Might try BD...

[Nextdoorninja]

I'm new to the game and I was told to come here for info on BDs any tips?

Can someone tell me what their play style is? And what moves they get, ect

[Megatron]

BD.. that's a class that can be a bit of everything.

BDs are mainly hybrids that have dances, which improve personal/party stats. One of the most requested class in clans(if not THE most).

They can solo easily, be small tanks, deal some nice damage, keep party alive with dances.

Negative sides:
- Paper skin, meaning that they die to easily
- Avg damage + good att.spd = high shot consumption.
- High GHP consumption.
- Good gear is expensive.

Positive sides:
- Can solo 4-5 lvl higher mobs quite easily thanks to dances and debuffs
- Fury, Con, VR, Medusa dances.
- Look very cool with dual swords, unlike the Gladiator.
- A BD with dances and a bow.. can be quite deadly.

To play a BD.. you have to be constantly paying attention to dances/party/your HP.

Anything else.. just ask.

Some shots:

[Nextdoorninja]

I think that my main choice right now is a bishop, but BD is for sure my secondary pick!

How expensive is the Gear? (And I don't know what normal gear price is either...)

Why does everyone want a BD? Is it for the buffs/debuffs?

[ManicMonday]

Originally Posted by Nextdoorninja

I think that my main choice right now is a bishop, but BD is for sure my secondary pick!

How expensive is the Gear? (And I don't know what normal gear price is either...)

Why does everyone want a BD? Is it for the buffs/debuffs?

Everyone likes BD's once they get the right dances.

http://www.lineage2.com/Knowledge/ra...elf_skill.html

Check the link for what skills you get at what levels.

Gear for them is going to be Heavy Armor and Dual Swords. One semi good/semi bad thing is that with dual swords you never need to get a Soul Crystal to add a special ability (C grade and above) but the downside is that to get the ability activated, you have to enchant them to +4 which means that going +3 -> +4 has a 60% chance of success. Or a 40% chance of failure...4 times in a row.

[Sigge]

Bladedancer buffs stack on top of the similar buffs from buffers.

With a 58 BD, as melee, you hit harder, critical hit for more and attack faster. More or less the same for casters with a BD.

The bladedancer is absolutely the most wanted class in the game. Cause they are lucky enough that their support skills can't really be "boxed" but some idle out of party buffer. And their buffs don't work outside a party.

If only the other buff classes enjoyed such luxury...

[FalseGod]

Originally Posted by Megatron

BD.. that's a class that can be a bit of everything.

BDs are mainly hybrids that have dances, which improve personal/party stats. One of the most requested class in clans(if not THE most).

They can solo easily, be small tanks, deal some nice damage, keep party alive with dances.

Negative sides:
- Paper skin, meaning that they die to easily
- Avg damage + good att.spd = high shot consumption.
- High GHP consumption.
- Good gear is expensive.

Positive sides:
- Can solo 4-5 lvl higher mobs quite easily thanks to dances and debuffs
- Fury, Con, VR, Medusa dances.
- Look very cool with dual swords, unlike the Gladiator.
- A BD with dances and a bow.. can be quite deadly.

To play a BD.. you have to be constantly paying attention to dances/party/your HP.

Anything else.. just ask.

i do agree with most points u posted but then again some are just a given.

-any good gear is gonna be expensive gear. doesnt matter what class you are. even now adays dc robes for mages isnt best gear anymore considering without the right resist on armors your gonna get 1 or 2 shotted by most classes.

-the paper skin comment is another one i dont agree with. unless u got the ultimate pve setup with -9 con and another -2 con from your armor bonus then you can expect to die from anything. it wouldnt just limit bd's to this. my ic + s duals give me about 9k hp with btb and prophecy. with song of vitality its 10k+. with no zerk i get about 1800 pdef and 1200+ mdef. you tell me thats paper skin >.>

[Megatron]

Originally Posted by FalseGod

i do agree with most points u posted but then again some are just a given.

-any good gear is gonna be expensive gear. doesnt matter what class you are. even now adays dc robes for mages isnt best gear anymore considering without the right resist on armors your gonna get 1 or 2 shotted by most classes.

If you select a SOM +4 with Acumen.. you won't spend half of Tallum*Damascus +4 price... True.. one is Top A grade(Duals) but the other isn't. DC Robe set +4/+3 for my sub cost me 190Mil.. while I sold my old Tallum Heavy +0 for 275Mil.

Originally Posted by FalseGod

-the paper skin comment is another one i dont agree with. unless u got the ultimate pve setup with -9 con and another -2 con from your armor bonus then you can expect to die from anything. it wouldnt just limit bd's to this. my ic + s duals give me about 9k hp with btb and prophecy. with song of vitality its 10k+. with no zerk i get about 1800 pdef and 1200+ mdef. you tell me thats paper skin >.>

I have -4 CON from Dyes and -2 from Tallum. I don't have enough money for IC. If you compare heavy armor users.. all at the same lvl.. and gear.. BD will be the most complete one.. but the easiest to kill. That's why I call it paper skin. He's strong in overall.. but can't resist much damage. A Gladiator, that is about the same lvl and gear as I am.. with exactly the same buffs.. had alot(don't remember how much actually) more HP/CP then I had... yes.. compared to him I was paper skin. I got 4 shotted.. he lasted at least 7.

How else would you also explain, the possibility of my 67 SH sub kill a 9 lvl higher SD in a 1v1? Ok.. he might be a noob.. but even so.. the damage I dealt him was too much for the lvl diff.

[FalseGod]

Originally Posted by Megatron

If you select a SOM +4 with Acumen.. you won't spend half of Tallum*Damascus +4 price... True.. one is Top A grade(Duals) but the other isn't. DC Robe set +4/+3 for my sub cost me 190Mil.. while I sold my old Tallum Heavy +0 for 275Mil.

which of the 2 weps isnt top A? really am i missing something?
the tallum heavy is because of supply and demand. it also might not be top gear but its best stats making it the best armor to wear. so it being best armor to wear its gonna cost more even tho its not top of its grade.

Originally Posted by Megatron

I have -4 CON from Dyes and -2 from Tallum. I don't have enough money for IC. If you compare heavy armor users.. all at the same lvl.. and gear.. BD will be the most complete one.. but the easiest to kill. That's why I call it paper skin. He's strong in overall.. but can't resist much damage. A Gladiator, that is about the same lvl and gear as I am.. with exactly the same buffs.. had alot(don't remember how much actually) more HP/CP then I had... yes.. compared to him I was paper skin. I got 4 shotted.. he lasted at least 7.

How else would you also explain, the possibility of my 67 SH sub kill a 9 lvl higher SD in a 1v1? Ok.. he might be a noob.. but even so.. the damage I dealt him was too much for the lvl diff.

wow... why on earth are u comparing a glad and a bd. first of all humans already have more con making them the higher hp class. second, potions exist in pvp. so unless ur a fool and going out without them there shouldnt be a reason why a glad is killing u. bow crits > glad skills. they are a slow class, are extremely mp dependent, have crap skill reuse time on skills. glads dont have a ud skill up until 79 so bds have yet another advantage. glads might have more hp/cp but it doesnt make them the better fighter.
i havent fought a glad in a while just cus theres barely any but the ones i have i havent lost to because of the reasons above.

k now to explain the sh sub... you are comparing one of the most over powered classes in the game. also the bd was probably a noob running around in the idiotic -9 con setup and ****** jewels. also who knew what buffs he had compared to urs.
try doing that to an experienced bd and youll get different results.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Megatron

I have -4 CON from Dyes and -2 from Tallum. I don't have enough money for IC. If you compare heavy armor users.. all at the same lvl.. and gear.. BD will be the most complete one.. but the easiest to kill. That's why I call it paper skin. He's strong in overall.. but can't resist much damage. A Gladiator, that is about the same lvl and gear as I am.. with exactly the same buffs.. had alot(don't remember how much actually) more HP/CP then I had... yes.. compared to him I was paper skin. I got 4 shotted.. he lasted at least 7.

How else would you also explain, the possibility of my 67 SH sub kill a 9 lvl higher SD in a 1v1? Ok.. he might be a noob.. but even so.. the damage I dealt him was too much for the lvl diff.

a gladi is a pure DD, BD is a support class and you got roughly the same pdef as most of the melee fighters and more mdef than most of them not to mention the crit reduction you get.

you say you got 4 shot on your BD...I got 3 shot by a eva's saint on my lvl 77 WS that has more mdef and hp/cp than a gladi.

compare the BD with a WS/BH:
patk: BD
pdef: WS/BH (with crit reduction it's BD on top)
mdef: BD
atk speed: BD
crit rate: BD
speed: BD
HP/CP: BH/WS

you have no reason to complain

[Megatron]

Originally Posted by FalseGod

which of the 2 weps isnt top A? really am i missing something?
the tallum heavy is because of supply and demand. it also might not be top gear but its best stats making it the best armor to wear. so it being best armor to wear its gonna cost more even tho its not top of its grade.

SOM isn't top A. Daimon or Branch are. Tal*Damascus are top A.

Originally Posted by FalseGod

wow... why on earth are u comparing a glad and a bd. first of all humans already have more con making them the higher hp class. second, potions exist in pvp. so unless ur a fool and going out without them there shouldnt be a reason why a glad is killing u. bow crits > glad skills. they are a slow class, are extremely mp dependent, have crap skill reuse time on skills. glads dont have a ud skill up until 79 so bds have yet another advantage. glads might have more hp/cp but it doesnt make them the better fighter.
i havent fought a glad in a while just cus theres barely any but the ones i have i havent lost to because of the reasons above.

I compared to Glad because it's the last comparison I did. Obviously I take CP/GCP/QHP/Elixirs to PVP.. it would be stupid not to take them. Problem is, I rarely have time to recover half of my CP when facing a nuker or an archer. Hitting UD will only "prolong the inevitable". I can hack away for a lot of time a Glad.. but even with his stupid amount of CP/HP.. I'll end my pots before he's midway his CP.. Sting, Hex, PB, Arrest don't usually land... and I usually get emp + bssa when on BD.

Originally Posted by FalseGod

k now to explain the sh sub... you are comparing one of the most over powered classes in the game. also the bd was probably a noob running around in the idiotic -9 con setup and ****** jewels. also who knew what buffs he had compared to urs.
try doing that to an experienced bd and youll get different results.

The BD in question belongs to a big clan that has 78+ buffers in almost all towns. This PVP was in FOD.. so he probably went there fully buffed. I had 63SE and 58PP buffs. About experienced BDs.. I rarely can get to one. SH is too low for high-end pvp. Maybe one day I'll find one around.

As for some underlvl and undergeared pvp.. check these two shots:

79 Dagger in Full S + Boss Jewels:


He wasted all his MP.. then he was mine. Bad MP management FTW.

73 HE with A boss jewels:


Complained that he got out of CP... not even Sniffer saved him. This guy is an experience PVPer, so.. calling him a noob won't be true.

Yeah.. BDs can kill.. ^^

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

a gladi is a pure DD, BD is a support class and you got roughly the same pdef as most of the melee fighters and more mdef than most of them not to mention the crit reduction you get.

you say you got 4 shot on your BD...I got 3 shot by a eva's saint on my lvl 77 WS that has more mdef and hp/cp than a gladi.

compare the BD with a WS/BH:
patk: BD
pdef: WS/BH (with crit reduction it's BD on top)
mdef: BD
atk speed: BD
crit rate: BD
speed: BD
HP/CP: BH/WS

you have no reason to complain

I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that BDs die too easily, when compared to other heavy armor users.

Only Dye I have is +4STR-4CON. Thinking of adding +MEN dyes.. but I don't want to lose Cast or m.att.

[Zylo]

Ermm is that true that Bd will became somehow useless in gracia final , like prophets, i have heard some rumours , but i dont believe them

[Retribution]

Originally Posted by Zylo

Ermm is that true that Bd will became somehow useless in gracia final , like prophets, i have heard some rumours , but i dont believe them

What exactly are they saying that makes you think that?

[Zylo]

BD's main function in a party would be ofc dancing fire, fury, concentration dances. Possibly some supplementary dances in the case of heavy cost-enchanting dances and/or free buffslots, like warrior, alignment, aqua guard, or whatever ppl find useful.

It's secondary role would be assisting targets with hex and bow hits, BREZing people, and the occasional medusa/demonic/arrest etc.

However, how do you think these roles will be affected in ct2.3?

Now that skills' delay is fixed (except for songs/unicorn buff/bj), and people deal so much damage with skills due to extreme-element weapons and skill enchanting for element, what good is fury except for archers, or daggers oom? What's the point of hexing if everyone is 1-2 shot anyway? Or, what's the point in dealing loldamage seeing as BDs don't have any real damage skills, having to rely on normal shots?

What's the point in having lolUD which can't be enchanted for movement, nor really helps much at endgame? Or trying to be a "heavy support" with a class without armor masteries beyond lv36?

Swordsingers are limited in quite the same way, but they get some great skills at 76+, becoming better and better PARTY ASSISTING fighters. BDs get what... dance of zerk at ******* 83? WOWzers. Kiss my ***.

thats what i read

[QueenDiamond]

Gracia BD = PP

Confirmed.

[FalseGod]

lol sounded like a copy/paste job from that kid crying in that bleh site or w/e. bd's wont be useless. they always have and always will have a role in a pvp party and being a secondary assist and dd is always a plus while giving out vital dances to the party.

[Rohirrim]

Might try BD... 01-22-2009 09:10 PM qq dwarf is worse than bd

I know dwarf is worse than BD and a dwarf isn't even a support class like BD/SwS are so you should stop QQing that you don't get anything usefull. When was the last time BH got something usefull or the WS before the last patch?
In CT2.3 they will turn my lvl 81 Golem Transform skill into a lvl 83 skill and make it last 5min with 1 hour re-use. I will gladly trade it for your lvl 83 dance.

[Megatron]

You have a huge fan list.. :|

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Megatron

You have a huge fan list.. :|

yes I have, but I kinda start to like the small children that makes that kind of comments.