Eva Templar vs Soulhound

[__Terry__]

Does anyone have any tips on how to win against this class at oly?

[LordRiot]

Your job is simply to die. You have no chance to beat a strong Soul Hound, period. Same way TK's crush almost every other class in the game...

[FidgitTheClown]

soul hounds are a broken class curretly.
come the future, they will be nerfed.

i suppose if you can stun lock them, you have a chance.
but steal divinity is super quick right now.

also...
you can try to get augments which would impair their ability to use the skills... but that's very difficult.

[Spudnik]

i would imagine a passive Reflect Damage augment and running in naked would work pretty well. its a feat on its own to get this augment, but i believe it would be your best shot.

[Zoc]

Give yourself HW to knock out their dark weapon which is enchantable which would decrease their dark attack by a wide range(Not as effective now as it was before freya, but still useful). Skill link Magical backfire, + the **** out of it. Hope it lands, spam heals/mana burns till their MP runs out. Kill.

[Spudnik]

tanks have mana burns now ?

[Smittie]

Nope, unless you get one as an augment.

I think Zoc forgot to read the OP.

[LordRiot]

Originally Posted by Spudnik

i would imagine a passive Reflect Damage augment and running in naked would work pretty well. its a feat on its own to get this augment, but i believe it would be your best shot.

Are you actually serious? Do you know what a Soul hound is? You obviously have no idea is this is what you came up with...

Let me help you people understand... A TK is like a SwS in terms of offensive power. Basically it's weak as hell.

The reason it's so strong in olympiad is that it has some serious defensive measures with which it basically out-lives it's opponent. When they fight a class like a Soul Hound which can take away most of this defence they revert back to being as weak as (or weaker than) a SwS.

Only a weak Soul Hound would have trouble with a TK. Tanks are the strongest, I'd dare say most over-powered olympiad farmers in the game. Only a few classes can beat them. Soul Hound's are designed to specifically counter Tanks.

The strongest tank is the TK. the TK also happens to be the easiest one for a Soul Hound to beat. The synergy is so obvious.

If you didn't know any of this, then you just don't have enough experience in this to actually comment constructively on this topic.

[Zoc]

Sorry >< for some reason i read it and thought it was an EE... ><. That explains why i was thinking he was pretty stupid for not figuring out how to beat it as an EE...

[Spudnik]

Originally Posted by LordRiot

Are you actually serious? Do you know what a Soul hound is? You obviously have no idea is this is what you came up with...

Let me help you people understand... A TK is like a SwS in terms of offensive power. Basically it's weak as hell.

The reason it's so strong in olympiad is that it has some serious defensive measures with which it basically out-lives it's opponent. When they fight a class like a Soul Hound which can take away most of this defence they revert back to being as weak as (or weaker than) a SwS.

Only a weak Soul Hound would have trouble with a TK. Tanks are the strongest, I'd dare say most over-powered olympiad farmers in the game. Only a few classes can beat them. Soul Hound's are designed to specifically counter Tanks.

The strongest tank is the TK. the TK also happens to be the easiest one for a Soul Hound to beat. The synergy is so obvious.

If you didn't know any of this, then you just don't have enough experience in this to actually comment constructively on this topic.

maybe try some reading comprehension first.

i'd imagine

sound like constructive advice?

sound like the voice of experience?

to me it sounds like something to get the ball rolling for people to DISCUSS as was asked for by the OP.

go away or tell why a naked reflect damage wouldnt be best. to me it would be best. why? well let me summarize.

1. it would mean you didnt pick any buffs to use at the start of the fight.

2. it would mean throwing those up after the soulhound had expended several Steals and seen no buffs, and render the soulhound into a state of DERP.

3. macro to equip shield, move in for the stunlock.

4. finish fight

by the way, if you dont have anything nice to say, get out.

[Smittie]

Guys, calm down and stop bashing on Spudnik.

It should be apparent by now that he is merely guessing his way through L2.

One could argue that such a person shouldnt be trying to give advice on a forum.

But I won't do that.

This time

[LordRiot]

Hey, I'm not bashing him in anyway, however his advise is meaningless... Reflect damage is literally the best all round augment for olympiad. The only others that come close are Passive WM, skill refresh, and skill clarity. This ofc is also subject to which class you play but you get the point.

It sounds smart to just shout 'reflect domagezzzz!!! It's imba!!! O_o' but it has no place in the context of the OP's request.
This TK has been around long enough to understand this. I'm sure he is acutely aware of how worthless his information is but it's obvious that Spudnik does not. That's why I offered him an overall explanation of the situation.

Yeah, you want me to explain why 'Reflect domagezzz!!!!!' is useless advice? I say don't waste my friggin' time and go and actually watch a fight between a tank and a Soul hound and the answer will be alarmingly obvious...

[Spudnik]

you are right sir. however i was not aware of how out of place the suggestion was.

threads, however, were never meant to be a "go watch the fight" type of reply.

the OP asks the question likely out of a lack of information sharing by other in-game TK's who may or may not also know their own class. heaven knows how many botted raid tanks there are for the raid farmers - doesnt mean they know anything either.

forums are places to ask and to answer. the OP asked, but nobody was actually offereing anything to use as a sounding board; a stepping stone to an actual solution to a legitimate problem.

i am not claiming to have suggested the solution to his problem. i am claiming to have given an inkling of an idea, to spark some imagination, to get the ball rolling.

if you can think of a solution that is worthwile trying, or if you know the answer to the problem, then sharing the solution is something you can chose to do. knowing that you and the OP do not support my own guesses or ideas for the smelting pot, then i am now no longer responsible for the conclusion of the matter.

if the OP's problem was too much contagion spam or something like that, then A that needs to be outlined in greater detail, and B the person saying my ideas are wrong had best back that up with some tangible numerical or fact based proof.

you can tell me to watch a fight, but you never know, i could find and fraps the one fight between a nooooooooooooooober soul hound that looses in a half a second to a fully geared vesper tk because oh i dunno the sb was in auto attack mode... having followed your advice i could come and post it here for you to see, and just as conclusively prove you wrong.

and you would simply emo rage.


dont waste my friggin time and the op's friggin time telling people to watch Tk fights.

[LordRiot]

I'm not telling the OP to go watch some fights (he's obviously 'doing' the actual fighting himself), I'm telling YOU to go and watch some fights.

As to the OP's request, I've illustrated this already but since 'some' of us can't appreciate the 'subtly', there is so little chance for you to beat a strong Soul Hound, that he might as well just relog. Ofc that's ridiculous but seriously you need to understand how hopeless it is.

If TK's had Shackle, a stun that lasted longer than 3 seconds, even some simple offensively oriented abilities skills (ToD, a summon, Lighting Strike, Drains, Bleed, Poison, hex, etc.) like the other tanks you might be able to 'start' to form a strategy.
Without any of those, or even the raw damage output of the other tanks, you will only ever beat weak Soul Hound's.

Soul Hounds can beat TK's with a B/A grade weapon. It's just a seriously extreme mis-match of a fight. Just like TK's/EE's/Doms can crush other classes.

[Smittie]

Chillax. Just remember Spud guesses alot, and dont really know stuff, and everything should be fine.

I usually check his posts just to get the laugh of the day done

[Krissa]

Originally Posted by Spudnik

go away or tell why a naked reflect damage wouldnt be best.

Does reflect damage augment work against Soulhound skills?

[Spudnik]

dunno. you tell me ?

stranger things have happened.

[Axio]

Originally Posted by LordRiot

If TK's had Shackle, a stun that lasted longer than 3 seconds, even some simple offensively oriented abilities skills (ToD, a summon, Lighting Strike, Drains, Bleed, Poison, hex, etc.) like the other tanks you might be able to 'start' to form a strategy.
Without any of those, or even the raw damage output of the other tanks, you will only ever beat weak Soul Hound's.

Soul Hounds can beat TK's with a B/A grade weapon. It's just a seriously extreme mis-match of a fight. Just like TK's/EE's/Doms can crush other classes.

All the above.... but there is luck when you manage return the sh's nuke with deflect magic. This is only based on luck as you will have to unequip your jewels to kill him at once.
I saw other strategy depinding on gear, oe'd bow bj's and hope you can crit a few times in a row. I have seen it work but having no bj's and oe'd bow myself i only fail on this tactic.

[Ech]

Originally Posted by __Terry__

Does anyone have any tips on how to win against this class at oly?

AQ + Oly Warrior ring + Boost Morale + Bow and hope that you get a couple of crits...
If not it's game over...

[FidgitTheClown]

Reflect damage.
works against physical non skill attacks.
it's similar i guess to vampiric rage but instead of gaining life, you lose it.

the problem with reflect damage with a soul hound is...
soul hound regular attacks are not as powerful as say a doombringer.
so, useing reflect damage won't be as effective as you would think.

however...
beyond that, what makes reflect damage so weak against a soul hound is the fact that unless you manaburn them...
their main attack is magic related.

Soul hounds are Nukers...
if you fight one who comes out and slashes at you with a foil, then you've clearly meet the only one.

soul hound strategy...
steal divinity, flash teleport away, steal divinity, flash away, nuke, nuke, flash away, nuke, nuke...
they also have some nice defensive skills.