How you feel the new vanguard ?

Ito · 11-21-2009, 01:40 AM

Remember posts saying that vanguard was not sooo good as intended, and most knights choose to go normal stance, good damage if you have good weapon and more defense, shield stun, pets, etc.

Now, does it changed ? I am playing SK, and new skill makes insane damage, plus the new self buff, amazing i think.

Your experience and opinion ?

SL4YER · 11-21-2009, 03:30 AM

It's awesome, I duo room in Imperial Tomb with only EE with stigma (oop dances and cov ofc.). 12k crits with sword and 400 crit rate LOL.
PS : ofc I don't xp on vanguard (no Hex), just transofm to cast Boost Morale and transform back, repeat every 5 min.

AlexisValentine · 11-21-2009, 04:13 AM

Now I fancy giving TK a wee go.

H4T3MONG3R · 11-21-2009, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SL4YER

PS : ofc I don't xp on vanguard (no Hex), just transofm to cast Boost Morale and transform back, repeat every 5 min.

qft

Redneck · 11-21-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SL4YER

It's awesome, I duo room in Imperial Tomb with only EE with stigma (oop dances and cov ofc.). 12k crits with sword and 400 crit rate LOL.
PS : ofc I don't xp on vanguard (no Hex), just transofm to cast Boost Morale and transform back, repeat every 5 min.

Thats not a duo.

Tank+EE+BD+WC=4
2=Duo
4=DuoFail

Redneck · 11-21-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ito

Remember posts saying that vanguard was not sooo good as intended, and most knights choose to go normal stance, good damage if you have good weapon and more defense, shield stun, pets, etc.

Now, does it changed ? I am playing SK, and new skill makes insane damage, plus the new self buff, amazing i think.

Your experience and opinion ?

I've noticed that the Vanguard skills are criting more often

Ito · 11-21-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SL4YER

It's awesome, I duo room in Imperial Tomb with only EE with stigma (oop dances and cov ofc.). 12k crits with sword and 400 crit rate LOL.
PS : ofc I don't xp on vanguard (no Hex), just transofm to cast Boost Morale and transform back, repeat every 5 min.

You saying the same before patch then, vanguard stance is not necesary/worth. If you are SK, using cubics which weaken the enemy, and stigma from buffer... still need to hex mobs ? I want to clarify this: soloing is really faster now ?

Thoriig · 11-21-2009, 10:16 AM

on tk it was crap before and after.

the skills need to much mp to use them the hole fight and the boost morale should run perma on vanguard. 2 min with 5 min reuse is senseless.

Smittie · 11-21-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Redneck

Thats not a duo.

Tank+EE+BD+WC=4
2=Duo
4=DuoFail

Stop trolling, troll.

Ito · 11-21-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Thoriig

on tk it was crap before and after.

the skills need to much mp to use them the hole fight and the boost morale should run perma on vanguard. 2 min with 5 min reuse is senseless.

Usin boost morale all time ? Maybe will be better than any damage dealer soloing, great for us, but not what i expected. Was soloing catas, using the new skill when mobs go down to 50%, and very often i kill then instantly, sometimes 6k+ damage. Honestly, did not try to go on normal stance + hex, dont wanna buy more gear, but i think i am doing really good. Can TK and Pally without wolf keep clean a big cata room ? I am, with some downtime even.

Would be nice drop the cooldown of the boost morale a little bit, and the mp usage from skills.

Rohirrim · 11-21-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thoriig

the skills need to much mp to use them the hole fight and the boost morale should run perma on vanguard. 2 min with 5 min reuse is senseless.

LOL just LOL

Krissa · 11-22-2009, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Smittie

Stop trolling, troll.

Tanks can solo really well with a Titan as a DD box

Redneck · 11-22-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Smittie

Stop trolling, troll.

Make me.

Cabbie · 11-22-2009, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smittie

Stop trolling, troll.

Not really trolling... since the you are not really duo'ing with 2 toons OOP.

sh0ck · 11-22-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cabbie

Not really trolling... since the you are not really duo'ing with 2 toons OOP.

He probably want to say that he is really playing 2 toons. The OOP ones are on auto :-D

Redneck · 11-23-2009, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sh0ck

He probably want to say that he is really playing 2 toons. The OOP ones are on auto :-D

Ah... yes. Sounds more logical now

Galendal · 11-23-2009, 05:24 AM

Boost morale is really nice.
I agree that the duration should be longer, but it is better than nothing.

My observation is about the skills. Maybe they are nice up to lvl 76, but after that since they can't be enchanted for element and don't have element already, their damage is not high enough. If these skills had element or even better could be enchanted for element, then they could prove really useful. MP is also important, so I agree that these skills should cost considerably less mp, so that you can use one skill on each mob.

I don't see how a SK can do 12K crits on any mob, even with dances, CoV, epics, boost morale, crit talisman, hex, judgement, stigma. With Tribunal (-20% melee res) I do up to 4K in SV , where mobs have significantly lower pdef than IT. So ss or it did not happen

I suppose it could max at about 8-9K in IT if you are talking about a lvl 84 SK, with vesper weapon or a masterwork icarus (+crit dmge), 300 holy, +5str tat, cat buff, full epics, cov, crit talisman, boost morale, hex, stigma.

It could be higher than 10K only with a 2handed blunt.

bel · 11-23-2009, 05:34 AM

Troll just Troll !

Xalya · 11-23-2009, 06:13 AM

*sits down in a corner and pouts* tanks starts getting DD power.... wheres mine! im suposed to the a warrior! not a DEFENSIVE MEELE!

Thoriig · 11-23-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Xalya

*sits down in a corner and pouts* tanks starts getting DD power.... wheres mine! im suposed to the a warrior! not a DEFENSIVE MEELE!

ofc u are right. but nc soft dont push our defensiv options.

in times where u get as fullbuffed tank in s grade with full ele 10k+ backstabs.....from s grade dagger......no words about overpowered ?

in other mmoprgs tanks dont make dmg yes, but dagger types wont hurt a plate tank with theire "knife" (except john rambo, who can fight against helicopter with just a knife).

dagger types always against light armor and robes. warrior and knights always take really less dmg from archer types. and mages are tankkiller, thats how it works.

in la2 only 1 is important. peak dmg and dps. so only way for give tanks some love is? push our dmg.

thats the balance.

11-21-2009, 01:40 AM	#1
Ito Thunder Wyrm Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Venezuela Posts: 329	How you feel the new vanguard ? Remember posts saying that vanguard was not sooo good as intended, and most knights choose to go normal stance, good damage if you have good weapon and more defense, shield stun, pets, etc. Now, does it changed ? I am playing SK, and new skill makes insane damage, plus the new self buff, amazing i think. Your experience and opinion ?

11-21-2009, 03:30 AM	#2
SL4YER Dark Lord Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 241	Re: How you feel the new vanguard ? It's awesome, I duo room in Imperial Tomb with only EE with stigma (oop dances and cov ofc.). 12k crits with sword and 400 crit rate LOL. PS : ofc I don't xp on vanguard (no Hex), just transofm to cast Boost Morale and transform back, repeat every 5 min. __________________ Shillien Templar / Storm Screamer / Titan / Spectral Dancer (Chronos)

11-21-2009, 04:13 AM	#3
AlexisValentine Purgatory Shadow Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Throne Posts: 630	Re: How you feel the new vanguard ? Now I fancy giving TK a wee go. __________________ L2 Royalty - Peasants Beware

11-21-2009, 10:16 AM	#8
Thoriig Goblin Lord Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 35	Re: How you feel the new vanguard ? on tk it was crap before and after. the skills need to much mp to use them the hole fight and the boost morale should run perma on vanguard. 2 min with 5 min reuse is senseless.

11-23-2009, 05:24 AM	#17
Galendal Grave Predator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 441	Re: How you feel the new vanguard ? Boost morale is really nice. I agree that the duration should be longer, but it is better than nothing. My observation is about the skills. Maybe they are nice up to lvl 76, but after that since they can't be enchanted for element and don't have element already, their damage is not high enough. If these skills had element or even better could be enchanted for element, then they could prove really useful. MP is also important, so I agree that these skills should cost considerably less mp, so that you can use one skill on each mob. I don't see how a SK can do 12K crits on any mob, even with dances, CoV, epics, boost morale, crit talisman, hex, judgement, stigma. With Tribunal (-20% melee res) I do up to 4K in SV , where mobs have significantly lower pdef than IT. So ss or it did not happen I suppose it could max at about 8-9K in IT if you are talking about a lvl 84 SK, with vesper weapon or a masterwork icarus (+crit dmge), 300 holy, +5str tat, cat buff, full epics, cov, crit talisman, boost morale, hex, stigma. It could be higher than 10K only with a 2handed blunt. __________________ Server: Sayha, Eva's Templar lvl 82/Titan 77/Warlock 56

11-23-2009, 05:34 AM	#18
bel Beleth's Slave Join Date: May 2006 Location: Far beyond Posts: 3,810	Re: How you feel the new vanguard ? Troll just Troll ! __________________ You stay ready - you never have to get ready! No guts, no glory!

11-23-2009, 06:13 AM	#19
Xalya Heathen Knight Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sweden, Husum Posts: 686	Re: How you feel the new vanguard ? sits down in a corner and pouts tanks starts getting DD power.... wheres mine! im suposed to the a warrior! not a DEFENSIVE MEELE! __________________ 85/80/75/78 Maestro/Soultaker/Warlock/Grand Khavatari Cutest dwarf in the world.

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