Se vs bish

[CatnipAddict]

Heya i introduced myself in the player question forum but geting some mixed reviews about my question regarding healers.

My game is still patching and like an informed choice before i start to play properly again.
I played in the BETA and old L2 chronicles but i have not played for along long time. I used to play a little bish but i was mostly an SE, at the time there were alot of problems for SE's as being a bit well less then useful as a support class how are they now? does L2 even need healers? i'm guessing BISH still has more powerful healing abilitys but i've always hand a thing for a SE

[vikobe]

yes healer are essential for rb and pvp, with se you can get 4 skills from bishop if you get the level 76, but you cant have balance life and bishop can get 1 skill from se, so you can be a mix se/bishop if you play se, but you need cardinal if you want balance life

[Ryne]

For a while, SE's were THE class everyone wanted. Then thier healing power got nerfed and mostly as of late they have been thought of only as buff bots & rechargers. But newer expansions have brought us wonderful skills, like Stigma of shilien (Decreases resistence to melee attacks), and bless the blood (heals target for a set amount when hit). Now as mentioned you can get 4 linked skills from EE & bish at 76 once you've completed your third class change. If you want you can get all the greater heals...but if people have to choose they will still choose a bish over a se, especially if the bish has balance life. Depending on circumstances se's are fine healers: Small groups, duos (inc. aoe duos), some kama's and castle/fort dungeons.

Basically if you want to just heal, choose bish. If you want to buff, debuff, recharge and heal, choose se. Also i think that se's have the easiest time using inquisitor cuz we have emp Overall there's a lot of se's around, most are people's boxes...a few are live. There are fewer bishes, but bishes are always wanted and you shouldn't have a problem getting parties...you may have more problem getting parties as a se.

[CatnipAddict]

Thanks for all the help

I love being a useful support class so always liked SE for the other abilitys they can offer and it does take awhile to reach the max level.. but wouldn't want to be disguarded once there, but that's along way off and i'm sure if i am able to reach that level i would of found a few friend's who won't mind

May i ask though where EE stand in the batch? i've never really given much attention to them but the world has changed so much im a little out of my depth and they seem to be spoken of alot when the word healer floats about. I see they have major heal and SE does not but little else is different?

[Ryne]

EE's are pretty similar to se's in thier roles...and can be interchangable depending on what skills they take at 76. But ee's still get nice skills, pow at 78 is great for nukers and ee's do have the second best rez's in the game after bish's. Se's only get 20% rez...unless they take mass rez as a linked skill but i think that's only 50% or something. EE's also have the fastest casting speed.

[SupportCharsFTW]

I've never played an EE or SE but I have played a bish and it's AWESOME!!!!!! My clan always invites me to party just to leech so I will be a rly high lvl like them...they only do that for me, not any SE's or EE's cuz EVERYONE wants a bish. It doesn't matter that we're not great buffers we're just so good you WILL be wanted, trust me.

[Kanaeda]

SE is good. if you want to play it, do so. you can sub Bishop later anyway and be both.

[Gyrlie]

personally I have played se since c3 ... and i wouldnt wanna play anything else.

Stuck thru it when they nerfed the heal and the accuracy .... and thanked the NCsoft Gods when they gave us inquiz

Solo'ing is a breeze ... and for pole parties... an SE is THE healer of choice.

Bless the blood is an awesome skill that doesn't pull aggro unlike straight healing does... and when ya get higher up and get Lord of Vampire... that 80% VR is just unbeatable.

[Tamoh]

Originally Posted by Gyrlie

personally I have played se since c3 ... and i wouldnt wanna play anything else.

Stuck thru it when they nerfed the heal and the accuracy .... and thanked the NCsoft Gods when they gave us inquiz

Solo'ing is a breeze ... and for pole parties... an SE is THE healer of choice.

Bless the blood is an awesome skill that doesn't pull aggro unlike straight healing does... and when ya get higher up and get Lord of Vampire... that 80% VR is just unbeatable.

Yeah the pole party thing cracks me up. I've been in party on my SE (SS) in fog with other healers, and there's always the whole 'I'm out of mp' thing from the other healers - but when I'm there by myself and the primary healer, it takes a LONG time for me to run out of mp and I can keep a full 9-man party healed no prob. The thing with an SE, at least for me, is it helps to have a DC there to cover most buffs so you have the mp for healing.

Wulf - I had thought of subbing bish a long time ago, before inquis. even came out, but now with the pomanders and whatnot I'd wonder if subbing bish on an SE would be redundant...? When would you call out one over the other? ...balance life?

Oh and a note about EE/SE, I scanned so I apologize if someone already mentioned this, but another big thing for those two is EE has defensive buffs and SE has offensive.

[Kanaeda]

yea seriously... when Bless the Blood is sufficient for healing (which it often is in AOE parties unless something goes wrong), SE becomes by far the MOST mp efficient healer. I use Bless the Blood as my primary heal basically, and only supplement with major heal as needed. Also if the poler is ok then I switch to putting Bless the Blood on the puller so they get healed WHILE pulling, which is also way useful and mp efficient and SO nice it doesn't take aggro so I can even put it on them while they are running back with mobs on them. Also when things hit the fan and I'm totally out of mp I only cast Bless the Blood and hope people survive with just that and often they do...

On my SE I have +5 wit and no other tats. She's not my main so I probably won't invest in Arcana robes for her, but when she eventually gets 80 I might craft a dynasty robe set just because it's darn hot looking, or even light armor because I'm nuts and it's also darn hot (btw light armor mastery can be enchanted for +mp recovery, but I haven't tested yet how much it gives). But the mp regen and stun resist of Maj robes are enough to get by pretty much forever.

I was going to sub my SE to a Bishop just so I could have a good rez, but I ended up taking Mass Rez skill which is good enough for most situations... 55% with max wit bonus = net 75% rez which is fine, just have to have her in clan. Also it can be enchanted for more % returned, so it should be comparable to EE rez. The other skills I took are clarity, major heal, and pr. PR is just darn fun and along with mas rez allows me to make ninja rezzes with mobs on me like an EE, and also lets me train mobs with my SE if I need to.

Many end game situations, such as high end raids and hellbound xp, require the Balance Life of a Cardinal, so SE cannot replace them for that. But SE is just fine for and sometimes better than EE as healer for many other times.

[TowHo]

Originally Posted by Kanaeda

yea seriously... when Bless the Blood is sufficient for healing (which it often is in AOE parties unless something goes wrong), SE becomes by far the MOST mp efficient healer. I use Bless the Blood as my primary heal basically, and only supplement with major heal as needed. Also if the poler is ok then I switch to putting Bless the Blood on the puller so they get healed WHILE pulling, which is also way useful and mp efficient and SO nice it doesn't take aggro so I can even put it on them while they are running back with mobs on them. Also when things hit the fan and I'm totally out of mp I only cast Bless the Blood and hope people survive with just that and often they do...

On my SE I have +5 wit and no other tats. She's not my main so I probably won't invest in Arcana robes for her, but when she eventually gets 80 I might craft a dynasty robe set just because it's darn hot looking, or even light armor because I'm nuts and it's also darn hot (btw light armor mastery can be enchanted for +mp recovery, but I haven't tested yet how much it gives). But the mp regen and stun resist of Maj robes are enough to get by pretty much forever.

I was going to sub my SE to a Bishop just so I could have a good rez, but I ended up taking Mass Rez skill which is good enough for most situations... 55% with max wit bonus = net 75% rez which is fine, just have to have her in clan. Also it can be enchanted for more % returned, so it should be comparable to EE rez. The other skills I took are clarity, major heal, and pr. PR is just darn fun and along with mas rez allows me to make ninja rezzes with mobs on me like an EE, and also lets me train mobs with my SE if I need to.

Many end game situations, such as high end raids and hellbound xp, require the Balance Life of a Cardinal, so SE cannot replace them for that. But SE is just fine for and sometimes better than EE as healer for many other times.

This response pleases me!

[Dreamer]

You necro'd a 2 years old post

[TowHo]

Originally Posted by Dreamer

You necro'd a 2 years old post

(^.^) yeah......was looking for another thread the person above me had commented on recently, because that thread seems to be non existant, i ended up on this one, but because I played an SE, and a lot of people around me put SE's down, I was al too happy about their response. Had to comment and give kudos (^^,)

[Kanaeda]

rawr?

what pleases me now is that SE gets a real rez, heal, and I think balance life also, so that no one has to be forced to look like frumpy human to heal the best anymore.

and now I'm the hottest healer of all, Kamael !

[TowHo]

Originally Posted by Kanaeda

rawr?

what pleases me now is that SE gets a real rez, heal, and I think balance life also, so that no one has to be forced to look like frumpy human to heal the best anymore.

and now I'm the hottest healer of all, Kamael !

Rawr indeed. My bf still plays and needed a rez, so we changed me to my cardinal sub and did so, since I don't play, I didn't know any better, til I put her back as SE later and saw the higher rez. Almost made me want to come back. Almost.