Did Subs lose their purpose

[ChikariShu]

Frankly said

Sub classes in the past evolved at same rate as main class
it was fun to be able to switch whenever u needed or liked to...

It was funny to see some mages in heavey armor and
some warriors in mages sets

This Charm is dying out because of the levle cap limit of 80 on subs
while mains can go on till 85 and prolly higher

This makes me feel like i lost my time on my sub
certainly if some quests are 82 and u cant take them on sub
and u have to change to u'r main to get it

In the past a sub class was needed to become noblesse
now u can be noble just by territory wars...

I know NC soft tryed to fix this issue a little by just simply
allowing us to split one subclass from a main class


But then u lose all the charm

no more dwarves spinning arround to buff or heal
No more ultra cute warrior human mage females
no more funny male dwarves shooting arrows


this was charming and great
u had to geuss wich class somoene was on
it gave spice and surprises

what i would like to see is the cap of sub or main class eaqualized
raise cap level for subs to 85 please

[Rohirrim]

I see you are lvl 80 on main and 80 on sub so I guess you are suggesting this only because you can't to sub2main.

[ChikariShu]

Not really
i can seperate my sub from my main
but the i would lose my cute dwarven healer.
and become a boring "not one of a kind" healer like anny of them


being unique, or being a lil more unique
its needed in this game

Its like taking a lollipop away from a cute lil girl

[stupidity]

its stil the same.. just means u wont play in the 80-85 areas... also just means u gotta sub again..... i have 28 chars... i cant wait till i get my male dorf spell hunter...

[Skinfaxy]

Originally Posted by ChikariShu

Not really
i can seperate my sub from my main
but the i would lose my cute dwarven healer.
and become a boring "not one of a kind" healer like anny of them


being unique, or being a lil more unique
its needed in this game

Its like taking a lollipop away from a cute lil girl

I am not a boring healer

[Eamonn]

With a party there's nothing stopping him from playing in the 80-85 area's as a healer. To answer the question about sub's losing purpose. They just lost uniqueness since all of you 76+ have subs they've gotten dull and boring.

If your not gonna bother with Oly then what's the purpose getting a sub? Your more unique now if you don't sub and go straight to 85.

[Belophan]

why have a lmit there anyway?
there is NO reason at all to have one

remove limit = more money for NCsoft cause once i get 80 i cant do anything else sp i might aswell just quit then..

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Belophan

why have a lmit there anyway?
there is NO reason at all to have one

remove limit = more money for NCsoft cause once i get 80 i cant do anything else sp i might aswell just quit then..

it's less oney for NCSoft because less people will do sub2main service or the new split character service

[ChikariShu]

Originally Posted by Eamonn

With a party there's nothing stopping him from playing in the 80-85 area's as a healer. To answer the question about sub's losing purpose. They just lost uniqueness since all of you 76+ have subs they've gotten dull and boring.

If your not gonna bother with Oly then what's the purpose getting a sub? Your more unique now if you don't sub and go straight to 85.

uhm i want mains AND subs to 85
why stop at main only ?

[ChikariShu]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

it's less oney for NCSoft because less people will do sub2main service or the new split character service

wel lactually manny people want to keep their unique looks
and prefer being a dwarven cardinal or a fighter spellsinger
just cuz it looks greater

just pull up the levle of subs at next chronicle
will have made enough monney on people that cant wait then
there's not a zillion people that want to seperate sub from main
i'd only see some who where already 80 + on main before the
service arrived so they could not switch sub from main
or people that want to level on vitality
or warsmiths and overlords who could not do sub to main

so that service wont be usefull for a large crowd
while pushing a level cap limit will make thousands happy

[AshleyHunter]

Your Sub is set up to add bonuses 2 your main. That's why it's called a sub and not your main. the Last skill you get for your main is at 80 and really you can stop at 75 because the 80 skill is no big deal. so really what is the point going past 80 or even 75 on your sub?

If you like it more then your main then it's time 2 change your sub 2 your main then and just let that main go. Now the ones that can't like WS and OL your pretty much stuck or have 2 reroll.

[ChikariShu]

Originally Posted by Eamonn

With a party there's nothing stopping him from playing in the 80-85 area's as a healer. To answer the question about sub's losing purpose. They just lost uniqueness since all of you 76+ have subs they've gotten dull and boring.

If your not gonna bother with Oly then what's the purpose getting a sub? Your more unique now if you don't sub and go straight to 85.

For now...

next chronicle prolly be main lvl cap raise like it was announced in
the intervieuw on korean sites
meaning lvl 90 max level, so mobs will have levle 100-120
i wanna see u kill a lvl 120 monster with a lvl 80 sps, hello the fails
and no one will party you cuz u will doo too few dammage

and in pvp its even worse, goodbye dammage on a lvl 90 from a lvl 80 sub class

just push the sub level to be same as main level
much more fun that way
Let us chose who WE want to play and not Force us to play mains
if we want to play subs.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by ChikariShu

wel lactually manny people want to keep their unique looks
and prefer being a dwarven cardinal or a fighter spellsinger
just cuz it looks greater

that makes 2 of us. I'm Maestro on main and EE/Destro as sub

[Belophan]

sub didnt give anything to start with, just a timezink

then we got noblesse thru subs

then we got the skills to main thingy

there is no reason whatsoever to keep a limit on subs
u cant use it in olympiad
no limit = more ppl p(l)aying

[ChikariShu]

Originally Posted by AshleyHunter

Your Sub is set up to add bonuses 2 your main. That's why it's called a sub and not your main. the Last skill you get for your main is at 80 and really you can stop at 75 because the 80 skill is no big deal. so really what is the point going past 80 or even 75 on your sub?

If you like it more then your main then it's time 2 change your sub 2 your main then and just let that main go. Now the ones that can't like WS and OL your pretty much stuck or have 2 reroll.

Actually i'm of the kind i want a full toon
not a half one
main 85 , then why not subs 85 ?
if i ditn like My WS , it wouldnt be 80 tbh
golem + 15 rocks

[ChikariShu]

Originally Posted by Belophan

sub didnt give anything to start with, just a timezink

then we got noblesse thru subs

then we got the skills to main thingy

there is no reason whatsoever to keep a limit on subs
u cant use it in olympiad
no limit = more ppl p(l)aying

Exactly, no real bonus from those skills from sub to main
hardly can notice u have annything at all
augments give better stuff then those skills
and the 80 , well, 30 mins and its over, not quite worth using

[SirCrash]

Actually the sub skills you can get from 75 level subs are really useful.. Passive crit is a nice skill to get.. And for AoE chance haste is amazing and seeing as your main is a maestro you can get chance haste and go aoe

Edit: I would agree that there is no point in going past level 75 on sub. Unless you wanna just be unique.
Also subs should be allowed to go past level 80 although I would never attempt to get my subs past 80 anyways.

[ChikariShu]

Originally Posted by SirCrash

Actually the sub skills you can get from 75 level subs are really useful.. Passive crit is a nice skill to get.. And for AoE chance haste is amazing and seeing as your main is a maestro you can get chance haste and go aoe

Edit: I would agree that there is no point in going past level 75 on sub. Unless you wanna just be unique.
Also subs should be allowed to go past level 80 although I would never attempt to get my subs past 80 anyways.

U see nwich subs i have ?
best things i got was passive elemental protection and passive benediction buffs

Main or sub getting high levle is the goal
and we should be FREE to decide wich we level
being cute and unique or funny
is a hard thing to do on a main
and the geussing of , wich class is he /she on actually ?
that's gone too
if u only can do that till 80
its a waste, needs be extended

[SirCrash]

Originally Posted by ChikariShu

U see nwich subs i have ?
best things i got was passive elemental protection and passive benediction buffs

Main or sub getting high levle is the goal
and we should be FREE to decide wich we level
being cute and unique or funny
is a hard thing to do on a main
and the geussing of , wich class is he /she on actually ?
that's gone too
if u only can do that till 80
its a waste, needs be extended

Yes I totally agree with you.
And I didn't really think about the subs you selected so basically you didn't help your main out at all, but sub skills like chance haste, passive crit, and chance counter celestial are very usefull sub skills especially for duelests, tyrants and anyone that AoE's

Offtopic: Is it just me that thinks nukers have really bad choices for sub skills? lol

[gatompalo]

Elements,dynasty made expensive to have good gear on main and sub at the same time.

Ofcourse there are exceptions,like kamaels.