days at Cgrade :P
Sure, Bgrade still works, i wish sometimes I have a kris focus so I can just get into a cata group for some easy xp :/

Sigge · 06-17-2007, 10:26 PM

I thought it was popular to skip bow until the higher levels, so hex would be nice.

But roll a human rogue -> whatever. Seems like they are everywhere lol

SilverSurfer1 · 06-18-2007, 07:19 AM

Silver Rangers shoot arrows fastest of all 3 Archer classes.
They have the fastest run speed also.

I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision.

SpectresWill · 06-18-2007, 09:05 AM

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I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision.

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agreed.

AshaneFB · 06-18-2007, 09:44 AM

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Silver Rangers shoot arrows fastest of all 3 Archer classes.
They have the fastest run speed also.

I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision.

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Hawkeye's shoot faster then Silver Rangers actually, by a few points due to the passive, assuming all things equal.

I'd go PR. There really isnt much place for SR's in "today's" archer world. Every Archer hits the crit cap with proper buffs, so that kills one huge advantage a SR had. They crit the worst in strength. They have a decent active later on, but cuts your range and puts you into Glad/etc range which isnt good, etc.

The run speed is always a advantage, but I really cant remember the last time I ran from anyway, except another HE and at that point the HE has dash and is going to catch you anyway.

Heartfang · 06-18-2007, 09:53 AM

again... rolling an PR just to be able to use a dagger and hex untill higher lvls are stupd. isent it better to roll the archer that you want to play at higher lvls? well if you like hex on a archer, go for pr.

flcon · 06-19-2007, 12:04 AM

SR shoot too fast and dont get body to mind = major mp drain...hard to keep up mp in solo/groups/or even raids...HE are the grunt...high weight limit...high hp....just tank...best for Dungeon PvE with snipe and can use pain in combination with blessing to keep up MP surprisingly well while dealing out an almost constant stream of damage.

I would definitely chose PR if i had the option but as light elf cant subclass it 8( best damage and efficiency in field PvE and crazy strong crits in PvP and raids...they just take more finesse to play than HE because of their lack of CON.

Facesit · 06-19-2007, 06:12 AM

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You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing.

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yea well if he wanted to xp with a dagger I would recomend to roll a dagger class, not an archer.
(normaly I dont even let archers that use a dagger into my partys. a archer using a +0 kris focus (most of them do) with 500 pattack in a pagans group is more then useless.

same reson why daggerusers rarely get into archer partys.

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lol a th with a +0 kris in pagans is just as useless.Also considering lot of daggers go -str an archer usually go +str a pr or he has more dps than a dagger at same lvl gear... hex is 30% more dps for the hole party and pr can keep VS and accuracy up and hex constantly because he has BTM and you don't.

Facesit · 06-19-2007, 06:13 AM

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Silver Rangers shoot arrows fastest of all 3 Archer classes.
They have the fastest run speed also.

I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision.

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no they don't HE has more attack speed.

The good thing with hex is you can deal easy with very strong mobs. With rechargers and good support a pr can solo L room in IT, good xp...

And well there s a reason why HE is the FOTM, other archers have runspeed but HE has everything else better.

Ryath · 06-19-2007, 07:05 AM

After getting all these replies, I have decided I'm going to go Hawkeye. It seems that they're the best in a lot of things, and it just doesn't seem that my Silver Ranger that I wanted will even come close to matching up to a Hawkeye. Thank you all very much for your advice X.^

Heartfang · 06-20-2007, 07:26 AM

good choice

SilverSurfer1 · 06-21-2007, 01:17 AM

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Facesit wrote: "no they don't HE has more attack speed. "

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AshaneFB wrote: "Hawkeye's shoot faster then Silver Rangers actually, by a few points due to the passive, assuming all things equal."

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Sorry guys you wrong. Silver Rangers have the fastest attack speed with Rapid Fire Skill. Awesome skill only Silver Rangers have!

06-17-2007, 11:35 AM	#1
Ryath Goblin Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Swanton Vermont, USA Posts: 44	Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? What's the general concensus on which class is better? I know that Dark Elves have a higher p.atk, but I also know that Elves have higher evasion and faster attack speed....so.....what's your thoughts? Also, I know that Phantom Rangers get power break and hex and all that, but I have a Blade Dancer, and I only use those skills VERY rarely... Thanks X.^ __________________ All alone he turns to stone, while holding his breath half to death. Terrified of what's inside, he crawls like a worm from the bird.

06-17-2007, 11:38 AM	#2
Dorian Thunder Wyrm Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 301	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? PR = PVP, they have highest Atk, but Lowest Con SR = PVE have low Con highest run speed and an solo selfbuffed If u want an UberArcher try Hawkey. HE haves all 2 options from PR and SR.

06-17-2007, 12:51 PM	#3
Maitreya Remnant Diabolist Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kain Posts: 1,521	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? Out of the 2, PR is better imo. SR isn't bad, and is really nice if you like to PK people and run away... I would choose PR over SR. I would choose HE over both. The reason I say PR, is because in end game pvp, you crit super hard! To my limited understanding that is. __________________ People will only do what is expected of them, so expect great things! Mystic Muse/Destroyer

06-17-2007, 01:34 PM	#4
Heartfang Imperial Warlord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,379	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? HE. why isent that class on your archer list? about hex...it should be used..a lot...its a HUGE bost to damage... anyway, archer has no use for hex tho, at least not in pve...mobs should be dead befor they come even close to you. my choice of archer would be HE>SR>PR. why? simple. HE is most balanced. SR cuz i like lightelfs, they are fast and shoot fast. PR....umm...I dont like the looks of darkelfs lol...wouldent play it even if they where the best __________________ Bartz: 7X Treasure Hunter/ 6X Hawkeye sub/ 3X Wolf

06-17-2007, 02:23 PM	#5
Sigge Thunder Wyrm Join Date: May 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 255	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing. __________________ Sigge - Temple Knight

06-17-2007, 02:26 PM	#6
SinPalabras Beleth's Slave Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacific Coast Lair Posts: 2,711	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] about hex...it should be used..a lot...its a HUGE boost to damage... [/ QUOTE ] Nifty to have when faced with bow resist or multi-HP types. But hopefully most PR's have found better mob choices than that. [ QUOTE ] my choice of archer would be HE>SR>PR. [/ QUOTE ] This is a tough one. Both the PR and HE hit hard. The SR has speed and crits, but with buffs, the HE and PR crit just enough to make it a nonissue. Between the HE and the PR, the key difference is mindset. With an HE, I can go into a grind session knowing that I can aggro multiple mobs and not worry too much if I get hit, even with mobs that stun, para, shock, etc.. With the PR, it's kill them before they get to you and don't get hit under any circumstances, ESPECIALLY by mobs that stun, para, shock, etc. I enjoy playing my PR more at B grade than I did the HE. But when I'm bored with playing the PR, I can log the HE without it feeling like I'm playing the same toon. [ QUOTE ] PR....umm...I dont like the looks of darkelfs lol...wouldent play it even if they where the best [/ QUOTE ] I love DE's, followed by female elves, and human fighters. Who knew it could be so easy to look so good! __________________ "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

06-17-2007, 03:48 PM	#7
Heartfang Imperial Warlord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,379	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing. [/ QUOTE ] yea well if he wanted to xp with a dagger I would recomend to roll a dagger class, not an archer. (normaly I dont even let archers that use a dagger into my partys. a archer using a +0 kris focus (most of them do) with 500 pattack in a pagans group is more then useless. same reson why daggerusers rarely get into archer partys. __________________ Bartz: 7X Treasure Hunter/ 6X Hawkeye sub/ 3X Wolf

06-17-2007, 04:45 PM	#8
SinPalabras Beleth's Slave Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacific Coast Lair Posts: 2,711	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing. [/ QUOTE ] yea well if he wanted to xp with a dagger I would recomend to roll a dagger class, not an archer. (normaly I dont even let archers that use a dagger into my partys. a archer using a +0 kris focus (most of them do) with 500 pattack in a pagans group is more then useless. same reson why daggerusers rarely get into archer partys. [/ QUOTE ] At C grade, I can see a PR using a focus dagger to level. At B grade, they really should get a BOP and not look back. Ranged attackers really come into their own starting at B grade. __________________ "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."

06-17-2007, 05:40 PM	#9
Heartfang Imperial Warlord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,379	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? yes Im not saying daggers are not an option, and at lower levels (Cgrade) its a lot better then a Bow. but, Cgrade lasted 1,5 days for my HE (I used a pole leveling, solo) its not realy worth rolling a PR, just to be able to use a dagger and hex for a feew days at Cgrade :P Sure, Bgrade still works, i wish sometimes I have a kris focus so I can just get into a cata group for some easy xp :/ __________________ Bartz: 7X Treasure Hunter/ 6X Hawkeye sub/ 3X Wolf

06-17-2007, 10:26 PM	#10
Sigge Thunder Wyrm Join Date: May 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 255	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? I thought it was popular to skip bow until the higher levels, so hex would be nice. But roll a human rogue -> whatever. Seems like they are everywhere lol __________________ Sigge - Temple Knight

06-18-2007, 07:19 AM	#11
SilverSurfer1 Tainted Zombie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hindemith Posts: 69	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? Silver Rangers shoot arrows fastest of all 3 Archer classes. They have the fastest run speed also. I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision. __________________ Moonlight Sentinel 7x Sorcerer Sub 7x

06-18-2007, 09:05 AM	#12
SpectresWill Grave Predator Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 441	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision. [/ QUOTE ] agreed. __________________ Phoenix: Daeva 7X Moonlight Titan Warlock/ Junnie 7x Cardinal/ FiatLux 7x Doomcryer/ Armina 7x Sws/ Pru Baby BD

06-18-2007, 09:44 AM	#13
AshaneFB Antharas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bartz Posts: 4,144	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] Silver Rangers shoot arrows fastest of all 3 Archer classes. They have the fastest run speed also. I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision. [/ QUOTE ] Hawkeye's shoot faster then Silver Rangers actually, by a few points due to the passive, assuming all things equal. I'd go PR. There really isnt much place for SR's in "today's" archer world. Every Archer hits the crit cap with proper buffs, so that kills one huge advantage a SR had. They crit the worst in strength. They have a decent active later on, but cuts your range and puts you into Glad/etc range which isnt good, etc. The run speed is always a advantage, but I really cant remember the last time I ran from anyway, except another HE and at that point the HE has dash and is going to catch you anyway. __________________ Foxie Hawkeye / SwordSinger Leader- Flameborne

06-18-2007, 09:53 AM	#14
Heartfang Imperial Warlord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,379	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? again... rolling an PR just to be able to use a dagger and hex untill higher lvls are stupd. isent it better to roll the archer that you want to play at higher lvls? well if you like hex on a archer, go for pr. __________________ Bartz: 7X Treasure Hunter/ 6X Hawkeye sub/ 3X Wolf

06-19-2007, 12:04 AM	#15
flcon Grave Predator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 481	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? SR shoot too fast and dont get body to mind = major mp drain...hard to keep up mp in solo/groups/or even raids...HE are the grunt...high weight limit...high hp....just tank...best for Dungeon PvE with snipe and can use pain in combination with blessing to keep up MP surprisingly well while dealing out an almost constant stream of damage. I would definitely chose PR if i had the option but as light elf cant subclass it 8( best damage and efficiency in field PvE and crazy strong crits in PvP and raids...they just take more finesse to play than HE because of their lack of CON.

06-19-2007, 06:12 AM	#16
Facesit Purgatory Shadow Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 611	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can use hex plenty as a PR if you exp with a dagger. The reason why BDs rarely get to use it, is because of the heavy mp drain from dancing. [/ QUOTE ] yea well if he wanted to xp with a dagger I would recomend to roll a dagger class, not an archer. (normaly I dont even let archers that use a dagger into my partys. a archer using a +0 kris focus (most of them do) with 500 pattack in a pagans group is more then useless. same reson why daggerusers rarely get into archer partys. [/ QUOTE ] lol a th with a +0 kris in pagans is just as useless.Also considering lot of daggers go -str an archer usually go +str a pr or he has more dps than a dagger at same lvl gear... hex is 30% more dps for the hole party and pr can keep VS and accuracy up and hex constantly because he has BTM and you don't. __________________ Facesit Gustin 78 ghost sentinel ~ 78 adventurer Incubina Teon necromancer ChocoPuffs Teon 78 ghost sentinel ~ 79 adventurer ~Synergy

06-19-2007, 06:13 AM	#17
Facesit Purgatory Shadow Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 611	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] Silver Rangers shoot arrows fastest of all 3 Archer classes. They have the fastest run speed also. I would choose SR again If I had the choice, but its your decision. [/ QUOTE ] no they don't HE has more attack speed. The good thing with hex is you can deal easy with very strong mobs. With rechargers and good support a pr can solo L room in IT, good xp... And well there s a reason why HE is the FOTM, other archers have runspeed but HE has everything else better. __________________ Facesit Gustin 78 ghost sentinel ~ 78 adventurer Incubina Teon necromancer ChocoPuffs Teon 78 ghost sentinel ~ 79 adventurer ~Synergy

06-19-2007, 07:05 AM	#18
Ryath Goblin Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Swanton Vermont, USA Posts: 44	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? After getting all these replies, I have decided I'm going to go Hawkeye. It seems that they're the best in a lot of things, and it just doesn't seem that my Silver Ranger that I wanted will even come close to matching up to a Hawkeye. Thank you all very much for your advice X.^ __________________ All alone he turns to stone, while holding his breath half to death. Terrified of what's inside, he crawls like a worm from the bird.

06-20-2007, 07:26 AM	#19
Heartfang Imperial Warlord Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,379	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? good choice __________________ Bartz: 7X Treasure Hunter/ 6X Hawkeye sub/ 3X Wolf

06-21-2007, 01:17 AM	#20
SilverSurfer1 Tainted Zombie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hindemith Posts: 69	Re: Silver Ranger? or Phantom Ranger? [ QUOTE ] Facesit wrote: "no they don't HE has more attack speed. " [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] AshaneFB wrote: "Hawkeye's shoot faster then Silver Rangers actually, by a few points due to the passive, assuming all things equal." [/ QUOTE ] Sorry guys you wrong. Silver Rangers have the fastest attack speed with Rapid Fire Skill. Awesome skill only Silver Rangers have! __________________ Moonlight Sentinel 7x Sorcerer Sub 7x

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