Angry EVE player

[Venaja]

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cf...966&bhcp=1

Posted source code on piratebay

[Sovrath]

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http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cf...966&bhcp=1

Posted source code on piratebay

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I just love it that some people feel so entitled that they consider this an appropriate response to their issues with the game. This guy needs therapy. now.

[MrTeedOff]

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http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cf...966&bhcp=1

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I just love it that some people feel so entitled that they consider this an appropriate response to their issues with the game. This guy needs therapy. now.

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True, his approach was probably not the best. His concerns, however, were valid. I can certainly understand how ****** off he probably was. You could almost do a "find and replace" of EVE with L2 and it would be believable.

[Judas]

the concerns were valid....

and the method in which he started it all was also probably a unique route i would go as well if the support system wasn't working at all either..

nothing's better then talking as close if not directly to the "man"....

[Moneta]

I didn't understand much on that chat but there is a link in the thread that explains it: here

It's just drama they are used to it imho.

[Sovrath]

Heck, even if his complaints are not only vaid but spot on gospel, his reaction was firmly set in the realm of a kid throwing a temper tantrum for not getting what he wanted.

It is my humble opinion that if you don't like the service for something you are paying for you simply cancel that service and don't give it a good review to people who ask until such time as there is evidence that the service has been improved.

I don't go blowing up the dmv or hacking their systems because I hate the lines!

[Judas]

no... but sometimes you gotta destroy something to fix it...

[washtak]

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Also, it seems that CCP have started to seed the torrent themselves in order to see the IP addresses of those who download it, then ban the addresses from the game.

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Ok, they deserved it. Banning IPs... they are big zeros in security.

[Sovrath]

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no... but sometimes you gotta destroy something to fix it...

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I think that it isn't necessary to do that literally. Especially to somethign that isn't your property.

if one finds that there is something in their life that needs a complete "do over" then feel free.

But I find it very unhealthy to look at another's life or business and take it upon myself to trash everything do to my stipulations on what is "good".

[Judas]

theres a line that is crossed... where a companies is no longer owned by a single person... or is.. but not fully operated by one.

Policies/berocrats and such to fly apart the seems... and usually the only way to resolve it in the end is go through all the reasonable systems before coming to the conclusion that nothing will solve it other then to start stirring the pot

[Sovrath]

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theres a line that is crossed... where a companies is no longer owned by a single person... or is.. but not fully operated by one.

Policies/berocrats and such to fly apart the seems... and usually the only way to resolve it in the end is go through all the reasonable systems before coming to the conclusion that nothing will solve it other then to start stirring the pot

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uh, no. Sorry.

The only person/people who own the company are either the "owner(s)" or the stockholders.

In no way is their ever a legal case that I have seen where a customer can resort to such tactics.

There is a difference between stirring the pot and actual sabotage. I'm all for stirring the pot if it needs to be stirred. I'm not for ranting and railing and then causing harm because I don't get my way. Not when it comes to something that I have no legal rights to.

If they crash and burn because of their own incompetance then so be it.

That's like saying my cable provider is horrible and so, because they don't listen to my (customer) suggestions I go and expose all their internal information and systems to the public.

It's just insane.

[washtak]

Oh BTW, it's an interresting answer to the global no-law-land where MMORPG publishers are. There are no law about abusive contract and what they may ask to accept and what they can't. Currently, MMORPGs publishers are basically saying "Pay and stay silent or go away". In fact they can do whatever they want, if you feel they've broken their part of the contract, you're asked to terminate it and live with that.
I think that's a good answer to show that players are more than a subscription fee that comes or goes.

[Judas]

no there is no legal case where a tatic like that has ever been granted...


but i do beleive the public should be fully aware of the issues and in the end.. the public should have the power...

[MrTeedOff]

I think that one of the main problems with the approach this guy is taking is that he is not first offering to help. If he truely knows what is wrong with the code and really wants it to be fixed then he should be willing to step up and help fix it.

[Sovrath]

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but i do beleive the public should be fully aware of the issues and in the end.. the public should have the power...

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Yes, exactly, the power to not subscribe anymore. I pretty much think that is where it ends. Unless you lean slightly toward socialism in which case I can't agree with you at all as I am not a socialist.

But even if the "public" had the power. He is not the public. He is an individual and doesn't speak for the public. There was no quorum. No "public" decision was made.

He is basically a rogue man/boy who took it upon himself to do something that was not his to do. He essentially threw a temper tantrum.

[Judas]

the situation is still unknown.. we don't even know if this even occurred for sure or not..

for all we know it was a hacker making up a story..

or it was someone that knew stuff.. played the game, saw the problems.. tried normal methods in which to help, was kicked in the face for it and ignored... and then proceeded to continueally exculate his attempts are making it well known that there are problems... and that they haven't really done anything to fix it.

at times i even get frustrated with the ncsoft l2 petitions systems.

but in my case, i haven't found anything worth mentioning for a security threat..

where as he's found something pretty significant, possibly large enough that someone could easily hack in and steal people information.. including CC info...

at which point, i'd rather have the whole system torn down due to thier idiocy to ignore the problem and put thier entire customer base at risk, and then continueing to NOT inform them of the problem.

From what i read, he was ASK for the developers to make a official annoucement about the issues and that they were fixing it, instead they refused.... and well..... the result is "possibly" known if those circumstances occured

[Theegs]

I know nothing about code.

Does it sound like he knew what he was talking about? I'm just curious.

[DrakkosIV]

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no... but sometimes you gotta destroy something to fix it...

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This is a slippery slope world view. Basically "the ends justify the means".
Be careful advocating this. The most powerful forces in our world are actually governments. If they start acting this way we are more screwed as individuals than we are currently.

From what I can see from this poster he resorted to extortion and intimidation.
And he did so from his own, narcissistic point of view.
I'm trying to think of a circumstance where this would be okay and I'm not coming up with any.

In order to "get his way--power and control" Stalin killed tens of millions of people. They were in his way. The remaining followed along and pretended that the social misfits Marx and Engels actually had ideas worth following--because the alternative was death.
Sure Stalin is the worst example of this "It's all about me and what I want" mentality. But on a smaller scale sporty here in this post is saying the same thing.

"I want what I want and I must be right so do what I want or else..............and if I'm wrong I sure don't care".

Scary justification in any facet of life imo.

[ManicMonday]

Serious Business.

[washtak]

This is not about socialism. It's rather... the wrong sides of capitalism. You can't say their solution is to inform community and cancel their accounts, simply because there is no similar offer of service. You can argue there are plenty other MMOGs, but they are different. There's no sense in saying "you don't like how NCsoft handle bots in L2, then go play Puzzle Pirates, there isn't such problem".
If there was different distributors for EvE Online, that would make some sense. Like you can choose another garage if the support of your current one is disappointing, you won't have to change your car.

Sometimes "the ends justify the means", but of course not always. Sometimes you need a shock to wake up people. And people can do horrible things while "asleep", so you can't say "if they're happy like that, let them asleep".

You want a pefect and clean domination of a market, you can do it with capitalism, but... that's just forgetting entropy.